Mar 31, 2022 3:33 AM
chazzsandiego
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Sixence
paid millions to whine like a baby back b***h
ImurevJourhein
...what the hell is this bullshit? He slightly grazed his beard?
theangryjanitor
So everyone has been watching too much soccer
kelloggs
softballguy
NBA defense be like ?fb
otamolot
We still have rugby.
C110PR
and hockey
Hopefulgirl1
He should have walked right up to him instead, slapped him, and they may have given him the trophy 15 mins later
onepinksheep
ahhhhtomzilla
Zixtank
Give that man an oscar.
SobchaksWorldOfPain
Did he punch a comedian, first?
Your comma makes that sentence confusing for me
EyeSpyABreathtakingPerson
Remember, basketball says it's a "contact sport."
LegendaryBill
Get a reputation for flopping and other players will know just to clock you for real since they're going to get penalized for pulling back.
YouLoveThat
Never touch a mans beard.
Probablyimaginary
His arm flab touched my beard! Coach he touched me! - that sports man probably.
xstickman
That slow motion was so smooth I honestly thought it was a mime act
AppleTreesAndHoneyBees
TIL there's a sports team called the Nuggets, I'm assuming they were referring to Gold Nuggets and not Chicken nuggets?
PostmasterG
Golden weed nuggets sir.
UrbanNorthern
This is why I prefer hockey
Amen.
hawks88
There is diving in hockey to.
einthedog2
Unpopular opinion but faking an attack is is also unsportsmanlike conduct
syntheticgod8
I hope his homies called him a little bitch afterwards.
I see he went to the LeBron James School of Acting.
MedicSailor
Any time the referees for a "prodessional" sports league can't be arsed to take 1 minute to look at footage before making calls, I boycott.
RCSpotz
FIFA trickling down into the NBA
Flopdong
I don't know the story here, but intent is important. If he intentionally acted like he was going to elbow the other guy in the face to 1/2
stub20000
Not American so basketball sucks imo but that's exactly how I saw it, poor sportsmanship
get him to flinch, that would be poor sportsmanship. Similar to throwing a fake punch to get the guy to move. 2/2
CplSnuggles
That's absolutely what he did. Idk if that's a normal thing though it basketball, or allowed, but it's horribly dishonorable.
MrPappagiorgioFromYuma
Obviously a 15 yd penalty on the shortstop for knobbing the shuttlecock resulting in an indirect kick powerplay for the offense.
airbreather
To be fair, it was late in the 5th chukker and he had inside water to the wicket.
FabulouslyTiti
...go sportsball? :')
Kyen155
8v45p4tjm611
Touchdown lakers
If it ain't Calvinball, I ain't watching.
malachilenomade
As someone that knows nothing about sports, for all I know you perfectly described what happened.
IneffablySublime
SPORTS!
THEmichaelscarn12
njatgu
I'll always upvote the flyers. Especially when beating the shit out of the pens.
Waytigo
I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out!
SerenePrincess013
Wasn't that when Voracek broke Crosby's nose for him?
PubstarHero
Love how the refs both were just waiting for one to go down before breaking it up.
TheSwedishMoose
Go to the terrarium and think about your punching, your knife-footed ice gremlin
espi0920
I'd rather watch hockey any day of the week.
FERDA
WhataburgerWithADrPepper
Hell yeah brother
ThisIsAWasteOfMyTime
Unpopular opinion: There are games like Chess Boxing, where players go in to alternate between a physical fight and another game. Ice >
hockey isn't such a game and you should be able to play it at any level without having to accept being physically assaulted while doing so.>
jukkatammi
Agreed. If you want to fight, try boxing/mma. Without the gloves in Hockey its very dangerous.
ThatMicrosoftPaintGuy
Fighting in the hockey league has seen a decline, from what it was, and most fighters are brought on to a team to fight other fighters.
stars rarely fight anyone and fighting was and still is viewed as a way to lower temperaments between teams.
FrozenCoast
There have been almost no dedicated enforcers for quite some time now. It’s a waste of a roster spot nowadays.
The fact that these fights are so normalised in NHL is super weird to me.
aboyincerise
I agree. You consent to getting tackled, not assaulted. Fighting in the rink should result in arrests ?♂️
sway073
I mean, I can guarantee that they both agreed to that fight. Most fights in the rink happen because of bad hits, so if they weren't there 1/
jscuster
Hockey is only major sport where every player is carrying a deadly weapon. And the sport with the highest speeds and most kinetic energy.
Fighting originally existed to let players blow off steam without resorting to swinging sticks. The game has largely moved on from it. But
ExPFCWintergreen
The reason he was thrown out was that he appeared to fake a shoulder/elbow to the defender's face to create space. It was a weird sequence
But I think ultimately the right call based on the replay. This is a very friendly angle for Rivers
That's good to hear that he was actually thrown out for the correct reason, and not because they thought it was a foul. The people getting
upvotes here have like idiotic takes in light of that.
When I saw the replay on ESPN, it looked like the overhead move put his elbow super close to Stephenson, then he made the fake right after
Fouls should be reviewed after each game. If falsified, the player and team starts with 2x in the next game. 3 faked fouls = 6. Deterrence.
bripi
...and now you have to hire and pay people to do that. The NBA? Nah, they don't have any money for that. sarcasm dripping from that.
The revenue from NOT losing fans disgusted by flops would more than pay for it.
JamBarn
Just review it in the moment.
