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President Trump threatened on Tuesday to unleash “fire and fury” against North Korea if it endangered the United States, as tensions with the isolated and impoverished nuclear-armed state escalated into perhaps the most serious foreign policy challenge yet of his administration.
In chilling language that evoked the horror of a nuclear exchange, Mr. Trump sought to deter North Korea from any actions that would put Americans at risk. But it was not clear what specifically would cross his line. Administration officials have said that a pre-emptive military strike, while a last resort, is among the options they have made available to the president.
“North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States,” Mr. Trump told reporters at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J., where he is spending much of the month on a working vacation. “They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.”
“Will only the U.S. have option called ‘preventive war’ as is claimed by it?” the Strategic Force of the North’s Korean People’s Army, or K.P.A., said in a statement. “It is a daydream for the U.S. to think that its mainland is an invulnerable Heavenly kingdom.”
“The U.S. should clearly face up to the fact that the ballistic rockets of the Strategic Force of the K.P.A. are now on constant standby, facing the Pacific Ocean and pay deep attention to their azimuth angle for launch,” the statement said.
Mr. Trump’s stark comments went well beyond the firm but measured language typically preferred by American presidents in confronting North Korea, and indeed seemed almost to echo the bellicose words used by Mr. Kim. Whether it was mainly a bluff or an authentic expression of intent, it instantly scrambled the diplomatic equation in one of the world’s most perilous regions.
Supporters suggested Mr. Trump was trying to get Mr. Kim’s attention in a way that the North Korean would understand, while critics expressed concern that the American president could stumble into a war with devastating consequences.
“This is a more dangerous moment than faced by Trump’s predecessors,” said Mark Dubowitz, chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a nonprofit group in Washington. “The normal nuanced diplomatic rhetoric coming out of Washington hasn’t worked in persuading the Kim regime of American resolve. This language underscores that the most powerful country in the world has its own escalatory and retaliatory options.”
But Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, said it would be counterproductive. “President Trump is not helping the situation with his bombastic comments,” she said in a statement. Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and chairman of the Armed Services Committee, also took exception. “All it’s going to do is bring us closer to some kind of serious confrontation,” he told KTAR News radio.
North Korea has accelerated its progress toward a working nuclear-tipped missile force since Mr. Trump, who has vowed not to let that happen, took office. Last month, the North successfully tested for the first time an intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the continental United States.
The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that American intelligence agencies have concluded that North Korea has miniaturized a warhead that could fit on top of one of its missiles. The Japanese government also said in an annual threat assessment on Tuesday that “it is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturization of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads.”
But experts said the main problem for North Korea is not miniaturization; the bombs are already judged small enough to fit on a ballistic missile, as a famous picture of Mr. Kim with a warhead seemed to make clear. The real test is whether a warhead can survive the intense heat of re-entry as it plunges through the atmosphere from space, a hurdle North Korea is not believed to have overcome.
The United Nations Security Council unanimously adopted a new sanctions resolution against North Korea over the weekend, the eighth since the country conducted its first nuclear test in 2006. Backers of the resolution said the new sanctions would cut North Korea’s meager annual export revenue by about a third, impeding its ability to raise cash for its weapons programs.
The sanctions ban the import of coal, iron, iron ore, lead, lead ore and seafood from North Korea. They also prohibit United Nations member nations from hosting any additional workers from the North above their current levels. Washington called the restrictions “the most stringent set of sanctions on any country in a generation.”
But strong doubts remain over how rigorously China and Russia, the North’s two neighboring allies, will enforce the sanctions.
Even before Mr. Trump’s comments, North Korea’s militant response to the sanctions on Tuesday was the strongest indication yet that it could conduct another nuclear or missile test, as it has often done in response to past United Nations sanctions.
“Packs of wolves are coming in attack to strangle a nation,” the North Korean statement said. “They should be mindful that the D.P.R.K.’s strategic steps accompanied by physical action will be taken mercilessly with the mobilization of all its national strength,” it added, using the initials for the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Mr. Trump’s “fire and fury” response echoed the kind of language the North Koreans themselves have used in the past. In the last few years, North Korean officials and the government news agency have repeatedly warned the United States and South Korea against any pre-emptive attack, with “sea of fire” a favorite phrase.
At one point, North Korea vowed that “everything will be reduced to ashes and flames the moment the first attack is unleashed”; at another, it vowed to “turn Washington, the stronghold of American imperialists and the nest of evil, and its followers, into a sea of fire.”
