DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
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Source: https://www.insider.com/who-is-tracking-covid-19-mu-variant-evade-vaccine-immunity-2021-9
Edit (x2): As an integral part of our healthcare team fighting this hidden enemy at the front line, the virus mutating has been and still is my greatest fear. If society as a whole would’ve embraced vaccines AND the more wealthier nations supported the less fortunate people abroad we wouldn’t have the Delta variant reaping havoc and that’s just one for example. These are scary time and what’s worse, we have scary people that still refuse to take this virus seriously. Denying that Covid’s a real risk is now one of our greatest dangers.
Remember, we need to not only look out for our loved ones but also our neighbors both here and across the pond.
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Mellayellafella1441
swishasweets
If u look into history, stuff like this lasts for 100-200 years. Expect the same because people are fucking idiotsz
desron23
I’ve already had it (I think delta variant) and have been vaccinated 6 months. I’m just hoping this isn’t true and I can’t get it again
desron23
It wasn’t even bad. Mildly sick for a couple days and felt like normal within 3 of showing symptoms.
thesameasyours
The only reason we dont have 50 million dead already is because we have oxygen, and way better equipment than we did 100 years ago
keykilla
This is why death rates will climb in areas where hospitals are overwhelmed. Odds are bad if you need intubation but youre fucked without it
BrovoFoxtrot
100 years ago? You mean India 3 months ago?
qroniq14
quietwalker
So you're saying we need to take the oxygen away from the anti-maskers & anti-vaccers to fix things. Maybe before they get sick?
TresusIbor
I feel like that's already happened at some point...
AsAHistorian
Well, we also need to support countries who have fewer resources/less money/equipment so that they can be protected. Gotta help us and them.
xj4low
Which is one of the reasons why America First was a bad plan. Can't elevate 1 without helping the others.
Klnwltrnk
We need to refuse them entry into hospitals.
quietwalker
Isn't it easier to just put a plastic bag over their head and restrict their access to oxygen before they show up at the hospital?
DemSumBigAssRidges
Don't worry. After it killed MILLIONS of people completely changing the planet... the black plague eventually evolved to be less harmful.
mormacil
COVID already killed 4,5 million people, 1/5th the way to the total of decades of Black Death.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Well then
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ThePickliestRick
xj4low
Well i'm 42 and in possible need of an organ transplant. I may not live through this nightmare on the horizon. We keep taking steps back.
xj4low
And at this point, I maybe ok with that outcome.
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
Its tough finding peace at times and under normal circumstances so please stay safe, must limit exposure to even the most minimal if at all>
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
My uncle had a liver transplant in Brazil last year, in the middle of it all. He made it but everyone was doubly worried bc CoViD :(
xj4low
That's what i'm looking at. 3 days worth of hospital meetings next week to see if I get approved for the list. Just got word my work (1
xj4low
2) plans to reopen the office in Oct and to stay at home requires form filled out for approval. This is not a ask for approval situation.
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
AI bet and rightfully so. This is some scary shit plain and simple. Glad your uncles doing well. Be safe out there.
otterkrylon
The vaccine was free! People are dying! WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT TAKE?!
xenoplus
Everytime I see “the WHO” I think of the band, same with when I see WHO doctor I think of doctor who
Cavalrysword
The pandemic isn't over anywhere until it is over everywhere. That is the nature of pandemics. Help the third world to help ourselves.
TheFastpaws
The US is third world though.
TRDirty
America is a 3rd world. We just have better internet
oggyswe
Well just look to the flu its not gone yet. Once a virus is out its out. Especially when they have high mutability
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
Absolutely true!
keystotheairlock
If that's the solution, we're all going to die.
Cavalrysword
I've already died twice this year. I don't want to go over my limit.
MiniMartimus
Story time?
Cavalrysword
Double bypass & aortic valve replacement. Died once on the table, again in recovery. Almost 6 months ago.