It would slow up the game too much. The goal is to retrain mindsets that there are future repercussions to behavior. I'm a baseball 1/
purist but look forward to robo umps calling balls & strikes based on body measurements taken pre-season so that crouching and umpire 2/
bias and pitch framing are eliminated as factors. Let pitchers and catchers focus on strikes with a full strike zone and kill the 3/
batter's petulant whining about whether the ball crossed the plate within the (standing) knee to armpit height range. Faster game. And 4/
https://official.nba.com/rule-no-13-instant-replay/
There's already a replay rule so no.
Covers level of foul, whether shooting or not, 2 or 3pt, but no review whether there was actual contact. 1/
Oh shit. Wild.
destinoz
Thrown out for giving him a scare? lol
[deleted]
Completely mistaken about what? The argument here is that one ref called it a malicious act, and everyone else thinks that’s horseshit.
The most common belief is that left guy was pretending to get fouled, or just complaining that he didn't get hit and the guy was thrown out
anyway. When you talk about the evidence or the fact that it was a faked physical attack, you get downvoted. There was no one saying what
you randomly decided everyone was upvoting or thinking, that the ref was right but it's a bullshit call anyway. I counted one person period.
ThomasThundersword
yeah it looked like he was just moving with his turn then saw the guy’s face and pulled back hard to avoid hitting him. wtf call is this
It's intentional. Maybe you need martial arts experience, but he convinces the guy with his movements that he's intentionally striking him.
I appreciate the downvotes, morons. You're all wrong as a fucking unit.
MarsIsAfire
Watch it in real time, there's no way you can be sure it's intentional. Sorry.
You realize other people are capable of sight, right? Not everyone is blind like you are.
Yeah, impossible: "Denver Nuggets guard Austin Rivers was thrown out in the fourth quarter.. against the Indiana Pacers for faking an elbow"
If you watch his eyes you can see him aim where he's going to stop the strike short. He then attacks and when he reaches that point, he...
switches to deceiving everyone watching. It is some straight psychopath shit, and he's completely remorseless and taking it to Twitter.
BlueWater321
Will0099
I remember when Rodman would elbow guys in the throat when he was on the Pistons… these guys are clown now.
enybi
Tbh I never found watching that kind of bball fun, it just killed all momentum and pace and artifice. However this one wasn't a foul.
Whydidithavetobebees
Charles Oakley would body slam people, Stockton and Malone pick and rolls always came with a riding knee to the nuts
Imadethisaccounttopost
Shit, Bill Lambier was a hockey player in a basketball uniform with how many times he rough fouled.
counterfeitdreams
Pay To Play
XRay0976
Yep! On his way down with a rebound and legs flailing about! It was your fault if you got hit by that! #BadBoys
BednaR
Rodman was a beast. I was about 10yo when my dad showed me some finals with Bulls in. To a small kid from Poland it was crazy. Gladiators!
Skizzlesnap
Back when basketball didn’t suck. Now it’s a bunch of pansies jumping on one team for a championship.
Bill lambeir
Jokerthehulk
I remember when everyone hated the pistons
Not the fine people of Detroit. Pistons we’re gods amongst men in that town.
theshinobi23
I remember right now, too.
delheit
pepridge farm remembers
Arock77
I remember when the Pistons would just beat the shit out of whoever they played.
KillingTlme
Physically, never in score.
TacoPuncher
I remember the malice in the palace
What's the name of that white THUG they had playing? He was an enforcer in every fkn game. Gross-ass b-ball from those arseholes.
PushingPicklez
Bill Laimbeer?
YEEEESS!!!! Bill was a fucking barbarian, and got away with it for his entire career. He beat the shite out of everyone in the paint.
X No Layups
Then don’t be in the paint bitch, you gotta pay to play /s but really the 90’s had it best between the roughness of the 80’s n bitchs of now
lukemwp
Are you saying that the should be allowed to elbow each other in the throats
gestun
Not to speak for the person who commented that, but maybe the current state of the league is a bit of an over-correction.
Phobos613
Didn't know basketball was turning into soccer
vallos
In the usa they play like that...
Seanspeed
Regular season NBA can be painful to watch at times. Playoff basketball is the shit, though.
secretoaster
It's turning into football. And soccer. Meanwhile, the Olympic committee just announced Curling will go full contact.
Mueggi3
In football we have video assistant referee now, this won't happen in football.
MosquitoHawker
Futbol*
JEMbalaya
I blame LeBron
neonoptic
It's been shitty for years now because defense can't actually defend anymore. Gotta just let people shoot the ball pretty much. Garbage.
redheadedkent
Alway has been.meme
GondwanaCraton
If you can't win through skill at the game, win through skill at cheating/acting/flopping/being a jackass.
kwyjiboner
Sports millionaires can afford acting classes.
scroobiusgav
Soccer players literally do this.
TheOneThatGotBanned
if this was soccer, some players would still be rolling from that impact.
thewolfman56
The entire sport of pro basketball is garbage. Boring to watch.
sophware
A shit ton of discussion has happened around this and a lot of people have come down on the side of "let the players play," meaning don't.
JustPissingAgainstTheWindYOLO
You ment football #1 and you're a joker XD
FelixG
If someone flops they should be banned for the remainder of the year, and their team given an L for the match they were playing.
msd3k
At the very least, they should be benched for the remained of the game. Or the next game, if it's only caught later.