This week, after the United Nations vote, North Korea’s state-run Rodong Sinmun newspaper said, “The day the United States dares tease our nation with a nuclear weapon and sanctions, the mainland United States will be catapulted into an unimaginable sea of fire.”
While Mr. Trump’s statement was among the most militant a president has made about North Korea, it may have been aimed as much at Beijing as Pyongyang. By discussing military options, the administration may be trying to convince China and its president, Xi Jinping, that the status quo is dangerous because it risks war.
“It may be a message to Xi Jinping, that you have to be doing more than just sanctions at the U.N.,” said Joseph S. Nye Jr., a Harvard scholar who once ran the American government’s National Intelligence Council. “It may be a very rational, thought-out message,” rather than an emotional outburst, he added.
But after so many warnings of a trade war with China and other belligerent statements, Mr. Trump’s threat will most likely be interpreted by Mr. Xi as “another thumping-the-table” exercise, said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing.
“I guess Xi would not believe it as more than 30 to 40 percent true,” Mr. Shi said of the possibility that Mr. Trump would unleash a nuclear strike on North Korea.
While Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson has kept the door open for talks with North Korea during his travels in the region, other administration officials have said Mr. Trump is being presented with options for war. “The president has been very clear about it,” Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser, said in an interview aired on MSNBC last weekend. “He said he’s not going to tolerate North Korea being able to threaten the United States.”
General McMaster added, however, that the administration would first explore “what can we do to make sure we exhaust our possibilities and exhaust our other opportunities to accomplish this very clear objective of denuclearization of the peninsula short of war.”
In South Korea, some conservative politicians and analysts have called for the reintroduction of American tactical nuclear weapons to establish a “balance of terror” against the North. The United States withdrew nuclear weapons from the South in the early 1990s, but it occasionally sends nuclear-capable bombers and submarines in exercises.
But President Moon Jae-in on Monday warned against military action. “Above all, President Moon emphasized that South Korea can never accept a war erupting again on the Korean Peninsula,” his office said in a statement describing a 56-minute phone call with Mr. Trump. “He stressed that the North Korean nuclear issue must be resolved in a peaceful, diplomatic manner through a close coordination between South Korea and the United States.”
Sauce: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/world/asia/north-korea-un-sanctions-nuclear-missile-united-nations.html
CNN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX7pK53PD2g
FOX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cURY3SEbsn8
khora
Isn't a strike on Guam the opposite of preemptive?
DoseOfScience
Part of me wants this to not end in blood shed. Another part is curious if the US's ABM missiles work as advertised.
InJenius
Kim's only viable option is to strike SK or Japan. He will want to wreak as much havoc as possible once instigated. Trump is a fucking idiot
allthenamesaregone
Trump's calling Kim's bluff, and backing someone like Kim into a corner's probably gonna make him do it. Fucking egotistical morons.
therobisaur
I'd be mad if someone gave me that haircut too.
girAFFHOLE
This is just a distraction orchestrated by Trump and Kim to draw our attention away from their tiny hands.
RenegadeTQ
There will be no "stumbling into a war" with NK; it's an inevitability. The only question is when and how it begins. Pray for Seoul.
grandmastonguekiss
I feel bad for the people born into North Korea. What a shit life! Now their gonna get bombed over their inbred leader.
BobLoblawsLawBlogss
Yeah, not only do they work incredibly hard for very little money and even less food, but now their fat leader is going to get them bombed
lmagine
By another inbred leader no less
CheshirePhoenix
I almost wish NK would actually just blow up the White House and capitol building if only to evict the current crop of shitebags.
RatVegas
Little Boy and Fat Man. The irony.
cantspellmanslaughterwithoutlaughter
They are both rather rotund.
guitarist96
Y'all can say what you want about Trump or Kim however the conditions in North Korea are absolutely atrocious and something needs to be done
kobrakaimf
Bombing the shit out of them will surely make things better.
