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Confirmation of Shelobs proper depiction in Middle-earth: Shadow of War.
Sep 26, 2024 7:13 PM
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Confirmation of Shelobs proper depiction in Middle-earth: Shadow of War.
Randazzo
If you hated hot Shelob, wait until you see what Jeff has done to the place.
DasBeaker
To me it always felt like her human form was some sort of hallucination. Like I’m not going to lie I played the fuck out of that game lol but it was the only way I could make sense of her having a human form.
MantisTobagganMD
But which Rebecca in Ivanhoe? Elizabeth Taylor, one of the most attractive women of the 20th Century? Or Olivia Hussey, one fo the most attractive women of the 20th Century?
gryzlock
Is it me? Or...?
hydrocarbon82
Shelob the...Destroya?
SpeedBeetle
He was a wise man.
majortool
This game is so amazing.
GrenithTheSkald
To be fair, if you replay the game and watch the citscenes carefully, you can tell it's actually an illusion and not a real transformation. I think there is one in particular where the Ring Wraithes attacked her or something and you see her spider form, then she appears as the human briefly to speak with you, but then is the spider again (still further away) and skitters into the darkness. Hinting that every encounter with her human form is just illusions to tempt/fool you.
Racealistic
This game was aight after they got rid of the micro transactions. As someone not well versed in the lore the ending was pretty dope.
FoxPesdassi
We know she could SPEAK, because how else would Gollum have been able to strike a deal with her? But as her deal was DARKNESS (just like her mom), she most likely wouldn't have given a single solitary damn what she LOOKED like. And even if she DID, she almost certainly wouldn't have picked "Arwen Evenstar, after getting off her shift at Hot Topic."
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
Incidentally, Ungoliant is another one of those characters that are juuust that little bit outside of the whole coherence of the canon, like Tom Bombadil. Fascinating.
wylkyn
She had a husband, you know! You know what he's called? Helob. Helob Balls.
davyclam
Attercop.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Was Stoya the one that tried to read a book while riding a Sybian? I mean, who?
jakedafish
She was one of many. It was an entire series I believe.
QueefMalone
Sometimes you just gotta shelob on that thang.
TheEvenPrez
4Chan, a bastion of misogyny, learns about objectification
SeeShark
4chan tolerates a lot of bigotry, but they're not blind. Anyone with eyes can tell this was a dishonest move by the studio with the goal of adding tits to the game.
Pear120
I would've preferred just the spider, honestly. Actually just gimme a mod that replaces her humanoid model with a spider. Keep all dialogue the same.
SpaceMarineWithAnUrgeToPurge
f3n1x187
U sure that aint Mila Jovovich??
Randazzo
Who somehow has aged three minutes in 30 years.
JAPONfan
When playing SoW I've checked when Stoya was the biggest pornstar on pornhub and it matched with SoW development time.
NecroNikolai13
Reminds me that Terra Patrick was in saints row 2 as a fictional version of herself
BroWtfMann
I will read shit.
SirBarnabusMontesforteWinsomTheThird
I'm guessing after this post Pornhub will see an uptick on Stoya clips.
Chalybos
I’m doing my part!
torisenblack
Stoya, you say? Have fun mods. No nudity here, she's just reading a book.
https://youtu.be/PQuT-Xfyk3o?si=Ra349-Ll3cDms35J
Boxingjedi
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
No need to click, I already know and love it.
Well ok, I'm gonna click it anyway.
torisenblack
ExaDeuce
Just watched the Shelob scene from RotK and the whole time was like "ok but she could have just lured Frodo in with them tiddies, what an idiot."
IMarkEverythingISayAsNSFWBecauseModsDontKnowWhatMatureMeans
NSFW
ThaxtonSpringfieldTheThird
I hate to be a wet blanket my brothers and sisters, but Shelob in Shadow of War was voiced and modeled after Pollyanna McIntosh.
https://www.fandom.com/articles/shadow-of-wars-pollyanna-mcintosh-on-shelob-and-family-ties-to-j-r-r-tolkien
BreakfastWithCountChocula
Yes, but did Shelob ever tried to read a book while sitting on a sybian?
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
I don't remember reading anything that said she didn't.
CrisprCAS
StubbDubya
Among other things, she has really nice clavicles.
ILDL
TheDaharMaster
Nice.
Rayplays
Superchief86
I love her so much.
GaryFreakingOak
Emuc64
I'll say it, she's stunning as a redhead.
Ijustsigneduptoupvotethis
What ever happened to her?
Frederf
This
Jattetont
She writes a sex advice column for Slate: https://slate.com/advice/how-to-do-it
distraingotnobrakes
Don’t worry champ, she’s on a big farm upstate and she’s having the time of her life there!