UsernameIsTheNewBlack
That's the dream for any sport
bourbonist
What do you mean "turning into"?
PocketFullOfHotDogs
That flopping wasn't a common thing in basketball until about a decade ago, while in soccer its been going on for longer.
VibratingNipples
get in line
MrRogersNeighborhood
Mmh, vibrating nipples.
mattinglyssideburns
It’s football, not soccer
Gee a few butthurt Americans on the replies
PineappleLoopsBroether
Not butthurt, it’s more like we’re the ones saying no one takes it seriously… if you ask for chips here, we know you want fries, not crisps.
I bet you'd say it's boot not trunk, lorry not truck, tomato sauce not ketchup, turns out diff places have diff words. Who cares?
Chips vs Fries … Crisps vs Chips … potato potato …
American football should just be called tackleball.
ItsBloodyAlbatrossFlavor
Or Commercialball
So… how’d you know the exact sport they were talking about?
cheesypundit
Because it's the only sport ever referred to as that. I also know what sport is meant by "handegg".
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Depends where you live. Don't be an ass.
BecauseIHaveWonAnAward
Except in this case it’s America verses the entire world…
37Nightwing
Thank LeBron...King of Flopping.
Dwayne Wade was the king of that
woby83
Fuck Lebron
mistvan
And parker, ginobili, gasol. Shame on them.
CriticalCritic
Don't forget Vlade Divak!
Let's not forget about Chris Paul's flop against Demarcus Cousins
qbeezy444
Say ure goat but u known for flopping and choking. Not a good argument there Bron.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Fax. When was Jordan all floppy?
N0MamesGuey
It’s so much worse than soccer.
Not even close, but it's bad enough.
FaKwAd
nothing is worse than soccer.
Bimbo5
The NBA is
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Cricket surely is.
KirapkasGergers
Depends there is a modern t20 cricket which is good.
DKB13
T20 is great
Haters gonna hate
rezpup
Lost interest in the NBA years ago.
stulfer
Its the best its been in over a decade, parity amongst teams finally. Go ?s
TheSlurmFactory
Only reason I watched it in the last 15 years is because the bucks won the title
surroundedbytwits
Fear the deer! Grew up in WI and been a fan for many years
the last time I watched anything NBA related, was Space Jam
Aksuuuh
That's my jam
TheFastpaws
China is their fan base now.
mastertmo
One of the few things my wife and I seriously disagree on - I can't understand at all how *anyone* can be legit interested in any sports.
I have friends who feel this way and I think it's because their personal social development wasn't very good when they were children.
If you don't know about Jessie Owens and the 1936 Berlin Olympics.....
Part of it for me is I'm salty over how sports is more important than education in schools in the US. HS football teams are celebrated. /1
Colleges/Universities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on sports teams to get name recognition to attract students. /2
Maybe try spending more on your actual education and attract students actually interested in learning something?
Yeah, and those are out of different budgets. No one is losing education funding over it.
That may be so in their case, but it's not universally so. I played sports as a kid, soccer as a child, volleyball in college and past.
So you played sports for years plus in college but can't understand why anyone would be interested in sports. Okay, chief.
"Watching/Following sports." Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Enjoy your day.
KareemAbdulJabroni
Thrown out??? Wtf, for what exactly, hurt feelings?
Bobgreytheclown
Basketball is going the way of soccer
Metalsmith21
He hit him in the chin with his arm. It may have been accidental but it was contact. It wasn't a brush, his arm went into his chin.
Watch the replay in real time and it makes more sense. https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1509336168730488839?t=EhDfDvJZ_rZYIbLUbny3bw&s=19
Ruffled his whiskers. That's expulsion under rule 420 section 69 subparagraph 300. Also Japanese for 'you're welcome.'
MoonPieTown
Do you think he meant to fake an elbow to the face to freak the other player out? If so that's still a douchey move. Not worth an ejection.
Grimmrog
tbh, hard to see for a judge in relatime without repllay, but hey, good to see soccer attitide entered basketball XD
kjbds
No no, the ref fucking reviewed the play and STILL thought it warranted an ejection. That's what makes it so insane
allmj
Exactly they would call it a foul on the floor, then review it from all angles including the one we saw then make the decision
wow, new meta haircut, long beard and long stiff hair into all directions.
CommentGuru
He feinted a foul; made the defender think he was about to be hit and thus recoil from it.
"Feint" means "make a deceptive or distracting movement, especially during a fight." Different from "faint."
lamingtonjoy
Is the other guy allowed to touch him like he is?
narrowsquire
Yes, but the defender's [the other guy] touch/contact isn't allowed to impede the offensive player's movement or to be a grab/hold
JesaraB
It wraps his side and tugs on his jersey, he was holding him.
highhiedyin
Only if he gives consent
clonedeeznuts
Am I watching soccer on a basketball court? What a joke.
MrSpooki
New to the NBA, are we?
Nope. Used to be a fan until they started trying to get Oscars. This is simply on a whole new level even LeBron would be proud of.
RayMC
For jabbing towards him to make him recoil. It doesn’t matter that there was no actual contact.
meskarune
I agree, if he didn't recoil he would have got hit
He wouldn't have gotten hit. You can see the guy aim where he's going to stop short before he starts this physical lie.
Phawtin
Is that a foul?
That can't be a rule....
It definitely should be, otherwise people could just throw actual punches and go "I'm not touching you!" at the last second.
demonmike777
Didn't even look like a jab, just maneuvering for a pass. This is a soccer level flop.