50m31AW
Congrats on becoming undead & lucky you had necromancers nearby. Now you just need to learn nevromancy & revive someone yourself & then 1/
jet100a
Go collect another life just in case! Hit some bricks and collect some coins! If you see any gold rings pick those up as well!
TheS4ndm4n
There's this one trick to stop covid and global warming at the same time. And we're getting really close to doing it
minqapoc
Shoot idiots and rich people?
TheS4ndm4n
You're not thinking big enough.
minqapoc
...nuke the planet?
TheS4ndm4n
No need. Just keep accepting anti science until a new virus mutation wipes out civilization. Take humanity a few millennia to recover.
tonchandailvert
SocialFox
Why do I feel like I know what the solution is, but at the same time my brain draws a blank when thinking about it.
GMorning
I'm not sure we can call America the third world
BlindGardener
Technically America is a Developing Country in the First world (as it's allied to the US). Second world is allied to Russia/China.
BlindGardener
Third world is unaligned. The levels of development are "Developed", "Developing" and "Undeveloped". There's very few undeveloped countries.
BlindGardener
America is bottom of the pack on most metrics, especially those related to healthcare, for a developed country. It's top third of developing
Chainhealer
When I was in school 40 years ago I was taught that this definition is outdated. And it still is.
RoovyRoo
Covid 3 tokyo drift
LickFury
I have assumed that we will need to take yearly, maybe even bi-yearly Covid vaccines for the foreseeable future
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
Thanks many deniers, yes we’ll need to receive booster shots (unless variant Mu changes that approach)
texasinja1718
Not only that but face masks need to be the absolute norm for awhile instead of people crying about masks
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
Amen to that!
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Well mu just took your assumptions and flushed them down the toilet, now didn't it?
Nanoline
No, it pretty much fulfills them; all this means is that we'll need another vaccine unique to the Mu variant. Which will take time.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
¹W/a constellation of evading characteristics it might take a supercomputer & researchers around the world a bit longer than the 6mo it took
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
²the first go-round. The original was ideal as its entry mechanism was identified & targeted. If mu has a mechanism also found in our system
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
³or too generic to target, it means researchers will have to identify a separate key feature which at 1st sounds reasonable, but requires
Alecchi
They mean you can re-design a new vaccine for mu and every other variant, like they do with the flu.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
¹The vaccine for COVID is quite a bit different than flu. The former uses a recipe for a key feature on the virus the latter a deadend form
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
²of sevl well-established variants of a virus that has been cultivated in living matter (egg). If the process for flu wrkd they'd've used it
Alecchi
Yeah for mRNA vaccines you just change the sequence to target the new protein. It's that simple.
CptBronson
They did. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine isn't a fancy mRNA vaccine like Moderna and pfizer are.
ImportNumpy
cbh8002013
I hate this planet.
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
it still has the best bananas, though
somethingawesomeandgreat
The ’My’ I used to know
llAlmasyll
I've been saying this is a likely outcome since the first variant became known and everyone said I'm overly paranoid.
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
Yep, likewise. I never wanted to be “Chicken Little” and I still don’t think the sky’s falling BUT I’m also a realist and knew long ago >
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
we’ll most likely have to approach Covid regularly like influenza
Kittynomnoms
Same happened to me when people on here were like, "I got vaccinated, now I'm done with this covid nonsense!" and I tried to warn them.
SnoopyDancing
yeah, doesnt take a rocket surgeon to see a possible progression
llAlmasyll
And I drink a lot more to deal with the anxiety and paranoia.
Buddasac
As a heavy drinker myself, using booze for anxiety is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline. But with that said, I still do it lol.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
I was down voted to hell for saying the same thing, friend.
SilverHornet
I also. Imgur is not a place that likes facts if they don't fit their current fuzzy feelings, unfortunately.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
I don't think that's true. Rather, I think there's a base knowledge that only a few of us have that makes it sound like scaremongering.