DinkBott
Does NK actually have nukes? cause i remember the yanks saying the exact same thing about Iraq years ago....
ohitsonlyoli
NK isn't going to attack, The #1 Goal of a totalitarian state like NK is self preservation. 1/
ohitsonlyoli
They know the fire power they are up against. They know it'll be there end if they do attack. They only reason they are advancing their 2/
ohitsonlyoli
Arsenal is so they have (in their mind) a voice at the negotiation table and to give them more weight when they make threats. e.g Guam. 3/
ohitsonlyoli
The real fear is how Brash the man-Child in The white House is going to react to threats. So far he's acting as if it's a pissing contest.
jaimeLannisterIsAlive
Jesus. This is nuts.
applesforjuice
I'm literally leaving for Guam on Saturday... bit it's okay I'm just going so I can work on base
skeanthu
Nuts. This is Jesus.
caudata
spoodermon
its like 2 online players fighting over mic so nothing will happen until you meet that one french guy who flew to us to stab the guy
alonebutihaveadog
Jeez nuts?
lenomdeplume
No, it's just Trump being Trump.His"base" wanted this,someone"unpredictable".Too bad the North Koreans can't selectively target Red states.
AndThenEverybodyClapped
Funny that your comment gets downvoted but the "kill them all" comments about N Korea get upvotes
lenomdeplume
Yeah "funny", in a Trumpish kind of way.
UsernameAttempted
SharksWithLaserBeamsAttatchedToTheirHeads
AnatolianTiger
ObliqueRay
What's nuts is the world let a hellhole like North Korea get to this point. If nothing's done now it'll only get worse, mark my words.
causality
Well, on the upside, if things do kick off they might rid us of Trump and Congress at the same time.
TheAmazingPencil
The world's entire economy rests on the United States. If that kid Kim manages to put a dent in the US the entire world will be fucked.
AverageEverydayPeasant
As well as the entirety of the west coast.
BrothaDarkness
He's on vacation?
AlaskanPipeliner1
His life is a vacation.
thesmelge
How much of his Presidency HAS he spent on a golf course so far? Seems to be most of it.
malfunctionm1ke
PsychRealms
The rants of two fat, crazy, stupid little kids with goofy hair styles!!!!
kattpappan
I did not think this idiocracy would lead to such a immediate doom.
jbilly90
Wtf why fuck north Korea. Little spoiled brat needs to just die already. Then no one will worry about a nuc war
CyriousLordofDerp
Great, we have 2 screaming shitgibbons that each control a nuclear arsenal and are eager to use them. This is the way the world ends.
BeerFueledAdventurer
Shitgibbons. I am now forever in your debt. (Until the bombs go off)
Goddamnitmisterrnoodle
Not with a bang but with _____________
BeerFueledAdventurer
shitgibbons.
Bobhendly
Covfefe
BellCranel
butt sex.
Aikenn
Whimper
rheyaw
Time to stock up some guns and food storage. This is scary.
iamtiredofmakingnewusernames
How much do those bunker busters cost and how soon can we put one through his living room ceiling while he's watching a Friends marathon?
Hoop66
Meanwhile they let loose with 1000s of conventional artillery pieces pointed at Seoul. But it's OK right? As long as the US looks tough.
thesmelge
With modern technology, that would be easy. Pinpoint accuracy on his palace, then accidentally also hit any schools, hospitals or weddings.
thesmelge
Because let's face it, that's just tradition now.
Feckitall
"Oh shit! ISIS is nearly done! Need a new distraction..eh Venezuela? Nah no threat to US... North Korea? Hmmm. Perfect! Get them missiles!"
xinit
Murica
rezpawner
A war with NK is seriously the only way for Trumptard to get his ratings out of the toilet.
kingofusersub
Member when everyone laughed at bernie for sayin nkorea is a serious issue
Kougeru
Lol right? He was right about pretty much everything so far
Lasgo
Nothing***
66dmewd
Like Trump or hate Trump, he didn't start this problem..and at this point I REALLY doubt his "tweets" effect Kim one way or the other.
kingofusersub
Yeah but i would like a president who doesnt tweet
OMFGWhatHaveWeDONE
dogenuggets
There's 43 now.
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
Lol Kim seems like a user sub kind of guy.
66dmewd
I down voted. the title is sooo.. biased. its not even funny.
Kougeru
How do you see that
dogenuggets
Press S
Computar
They threatened Guam because we have bombers stationed there and today we flew those bomber over the Korean Peninsula for joint drills
Computar
Not because of what Trump said
Jlevender72
No
benboy1996
Yes. Go to the white house and deep throat Trump some more bud.
ConfusedLook
DrFawxy
Yep, NK threatens to destroy America and its allies on almost a weekly basis, regardless of who was President at the time
kaboosh5353
But we didnt have a President poking ol Kim Jung with a stick either lol
CKOD
Lol bombers... And 2+ ballistic missile submarines in the Philippine sea that could erase N. Korea totally
TrueNorthernLights
So you're ok with some random city getting hit with a nuclear bomb before you wipe them off the map?