He aims where he's going to stop. He looks at the point his strike is going to impact, directly as in you see him do that, then strikes.
He's just aiming at air in this case, but he aims it the same way you would any other attack.
Even if you're right, considering committing a foul should not be punished the same way as committing a foul.
He starts a physical attack and makes it as convincing as he can, then turns it into something innocent. It's like wildly manipulative.
From what I can tell, most of you are not empathizing with the people here or like feeling the moment that's happening. You see the whole
thing but only actually get a glimpse of it, then judge on what you think 'probably' happened when you could actually know, instead.
If this weren't stomped down immediately like-- it's something that people could aggressively abuse and it would be very difficult to police
The guy is testing the waters basically to see if he can start hacking.
JustJillyMeh
Surely you're joking. Right?
Hey dumbass: "Denver Nuggets guard Austin Rivers was thrown out in the fourth quarter... against the Indiana Pacers for faking an elbow"
Don't try to verify this by looking at his eyes and looking for intent, just be a rude bitch instead. That's easier.
mentallychallengeaccepted
The day after my birthday is not my birthday, mom
PapaDeltaXray
Once again, they forgot about J.
Christonabike101
He touched his beard! Lol
... and his chin, and the chinbone behind it. May have been accidental but both of them know contact was made.
Knightendae
Right!
OrangeLazarus86
A classic LeFraud move. The Clown LeBraun James has truly changed the NBA. For the better? God no. No never.
DTCarl05
Apparently for a “malicious act” mind blown. https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nba-world-reacts-to-austin-rivers-ridiculous-ejection/amp
If he didn’t try to illicit recoil with a fake elbow to the face, he wouldn’t have been tossed out.
Huh? Nuggets Austin Rivers was tossed out for the elbow. Pacers Lance Stephenson recoiled. You mean Lance should have been tossed?
talynen
The person you replied to's comment reads like they believe the player in white jersey intended to use his elbow to make the other flinch.
and that this justifies him being thrown out of the game, apparently.
idownvotekittens
By that logic, someone getting crossed over is the same as getting shoved.
otherJeffsarefalseJeffs
Last I check eliciting a reaction without actually touching someone isn’t illegal. And it’s elicit, not illicit. Illicit means it’s illegal.
gardnert
There is a flopping rule, but I don't know if this action would be covered.
It seems like the flopping rule would only apply to the guy that faked getting hit, not the guy that faked throwing an elbow.
beerbellybandit
At normal speed and from a different angle he appeared to elbow the Pacer in the face.
Pyrowolf1
Dude should have done the right thing and told the ref that he didn't actually get hit.
UncleVenoM
They have replay that they seem to use when convenient - seems like it should be used for something like deciding to eject someone?
You seem to have used a question mark in a declarative statement. Are you asking me?
Seems like you can figure that out yourself?
JustAnotherRandomCommenter
but from this angle it's clear nothing happened. so they penalised the faker for lying and cheating, right? right?
There clearly was contact. The arm moved into the beard and was stopped by the chin.
abion47
Are we looking at the same video? Even if there was contact, it was incidental and didn't amount to more than tickling his beard.
The refs made the call and there was no lier or cheater.
So he thought he'd been elbowed in the face?
Nah, but he didn’t walk up to the refs and say that. I think this is on the refs.
youcanreachmenow
Yea but at this angle and speed clearly there is no contact... is ther Television review in Basketball?
miraclemaxcoc
Flagrant fouls can be reviewed.
ProbablyNotMegatron
They don’t typically review fouls but the player will likely get fined for flopping
Donku83
Flopping? Did you not watch the video? His beard might never recover
TheTallDwarf
I might be wrong but I believe it's only in real time for the refs
tehranosaurusrex
They review all this in slow motion
Gimlan
No you are very wrong. No one gets ejected without a video review
I see, so like Football before they changed the regs
Maybe the refs in basketball have a strong union like baseball does. This is why umps still call pitches,even though computers can do it now
N O P E. The call is the call, unless its out-of-bounds.
Jathine
Negative. I have seen them review flagrant fouls to determine if it is a type 1 or 2 since type 2's ends in ejection.
Very inefficient use of the meagrly available characters, but otherwise thank you for the fantabulous explanation.
brevity is the essence of efficiency.
Danielmgur
Your sentence has too many long words, Nerd.
Aesiir
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick
Sixence
paid millions to whine like a baby back b***h
ImurevJourhein
...what the hell is this bullshit? He slightly grazed his beard?
theangryjanitor
So everyone has been watching too much soccer
kelloggs
softballguy
NBA defense be like
?fb
otamolot
We still have rugby.
C110PR
and hockey
Hopefulgirl1
He should have walked right up to him instead, slapped him, and they may have given him the trophy 15 mins later
onepinksheep
ahhhhtomzilla
Zixtank
Give that man an oscar.
SobchaksWorldOfPain
Did he punch a comedian, first?
ahhhhtomzilla
Your comma makes that sentence confusing for me
EyeSpyABreathtakingPerson
Remember, basketball says it's a "contact sport."
LegendaryBill
Get a reputation for flopping and other players will know just to clock you for real since they're going to get penalized for pulling back.
YouLoveThat
Never touch a mans beard.
