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https://ohiohouse.gov/legislation/134/hb327
State Rep. Sarah Fowler Arthur, who co-sponsored the bill, made the comments when explaining to a local news station why she believes that “divisive concepts” should be taught from multiple points of view.
“Maybe you’re going to listen to the perspective of someone from Poland when they were undergoing similar displacement, or when they were being incorporated into the war and to some of these camps."
"Or maybe you’re listening to it from the perspective of a Jewish person that has gone through the tragedies that took place,” she said, describing how a hypothetical lesson that complies with the law could unfold. “And maybe you’ll listen to it from the perspective of a German soldier.” - https://www.jpost.com/international/article-702341
animatronicChristmasChickens
They are struggling with how to not allow "both sides" of Christianity
Bam906
Let's provide both sides of the Holocaust but not teach about systematic racism in our own country... Weird
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Audasity
GET OUT AND VOTE
Stucki84
THERE IS NOT 2 SIDES TO THE HOLOCAUST!
CirB
At this point, is anyone surprised anymore? Even a tiniest bit?
QueenAmy
Tbf, learning how the citizens were turned into monsters is an important lesson to prevent it happening again but that's not y they want thi
Jiquerez
AlwaysUpvoteBunnies
unremarkableasterisk
Bless her heart.
TanithRosenbaum
Gesundheit
jridley
Side A: those evil motherfuckers killed millions. Side B: we're evil motherfuckers who killed millions.
yikesaroni
and a school board in Wisconsin disallowed any books on Japanese-American internment camps if it doesnt have the "government's POV"
fredh67
I don't have a problem with that as long as it's explained why the government's POV didn't justify violating our own constitution.
ReadaNewBook
"German soldier" Ma'am they're called nazis lol
SecretAgentSuperBooger
Republicans walking through the gates of Auschwitz today would ask for context.
HeHeHebieJeebies
Line up the Ohio GOP, turn 70% into prisoners with same conditions for 2 mo. The 30% guards all get shot at the end of the exercise.
NoItsATideUsername
"The Holocaust was really about states' rights"
adognamedpumpkin
“Make Deutschland Great Again”
ElbowDeepInUserSub
"... to commit genocide."
GenesisNynja
Shhhh you’re saying the quiet part out loud
certainlynotaserialkiller
"Ohio: not as bad as oklahoma but we are trying"
thinkybrainpains
ohio.... the original florida
notsteve
I can understanding teaching about regular civilians that ignored the holocaust, supported Hitler, and why they did it. Anyone can 1/2
notsteve
fall for the propaganda, tribe mentality. However, I don't think that there is intention here. No sympathy for Nazis.
JustDriftingAboutTheInterWebs
RetrogradeLlama
JonSnowAKAAegonTargaryen
Define both sides? In Canada we learn why and how the Germans came to believe/how they viewed the holocaust. Under the idea that those who +
JonSnowAKAAegonTargaryen
+ fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. At least in public school. Catholic schools apparently sugar coated a lot....
netflixandwine
That makes sense - also the “other side” could mean listening to Nuremberg trial testimony?
JonSnowAKAAegonTargaryen
It was various sources. Diary entries, interviews, and other such. Not just soldiers and Nazis, citizens too. Occupied and German.
BobsBurgerslurker
They're just letting all their freak flags fly now.
CirB
Asshole flags. Freaky is fine, being an irredeemable blue waffle isn't.
swedeonamoose
If it is about teaching the rise of nazi germany i see no problems with it, buut i dont really trust the Reps there.
whiskeyinbarrels
Ok then, on that premise teaching your children about other religions shouldn't have any backlash. After all, it's a different perspective
TheGralf
And the stork theory of reproduction.