SilverHornet
I don't mean in just this case. Even if I literally cite studies proving my points, I can still find myself downvoted.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Gotcha. Well shit man, you aren't alone. Check out my posts in this same thread. Everyone has pandemic fatigue& wants good news only.
PoppaBigBear
Same here, it's basic high school biology. Things tend to evolve to become more efficient.
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Well in virology mutations tend to make things *less* successful at killing you off, but there's always a chance it can go this route too.
datphone777365
yep this could be the worst "gacha" outcome for us as far as variant traits. next is airborne and vaccine resistance/immunity...
Girlie1337
F***ing great. So we could all be f***ed, even though some of us have been doing everything right since this s*** started.
KingsOfWinter
were gonna run out of Greek letters soon, whats next kanji?
MarisFreeborn
I'm waiting for Covid Upsilon Black Zero Sugar Collector's Edition, personally.
AZRAELSBLADE
Pardon me while I go have another 18 month panic attack watching my patients die left and right.
KatBerry
Pretty sure at this point that Mother Nature went you fucked around now find out to the human population.
Pulsifer
This would be a very light version of that. What worries me is how badly we have coped with a very low-mortality virus.
KatBerry
You aren't wrong.
ughwhyjustwhy
Annnnd we are fucked. Climate change. Mass extinction. Corporate greed. Republicans, Covid19, Covid Delta, Covid Mu, We can't get it right.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
A deadlier virus *would* help a lot with climate change.
ughwhyjustwhy
Probably the only way sadly.
0oblick
Yes. Preppers are looking a lot less stupid, there are too many avenues for a semi or total apocalyptic scenario to ignore.
Throwawayheyya
Every day I lose motivation to keep living. The world's fucked and I just want out.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
A deadlier virus *would* help a lot with climate change.
herperderp
SARS-CoV-2 variant expert here: No evidence that you should worry about Mu in particular. Yet.
6313326
(not an expert, get most of my info from usu competent pop sci sources, might be mistaken) Do coronavirae swap info w/each other if they're¹
6313326
² infecting the same individual, or am I misremembering something that I read?
herperderp
If you're asking if they "recombine", then yes. Eg. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0771-4
6313326
TY, couldn't remember the term and "swap genes" was turning up a bunch of only tangentially related stuff when I searched. W/ Delta's ¹
6313326
² prominence & Mu being around enough to turn up in a sig # of tested samples, what do you think is the statistical likelihood of enough of²
NaughtButOne
Thanks. This exact same headline has heralded every variant so far.
pazooPositivityPlayer
Shit Shit SHIT
Bakeonator
Question..if everybody in the world just stayed home for 10 days..could this all be over?
Sauroctonus
I would say two weeks just to be sure.
herperderp
No. It is in all sorts of animal reservoirs now. Pretty much impossible to get rid of at this point
imworthyourtime
Here we go again. It's really turning from a pandemic to an endemic virus. Damn.
thesameasyours
Endoftimesmicdrop virus
DrewBerg
Endemic is not bigger than pandemic. Endemic is smaller and more tightly located in a single given area. Like a country or state.
LychFinderGeneral
That is an epidemic. Endemic means it comes back regularly and persistently. Like the flu
thatguyisreallydeep
Sure, but in epidemiology the term also means that the infection is constantly maintained in that population, whereas a pandemic could pass.
Xerubay
Remember when people kept saying "We need a new plague?" I laughed, assuming cancer was the only thing modern medicine couldn't handle.
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
How innocent we were thinking the problem would be what *medicine* can't handle.
SpiteLip
I'm going to end up having to get back with my horrible emotionally abusive ex out of pure isolation sickness...
r6popo
No.
prfesser
No, please don't. Abuse is unconsciencable.