Probablyimaginary
His arm flab touched my beard! Coach he touched me! - that sports man probably.
xstickman
That slow motion was so smooth I honestly thought it was a mime act
AppleTreesAndHoneyBees
TIL there's a sports team called the Nuggets, I'm assuming they were referring to Gold Nuggets and not Chicken nuggets?
PostmasterG
Golden weed nuggets sir.
UrbanNorthern
This is why I prefer hockey
C110PR
Amen.
hawks88
There is diving in hockey to.
einthedog2
Unpopular opinion but faking an attack is is also unsportsmanlike conduct
syntheticgod8
I hope his homies called him a little bitch afterwards.
C110PR
I see he went to the LeBron James School of Acting.
MedicSailor
Any time the referees for a "prodessional" sports league can't be arsed to take 1 minute to look at footage before making calls, I boycott.
RCSpotz
FIFA trickling down into the NBA
Flopdong
I don't know the story here, but intent is important. If he intentionally acted like he was going to elbow the other guy in the face to 1/2
stub20000
Not American so basketball sucks imo but that's exactly how I saw it, poor sportsmanship
Flopdong
get him to flinch, that would be poor sportsmanship. Similar to throwing a fake punch to get the guy to move. 2/2
CplSnuggles
That's absolutely what he did. Idk if that's a normal thing though it basketball, or allowed, but it's horribly dishonorable.
MrPappagiorgioFromYuma
Obviously a 15 yd penalty on the shortstop for knobbing the shuttlecock resulting in an indirect kick powerplay for the offense.
airbreather
To be fair, it was late in the 5th chukker and he had inside water to the wicket.
FabulouslyTiti
...go sportsball? :')
Kyen155
8v45p4tjm611
Touchdown lakers
SobchaksWorldOfPain
If it ain't Calvinball, I ain't watching.
malachilenomade
As someone that knows nothing about sports, for all I know you perfectly described what happened.
IneffablySublime
SPORTS!
THEmichaelscarn12
njatgu
I'll always upvote the flyers. Especially when beating the shit out of the pens.
Waytigo
I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out!
SerenePrincess013
Wasn't that when Voracek broke Crosby's nose for him?
PubstarHero
Love how the refs both were just waiting for one to go down before breaking it up.
TheSwedishMoose
Go to the terrarium and think about your punching, your knife-footed ice gremlin
espi0920
I'd rather watch hockey any day of the week.
THEmichaelscarn12
WhataburgerWithADrPepper
Hell yeah brother
ThisIsAWasteOfMyTime
Unpopular opinion: There are games like Chess Boxing, where players go in to alternate between a physical fight and another game. Ice >
ThisIsAWasteOfMyTime
hockey isn't such a game and you should be able to play it at any level without having to accept being physically assaulted while doing so.>
jukkatammi
Agreed. If you want to fight, try boxing/mma. Without the gloves in Hockey its very dangerous.
ThatMicrosoftPaintGuy
Fighting in the hockey league has seen a decline, from what it was, and most fighters are brought on to a team to fight other fighters.
ThatMicrosoftPaintGuy
stars rarely fight anyone and fighting was and still is viewed as a way to lower temperaments between teams.
FrozenCoast
There have been almost no dedicated enforcers for quite some time now. It’s a waste of a roster spot nowadays.
ThisIsAWasteOfMyTime
The fact that these fights are so normalised in NHL is super weird to me.
aboyincerise
I agree. You consent to getting tackled, not assaulted. Fighting in the rink should result in arrests ?♂️
sway073
I mean, I can guarantee that they both agreed to that fight. Most fights in the rink happen because of bad hits, so if they weren't there 1/
jscuster
Hockey is only major sport where every player is carrying a deadly weapon. And the sport with the highest speeds and most kinetic energy.
jscuster
Fighting originally existed to let players blow off steam without resorting to swinging sticks. The game has largely moved on from it. But
ExPFCWintergreen
The reason he was thrown out was that he appeared to fake a shoulder/elbow to the defender's face to create space. It was a weird sequence
ExPFCWintergreen
But I think ultimately the right call based on the replay. This is a very friendly angle for Rivers
CplSnuggles
That's good to hear that he was actually thrown out for the correct reason, and not because they thought it was a foul. The people getting
CplSnuggles
upvotes here have like idiotic takes in light of that.
ExPFCWintergreen
When I saw the replay on ESPN, it looked like the overhead move put his elbow super close to Stephenson, then he made the fake right after
SobchaksWorldOfPain
Fouls should be reviewed after each game. If falsified, the player and team starts with 2x in the next game. 3 faked fouls = 6. Deterrence.
THEmichaelscarn12
bripi
...and now you have to hire and pay people to do that. The NBA? Nah, they don't have any money for that. sarcasm dripping from that.
SobchaksWorldOfPain
The revenue from NOT losing fans disgusted by flops would more than pay for it.
JamBarn
Just review it in the moment.
SobchaksWorldOfPain
It would slow up the game too much. The goal is to retrain mindsets that there are future repercussions to behavior. I'm a baseball 1/
SobchaksWorldOfPain
purist but look forward to robo umps calling balls & strikes based on body measurements taken pre-season so that crouching and umpire 2/
SobchaksWorldOfPain
bias and pitch framing are eliminated as factors. Let pitchers and catchers focus on strikes with a full strike zone and kill the 3/
SobchaksWorldOfPain
batter's petulant whining about whether the ball crossed the plate within the (standing) knee to armpit height range. Faster game. And 4/
SobchaksWorldOfPain
https://official.nba.com/rule-no-13-instant-replay/
JamBarn
There's already a replay rule so no.