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
She retired. Last I saw, she was doing Vlog type stuff
insegrevious
God I wish I was that vlog
Hexxxxxxxxx
Haha I know stoya. She ordered some custom art from me
GoatsAndGlory
What kind of art?
Hexxxxxxxxx
Im.a glass artist. She wanted a plate with a puc of her and her friend depicted on it to gift to a photographer friend
HonHomes
Shelob is literally just "Female spider" a "lob" is an old word for spider, so a she-lob is just a female spider.
Same reason behind Bilbo singing "Lazy Lod and crazy Cob are weaving webs to bind me" in the hobbit - just "spiders are trying to catch me"
LincLoud
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ireplywithtwinpeaks
Addercop addercop won’t you stop?
CP3oh
Ok, now I need to know the etymological origin of "addercop"
GottaGetThoseSeedsMorty
Cop- Old English for “spider”; Atter- Old English for “poison” or “venom”. Wictionary for the sauce
bontonswanson
YES I've been waiting to share this knowledge! Norwegian for spider is "edderkopp"! Someone smarter can take it from there though
CP3oh
Fascinating. Someone below posted that it can also be derived from "poisonous spider" in Old English, which sounds very similar. Maybe it's something the Vikings brought with them when they invaded and settled and the languages merged.
GottaGetThoseSeedsMorty
I know an ettercap is a spider-like D&D monster
DurendaI
Shadow of Mordor was the most most fun fanfiction I have ever experienced, and I mean that with the utmost joy and candor.
AnonMasterRace
It’s a shame we got not-cave trolls and not-wargs because WB wanted a LOTR game without paying all the bills. They still worked though. Good game.
101Medic
Blink twice if Bezos has a gun on you.
DurendaI
Of course, I think my experience with them games was kinda different from others. Whenever part of the game got too grindy, I just fired up the ol' Cheat Engine. Kept things moving along nicely.
ExaDeuce
No really they were fantastically done. Except the sexy Shelob part anyway. Also the part where she holds her own against most of the Nine but in the film/books we see her get beat by a hobbit.
101Medic
So. Apparently my reading comprehension went right out the window. I definitely thought we were talking about Rings of Power lol. The games were fine, if stretching things.
lbargomancer
The hobbit was armed with a bottle of Silmaril light and a magical sword and used the first to goad her into impaling herself on the second.
xizar
I liked the sexy Shelob...
LtRooney
Well, the Witch King was taken down by Eowyn and Merry, so it seems like otherwise powerful evil being taken down by Hobbits is pretty common.
smashpro1
Although sexy Shelob is from the sequel, Shadow of War.
DurendaI
Apologies, I meant to refer to the whole series.
Randazzo
Which I also found immensely fun, until the endgame. Good campaign, shitty endgame designed to prop up a failed micro-transaction store.
smashpro1
I wouldn't know anything about that, I didn't play it until after the microtransactions were removed.
ArdentSlacker
I played after the micro was removed and... it was still a not-great endgame.
DanSapSan
Nah, disagree. The Wars were fun because you got more from the Nemesis system. Not a lot of narrative going on, true, but making your own story worked really well for me.
MeekrabJones
This pretty much sums up the Rings of Power, too. I mean, it's entertaining to watch and fairly well-written (which is where it stand in contrast to something like the Acolyte), but it deviates drastically from the source material. I can understand certain things like condensing the timeline to fit a series rather than spanning hundreds of years. Why significantly nerf some of the characters? To save on budget instead of showing their power? Doubtful. It's already one of the most expensive 1/
baals
Well written? The writing is complete shit.
KingORedLions
The whole thing is weird. They're doing a second age series but don't have the rights to the material, so have cobbled stuff together based on little snippets from the LOTR trilogy.
HeyMcFly6
I just consider RoP to be just a fanfic loosely based off of Tolkiens works. Tolkien would likely never approve of such bastardization. Amazon fired the Tolkien scholars who didn't agree with the deviation
Valharroth
That's most YA fantasy adaptions over the last few decades. Some are entertaining, some are just bad, but never compare them to the source material. You'll go mad.
MaverickTitan
“Expensive Fanfiction”, just like Disney’s ‘Sequilogy’.
SusiLassi
Rings of Power, well-written? What crack you been smoking? I want some of that.
DrJSJ
I couldn't care less about being accurate to the books, what the show does or doesn't do has no effect on the books. My problem is that every storyline that doesn't directly star Galadriel either sounds like it was written by A,I or like a writer was told to make the best dialogue they could write in the next ten minutes. Why does every character have exactly 1 emotion/character trait?