LordIndica
But can that happen before NK does the same to Seoul? Thats the only thing that stops us ending Kim, basically South Korea is a hostage :(
Midgarmerc
Millions could die because of two manchildren that inherited power
Dalumbr
Trump being an idiot clearly isn't helping, but there's a very good chance that it's only accelerated Kim's chance of doing something stupid
AlexDiem
Trump may be a manchild but he didn't inherit his power/position...he was elected.
WyldStallynsRule
He certainly inherited the economic power that got him on anyone's radar to be elected though.
66dmewd
I always find this funny. I don't think people realize how much 10 billion is. Yes his dad gave him a 1 million dollar loan BUT... 1/2
66dmewd
The amount he increased it, would be like me giving yo u$500..and then 25 years later its worth roughly $5.5 million. 1/2
66dmewd
The guy is a really smart investor.. he didn't just "inherit" 10billion.
12rt2345g342563
Trump was elected under the rules that we all abide by. He may be a shitler who was supported by external forces but he still won.
thebakingnudist
Holy shit...this isn't even funny at all. What the fuck is going on with the world right now?
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
Scary shit. Especially since it was reported today that North korea actually has mini nuclear bombs
thebakingnudist
I've been following the news more recently, I read about North Korea and their huge leaps in nuclear tech, but suddenly it's hitting. We're
Computar
In reality it's probably best it comes to a head now before they advance further in nuclear tech.
ConfuseMeThis
Would be nice, but as long as they're puppets used by China and Russia to "keep us in check", it won't happen.
snewsh
Given that lil kim killed all the puppets china had in place, i doubt they will be protecting nk anymore.
thebakingnudist
Dancing around nuclear war. I've got family on Guam too. Fuck. This is insane.
TheInternetShouldHaveAClosingTimeSoICouldSleep
Well I hope their safety isn't truly in danger. Hopefully China will final step in and place hasher sactions.
ducktape50
This is China and Russia's fault. They are responsible for this rogue country and now NK is out of control. The US will protect Japan & SK
d0o0o0d
China doesn't want to go there. If Kim can hit Guam, he can hit Beijing.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
How can a preemptive strike possibly be considered a last resort? It's not a last resort if it happens BEFORE an attack
Sc00ba5teeve
I saw it as: NK fires, we shoot it down, the full force of the US military crushes them to preempt further missiles.
InfamousGerbil
We probably will need to end them before they get the capabilities to nuke the US. Get our Asian allies to invade them while we artillery
nonmiraj
Last resort to stopping a nuclear war which is what this is all about
DrFawxy
As opposed to waiting for North Korea to finally launch the nukes they've been regularly theatening us all with?
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Regularly threatening, yes. And how many times have they actually launched the nukes? In the international community you want to be (1)
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
very clear about what you're doing and why you're doing it (2)
DrFawxy
So you suggest we just sit and wait while North Korea constantly threatens to destroy us all and hope they never follow through
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
before it hits home? (2)
DrFawxy
That's not really an answer. Plus it's South Korea who is most at risk and they don't have an Iron Dome like Israel
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
The US military budget passed morbidly obese several billion dollars ago. And there's nothing in all that that could stop an attack (1)
GlebReawer
NK wants to protect itself, atm M.A.D. is the only way.
StarrryNight
Why shouldn't North Korea preemptively strike the US since the USA is regularly threatening North Korea?
afkalmighty
Holy shit are you trolling or really that dense?
SickSith77
Well until now the us has been involved in more wars and the actual use oc nuclear weapons on civilian targets, kim may be a dipshit , 1/1
SickSith77
But statisticly he is the lesser threat
StarrryNight
Shit are you unable to apply a bit of lateral thinking and see things from their side and understand what a hypocrite you are?
afkalmighty
Believe me when I say Im far more likely to have a better understanding than you of their side and also the other side of their fence
UndeadGopher
I think it's meant as if all other peaceful avenues of denuclearization fall through and an attack is imminent.
questionableanswers
NK won't give up nukes. And objectively seen they need them. Internally to project power, externally to protect themselves against the US.
MinorityOpinion
No, US has never sought to invade N.Korea. N.Korea needs nothing for defence against the US.
grenzdebil
Not sure where the leverage is. NK quit the NPT 15 years ago, where is the justification?
