My uncle would say that, "democrats started slavery" like it waves a magic wand and excuses all the horrible things republicans are doing right now. Then he ignores the fact that republicans are literally trying to bring back slavery and every other horrid ism from olden times
Guess ol' Nick doesn't know Trump's Daddy ran w the KKK. There are pics! And both Trumps refused to rent their properties to blacks in NY. Black people in America who support T really need to get their heads on straight. He is the biggest RACIST around!!!!
so then hypothetically if i changed my name to albert einstein i would get credit for what he did? just because there was a thing in the past called the same name as a thing now doesn't mean they are the same thing. FFFS. LOOK. LISTEN. THINK.
The party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws or any state legislation by which the rights of citizens hitherto accorded to immigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.
Liberal insanity? No, the 1860 republican official platform position.
Yeah, former Confederates created the Ku Klux Klan and their first Grand Wizard, Nathan Bedford Forrest along with several of his supporters infiltrated the 1868 Democratic Primary convention and swayed it's platform to focus on white supremacy and that the US was a "White Man's Country."
But, that Ku Klux Klan died out by 1874 thanks to the efforts of the Grant Administration. The 2nd Klan, which arose in 1915, was a completely different beast and not centered around a specific party.
It was still a white supremacist organization, but it completely discarded the Anti-Union, Anti-Republican stance of it's predecessor. Instead, it was a firmly nationalist entity that promoted "America First," and that the US was a country solely for white, Christian Protestants, and that Catholics, Jews, People of Color, Immigrants, Socialists, and Feminism were threats that had to be stopped.
My answer to these chucklefucks I always. Which party is making up the clan today? If we go to a clan rally will we see Trump bumper stickers or Kamala ones? The will do a gold medal mental gymnastics routine to avoid answering
You should look up when he was saying something intellectually cogent while quoting and cosplaying, louis farrakhan. I think it was in his own podcast.
And that the Republicans have now elected the guy who was leading the racist "Birther" movement against him? And who has removed DEI programs from the govt? And removed black and female historical figures from govt websites? How dumb do you have to be to think they're the "good guys" because of something a party with the same name did over 150 years ago??
Historically true, as Lincoln was a Republican. And yes, the KKK were all Dixiecrats, right up until President Lyndon B Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. Then they all bailed to the other party in a blind rage.
Was Nick Cannon even born yet when the Dixiecrats went Republican? Yeah I seriously doubt it. So unless he's over 60, all his entire life, the KKK have been Republicans meaning he's just full of fucking shit.
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, ran in the presidential primary in 1988 and his best showing was 2% of the vote, so he switched affiliations to the GOP afterwards. That's about all you need to know.
The question doesn't really make sense because the points of contention weren't similar enough. Free Market capitalists and fundamentalist Christians weren't always hand in hand. It wasn't even rural v city. It was more rich v poor than it is now in the narrative.
Somewhat progressive during Lincoln time, but started to go heavily "conservative" through the mid 20th century until now. Key points of reference would be the Civil Rights movement, Nixon, Reagan, during the Clinton administration up through his impeachment and the 2000 election, escalating through the 9/11 attacks and subsequent associated wars, and extremely off the rails when we decided to elect a black man.
"The shift in ideology between the Democratic and Republican parties was not an overnight event, but rather a gradual transition that occurred over the mid-20th century, largely starting with the New Deal era in the 1930s. It was cemented by the 1960s civil rights movement, with ideological realignment finalizing by the late 20th century."
This. It was not a "switch", the parties didn't just wake up one morning and decide to turn their ideologies on their respective heads, it was decades of gradually drifting to one far wing of their own party (Democrats went left, so Republicans went right) because that was what helps win elections and hold power in a fractured two-party "first past the post" electoral system as the older systems of more geographic ideology (North vs South) began to lose relevance.
It takes like... 2 seconds to look up a map of Democrats at that time.
Yes, the party was the Democrats at that time, but they were also in the same states the Republicans are now. The name changed, but the people remain the same.
Basically, people were kicked out of THEIR OWN PARTY, switched sides, and over the slow decay of time, things are right beck to where they were, except with different names.
Cannon's basic claim here exploits nominal continuity (same party names) while ignoring ideological discontinuity. It's the equivalent of saying today's Democrats deserve credit for FDR's New Deal regardless of how much the party has changed. This leverages the same deep intellectual dishonesty we can expect from this type of regurgitated ruling class propaganda. It uses emotionally potent, selectively true statements bypassing critical reasoning to produce a false overall impression.. Shameful.
People don’t seem to be taught about the party switch. If people learn about the party switch they need to be taught about the values of each party before and after the switch also
I was taught about the shift in school (briefly touched upon during middle school and then elaborated on in high school during US History), but then again, I went to school in CA. I imagine that certain moments of history are glossed over or ignored in the states that don't put as much value in education, and even then, there are some kids who just don't pay attention even if they are taught, and then say they were never taught certain things in school.
That is actually a thing I’ve encountered online & in the news. I forget who exactly but they argued that if such a switch happened why isn’t it taught in schools and asked why it would’ve happened.
Because Strom Fucking Thurmond was still goddam alive, that's why it wasn't taught in schools. Now that the fucker is finally dead maybe we can update a textbook. Fucking POSTER CHILD for the ideological switch. And anybody who claims not to know that - go ask mommy and daddy, they fucking knew it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
Brand new account dribbling nonsense. Funny how it's exclusively conservatives who engage in this behaviour, almost as if they're characteristically dishonest little shits.
It's understandable that you don't really understand what you're talking about considering that you're just reading off a sheet of talking points handed to you by your boss at the troll farm.
Okay, here's an easy question: Why are all the democrats the ones trying to remove the names and faces of confederate traitors from public spaces? Why remove statues and base names etc all if they're heroes to leftists?
Or are you gonna admit the people waving confederate traitor flags and fighting to keep confederate traitors in places of honor are conservatives?
IronMagnus
Which part today flies the confederate flag. It's not that hard to see where things lay.
IHateItH3r3
My uncle would say that, "democrats started slavery" like it waves a magic wand and excuses all the horrible things republicans are doing right now. Then he ignores the fact that republicans are literally trying to bring back slavery and every other horrid ism from olden times
Teratoid
As if he'd even recognize half of his kids let alone be competent to assist with homework to anyone above 2nd grade.
thatwoodguy
Donald Trump's dad and Donald Trump too wouldn't have rented to this guy if not for the ACLU
Grimlinnan
Nick Cannon: Definitely in the Epstien Files.
MarkSoupial
"People don't know" (thing everyone knows)
morninggloryshade777
Guess ol' Nick doesn't know Trump's Daddy ran w the KKK. There are pics! And both Trumps refused to rent their properties to blacks in NY. Black people in America who support T really need to get their heads on straight. He is the biggest RACIST around!!!!
UserNumberThree
so then hypothetically if i changed my name to albert einstein i would get credit for what he did? just because there was a thing in the past called the same name as a thing now doesn't mean they are the same thing. FFFS. LOOK. LISTEN. THINK.
Unfortunate500
The party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws or any state legislation by which the rights of citizens hitherto accorded to immigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.
Liberal insanity? No, the 1860 republican official platform position.
terronium12
People don't know this, people don't know that. Meanwhile, you don't know a damned thing yourself.
JackieTreehornProductions
*SIGH* this bs again!? Learn your history https://www.history.com/articles/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Someone ought to tell this republican trump sucking bitch that he is actually a democrat.
newsguycraigevans
AmandaMontagne
Yeah, former Confederates created the Ku Klux Klan and their first Grand Wizard, Nathan Bedford Forrest along with several of his supporters infiltrated the 1868 Democratic Primary convention and swayed it's platform to focus on white supremacy and that the US was a "White Man's Country."
But, that Ku Klux Klan died out by 1874 thanks to the efforts of the Grant Administration. The 2nd Klan, which arose in 1915, was a completely different beast and not centered around a specific party.
AmandaMontagne
It was still a white supremacist organization, but it completely discarded the Anti-Union, Anti-Republican stance of it's predecessor. Instead, it was a firmly nationalist entity that promoted "America First," and that the US was a country solely for white, Christian Protestants, and that Catholics, Jews, People of Color, Immigrants, Socialists, and Feminism were threats that had to be stopped.
Goatfer
Guy who attended Diddy parties until 2022, sides with sex offenders. Shocking...
INeverReadTheTOS
So he got ousted as a POS and IMMEDIATELY went into “pander to dumb racists” mode. Gotta at least give him this: it’s tried-and-true.
DangerBaer
Once more, I find myself asking "Do I even want to know what he did?".
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
A lot of schools in the US cut US history. For some reason.
Iblamemyparentstoo
justfillingthespace
Nick, I'm not saying this with any malice in my heart. And I'm only going to say it one time.
They will not remember this when they feed you to their dogs.
AlmostClever
Barjack
My answer to these chucklefucks I always. Which party is making up the clan today? If we go to a clan rally will we see Trump bumper stickers or Kamala ones? The will do a gold medal mental gymnastics routine to avoid answering
DangerBaer
👈😎👈
PresldentClef
Cant wait for leopards to get fat on his face...
beez428
It's okay, he's been promised the nicest tree
DYLANLEE79
Is his head pointy?
DangerBaer
Hoods'll do that.
Styxwash
Yea it looks very odd
Sebastopol140
Yes, and also empty.
GarmBlack
Annnnd THIS, is why we teach American history! The Republicans hate it for a reason.
cgt9803
If you have to reach back 150+ years for something good, your party is a piece of shit.
iRecommendBooks
Couldn't figure out how to make a "the 90s were 20 years ago" joke out of this
somewhatparanoidpanda
This. Also when someone pulls this I reply, Awesome! so we both support liberal ideals and condemn right wing policies.
GanjalfTheGray
And Nick Cannon doesn't know US history.
Shocking.
Misteree8
You should look up when he was saying something intellectually cogent while quoting and cosplaying, louis farrakhan. I think it was in his own podcast.
MireLurkKing
Or how contraception works.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Not even history, did he forget that the democrats are the ones that voted in the first black president, twice?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
And that the Republicans have now elected the guy who was leading the racist "Birther" movement against him? And who has removed DEI programs from the govt? And removed black and female historical figures from govt websites? How dumb do you have to be to think they're the "good guys" because of something a party with the same name did over 150 years ago??
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Kenbamazingbutprobablywontbe
Completely different party's but ok. Interesting flex.
rydecker
Yes...like, I would be happy to have either Bush in office now, compared to the asshat DJT
blaghart
so different they vote almost identically:
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Wow that’s some wild cherry picking
blaghart
yea so cherry picked I can keep citing examples: https://www.quorum.us/data-driven-insights/may-2018-congressional-activity-report/ that's a report on the Democrats having been voting for what Trump wanted in 2018 more than they voted for what Dubya wanted after 9/11, when it was political suicide to oppose his policies.
Columbus43219
There's a quick comeback to this: "If you took a Klan member from 1950 and brought him forward to today, which party would he join?"
DonL9
Hey, easy there, we have enough problems with Nazis now.
TapiocaMartini
How many klan members do you think voted for Kamala?
thelastmelt
The KKK was a multi level marketing scam too, so he’d be part of the grift: trump
CraftyGiant
David Duke and the KKK newspaper both endorsed Trump. But I'm sure that's concidence.
GroverKerr
We don't have to time travel, the current KKK supports Republicans.
Columbus43219
lol, so true.
spontaneous9
Historically true, as Lincoln was a Republican. And yes, the KKK were all Dixiecrats, right up until President Lyndon B Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. Then they all bailed to the other party in a blind rage.
Was Nick Cannon even born yet when the Dixiecrats went Republican? Yeah I seriously doubt it. So unless he's over 60, all his entire life, the KKK have been Republicans meaning he's just full of fucking shit.
doodlydoofus
Nick Cannon? Full of shit? Preposterous.
SledgeRipley
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, ran in the presidential primary in 1988 and his best showing was 2% of the vote, so he switched affiliations to the GOP afterwards. That's about all you need to know.
ElasticFireCracker
You can thank Strom Thurmond for migrating the Dixiecrats to the republican party.
Broken08
We're the Republicans at that time right or left?
PlatypusLancer
The question doesn't really make sense because the points of contention weren't similar enough. Free Market capitalists and fundamentalist Christians weren't always hand in hand. It wasn't even rural v city. It was more rich v poor than it is now in the narrative.
MireLurkKing
Somewhat progressive during Lincoln time, but started to go heavily "conservative" through the mid 20th century until now. Key points of reference would be the Civil Rights movement, Nixon, Reagan, during the Clinton administration up through his impeachment and the 2000 election, escalating through the 9/11 attacks and subsequent associated wars, and extremely off the rails when we decided to elect a black man.
FrancsTireur
Worth noting that at the time of Lincolns election they were less than a decade old and had only contested one previous election.
MireLurkKing
Sorry a Black man with a funny sounding name.
WillemHellfire
Oh, you mean that muslim guy. /s
Nukls
"The shift in ideology between the Democratic and Republican parties was not an overnight event, but rather a gradual transition that occurred over the mid-20th century, largely starting with the New Deal era in the 1930s. It was cemented by the 1960s civil rights movement, with ideological realignment finalizing by the late 20th century."
threepotatoesinatrenchcoat
A lot of people do associate it with a sudden switch after Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill, though
CheesecakePi
This. It was not a "switch", the parties didn't just wake up one morning and decide to turn their ideologies on their respective heads, it was decades of gradually drifting to one far wing of their own party (Democrats went left, so Republicans went right) because that was what helps win elections and hold power in a fractured two-party "first past the post" electoral system as the older systems of more geographic ideology (North vs South) began to lose relevance.
twinkwtp
It takes like... 2 seconds to look up a map of Democrats at that time.
Yes, the party was the Democrats at that time, but they were also in the same states the Republicans are now. The name changed, but the people remain the same.
PlatypusLancer
But if you had to put a year on it, Civil rights act driving the white supremacists into one party in 1964.
Sticklebrickk
Basically, people were kicked out of THEIR OWN PARTY, switched sides, and over the slow decay of time, things are right beck to where they were, except with different names.
Zalm
Always mention Storm Thurman and the Southern Strategy
jsg6228
Two words: southern strategy. Nixon started the shift
NChomsky
Cannon's basic claim here exploits nominal continuity (same party names) while ignoring ideological discontinuity. It's the equivalent of saying today's Democrats deserve credit for FDR's New Deal regardless of how much the party has changed. This leverages the same deep intellectual dishonesty we can expect from this type of regurgitated ruling class propaganda. It uses emotionally potent, selectively true statements bypassing critical reasoning to produce a false overall impression.. Shameful.
MajorasTerribleFate
Just what I'd expect from the Party of Theseus.
xeoxion
That entailed reading, comprehension and critical thinking.
That’s a big wishlist for 30% of the country
DaHayHay
Feels like 30% is too low.
xeoxion
22-28% of Americans are illiterate depend on sources
Sprocks59
People don’t seem to be taught about the party switch. If people learn about the party switch they need to be taught about the values of each party before and after the switch also
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
I think it’s taught in school. I was taught it. If not, pretty available information.
datphone777365
Its taught, its just not absorbed.
JustFeedMePieDammit
I'm pretty sure they're just pretending they don't know about it
AndrlCh
I was taught about the shift in school (briefly touched upon during middle school and then elaborated on in high school during US History), but then again, I went to school in CA. I imagine that certain moments of history are glossed over or ignored in the states that don't put as much value in education, and even then, there are some kids who just don't pay attention even if they are taught, and then say they were never taught certain things in school.
crazyspelling
No school I went to spent more than a week on anything more recent than WWII. Cowards were unwilling to teach "current events."
horsetuna
Even if you tell them, I've been told it's fake news.
Sprocks59
That is actually a thing I’ve encountered online & in the news. I forget who exactly but they argued that if such a switch happened why isn’t it taught in schools and asked why it would’ve happened.
horsetuna
Even if it was they probably would deny it
thedarklord187
didn't the Epstein file emails reveal that all of the US school textbook companies were owned by ghilsains Maxwell's father..?
crazyspelling
Because Strom Fucking Thurmond was still goddam alive, that's why it wasn't taught in schools. Now that the fucker is finally dead maybe we can update a textbook. Fucking POSTER CHILD for the ideological switch. And anybody who claims not to know that - go ask mommy and daddy, they fucking knew it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
Soupofthenight
No. The republican party was founded as anti slavery and has always been. The DNC is the one that shifted from pro slavery to anti
Zeeall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q954LxEzyY8
4etherling
Fuck off Mars
Emjayen
Brand new account dribbling nonsense. Funny how it's exclusively conservatives who engage in this behaviour, almost as if they're characteristically dishonest little shits.
PennysWorthOfTea
It's understandable that you don't really understand what you're talking about considering that you're just reading off a sheet of talking points handed to you by your boss at the troll farm.
Iblamemyparentstoo
killergrooves85
Account created today. Spent all day crashing out. I spot some untreated mental illness.
rotinaj
Nice anon burner account
Trankia12
Except nowadays they’re pro slavery. They just don’t say that out load.
Soupofthenight
Or have they ever said that
Trankia12
Republicans want anyone who’s not a white Christian male to be either slaves or dead.
Soupofthenight
INeverReadTheTOS
The Republican-dominated US government literally just voted against recognising slavery as a human rights violation. Like, mere days ago.
Soupofthenight
Was that a house resolution or did it come from the Senate?
magewareinc
You are the exact person being shown here. The exact person who doesn't read, doesn't understand, and doesn't care about history or context.
Soupofthenight
Typical revisionist leftist
MyProfileIsIrrelevant
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1ZDBqZ2ZibG9sbHkwaHZtZGI5bThzODFzMmRlbWxseTA1NXVmcmJlcCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ACEWc4xcm2B1u/200w.webp
magewareinc
Okay, here's an easy question: Why are all the democrats the ones trying to remove the names and faces of confederate traitors from public spaces? Why remove statues and base names etc all if they're heroes to leftists?
Or are you gonna admit the people waving confederate traitor flags and fighting to keep confederate traitors in places of honor are conservatives?
Gtfo with this weak ragebait bullshit.
Soupofthenight
Yes. Reomve all trace of traitors who fought against teh US. Strip all native names and statues and burn them to teh ground. Losers!