SobchaksWorldOfPain
Covers level of foul, whether shooting or not, 2 or 3pt, but no review whether there was actual contact. 1/
JamBarn
Oh shit. Wild.
destinoz
Thrown out for giving him a scare? lol
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destinoz
Completely mistaken about what? The argument here is that one ref called it a malicious act, and everyone else thinks that’s horseshit.
CplSnuggles
The most common belief is that left guy was pretending to get fouled, or just complaining that he didn't get hit and the guy was thrown out
CplSnuggles
anyway. When you talk about the evidence or the fact that it was a faked physical attack, you get downvoted. There was no one saying what
CplSnuggles
you randomly decided everyone was upvoting or thinking, that the ref was right but it's a bullshit call anyway. I counted one person period.
ThomasThundersword
yeah it looked like he was just moving with his turn then saw the guy’s face and pulled back hard to avoid hitting him. wtf call is this
CplSnuggles
It's intentional. Maybe you need martial arts experience, but he convinces the guy with his movements that he's intentionally striking him.
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CplSnuggles
I appreciate the downvotes, morons. You're all wrong as a fucking unit.
MarsIsAfire
Watch it in real time, there's no way you can be sure it's intentional. Sorry.
CplSnuggles
You realize other people are capable of sight, right? Not everyone is blind like you are.
CplSnuggles
Yeah, impossible: "Denver Nuggets guard Austin Rivers was thrown out in the fourth quarter.. against the Indiana Pacers for faking an elbow"
CplSnuggles
If you watch his eyes you can see him aim where he's going to stop the strike short. He then attacks and when he reaches that point, he...
CplSnuggles
switches to deceiving everyone watching. It is some straight psychopath shit, and he's completely remorseless and taking it to Twitter.
BlueWater321
Will0099
I remember when Rodman would elbow guys in the throat when he was on the Pistons… these guys are clown now.
enybi
Tbh I never found watching that kind of bball fun, it just killed all momentum and pace and artifice. However this one wasn't a foul.
Whydidithavetobebees
Charles Oakley would body slam people, Stockton and Malone pick and rolls always came with a riding knee to the nuts
Imadethisaccounttopost
Shit, Bill Lambier was a hockey player in a basketball uniform with how many times he rough fouled.
counterfeitdreams
Pay To Play
XRay0976
Yep! On his way down with a rebound and legs flailing about! It was your fault if you got hit by that! #BadBoys
BednaR
Rodman was a beast. I was about 10yo when my dad showed me some finals with Bulls in. To a small kid from Poland it was crazy. Gladiators!
Skizzlesnap
Back when basketball didn’t suck. Now it’s a bunch of pansies jumping on one team for a championship.
theangryjanitor
Bill lambeir
Jokerthehulk
I remember when everyone hated the pistons
Skizzlesnap
Not the fine people of Detroit. Pistons we’re gods amongst men in that town.
theshinobi23
I remember right now, too.
delheit
pepridge farm remembers
Arock77
I remember when the Pistons would just beat the shit out of whoever they played.
KillingTlme
Physically, never in score.
TacoPuncher
I remember the malice in the palace
bripi
What's the name of that white THUG they had playing? He was an enforcer in every fkn game. Gross-ass b-ball from those arseholes.
PushingPicklez
Bill Laimbeer?
bripi
YEEEESS!!!! Bill was a fucking barbarian, and got away with it for his entire career. He beat the shite out of everyone in the paint.
PushingPicklez
X No Layups
counterfeitdreams
Then don’t be in the paint bitch, you gotta pay to play /s but really the 90’s had it best between the roughness of the 80’s n bitchs of now
lukemwp
Are you saying that the should be allowed to elbow each other in the throats
gestun
Not to speak for the person who commented that, but maybe the current state of the league is a bit of an over-correction.
Phobos613
Didn't know basketball was turning into soccer
vallos
In the usa they play like that...
Seanspeed
Regular season NBA can be painful to watch at times. Playoff basketball is the shit, though.
secretoaster
It's turning into football. And soccer. Meanwhile, the Olympic committee just announced Curling will go full contact.
Mueggi3
In football we have video assistant referee now, this won't happen in football.
MosquitoHawker
Futbol*
JEMbalaya
I blame LeBron
neonoptic
It's been shitty for years now because defense can't actually defend anymore. Gotta just let people shoot the ball pretty much. Garbage.
redheadedkent
Alway has been.meme
GondwanaCraton
If you can't win through skill at the game, win through skill at cheating/acting/flopping/being a jackass.
kwyjiboner
Sports millionaires can afford acting classes.
scroobiusgav
Soccer players literally do this.
TheOneThatGotBanned
if this was soccer, some players would still be rolling from that impact.
thewolfman56
The entire sport of pro basketball is garbage. Boring to watch.
sophware
A shit ton of discussion has happened around this and a lot of people have come down on the side of "let the players play," meaning don't.
JustPissingAgainstTheWindYOLO
You ment football #1 and you're a joker XD
FelixG
If someone flops they should be banned for the remainder of the year, and their team given an L for the match they were playing.
msd3k
At the very least, they should be benched for the remained of the game. Or the next game, if it's only caught later.
UsernameIsTheNewBlack
That's the dream for any sport
bourbonist
What do you mean "turning into"?