Cryolith
GreaterDog
My stupid ass looking at this like a pie chart
DaNylz
Several sides to understand what was going on - yes - because that's what historical science should do but both sides 1/2
DaNylz
As in "Jews deserved it" - No - That's nazi shit.
fredh67
But is that what they are actually saying? I don't think so. I think understanding the mindset that allowed people to be misled is important
PubstarHero
You should read the bill. I went over all the changed text and unless my brain just decided to check out for the day, I cant find anything>
PubstarHero
that would back up anything that this tweet says. What I do see is them closing the "CRT boogieman" out though while trying to seem not >
PubstarHero
> racist, though this is interesting - "Meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are racist or sexist"
Tomadzo
“It was genocide. We were ordered to march them to the gas chamber and then we picked the gold from their teeth in the ash“. Lesson over
iamrunningoutofideas
*we forced starvation-ration slaves to prise open the mouths of the dead before we burned them, it was easier to get the gold that way
fredh67
Perhaps your understanding is exactly why it should be taught. They were misled through a propaganda campaign, THAT should be taught.
fredh67
So it's more like "our country was devastated, weakened by WWI, bad economy... it was easy to believe the lies..." It's relevant.
Deadmanwalkn
Idk where y'all were taught, but all that WAS taught to me in HS... It's super important to understand the german PoV in this, but that 1/
Deadmanwalkn
doesn't mean be sympathetic to it. Given that, again, it's already taught in HS, I can only assume that's how the GQP pushing this wants it
DamascusFire
Wait surely this works out, because then children will understand how propaganda can turn even a nation of decent people into racists? Idk..
fredh67
That's what I was thinking. It's GOOD to teach it. Why isn't it taught now? I was taught 40 years ago how the German people were misled.
channelranger
If you mean teach children how insidious propaganda can be, that'd be fine, but we know that's not what these nazis mean.
channelranger
"I dunno maybe the jews were asking for it, just consider that before judging the nazis too harshly" I hate this country.
Ronelyn
If the lesson is titled "HOW THE FUCK DID WE LET IT GET THIS FAR???" Then maybe. But...that's not how it'll go. :(
UrGrammasMonkey
I learned both sides. What not to do, and the terrible effect it had. I don't understand this at all.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Exactly, both sides are already taught. One was clearly immoral and wrong, and should continue to be taught that way. I think it's fine /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
to look at the causes, and what primed the German people to accept the atrocities that happened. But it's not fine to teach that it was /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
right from their POV. It was never right. /3
that1guyfromcanada
POLISH PEOPLE WERE NOT RUNNING THE CAMPS OR "INCORPORATED" TO THE CAMPS! They were GERMAN run camps in Poland that slaughtered Gays,...
that1guyfromcanada
...pt 2 Jewish people, travelers & Polish people of influence (Military, Politicians, Musicians, etc). That is the same fucking side!
iamrunningoutofideas
Lots of Germans were sent to the camps, and there was not insignificant Polish cooperation. People were terrible, nationality irrelevant.
that1guyfromcanada
WTF you talking about? Are you really trying to say that Polish people were running German concentration camps in Poland?
BigTex1
I don’t know about the other guy’s point but read up on the Blue Police, the village of Jedwabne, & the village of Gniewczyna Łańcucka.
that1guyfromcanada
Thats different then camps being run by Poles!
iamrunningoutofideas
No, but some Poles sure helped send people to them. I really don't like revisionist history along nationalist lines.
that1guyfromcanada
It was wartime! Of course that would happen. You have an occupying force telling a populous to give up people or we kill your whole family
that1guyfromcanada
You had more Poles lose their lives hiding jews than you did giving up. Theres literally plaques in Poland dedicated to families that hid
ShimmerinStrider
I mean. I get the sentiment. But let's call this what they want it to be. "Let's teach a point of view that promotes genocide."
OrangeLazarus86
You mean Mass Effect 3?
DarthFutuza
*let's use propaganda in school to promote genocide
Julia928
For real. Studying the other side of an inhuman regime is something you do at a high level of education, when you already understand that >
Julia928
a sympathetic account from a German soldier doesn't equate to innocence, not when you're an impressionable kid or teen.
FairyKingOberon
I didn't cover the Holocaust in school thoroughly until high school. I think kids at those ages are mature enough to hear an objective
FairyKingOberon
Version of history to understand why anyone might support the ideals. Maybe not the genocide but everything that led to the genocide
elusivekarma
Former HS teacher - a tiny minority. Not most by far. Or you have to work your ass off as a teacher to get them there.
ShimmerinStrider
We do not need more edgelords in high schools in the country. thank you very much.