MeekrabJones
There's a term for this that I'm forgetting. Essentially, fictional characters in long-running IPs become caricatures of themselves over time. For example, the eccentric neighbor in a sitcom may become wackier and weirder from season to season. And with how fast the turnover is for media nowadays, these exaggerated archetypes become more and more common even from a show's inception. Plus the more exaggerated the character's personality, the more "marketable" they become. You can spot the guy 1/
MeekrabJones
with the short temper, the mopey downer, the sultry seductress, or the stoic leader based on a cartoony pose in the advertising material. Not saying I think it's a good thing, quite the opposite. It's just a trend that can be observed. In an age where every piece of media is right at our fingertips even across the globe, nuance is rarer since everyone wants the broadest appeal possible. Appealing to everyone is appealing to no one.
AsheLake
Flanderization. Probably named after Ned Flanders from The Simpsons.
SlyMrFox
Fladerization.
MeekrabJones
That's right, thank you. I remember now: it was coined in reference to Ned Flanders on the Simpsons.
MeekrabJones
shows ever made. Amazon has money to spare. They even brought on Simon Tolkien as a consultant, yet they don't seem to care much for his grandfather's work. Or, at least they cherry pick the parts they wanted to keep and discarded the rest. There will inevitably be those who echo the cry of "the auteur myth" like with George Lucas, but that's different. Tolkien literally wrote it all himself. The only parts he didn't write were gaps filled in by his son after his death using his own notes.
L4dead2
Seems like they are getting back on par with the second season.
Trankia12
With how sensitive fans are to cannon these days (in basically any major franchise), you’d think they’d try harder to actually keep things lore accurate.
leperoutcastunclean
There's a reason they waited until Christopher Tolkien was dead to do this.
MeekrabJones
Reminds me of how the moment Stephen Hillenburg died, Nickelodeon started crapping out a bunch of garbage Spongebob spinoffs. He always said that he never wanted any and kept it as part of his contracts with the company.
ydwyrd
I think the big difference is the Shadow games know they're just silly fanfiction and revel in it, using the characters to justify an action game dressed up in the Peter Jackson movies' hand-me-down clothes. Meanwhile, RoP was hyped as "the story Tolkien never wrote" (which is hella disrespectful considering how much of his work he left unfinished when he died) but gets so many things wrong about what Tolkien *did* write.
vigojones
I really like the acting in it also. Wonderfully cast for the most part
SurpriseOwl
LOTR was done slowly and carefully, and you can keep costs down by planning properly. A lot of the cost of an Amazon show is because they do everything at top speed, then either have to redo some bits because it was made so chaotically, or they dump a loose pile of barely-coherent footage on editors/post-production with similarly insane deadlines. It's similar to some problems I've heard about big game studios.
Swedsman
I was completely on the live and let live train, not my cup of tea but glad it found its audience and happy for those enjoying it. Then they bastardized Gandalfs speech about some living deserve death and some dead deserve life and now I wish the show can go die in a fire. This is one of the most beautiful and poignant moments in all of fiction only to be turned on it's head by some clueless hacks, un-fucking-forvieable!
keyserv
I watched RoP for a bit and got completely lost a couple episodes into the second season. I have absolutely no idea WTF is going on.
Swedsman
You know how originally Gandalf gave the speech to Frodo after he wished Bilbo had killed Gollum so they didn't have to deal with him? How the whole point of the speech is that death as a final judgement shouldn't be given easily as you can't ever undo such an action and it's impossible to know the person might not yet have a chance of redemption? Well, in the RoP Gandlaf and Bombadil are ripping of the Yoda plotline from Episode V with Tom telling Gandalf to go into this magic bs forest and -
Swedsman
retrieve a magic staff that will let him control his powers when Gandalf suddenly gets a vision of Nori being in trouble and wants to go off and rescue her. For some assinal reason Tom says if he leaves he can never come back and finish his wizard training. THEN. He gives the speech, word for word, back to Gandalf... The meaning now with the current context being "Meh, who cares if your friend dies? Many people die so big woop, gotta get on dat sigma grind mentality!"
Sonicschilidogs
Yeah, imo Rings of Power is really good fantasy, just shouldn't have been an "adaptation"
KiwiGameDev
Im pretty confident that’s exactly how the script started in the writers heads, their own story, and then they were told they were given the LOTR IP and to write a show with the limited stuff they had the rights to use, and they just ported what they could and called it
MeekrabJones
For real. The details of the first and second ages of Middle Earth are written so well and have so much potential for one of the best fantasy TV series of all time. Why they decided to sweep some of their best aspects under the rug and smack characters with the nerf stick is beyond me.
Gerokeymaster
Because they don't have the rights to anything other than the appendixes of LOTR. They can't use the Silmarillion or any of his letters or any stuff from Unfinished Tales, etc. And rather than either get those rights, or just *not* make a show without them, they decided to create an entire series based around like 50 pages of what's basically a glorified glossary.
MeekrabJones
True, I forgot about that part. But they didn't even stick to that. I've read all of the appendices, too. Plenty of important details were replaced or removed entirely. I'm all for them filling in gaps when it's needed, but come on, Amazon.