Are we pretending it's not a big change even as makeup goes? I mean, the guys a douchebag because her professional makeup has nothing to do with romantic cat fishing at all but on video makeup is not something, like, every woman is doing.
Being fixated one what people look like in a unnatural state be it extensive makeup, or cosmetic surgery is just unhealthy. Sure there is some amount of natural beauty and there is also nothing wrong with girls or guys wanting to look their best for certain occasion's
But if you cant accept what people look like in a natural state then just stay alone. In a relationship you will see them when they have no make-up, or sick etc. And if you cant handle the real them then u don't deserve them
Both pictures are of the same woman, Jenna Mourey aka Jenna Marbles, on the left as she looked in most of her videos and on the right as she looked in an apology video she posted after getting cancelled in 2020 (for having done blackface ten years prior). The thing is though, she was always open about who she really was. Her breakthrough video was about how she achieved the look on the left.
I dont disagree that making yourself up is ok on dates and wherever but if this much change is ok then i should be able to go as batman using the same logic.
I realize belatedly that this comment probably comes off super shitty. My point is that the left side looks like something perfected, something idealized, and, for that, something unreal. Not that a woman in makeup is something not to be treated like an object.
Judging things based on their appearance is a survival mechanism that serves us well, even now. I see someone walking down the street wearing glasses and a sweater vest, I assume they're a rather smart individual. But when they stop me and tell me that Trump is excellent for the economy, I revise that assumption. It's never a bad thing to judge, what's bad is to let that judgment overrule further information that comes up, or even the possibility of further information coming up. All of human 1/
interaction is based on assumptions and judgments. What you are getting out of reading this is a LOT more, and different, than what I'm writing. And that's good! It's because you've experienced different things than I have. And as you say, women are allowed to be whatever they want. And everyone - women included - are allowed to make assumptions based on what everyone chooses to be.
No idea - just don't think the start of relationships should start with deception. and I am for putting your best foot forward, but there should be limit.
On the right: approachable, comfortable, let's start up a conversation; On the left: out of my league, high-maintenance, probably expects me to pay for everything.
Literally every parameter being attributed to the girl in either state is projection of insecurity, of a lack of self worth, of entitlement to another person, etc. Every single thing. There are no "leagues", that's incel thinking. You can't possibly know if someone is "high maintenance" from looking and even saying/thinking it is revealing the unwillingness to give to a relationship. Typical incel entitlement-driven thinking. Same with the pay for everything comment.
But even the "approachable, comfortable, let's start up a conversation" is exactly the same thing. It's a prejudice rooted in blaming another person for one's own insecurities. That's the core of the incel condition.
Right but the point I'm trying to make is that since we know it's the exact same person, perhaps this demonstrates why such an assumption based on appearance alone is flawed?
I can agree with that, but that's not the energy I read into the comment you were replying to. I read something more like, "This dude's clearly glorifying the left side, but here's why I, as a different person, prefer when women look like the right side."
In my eyes she was still famous until the very end where she quit, the numbers don't lie. She just wasn't the main face of youtube anymore because the platform changed so much.
And in this particular context it is especially funny to think that one of her very first viral vids (if not the first?) was a humorous self-depreciation called "How to trick people into thinking that you are good looking".
I know she was an early youtube influencer and I think there was some level of scandal around her but I've zero recollection about what it might have been.
I think she was like in the top 5 biggest Youtubers in the early 2010's. She made good of it and checked out after making some decent cash. Famous? That's all relative I suppose.
I loved Jenna marbles when I was younger 😭 I am so glad you saw her as a good role model too. I always loved that she was just herself, and it always made for hilarious content
So yeah main reason I dont know her is because I was never interested in that type of content. Which explains it, since I was otherwise all over YT in that era.
I've been a heavy internet user since 1994 and I have never heard of her, but there are a lot of early youtubers who just disappeared from the internet.
It’s insane how common it’s become. Then again, it was probably always an issue. It’s just more and more people are standing up for it compared to before.
Looking back at a lot of prominent children entertainers over the years, it is shockingly common. But I guess, they see it as easy access to what they want, so they go for it. Across any and all environs that allow adults time with/around kids, a good portion of those adults always turn out to be predators, sadly.
She always wore a huge amount of make up. Nothing wrong with that, but she is not the norm effort-wise. I do wonder how presentable professional make up artists could make me though. lol
What blows my mind is why no men do the same. If I wasn't already with my dream partner I'd be out there looking for Masculine Makeup Tutorials on YouTube.