Jaybloobirbwithsquash
Try the apps yet? Might be better off doing a dice roll on a stranger.
jbed88
Bro chill, you can’t fill a void with a person. Need to do shit for yourself
MultiFacets
Please don't walk back into that cage.
irisewithredeyes
This shit will never end. For fuck's sake!
duffman3335
We'll, eventually they're going to get to OMEGA, duh.
cancerriddenlung
xj4low
and the anti-vax crowd will sing from their hill tops that vaccines don't work while being the vessel that allows the virus to mutate.
swishasweets
I mean look at the past pandemics. They lasted 100-200 years. Expect the same since people are fucking idiots
mormacil
It won't till we reach 85% vaccine efficiency in at least 95% of the world population. But only if it doesn't become more infectious.
Ninjainslippers
Not true. It'll end when they reach the Omega variant. No names left. Checkmate, covid.
muffy69
Cancel the greek alphabet!
SadToSay
It might have never started if Donald Trump didn't dismantle the team that watches out for these things.
somethingawesomeandgreat
Arcian
And now, finally, people are starting to understand why epidemiologists were so terrified of SARS and MERS.
HeShallKnowYourWaysAsIfBornToThem
You can thank anti-vaxx and anti-mask jabronis.
Silnt39
Think positive. It will end. And you will never have trouble finding parking again.
bbherMlemPlayer
..... if you were intelligent enough to get vaccinated. Or maybe start drinking bleach.
fuzznubbin
Yeah it will… When it kills every last one of us! Nature is crazy like that.
sharkrepellantbatspray
Hopefully not. A virus isn’t a good virus if it keeps killing its host. It wants to infect easily and live in the background
somethingawesomeandgreat
How the FuCk can there be such a virus, are all the viruses like flu and influenza like this?
sporkulese
Yes. They change the influenza vaccine every year, based on how it has mutated through the flu season.
mimomisu
And that's still just an educated guess too
teacupsquid
In-FLU-enza IS the flu.
HandiCaptain
What pisses me off most is the "no new normal" fuckwads seem to think they're the only ones who prefer things as they were pre-pandemic >
creamyt
Yes. This is extremely frustrating. Ppl often confuse accepting reality with willing it to be true, because that's how they think it works.
HandiCaptain
> but also refuse to wear a mask or get vaccinated and are the only ones perpetuating the new normal they rage against 24/7.
shorey66
I think its time to start forcing these cunts to do the right thing.
phrost
Reddit banned that sub yesterday.
Neobomberman28
Mu eh? So what medicine for cows that'd be unsafe for humans are we going to hear about the spreadnecks ingesting next?
JustAFlamingoInDisguise
Only when everyone makes an effort to stop it e.g. vaccines, masks, social distancing etc.
CptRobotNinja
There was a brief period where we had a shot at if not eradicating it, at least getting it in hand. We are past that now. It's mutating
creamyt
I don't think so. It burst on the scenes in a high-population area. Even with China's grasp over its citizens, they had no chance.
creamyt
It took us time to understand wtf was going on, how bad it was, how it was spreading so fast, what is effective against it, etc etc.
PhillyJawn
Unless you mean when China hard quarantined in December/January of 2019/2020 we never had a shot to eradicate it.
PhillyJawn
Too many people without access to vaccines. We are still short of vaccines globally. The denser/poorer the pop the higher risk of mutation
CptRobotNinja
Hella fast
somethingawesomeandgreat
Like it’s built that way
CptRobotNinja
xj4low
Nope. Try again Qanon.
Shortliv3dGaming
It can, but won't happen. I don't see what is so hard about a 21 day Lockdown in the US at least .
MiniMartimus
Because money and the US somehow pay attention and listen to the crazy people
dut80
so no one is allowed in the US ever again? it would have to be an entire Earth lockdown.
bocksamson
I mean it will but potentially only after a few million people are dead
Arcian
A few million people are already dead and the end is nowhere in sight.
Cargobiker530
It ends when all the survivors mask & social distance for three weeks straight.