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Maybe? I mean that's a good thought, but a preemptive strike is also not the last resort of peace, it's the first resort of violence
UndeadGopher
Semantics.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
I disagree. The last resort of peace means it is still a peaceful measure. Bombing somebody is not peaceful
UndeadGopher
If my original guess at what they meant was correct, then you are indeed arguing semantics.
AddictiveTendancies
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down...
PeregrinTook13
YOU CALM THE FUCK DOWN! I DON'T GET RILED! HE DOESN'T GET RILED AND NEITHER DO I!
StarrryNight
I'm so glad the fate of millions of people is in the hands of a pair of petulant fucking toddlers.
mynamesbryson
Media hype up isn't helping...
CuccoChaser
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
As a soldier I've been training for the KPA mission for years. I've been to war before. I'd gladly do it again to dethrone this asshole
alsoAzrael
As a former Marine, same here. I'd get on a bus in an instant if they called me. But I fear that wouldn't actually solve the problem.
Slorpthegillman
The asshole in Pyongyang... Or the one in DC?
DeviousLuxray
Which
mynamesbryson
No you haven't...wtf are you talking about bro?
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
Afghanistan twice. Fuck off
mynamesbryson
Great, I've been there too. You made it sound like you've been training strictly for a NK mission.
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
I have...
necovex
I'm a part of the Korean idiot watch force. I'm terrified of war with North Korea. Most won't come home from it
biolologist
I hope you're referring to Trump...
questionableanswers
You do realize that if there is a war it's strictly to distract from Trumps failures at home? NK won't attack anyone without provocation.
The2020ElectionWasStolen
Failures at home? LMAO. Trying that old ploy are you?
JelsusKingoftheJels
what did dethroning sadaam hussein achieve? anything good? over 10 yrs later, over 1 million dead. people still dying. war is not the answer
ScrotusMcgoatus
War never changes...
DeadHamster
The nature of war does
MinorityOpinion
I disagree.
onomatopoiea42
I love fallout but not enough to play it in real life.
ThatGoingForMe
I appreciate your willingness to sacrifice for the greater good but if nuclear war breaks out there won't be a Korea left to invade.
Osarphi
There won't be shit to invade at all. Or invaders, for that matter
Bwentos
As someone who lives on the west coast near a relatively big city, I'd rather not have anyone slinging nuclear weapons at me...
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
Nuclear weapons are 1940s technology...it's not hard if you have the resources
grenzdebil
A guided missile or an ICBM is another story. And there huge differences regarding efficiency - modern bombs are more powerful.
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
Exactly. That's why we have to get rid of it right now.
Bwentos
Even if they are shitty and likely to fail.
AddictiveTendancies
I get that and thank you for your service, but a nuclear war isn't what anyone wants... Trump needs to dial it down. All Kim Jung wants is..
Krankenwagen606
What the fuck do you know? Are you privy to the intel he gets? NK has miniaturized nukes capable of fitting on their ICBMs , they have 60.
MediocreStories
A bigger penis
MinorityOpinion
A war is not de facto a nuclear war.
Krankenwagen606
They have said over and over again that they WILL strike the US. Do we have to wait till SF is a smoldering heap?
Merced
Why do you people think we are going to let him launch a nuke ? Or even need to use a nuke on them ?
AddictiveTendancies
to stay in power. He fucks around with anyone and he knows he'd get erased from the earth. He ain't preemptively doin shit except slow clapn
Memeceptioningintensifies
Unless he is backed into a corner with nothing to lose
grandmastonguekiss
I'm not sure he knows. People start believing their own hype. In his country he is treated like a God. I wouldn't be surprised if believed i
NewToTheEnterwbs
They feign love so they don't get killed or worse. Since tech boom they are aware of their situation and the truth about S Korea and USA
georgecostanzalatexsalesman
Stay in power and develop long range nuclear weapons
AddictiveTendancies
Yea, to become a major player on the world stage. Problem? Yes! But not to the extent everyone is freaking out about it. Cool heads prevail.
ScrotuclesTheBallbearian
I hope you are right. In fact I pray that you're right.
AddictiveTendancies
This is the word from DIA (who got WMDs wrong about Iraq) and not general consensus from all US intelligence agencies...
Krankenwagen606
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-miniaturized-nuclear-warhead-missile-2017-8
phobes
This isn't news. The Washington Post released the information recently specifically to start a frenzy, but it's been known since 2013 →
phobes
https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/obstacles-deliverable-north-korean-nuclear-warhead