Or the hyper-sexulization of women and expectation that they look a certain way to everyone to be considered "high-value". Men are just allowed to be humans without questioning or criticism.
I very rarely look in mirrors for my own unhappy reasons but then occasionally think "what if I have toothpaste on my face or something" then forget again and still don't get in the habit of checking
A coworker told me once that she really liked how I always smelled like fresh laundry. I took the compliment, but what I was really thinking was, “does your boyfriend not wash his clothes?”
Or uses unscented detergents or dryer balls. Dryer sheets are basically perfume oil soaked rags that do barely anything for actually acting as fabric softener. Or the brand you use is extremely overpowering and she was insulting you and letting you know you're too smelly.
*shrug* When women say guys can't take a hint, they mean when it comes to saying horribly mean things too. But honestly if you're throwing strays out saying a dude doesn't wash his cloths you gotta be ready to accept "too much perfume" exists too.
Yeah well I know this person well enough to know when she's being mean spirited and wen she isn't, so I'm gonna stick with: fuck you for trying to impugn my coworker's intentions.
I was gonna say, the male loneliness epidemic is entirely self-imposed. Guys want to pick up absolutely toxic beliefs and put in zero effort, and then pretend "no one likes them for who they are". But, my dude, you can actually change yourself. Put in some effort. Take care of yourself. Ditch the toxic misogynistic nonsense. And you're still you. Just better.
Buy a properly fitted shirt and nice shoes. Do your hair up nice to go out. Exercise just enough you are fit. Use a good moisturizer. Be well read, speak eloquently, respectfully, and sound informed . Convey a sense of calm and kindness around you that make people feel safe. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Take care of your gottdamn nails. Clean that beard and square up the hair on the back to neck. Starch your shirt and use collar stays. Match your belt. And those are the basics
Now brush your teeth. Trim your hair. Exfoliate. Shave. Moisturize. Trim the nose hairs. Pluck the unibrow. Splash of aftershave. Brush hair. Slight bit of product. Pop on clothes that fit, are clean, and pressed. Shoes that have been cleaned and polished.
Woah! That's a lot! Shower daily, trim hairs, clean undies EVERY DAY, clean jeans occasionally, clean shirt, deodorant...not spray shit, shoes always in public...not fucking flip flops. Ta dahhh you're a grown up
Who the fuck polishes their shoes or uses aftershave? It's not 1950, these timbs are good to go and my deodorant smells like oranges because I didn't read the label
SeldonCrysis
Well she did say she only had three looks
NickRivieraMD
Are we pretending it's not a big change even as makeup goes? I mean, the guys a douchebag because her professional makeup has nothing to do with romantic cat fishing at all but on video makeup is not something, like, every woman is doing.
ThailandExpress
VictusVonGuyver
Nothing wrong there. I actually prefer the one on the right. I mean I can pick her on the cheek without layers of makeup sticking to me.
Foxplay
Being fixated one what people look like in a unnatural state be it extensive makeup, or cosmetic surgery is just unhealthy. Sure there is some amount of natural beauty and there is also nothing wrong with girls or guys wanting to look their best for certain occasion's
But if you cant accept what people look like in a natural state then just stay alone. In a relationship you will see them when they have no make-up, or sick etc. And if you cant handle the real them then u don't deserve them
totallyruinedyourday
Aaaaah creepy old guy commenting about the attractiveness of a much younger woman….just another day
forelle
What a weirdo. Just look at his face. And that guy has the chuzpe to say anything at all.
StuckintheVoid
man i miss Jenna Marbles. everyone criticizes her early content but she mellowed out so much. i hope she's living her best life.
LazerSpacePirate
My self canceling queen 🖤
petonious
Smashing the brightness button but nothing seems to happen.
stonecoldstevebuschemi
I like the way women look with the no makeup, casual, around the house look. I almost always prefer it. This dude's never had a girlfriend, right?
williamshakesbeer
I also prefer the ladies when they're in comfy mode. It's much better when we're all hanging out at home in pajama pants and not giving a fuck
Sheari
It will never not be insane to me how much make-up and styling your hair can change how you look ._.
Salticido
Lighting too
wazeewa
Yea..its called makeup. It's been around for thousands of years.
aderek79350
And a shower. And hair. And clothes. And a few hours to do it all.
Simonator
Okay I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but could someone explain this to me?
Squossifrage
Both pictures are of the same woman, Jenna Mourey aka Jenna Marbles, on the left as she looked in most of her videos and on the right as she looked in an apology video she posted after getting cancelled in 2020 (for having done blackface ten years prior). The thing is though, she was always open about who she really was. Her breakthrough video was about how she achieved the look on the left.
Simonator
Ah i see, thank you.
I thought it was two people in a video chat, and i couldn't work out which would be saying the line, so was confused.
Chattafaukup
Never heard of her and I was online since before youtube existed. Hell I lived before the internet existed. Oh god im getting old fast.
pm1001
Check her channel out. You will enjoy it. All episodes still there
CobainsSarcoma
it's time for your pills btw
IslaNublar
I love trotting this fact out. ARPAnet, the network that evolved into the internet, went live in October 1969.
Chattafaukup
well fack im not that old.
Klaumbaz
No faster than the rest of us...unless you're an astronaut.
TheOldSchoolisBack
Quit stalling and schedule that colonoscopy, gramps
happywalker
i realised today that at some point i will have to explain a usb-a port to someone :-)
Emrys12
I dont disagree that making yourself up is ok on dates and wherever but if this much change is ok then i should be able to go as batman using the same logic.
CHICKINGNUGGER
Yea, good luck.
topscienceb
You are totally able to go as/ dress as batman to a date if you wish.
Emrys12
True that
NeurodivergenceMedley
I dunno what his fuckin' problem is. Right side is more attractive, anyway. Left side is a doll to be played with, right side is a human being.
NeurodivergenceMedley
I realize belatedly that this comment probably comes off super shitty. My point is that the left side looks like something perfected, something idealized, and, for that, something unreal. Not that a woman in makeup is something not to be treated like an object.
EmailFail
I get your sentiment, but judging someone based on their looks is still kind of shitty. Women are allowed to be whatever they want
NeurodivergenceMedley
Judging things based on their appearance is a survival mechanism that serves us well, even now. I see someone walking down the street wearing glasses and a sweater vest, I assume they're a rather smart individual. But when they stop me and tell me that Trump is excellent for the economy, I revise that assumption. It's never a bad thing to judge, what's bad is to let that judgment overrule further information that comes up, or even the possibility of further information coming up. All of human 1/
NeurodivergenceMedley
interaction is based on assumptions and judgments. What you are getting out of reading this is a LOT more, and different, than what I'm writing. And that's good! It's because you've experienced different things than I have. And as you say, women are allowed to be whatever they want. And everyone - women included - are allowed to make assumptions based on what everyone chooses to be.
4bRigger
I had to come here so that when the machines reading all this finish; it wasn't you they stopped at.
StillAKidAtHeart
Why do we have to convince the one on the left to get a date with the one on the right?
joeyecho101
She knows what she's capable of. Is the person trying to get a date worth her effort?
StillAKidAtHeart
No idea - just don't think the start of relationships should start with deception. and I am for putting your best foot forward, but there should be limit.
Emrys12
Ya i dont fisagree with makeup but if this is ok then i should be ok to go dressed as batman.
StillAKidAtHeart
Hard to disagree with that. +1
Kyzyl
On the right: approachable, comfortable, let's start up a conversation;
On the left: out of my league, high-maintenance, probably expects me to pay for everything.
anononanonanona
Big incel energy here
Mehtoes
How is that big incel energy?
anononanonanona
Literally every parameter being attributed to the girl in either state is projection of insecurity, of a lack of self worth, of entitlement to another person, etc. Every single thing. There are no "leagues", that's incel thinking. You can't possibly know if someone is "high maintenance" from looking and even saying/thinking it is revealing the unwillingness to give to a relationship. Typical incel entitlement-driven thinking. Same with the pay for everything comment.
anononanonanona
But even the "approachable, comfortable, let's start up a conversation" is exactly the same thing. It's a prejudice rooted in blaming another person for one's own insecurities. That's the core of the incel condition.
ThisNameUnavailable
But its the same person
NeurodivergenceMedley
So? That doesn't change that the different appearance gives off a different vibe.
ThisNameUnavailable
Right but the point I'm trying to make is that since we know it's the exact same person, perhaps this demonstrates why such an assumption based on appearance alone is flawed?
NeurodivergenceMedley
I can agree with that, but that's not the energy I read into the comment you were replying to. I read something more like, "This dude's clearly glorifying the left side, but here's why I, as a different person, prefer when women look like the right side."
LateNightBunnyParty
You're the only one who read it like that.
ThisNameUnavailable
Eh fair I suppose you could also read it that way, although personally I didn't.
taez555
It's weird to think Jenna Marbles was famous over a decade ago, and an entire generation of internet-dom doesn't even know who she is.