PocketFullOfHotDogs
That flopping wasn't a common thing in basketball until about a decade ago, while in soccer its been going on for longer.
VibratingNipples
get in line
MrRogersNeighborhood
Mmh, vibrating nipples.
mattinglyssideburns
It’s football, not soccer
mattinglyssideburns
Gee a few butthurt Americans on the replies
PineappleLoopsBroether
Not butthurt, it’s more like we’re the ones saying no one takes it seriously… if you ask for chips here, we know you want fries, not crisps.
Phobos613
I bet you'd say it's boot not trunk, lorry not truck, tomato sauce not ketchup, turns out diff places have diff words. Who cares?
PineappleLoopsBroether
Chips vs Fries … Crisps vs Chips … potato potato …
PineappleLoopsBroether
American football should just be called tackleball.
ItsBloodyAlbatrossFlavor
Or Commercialball
PineappleLoopsBroether
So… how’d you know the exact sport they were talking about?
cheesypundit
Because it's the only sport ever referred to as that. I also know what sport is meant by "handegg".
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Depends where you live. Don't be an ass.
BecauseIHaveWonAnAward
Except in this case it’s America verses the entire world…
37Nightwing
Thank LeBron...King of Flopping.
Whydidithavetobebees
Dwayne Wade was the king of that
woby83
Fuck Lebron
mistvan
And parker, ginobili, gasol. Shame on them.
CriticalCritic
Don't forget Vlade Divak!
PocketFullOfHotDogs
Let's not forget about Chris Paul's flop against Demarcus Cousins
qbeezy444
Say ure goat but u known for flopping and choking. Not a good argument there Bron.
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
Fax. When was Jordan all floppy?
N0MamesGuey
It’s so much worse than soccer.
Seanspeed
Not even close, but it's bad enough.
FaKwAd
nothing is worse than soccer.
Bimbo5
The NBA is
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Cricket surely is.
KirapkasGergers
Depends there is a modern t20 cricket which is good.
DKB13
T20 is great
DKB13
Haters gonna hate
rezpup
Lost interest in the NBA years ago.
stulfer
Its the best its been in over a decade, parity amongst teams finally. Go ?s
TheSlurmFactory
Only reason I watched it in the last 15 years is because the bucks won the title
surroundedbytwits
Fear the deer! Grew up in WI and been a fan for many years
VibratingNipples
the last time I watched anything NBA related, was Space Jam
Aksuuuh
That's my jam
TheFastpaws
China is their fan base now.
mastertmo
One of the few things my wife and I seriously disagree on - I can't understand at all how *anyone* can be legit interested in any sports.
JamBarn
I have friends who feel this way and I think it's because their personal social development wasn't very good when they were children.
chazzsandiego
If you don't know about Jessie Owens and the 1936 Berlin Olympics.....
mastertmo
Part of it for me is I'm salty over how sports is more important than education in schools in the US. HS football teams are celebrated. /1
mastertmo
Colleges/Universities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on sports teams to get name recognition to attract students. /2
mastertmo
Maybe try spending more on your actual education and attract students actually interested in learning something?
JamBarn
Yeah, and those are out of different budgets. No one is losing education funding over it.
mastertmo
That may be so in their case, but it's not universally so. I played sports as a kid, soccer as a child, volleyball in college and past.
JamBarn
So you played sports for years plus in college but can't understand why anyone would be interested in sports. Okay, chief.
mastertmo
"Watching/Following sports." Sorry I wasn't clear enough. Enjoy your day.
KareemAbdulJabroni
Thrown out??? Wtf, for what exactly, hurt feelings?
Bobgreytheclown
Basketball is going the way of soccer
Metalsmith21
He hit him in the chin with his arm. It may have been accidental but it was contact. It wasn't a brush, his arm went into his chin.
ExPFCWintergreen
Watch the replay in real time and it makes more sense. https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1509336168730488839?t=EhDfDvJZ_rZYIbLUbny3bw&s=19
GondwanaCraton
Ruffled his whiskers. That's expulsion under rule 420 section 69 subparagraph 300. Also Japanese for 'you're welcome.'
MoonPieTown
Do you think he meant to fake an elbow to the face to freak the other player out? If so that's still a douchey move. Not worth an ejection.
Grimmrog
tbh, hard to see for a judge in relatime without repllay, but hey, good to see soccer attitide entered basketball XD
kjbds
No no, the ref fucking reviewed the play and STILL thought it warranted an ejection. That's what makes it so insane
allmj
Exactly they would call it a foul on the floor, then review it from all angles including the one we saw then make the decision
Grimmrog
wow, new meta haircut, long beard and long stiff hair into all directions.
CommentGuru
He feinted a foul; made the defender think he was about to be hit and thus recoil from it.
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CommentGuru
"Feint" means "make a deceptive or distracting movement, especially during a fight." Different from "faint."
lamingtonjoy
Is the other guy allowed to touch him like he is?
narrowsquire
Yes, but the defender's [the other guy] touch/contact isn't allowed to impede the offensive player's movement or to be a grab/hold
JesaraB
It wraps his side and tugs on his jersey, he was holding him.
highhiedyin
Only if he gives consent
clonedeeznuts
Am I watching soccer on a basketball court? What a joke.
MrSpooki
New to the NBA, are we?
clonedeeznuts
Nope. Used to be a fan until they started trying to get Oscars. This is simply on a whole new level even LeBron would be proud of.