That0neguy727
So never, because we'll always have the "I had it and it wasn't that bad, honestly" intentional spreaders
icefire555
It drives me crazy. That this entire pandemic could end so easily if we just banded together for a month.
kindpanda
We'll be 3 weeks away from the end in perpetuity
ProgeriaProstitutes
But how? People need to eat, so we need food, power and distribution. And not everyone has a home to social distance in...
FuManLu
It ends when all the survivors (in the whole world) mask & social distance for three weeks straight.(all at the same time)
FreedomWaffles
it would need to have a fatality rate of like 65% for this idea to work. Covid-19 is 100% endemic and, just like the flu, is a tricky bitch.
PolarHailStorm
The only thing it needs to a super high fatality rate is to kill all the hospital staff first who are dealing with it. Then it's just time.
CAAFlo
Yeah. The only realistic ending is a MASSIVE increase in supply chains for vaccines followed by rigorous booster protocols.
creamyt
It's too infectious to *end* the disease with vaccines. It spreads and mutates/adapts too quickly. Vaccines limit suffering a lot, though.
creamyt
This is not true. You cannot *stop* a highly infectious disease like this. We do this to limit spread and health care burdens.
creamyt
And vaccines to limit death/suffering. We are unfit technologically and logistically end a disease like this. It will take it's ...
creamyt
evolutionary path of becoming an endemic, common cold over however many years it takes. Until then, we manage and deal as best we can.
MapleSyrupMafia
And by managing, you mean getting 30 shots. I've got both shots... and I'm honestly already getting tired of hearing about possible>
StunttheRunt
And the rest die? If any god/God/gods are on imgur please make a strain for stupid people. Granted I might be on that list for other reasons
relsky
Oh how amazing that would be... a virus that specifically and intentionally only targets the willfully ignorant.
grandestoptimist
If I were going to engage in population control, I’d release a virus that can be vaccinated against, and let those who don’t believe in
grandestoptimist
Science weed themselves out.
Pyro1456
Make a strain for the antivaxxer’s- oh wait... there is
kJerAFK
all variants are strains for stupid people, but we keep saving their asses
StunttheRunt
I was thinking too help save those smart ones who can't take vaccines for reasons. Immune compromised, youth, etc.
kJerAFK
They're the unfortunate exception and they are stuck watching and waiting like the rest of us.
QuestionsaboutSanity
yeah thanks fuckheads…
metalrulercid
Watch Texas start killing cows to fight it... Idiots
puffyjacket69
*Republicans
ChalkCoatedDonut
Corrupt governments waiting for free donated vaccines while spending the money meant for buying them on themselves are one half of the issue
DrewBerg
Corrupt governments certainly aren't helping either, that's for sure.
dut80
if the vaccinated can get covid, it can mutate in those people.
DrewBerg
Anti vaxxers certainly don't help. But these mutations are stemming from countries with no access to vaccines because of first world
mutingisforcowardsandsycophants
Well... vaccine resistant viruses arise in populations with high spread AND decent vaccination rates. Columbia's rate: 35%. (Mu's origin)
JerseyDriver
Colombia
WeShareTheSameSpace
Meanwhile. Doses have to be tossed from American communities because they expire from no one taking them. Privileged asshats
DrewBerg
Hoarding and pharma companies using patent controls make sure they don't get out without th getting paid. An people like Bill Gates >
DrewBerg
Has helped the pharma ghouls out.
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DrewBerg
Lol. I'm a "Q-trad" because I don't support the patent control over life saving medical drugs and treatment? I don't think you fully >
DrewBerg
Understand where I lay on the political spectrum. I'm a progressive. I support things like universal Healthcare, free college, etc. >
Distractedlurker
No, you’re a Q-tard because you didn’t say the exact things that align perfectly with his beliefs. That’s all it takes in today’s society.
QuestionsaboutSanity
it’s about the "being part of the problem"
DrewBerg
Sure, but again, the mutations are coming from places that don't have wide spread caccine access. Compared globally, the dumbasses >
DrewBerg
Are only a fraction of the real issue.
13times
If ppl would wear masks and social distance and not be selfish it would still combat it coming from other places and spreading here.
QuestionsaboutSanity
not getting the vacc and not wearing a mask is the greatest problem of t first world in fighting corona
DrewBerg
Yes, of the first world. But the mutations are largely not coming from first world nations. They're coming from countries that don't [
DrewBerg
Have access to vaccines or can't afford the pharmaceutical giants vaccines access bill attached. This article is about the mutations.
AvsFreak
Antibiotic resistant bacteria came from the overuse of Antibiotics, not people that didn't use Antibiotics..
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
*it’s not (that’s what I get for trying to type and work at the same time)
DrewBerg
That has nothing to do with vaccines. Bacterial and viral illnesses are two completely different things.
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
Apple to Oranges comparison. Though factually true it’s the heavy use of antibodies that’s creating these variants
DrDeadReckoningExtraordinaire
*it’s not
PoppaBigBear
I kept warning people about this, basic highschool biology, the unvaccinated are allowing the virus to mutate till vaccines aren't effective
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
Unpop. opinion: All of us who say "just let em get sick& die" instead of helping to educate &/or get vaccines to areas in need are to blame.
LychFinderGeneral
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mormacil
More that we're not giving the third world enough resources to vaccinate them. Hence this mutated outside the west, again.
SilverHornet
Realistically though there are only so many production facilities to go around, and as in a plane, you have to put your own mask on first.
SilverHornet
I'm assuming we'll end up all needed annual vaccines, production facilities will be booming up, eventually we might get a vaccine out fast >
SilverHornet
enough, and deployed widely enough, to allow proper immunity and eventually elimination.
PoppaBigBear
If anything, this will be like smallpox and polio, we'll need yearly vaccines until it dies off.
mormacil
Some countries are doing a third round of shots instead of giving everyone a first shot... Also vaccine producers refused any third 1/2
mormacil
world factories by other parties to scale up production. We're not running into unavoidable limitations here. 2/2
SilverHornet
IIRC the third is for high risk groups (eg will probably die) as there's evidence the protection fades. I wasn't aware of the latter though?
Scahrossar
Notee that its a VIOI (Variant of Interest) which means its monitored but not yet an issue.
Etlac
It uses the Chinese definition of interesting, as in "may you live in interesting times".
Scahrossar
We had earlier variants that had the same status and vanished.
valiantaesir
It also doesn't mean Mu is highly contagious like Delta. We must wait, for the science!
PolarHailStorm
Only a matter of time before one doesn't vanish like Delta. These coinflips are dangerous as hell.
Scahrossar
Oh, absolutely. I'm extreemely annoyed at the fear mongering of the press tho. See also the articles about Covid-22.
PolarHailStorm
Fortunately, I'm not American, so the press has no power here.
Scahrossar
Thats kinda naive. They might not be the Fox Propaganda Machine, but news always has power and the way its reported matters.
Kats8652
After 8 months about 0.1% of all infections is the mu variant... Delta is so contagious it simply pushes out all other variants.
SilverHornet
Only in statistics, which are current. It's not as if the viruses are mutually exclusive.
FalafelisImportant
Do you have a source? I need reassurance?
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
¹It's a tortoise & hare scenario tho. Delta will plow through bodies until it loses hosts, then the physically different mu will start over
EvilAbedsBoneSaw
²and reinfect all over again, but this time it can pass through both vaxxed &unvaxxed, provided it has decent transmissivity.
herperderp
It hasn't really gone head-to-head with Delta just yet. In places where it is present, it does quite well. But yes, my money's on Delta...
herperderp
...for now.
Kats8652
So no I am not worried about mays and might be's.
TheCoronaVirus
That's good to hear. Wanna go to a party?
Kats8652
I live in Belgium where over 70% of the entire population is vaxxed and in Flanders we are at 80% vaxxed for all ages... 90% of adults...
Kats8652
So yeah, party hardy.