Willk95
I’ve been an internet user for well over a decade and idk who she is
Manhoarder
In my eyes she was still famous until the very end where she quit, the numbers don't lie. She just wasn't the main face of youtube anymore because the platform changed so much.
gablestout
I think it's a safer statement to say there is a single generation of internet-dom that knows who she is, and the other generations really don't care.
DrVoo
And in this particular context it is especially funny to think that one of her very first viral vids (if not the first?) was a humorous self-depreciation called "How to trick people into thinking that you are good looking".
Niagaran
...or forgot.
I know she was an early youtube influencer and I think there was some level of scandal around her but I've zero recollection about what it might have been.
causality
She preemptively self-canceled after realizing insane people might think she did blackface after she wore a wig to imitate a rapper.
EroticZombiePants
She read the future.
MadamPuddifoot
What was first big video, i forget exactly. Something about how to trick people into thinking you're hot?
seenunseen
I've been on the internet from day 1 and i don't know who she is
extraDimensionalAnxiety
Then you haven't really been on the internet.
seenunseen
Almost as if the internet is vast
FishCoffin
She was there during the great boom of YouTube.
seenunseen
Ah, i still only use youtube for music videos
Riggityriggitywrecked1
lol
Allusernamesaretakensoichoosethis
You still working at CERN?
oldguyexlurker
I was on here over a decade ago. And I saw this post, probably its first time posted. And I have no clue who Jenna Marbles is/was. Famous???
pm1001
(speaking as old guy) check out her channel. It's funny and interesting - the world from the female side of life
taez555
I think she was like in the top 5 biggest Youtubers in the early 2010's. She made good of it and checked out after making some decent cash. Famous? That's all relative I suppose.
InfocalypseRising
Not like hollywood-famous but if you were on comedy sites around that time you probably saw her
backrideup9
You are not alone.
Easykehl
Just as a counterpoint to everyone saying they don’t know who she is; I was a big fan of her when she was big on YouTube.
She got a big following and then just filmed herself doing whatever SHE thought was fun. She was funny, emotionally mature, and a great role model.
I’m still subscribed to her channel just in case she ever decides to come back. https://youtube.com/@jennamarbles
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GoTellAlGore
But what about Yes??
Riggityriggitywrecked1
I loved Jenna marbles when I was younger 😭 I am so glad you saw her as a good role model too. I always loved that she was just herself, and it always made for hilarious content
taez555
I still sing... "I hate being a grownup" to this day. :-)
Ivain
So yeah main reason I dont know her is because I was never interested in that type of content. Which explains it, since I was otherwise all over YT in that era.
LordHosk
So she was a early youtuber?
I've been a heavy internet user since 1994 and I have never heard of her, but there are a lot of early youtubers who just disappeared from the internet.
FishCoffin
Good news for you. She's on Twitch and plays regularly with her very wholesome husband and living happily with many dogs and plants.
artbabi
Kermit, Kermit, we've lived together for SIX YEARS! We love each other, ow that really hurt...
https://youtu.be/yrwYBEoO-Vs
(Jenna Marbles fan animation)
randomwalrus
A YouTuber who doesn't have a sketchy relationship with their underaged fans? Is that even legal?!
Druidhunter77
It’s insane how common it’s become. Then again, it was probably always an issue. It’s just more and more people are standing up for it compared to before.
randomwalrus
Looking back at a lot of prominent children entertainers over the years, it is shockingly common. But I guess, they see it as easy access to what they want, so they go for it. Across any and all environs that allow adults time with/around kids, a good portion of those adults always turn out to be predators, sadly.
shehdbeuebw738373
I could be wrong, but I'd assume insanely attractive women in their 20s and 30s aren't that prominent among the underage fan stuff
DonkeyGoat
What about internet-sub?
TheLastBootyBender
What about internet-quiznos
tantallous
does it have a pepper bar?
IgnisInvictus
Do men think that they always look the same regardless of how much effort they put in?
Emrys12
Most men dont change so drastically. You dont see dudes going dressed as batman
Kbantar
She always wore a huge amount of make up. Nothing wrong with that, but she is not the norm effort-wise. I do wonder how presentable professional make up artists could make me though. lol
TacoPoweredHelicopter
I comb my hair after a shower ....that's it.
Groucho713
What blows my mind is why no men do the same. If I wasn't already with my dream partner I'd be out there looking for Masculine Makeup Tutorials on YouTube.
zylokun
They do. They look like shit no matter what.
adiving
You're not gonna see more variation than the state of my hair before and after the morning shower.
zenprime
We assume so. We get the same amount of compliments either way. None.
NickRivieraMD
I pretty much look the same every day.
DanFendi
Yes. It comes with the brutal desexualization of the gender.
Patttttttttttttt
If "Somehow I'm the Victim" were an Olympic event you could put his post on a box of Wheaties
pollypocketfullofposies
Or the hyper-sexulization of women and expectation that they look a certain way to everyone to be considered "high-value". Men are just allowed to be humans without questioning or criticism.
Audasity
found the douchebag
nosnowyno
Last week my boss told me my collar was messed up and I realized that I hadn’t actually looked in the mirror before leaving the house
paigezero
I very rarely look in mirrors for my own unhappy reasons but then occasionally think "what if I have toothpaste on my face or something" then forget again and still don't get in the habit of checking
Riggityriggitywrecked1
Lmao fuck
strawberrycocoa
A coworker told me once that she really liked how I always smelled like fresh laundry. I took the compliment, but what I was really thinking was, “does your boyfriend not wash his clothes?”
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
Or uses unscented detergents or dryer balls. Dryer sheets are basically perfume oil soaked rags that do barely anything for actually acting as fabric softener. Or the brand you use is extremely overpowering and she was insulting you and letting you know you're too smelly.
strawberrycocoa
Hey, thanks for bringing that twinge of negativity and self doubt into the conversation. I really appreciate the fuck out of that.
OnlyWantToSayOneThing
*shrug* When women say guys can't take a hint, they mean when it comes to saying horribly mean things too. But honestly if you're throwing strays out saying a dude doesn't wash his cloths you gotta be ready to accept "too much perfume" exists too.
strawberrycocoa
Yeah well I know this person well enough to know when she's being mean spirited and wen she isn't, so I'm gonna stick with: fuck you for trying to impugn my coworker's intentions.
IgnisInvictus
It was a compliment. Don't let self doubt enter the equation.
gtotherizzle
Most men don't put in any effort to begin with.
derpman4k
Hey now... I comb my hair
beneaththewillowtree
I feel personally attacked
gtotherizzle
Do you though?
Junktrunkjunkie
Eh I can’t be bothered
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Ewwww, pants? Fuck that shit.
horseWnoname
ding!
sickofmakingnames
I kinda wipe my butt most of the time.
TeenyTinyTubeyDratini
Progress.
nclu
I was gonna say, the male loneliness epidemic is entirely self-imposed. Guys want to pick up absolutely toxic beliefs and put in zero effort, and then pretend "no one likes them for who they are". But, my dude, you can actually change yourself. Put in some effort. Take care of yourself. Ditch the toxic misogynistic nonsense. And you're still you. Just better.
IslaNublar
Spoken like someone who's never been turned down, laughed at, and dismissed their entire life for things they can't control like their height.
gtotherizzle
I didn't mean common self care. I meant beyond it. No ...what they call 'manicure products' hair gel, cologne, anything beyond jeans and a T-shirt
nclu
Buy a properly fitted shirt and nice shoes. Do your hair up nice to go out. Exercise just enough you are fit. Use a good moisturizer. Be well read, speak eloquently, respectfully, and sound informed . Convey a sense of calm and kindness around you that make people feel safe. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Take care of your gottdamn nails. Clean that beard and square up the hair on the back to neck. Starch your shirt and use collar stays. Match your belt. And those are the basics
Yotarian
Incel behavior is self imposed, yes. That doesnt cover the entirely of it though.
IslaNublar
Again, spoken from a place of privilege. Do all of that, but be shorter than 6' AND/OR not be loaded and watch how many times you get rejected.
nothingelsetodo
I have used soap.
IgnisInvictus
Now brush your teeth. Trim your hair. Exfoliate. Shave. Moisturize. Trim the nose hairs. Pluck the unibrow. Splash of aftershave. Brush hair. Slight bit of product. Pop on clothes that fit, are clean, and pressed. Shoes that have been cleaned and polished.
Ta-da! Effort!
gtotherizzle
Woah! That's a lot! Shower daily, trim hairs, clean undies EVERY DAY, clean jeans occasionally, clean shirt, deodorant...not spray shit, shoes always in public...not fucking flip flops. Ta dahhh you're a grown up
IgnisInvictus
It is a lot. Just like the pic on the left. That's not daily wear. It's going out wear.
pvtsquirel
Who the fuck polishes their shoes or uses aftershave? It's not 1950, these timbs are good to go and my deodorant smells like oranges because I didn't read the label