RayMC
For jabbing towards him to make him recoil. It doesn’t matter that there was no actual contact.
meskarune
I agree, if he didn't recoil he would have got hit
CplSnuggles
He wouldn't have gotten hit. You can see the guy aim where he's going to stop short before he starts this physical lie.
Phawtin
Is that a foul?
TacoPoweredHelicopter
That can't be a rule....
CplSnuggles
It definitely should be, otherwise people could just throw actual punches and go "I'm not touching you!" at the last second.
demonmike777
Didn't even look like a jab, just maneuvering for a pass. This is a soccer level flop.
CplSnuggles
He aims where he's going to stop. He looks at the point his strike is going to impact, directly as in you see him do that, then strikes.
CplSnuggles
He's just aiming at air in this case, but he aims it the same way you would any other attack.
demonmike777
Even if you're right, considering committing a foul should not be punished the same way as committing a foul.
CplSnuggles
He starts a physical attack and makes it as convincing as he can, then turns it into something innocent. It's like wildly manipulative.
CplSnuggles
From what I can tell, most of you are not empathizing with the people here or like feeling the moment that's happening. You see the whole
CplSnuggles
thing but only actually get a glimpse of it, then judge on what you think 'probably' happened when you could actually know, instead.
CplSnuggles
If this weren't stomped down immediately like-- it's something that people could aggressively abuse and it would be very difficult to police
CplSnuggles
The guy is testing the waters basically to see if he can start hacking.
JustJillyMeh
Surely you're joking. Right?
CplSnuggles
Hey dumbass: "Denver Nuggets guard Austin Rivers was thrown out in the fourth quarter... against the Indiana Pacers for faking an elbow"
CplSnuggles
Don't try to verify this by looking at his eyes and looking for intent, just be a rude bitch instead. That's easier.
mentallychallengeaccepted
The day after my birthday is not my birthday, mom
PapaDeltaXray
Once again, they forgot about J.
Christonabike101
He touched his beard! Lol
Metalsmith21
... and his chin, and the chinbone behind it. May have been accidental but both of them know contact was made.
Knightendae
Right!
OrangeLazarus86
A classic LeFraud move. The Clown LeBraun James has truly changed the NBA. For the better? God no. No never.
DTCarl05
Apparently for a “malicious act” mind blown. https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nba-world-reacts-to-austin-rivers-ridiculous-ejection/amp
RayMC
If he didn’t try to illicit recoil with a fake elbow to the face, he wouldn’t have been tossed out.
DTCarl05
Huh? Nuggets Austin Rivers was tossed out for the elbow. Pacers Lance Stephenson recoiled. You mean Lance should have been tossed?
talynen
The person you replied to's comment reads like they believe the player in white jersey intended to use his elbow to make the other flinch.
talynen
and that this justifies him being thrown out of the game, apparently.
idownvotekittens
By that logic, someone getting crossed over is the same as getting shoved.
otherJeffsarefalseJeffs
Last I check eliciting a reaction without actually touching someone isn’t illegal. And it’s elicit, not illicit. Illicit means it’s illegal.
gardnert
There is a flopping rule, but I don't know if this action would be covered.
otherJeffsarefalseJeffs
It seems like the flopping rule would only apply to the guy that faked getting hit, not the guy that faked throwing an elbow.
beerbellybandit
At normal speed and from a different angle he appeared to elbow the Pacer in the face.
Pyrowolf1
Dude should have done the right thing and told the ref that he didn't actually get hit.
UncleVenoM
They have replay that they seem to use when convenient - seems like it should be used for something like deciding to eject someone?
NoQuestionMarksInDeclarativeSentences
You seem to have used a question mark in a declarative statement. Are you asking me?
beerbellybandit
Seems like you can figure that out yourself?
JustAnotherRandomCommenter
but from this angle it's clear nothing happened. so they penalised the faker for lying and cheating, right? right?
Metalsmith21
There clearly was contact. The arm moved into the beard and was stopped by the chin.
abion47
Are we looking at the same video? Even if there was contact, it was incidental and didn't amount to more than tickling his beard.
RayMC
The refs made the call and there was no lier or cheater.
JustAnotherRandomCommenter
So he thought he'd been elbowed in the face?
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RayMC
Nah, but he didn’t walk up to the refs and say that. I think this is on the refs.
youcanreachmenow
Yea but at this angle and speed clearly there is no contact... is ther Television review in Basketball?
miraclemaxcoc
Flagrant fouls can be reviewed.
ProbablyNotMegatron
They don’t typically review fouls but the player will likely get fined for flopping
Donku83
Flopping? Did you not watch the video? His beard might never recover
TheTallDwarf
I might be wrong but I believe it's only in real time for the refs
tehranosaurusrex
They review all this in slow motion
Gimlan
No you are very wrong. No one gets ejected without a video review
youcanreachmenow
I see, so like Football before they changed the regs
TacoPuncher
Maybe the refs in basketball have a strong union like baseball does. This is why umps still call pitches,even though computers can do it now
bripi
N O P E. The call is the call, unless its out-of-bounds.
Jathine
Negative. I have seen them review flagrant fouls to determine if it is a type 1 or 2 since type 2's ends in ejection.
youcanreachmenow
Very inefficient use of the meagrly available characters, but otherwise thank you for the fantabulous explanation.
bripi
brevity is the essence of efficiency.
Danielmgur
Your sentence has too many long words, Nerd.
Aesiir
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick