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Atomsk
Soon they can build a wall from deceased government employees...
marinate1016
r/politics
sf111
That might actually work
Sokonomi
I say we put walls around all the schools.
thereallurker123
I went to high school with this dude. A dude from a predominantly republican state throwing some shade. Gotta love it.
csullivan
CountryMetal01
Except that they banned thoughts and prayers from all public schools, those gun free zone signs have always been a prime target
Khrome
How about instead of a wall.. we dig a pit with spikes and or alligators..with lasers
jjwk544
Every school I went to was surrounded by at least a fence and had at least one armed cop on campus.
PatrikLilja
I have never been at a school with a fence, or a security guard, neither armed or unarmed. Where do you live?
somadicouldspitfire
LMAO this is the first valid argument I've seen for the border wall LMAO
itsahorse
Can't they just hire thousands of people that do a worse job than the hundreds of people who did it before? Like TSA?
DonaldTrump
Oh it’s one of these, where if you accept either implied premise it falls apart and makes the author look stupid to everyone.
BlackElkSpeaks
thesmelge
I just finished reading a fantasy book. At one point they talk about securing their border with a wall. 1/?
thesmelge
They instantly dismiss it as impractical because people will just go over, under or around it. 2/2
MrBoogerPig
Protect our borders AND schools with impenetrable walls? Got it. No ones getting in either.
startofjourney
make sense!
Clockworkdancerobot
They're much cheaper.
GeauxGhoti
Obviously, you haven't been to church in a while.
Mechlai
Worthless
DavidBrooker
McConnel would still block it
PlusHooks
Only after a lunch rich in lettuce, bugs, and maybe Trump feeds him food pellets.
MrBEC
Side note: Prayer helps Spirituality, not Physical activity, you can't pray to God the Spirit and expect a Jetski. Now you know
KinetoPlay
Side side note: Prayer is no more effective than the placebo effect.
rubyredxx
Side Note: Prayer is bullshit but if it makes YOU feel better, go for it.
CrabOfThePeople
If cost is the primary concern why not simply nuke the entire southern border? The radiation there will certainly kill anything passing by.
rubyredxx
Then use undesirables and criminal citizens to clean the land up? Perhaps call it "Colonizing" the area? The Colonies for short?
Clockworkdancerobot
Nukes cost far more. Russia isn't selling them cheap anymore.
CrabOfThePeople
Fuck it, lets call putin and tell him to nuke us.
BEARofVALHALLA
You know "thoughts and prayers" are just one cultures way of saying "I hope you get better" or "my condolences " right?
GaryFreakingOak
QuiteHugeMegaPlusUltra
A wall of garbage would have even more chances
RickSanchezC420
DinoKebab
Tis what we do in the UK too. Cut Police numbers down to the bone because only thoughts & prayers truly save us from terrorism and crime.
WatsonRaymes
No the UK is a holy place that can do no wrong, & must constantly tell americans over the internet how to run their country just like theirs
WatsonRaymes
Oops, I triggered Jerry
tomyironmane
Well, we'd use guns to protect both, but you squealed like a virgin bottom when we suggested it.
hugozaanen101
projecting your own homosexual desires, you have a very big brain.
tomyironmane
... it helps when you argue in complete thoughts. Use your words.
hugozaanen101
These are full words fucko
tomyironmane
Well then I expect you to either say "thank you" and be on your way... or grab a rifle and stand a post.
tomyironmane
Either way, I don't give a damn what you think.
WicKeR83
"We're 21 weeks into 2018, and there have already been 23 school shootings where someone was hurt or killed." Protected huh?
Miskyavine
also its january 2019 i dont know if your confused or not.
Miskyavine
does that count the teachers suicide that happened in a bathroom or the other suicide that happened in a abandoned school parkinglot?
schocker28
Yes it does
tomyironmane
Of course. How else theygonna pad their numbers? It includes any shooting where school assets or employees were tangentially involved too...
InternetAnonymityplz
People use dumb kids bringing a BB gun and shooting their friend in the face in a lot of those shock value statements, so sauce plz.
lysani
Sometimes they also include any incident that happens within a certain radius of the school, even if it's unrelated to the school itself.
tomyironmane
Or if there was a school vehicle near the line of fire or a school employee involved. Sauce.
Wor3q
Hey, it works for Poland! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/world/europe/poland-rosary-border-prayer.html
SharkyMcSnarkface
To be fair Poland has a shit ton of wizards and stuff.
e102beta1
So you're saying we should protect our schools with...guns?
DiabolicalStench
No, we should protect out schools with walls
NoSandalsAllowed
No, it’s ascam to build walls around schools!
TrikStari
It's almost as if security is a thing that requires physical actions and objects.
SexyBananaBaby
Gasp, this person spoke about real stuff! Be gone, your facts hurt people!
evilcarp
If everyone has a gun pointed at them all the time there will be less crime. Real simple.
ThailandExpress
skydivingbigfoot
"Very weapons talented"
youngmountaingoat
As a Brit can I just ask.. are you actually going to build a wall? Is that actually going to happen?
SexyBananaBaby
One can only hope.
HighImpactSexualViolence
probably not. If we do, it's going to be a massive waste of money going into whichever construction company senators just bought stock in.
tinyfootprints
Not if we can stop it. About 2/3 of Americans do NOT want the wall. And almost all of us don't want to pay for it.
Lambdafish1
How did you make that leap? Clearly they are saying schools should be protected by a wall
ILoveMeAGoodTime
Pretty sure some of the border is also protected with guns.
01100110
Stopping those drug we outlawed. So making guns illegal will work just like that? I get it now.
MadCDeeJay
Build a Wall around Schools and make the students pay for it!
pronoun
Trump did suggest arming teachers.
01100110
But walls don't work. (Unless they're around the house of the rich democrat telling you that, then they're ok)
ThatUsernameHasAlreadyBeenChosenAndlsNoLongerAvailable
Yes. The obvious dolution to having too many guns is to use more guns
Wor3q
Make teacher have a gun, so he'll be first one to die before attacker kills unarmed children...
cakeisprettygood
Imagine applying for being a teacher and being told you may have to shoot a student
Wor3q
Imagine applying for school security and being told the same. What's the difference? Can't fight violence with more violence...
cakeisprettygood
Because security's job involves violence, a teacher shouldnt have to
01100110
Imagine applying for being a teacher and being told you may be shot by a student
cakeisprettygood
Yes, imagine that
InternetAnonymityplz
Why do politicians think it's cool to post snarky shit on Twitter like the rest of us monkeys? You have real problems to solve, be an adult
ourari
It's a way to communicate with your supporters without having a pesky fact-checking filter like the watchdog press in between.
TrashTheEstate12
He can't solve gun violence because of America's retarded gun laws so he may as well post snarky comments about it
Jandegrote
You say it as if the american politicians are really trying to solve shit.
01100110
They have to do whatever makes them look current & informed. Even if it proves them stupid. Yeah, I'm talking to you AOC
OrangeFlavours
Uh... well your government is shut down, right? So what exactly else is he doing?
InternetAnonymityplz
I know it's misleading but 'shut down' really only applies to some 'non-essential' personnel. He should be busy fixing the budget, instead
InternetAnonymityplz
of spending time on Twitter being queen bitch
OrangeFlavours
I think at 8PM he's already gone home for the day dude.
UmmThatCantBeRight
I'd guess it's difficult to act like an adult if you're not working with adults.
obijan
Yeah! He HAS TO call women fat and insult world leaders on Twitter! It makes the country great again and has nothing do with penis envy!
arpinas
No it's not. He's in charge of his own actions.
Blyatbob
If Trump cared about protecting the border he wouldn't have kept the fed. gov shut down so long that includes border guards and coast guard
01100110
You do know he CAN'T open the govt until the house & senate give him something to sign right?
nauds
There were very few if any school shootings 20 years ago when i was in school. Less gun laws back then too, so what changed?
flavivsaetivs
Actually there were more. The "Assault Weapons" bill was in place at that time.
ElTitoMojito
Perspective. Some dude blew up a school a hundred years ago. People just like to act like their time is the end of days
johnthehuman001
Columbine was literally 20 years ago.
Rczzgjvfrjvfdhjdsyun
Oh wow guess his statement was completely false then....
Barkinsons
Columbine happened. The media feedback was so big that we briefly had shootings in Europe too. Now it's a way to gain notoriety
cpnbeeb
Relevant youtube ahead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-D3YoW3Hxg
TobySomething
Once they became a phenomenon you got a lot of copycats. The media should report on it more responsibly
undungubungu
Angry teenagers found out they could use guns to more easily direct their rage at the people they hated.
Satou10
Culture for one
Layinginbed
Drs. hand out psychological meds like candy, break down of the family structure,unstable home life,children aren't taught coping skills, etc
lysani
Oversaturation of news coverage and ease of access to information through social media are things that have contributed to it.
LittlemissEm
Theres fewer school shootings now than in the 1990's but we hear about them more now social media etc. So no correlation in what you said.
SamArt53
This is a tough one for me. When someone I know has a bad thing happen I want to tell them something like this - but I’m 0% religious...
SuburbanCommando
What if I'm totally super religious but also a garbage person in every aspect of life? Can I say it then?
SamArt53
Sure. SOME religious people I know are the biggest hypocrites you’d ever meet!
SuburbanCommando
It's not very Godly to be a liar!
Spidey209
Belief has 0% effect on whether or not the thoughts and prayers do anything.
rubyredxx
Prayers have 0% effect too!
fleacollerindustry
Even as a religious person (however slight), knowing someone is there to be there for me at my worst is better than "thoughts & prayers"
Qabalinho
Eh, a lot of times, someone going through something bad doesn't need sympathetic words, they just need you to be there for them.
SuperIncoherentRantingMan
Thoughts aren't specifically religious. Give them your thoughts on drive-thru BBQ, it may help.
xdvgx
Go full new age dork - "sending good vibes your way"
SamArt53
so I say or write (in a card), my thoughts are with you. I wonder if really religious people are wondering why I don’t say T&P.
Wizardicus
No we aren't.
calluSparkleSmasher
No, anybody religious or not is probably just touched that you care. You're a top dude/dudette
IMissZach
I think what you say sounds sincere. That’s what’s important. How others take it is not your problem.
ThermoNuke
They don't. Just thankful you care.
Cowmatt
As a relegious person, I would be wondering if you really were praying or just lying to me if you said T&P. Writing thoughts is perfect
AtypicalMammal
You're doing better than me. I just say "wow, that sucks"
SamArt53
LMAO
SamArt53
Or, “Damn. Hey, it could be worse, it could’ve happened to me.” JK
DirkNurple
If you put this level of thought into it whatever you say will be right. You sound like you’re generally empathetic. +1
SamArt53
I am. I’ve seen some shit in my 65+ years.
Peynus
53? Man, you're exactly 65, grandpa. Do I get a cookie?
SamArt53
Sure. It’s included in the Imgur software... whether you like it or not. TBH I’ll be 66 in a couple months. Olde af.
fleacollerindustry
I AM CORNHOLIO! I NEED THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS FOR MY BUNGHOLE!
rubyredxx
ARE YOU THREATENING ME?
nasukkin
I heard on Fox News today that Trump is now demanding 7bn for the wall to end the shutdown. +40% in just a few days; yikes.
drowninginthesouth
They released their draft for the national emergency to see how it world play.
myhumblecontribution
Why is there even a shutdown? Mexico is going to pay for his wall, he said it.
tinyfootprints
Trump should ask Mexico to shut down their government until they have paid in full for the wall. That would make as much sense.
flavivsaetivs
It's a common haggling tactic. Raise your price when the other side won't budge.
nasukkin
Here's the thing that saddens me the most. If Republicans would just open their eyes, they'd see that there are methods that are far cheaper
01100110
As long as it comes in under $100+ billion it's still cheaper than what illegals cost the taxpayers on a yearly basis now.
SexyBananaBaby
A wall is estimated to stop roughly 50%. Stopping 50% of any problem seems like a step in the right direction. 1/2
SexyBananaBaby
Illegals cost about 116 billion per year in gov services. 7 billion seems like quite the deal.
Miskyavine
Illegal immigrants cost the US 130 billion a year involving wellfare healthcare scams. Tax evasion and court costs 7 billion aint shit.
SexyBananaBaby
Gasp, facts? Oh no.
ErrorFilledErrorPuff
lol
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
False. The study that produced the $130 billion a year figure said none of the rest of what you just said. But they did count border 1/
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
security costs in that figure. So that estimate would actually increase under Trump's wall plan, since that would also be calculated in. 2/
YeahButIThinkIAteIt
Additionally, the study has not held up very well to scrutiny. 3/
01100110
Just call it immoral and refuse to negotiate. that will solve it.
nasukkin
and much more effective at cutting illegal immigration than a physical border wall. Most illegal aliens enter the country legitimately and
01100110
Nope. That about 42% of the illegals, visa overstays.
BaconFuzz
So 42% that the wall won’t keep out.
nasukkin
overstay their visas. It's THEY who should be tracked better and--potentially--targeted for deportation. I'm not anti-immigration but to me
ILoveMeAGoodTime
Myth. 42% of illegal immigrants are here due to overstaying visas (which is still huge minority) but NOT majority.
Miskyavine
Only 42% are overstayed visas
AlphaVirus2g
Which is nearly half.
nasukkin
Republicans would look a huge margin more intelligent if they would just acknowledge those simple facts.
ILiekrocks
Corporations pay them to ignore simple facts
lysani
Getting rid of "sanctuary cities" would help.
Kaspear
When have republicans ever believed in facts? They still don't accept 9th grade science like evolution.
removekarling
Cos they generally don't actually give a shit one way or the other about it, they're just putting on a show for their rabid base.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Britain has strictest knife laws on the planet, knife crime just went up by 19%. Do with this info what you will.
Hutchy01
That's mostly because the Government in the name of austerity keeps cutting the police in favour of passion projects and the banks.
StarrryNight
Lucky we don't have guns isn't it.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Not at all, currently people who want to use guns for illegal purposes still do. The only people penalised are innocent people.
StarrryNight
Nope. The people penalised by guns are those killed by guns. No innocent person is penalised by not owning a gun. It's not a right.
VoidofLostKnowledge
Not being able to own something isn't an impingement of freedom?
StarrryNight
Nope. Peoples lives are a more important whiny "Waaahhhh I want a gun" pricks
FantabulousMan
Crime tends to go up in times of instability. Brexit is the definition of instability.
DoTheFandango86
I agree with the first part, but it's nothing to do with brexit.
Wor3q
To astonishing 272 casualties in 2018. In the meantime USA got highest gun casualties since 1968, almost 40000
schocker28
Some of those are justified homicides and police shootings.
lysani
Most are also suicides I believe, so the actually homicide rates are quite a bit lower.
obioneblowme
And how many of those are suicides where they use a fire arm. At least try to be intellectually honest
tomyironmane
Also, take out the places where gun control reigns. Cant blame me for NYC, Chicago, or LA.
Wor3q
Most of UK knife crimes is illegal possession of a forbidden knife. Care to check which crimes actually went up 19%?
VoidofLostKnowledge
What's the population of the US?
Wor3q
66m vs 325m, 5, not 30 times bigger :)
VoidofLostKnowledge
However before we got so strict on guns have you compared the numbers? Gun crime continued to increase and then only by fudging figures 1/2
VoidofLostKnowledge
and removing certain types of guns from what was deemed to be 'gun crime', which makes no logical sense, did we start to see a 'redution'2/2
Wor3q
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/firearms-act-twenty-years-on-has-it-made-a-difference-dunblane-port-arthur-a8110911.html
RydWolf
Crime Survey for England and Wales...indicates that overall levels of violence have fallen by 25% since 2013.
VoidofLostKnowledge
New figures were released yesterday showing an overall 19% rise
RydWolf
1) Dang. Looks like it's pretty much all on the rise.
RydWolf
2) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2018
lysani
Violent crime in general in most first world countries has been on a steady decline for decades.
schocker28
Us gun crime has been on a steady decline too.
RydWolf
Good to hear!
StarrryNight
Or has it stayed the same and the population has just increased to make the per capita number look smaller year on year
VoidofLostKnowledge
Fudging the figures is how we in the UK determined that banning guns reduced gun crime by removing many guns from what is 'gun crime'
Wor3q
Care to tell which guns were removed?
ThisIsFrigglish
I thought they were protected by 'Gun-Free Zone' signs.
01100110
That & taking guns from the law abiding as the solution to stop the criminals.
fleacollerindustry
My USA friends tell me that they worked just as well as saying NO! to the local drug dealers protected them from their crippling alcoholism.
Merovean
Yeah, the "Gun Free Zone"... A visual representation of a naive and childish mindset. The empty headed belief that nanny garbage works.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
The result of political manipulation by those unwilling to put in the Resources to form a proper rehabillitating prison system.
pareidoliaperson
No no, they're for speed limits, which ironically, also works for bullets.
armedtexan
We need do not enter signs, that should work.
furzinderdose
But the real question is can I bring my crossbow or my Trebuchet?
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
the fact that your country, somehow, got in the situation of needing "gun-free zone" signs in a fucking school is so absurd, it truely +
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
prooves that the difference between the US and yogurt is, that the later developes culture after being left alone 200 years
ArtMadeofYourComment
Yeah, America has no culture. The largest culture exporter in the history of the world.
TobySomething
Gun free zones are there to allow places like high schools to punish kids who intimidate others with them or might escalate fights, etc 1/2
VultureTX
it is already illegal for a teen <18 to possess a firearm, the actual people charged under that law is overwhelmingly adults.
tomyironmane
... it's usually illegal to posess pistols under 21, most places.
DesignNerd86
I don't know where you get that from, I'd love to see links to back it up
tomyironmane
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/02/a-brief-history-of-the-laws-that-make-it-easier-for-teens-to-buy-ar-15s-than-handguns.html
tomyironmane
... I believe you DO respect slate, right?
TobySomething
they're not there to prevent the mass shooter scenario, but to give institutions another tool to help fight defang gangs, drugs etc 2/3
TobySomething
which are much more common than mass shootings. 3/3
tomyironmane
... but it's already illegal for anyone under 21 to own a pistol most places. Tell me another one.
Terminology
I'm a gun owner and am embarrassed every time some idiot pretends that gun free zones are useless because they don't stop mass shootings.
cargo305
Yeah, they make it so much easier for the criminals. Nobody will be shooting back.
Zan11
Brandishing weapons is already illegal
TobySomething
That's true, but can be harder to prove. It's easier to say so and so has a gun in his backpack and get him kicked out or confiscate it.
tomyironmane
... but that's already a crime. No gun free zone required.
TobySomething
Bringing a gun onto a school campus? Having it be illegal to bring a gun on school grounds and making it a gun free zone are the same thing
Merovean
No, That's never been the intent.
Counterfit
That was always the intent for schools
romavictamuthafuckah
The signs are for sentence enhancementz, not prevention . Jesus how stupid do have to be to think signs stop killers?
ArtMadeofYourComment
Somebody didn't see the sarcasm...
GunR81
Gun free zones only pertain to law abiding citizens. Doesn’t stop criminals.
Millsslslsls
which is why law enforcement exists. How they enforce it is up for debate.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Well obviously we need even stricter gun laws and even more signs then!
01100110
It works in Chicago...
gnargnar99
Same goes for posted speed limits. Might as well just let everyone drive as fast as they want, since criminals do it.
01100110
We need to ban sober drivers so that they don't get hurt by the drunk ones. That's how gun control works so it should work for that too.
Geistbar
That's how laws work; people that break the law are inherently criminals. Laws are to punish & discourage an action, not make it impossible.
01100110
Except for guns. Making laws that take them from the law abiding is supposed to stop the already criminals.
casbott
Look America, face facts, it's too late. Your going to have school kids regularly shot and there's nothing you will do about it >
casbott
At least be honest & admit you care more about guns than kids… AND STOP TRYING TO RUIN OTHER COUNTRIES GUN LAWS CAUSE THEY MAKE YOU LOOK BAD
obioneblowme
If you honestly think that people on the right don't care that kids get shot then you are a horrible person and very wrong
nicer120006
Yea. We know you care. You send all those thoughts and prayers....... thanks.
obioneblowme
"If you don't agree with my radical proposal than you clearly want kids to die" that's basically your logic
OrbitalSloth
That’s a thoughtless argument, and the fact that you’re leveraging the dead for political gains is abhorrent. I respect that you are 1/?
AndrewBuggy
Spare us your fake outrage. You gun nuts are as transparent as fuck.
OrbitalSloth
Uses the dead for politics, groups opposition and dismisses their arguments without considering merit. Youre definitely the reasonable one.
OrbitalSloth
the position of an outright ban. That’s a less deceitful argument. The right to bear arms is meant for defense from all threats. 2/?
OrbitalSloth
Nobody likes kids dying, but there are ways to combat these problems that don’t involve registries, or outright bans. 3/?
KinetoPlay
America has ~320 million people. ~1000 kids get shot in schools. That's honestly not worth changing our lives over. Numbers should matter1/2
KinetoPlay
A LOT more when making laws than emotions or feelings. 2/2
Irishda
Yeah but I'd rather they were protected by comprehensive gun laws that weren't shaped by a lobbying group promoting gun industry sales
cyno01
Also! https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/590076949/depth-of-russian-politicians-cultivation-of-nra-ties-revealed
Merovean
Go suckle on the hype and narrative, clearly it's all you can really understand.
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01100110
Nice buzzwords, care to explain what "comprehensive gun laws" are? Are they banning guns from the law abiding & hoping it stops a criminal?
Irishda
It's funny how many of those criminals that killed people were law abiding right up until they killed people
AspiringAstronaut
Yeah, basically none. Most criminals using guns use an illegally obtained gun. They’re already breaking the law, more laws won’t help
01100110
We need to ban sober drivers so that they don't get hurt by the drunk ones. That's how gun control works so it should work for that too.
Irishda
Except cars are a lot more necessary for our function than guns, thus it's an acceptable risk
e102beta1
I'm pretty sure if someone is psycho enough to shoot up a school, stricter gun laws isn't gonna stop them. I'd rather have armed police.
pineapplesbelongonpizzas
Irishda
Why? Are psychos known for their black market connections?
e102beta1
Not any less than all the homeless people who still somehow get their illegal drugs. People who want it will get it.
Irishda
Lot easier to smuggle drugs than guns
RydWolf
https://nypost.com/2018/02/23/four-sheriffs-deputies-hid-during-florida-school-shooting/
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Or maybe we need a prison system that actually rehabillitates criminals instead of making them even more likely to commit more crimes.
nicer120006
If they can't get the gun it does. A kid here in Aus tried it. Handgun was gonna cost him 5000 on black market. So he couldn't afford it.
e102beta1
We've been going about this all wrong. We should just jack the prices of guns up. Problem solved!
OrbitalSloth
It’s not gun industry sales, they don’t need help. You seem knowledgeable, you just don’t care that lawful citizens rights are being removed
thatiswhyyoushoulddoityourself
Sorry for not being American... But why would you need more than a pistol/hunting rifle?
OrbitalSloth
I don’t need to justify it, that’s the benefit of the second amendment, the right to bear arms will not be infringed.
lysani
There's more to firearms than just hunting or self defense. A lot of people only ever use them to shoot paper targets at gun ranges.
Irishda
That sounds like a great reason not to have stricter gun laws
thatiswhyyoushoulddoityourself
Hu, I guess. Those are just not as popular where I'm from.
schocker28
Why do you get to decide what a hunting rifle is and not me?
lysani
Exactly. AR-15s and other sporting rifles are legal for hunting in some places, so technically they would be hunting rifles.
AspiringAstronaut
I’d rather they were protected by big scary guys with guns.
OrbitalSloth
Metal detectors with one dude would do fine.
houtaku
One guy and a metal detector to stop a shooter from entering a building?
OrbitalSloth
These people are cowards. Head them off early, show resistance, they fuck off.
MrShieldy
Yes. Let's put the army in schools. That'll be good for the kids.
AspiringAstronaut
I agree. They’d be alive, for one. And preferably exposed to guns in a safe way at a young age, so they aren’t so afraid of them.
MrShieldy
How do you guys still think putting in more military and more weapons everywhere will solve the problem? It hasnt worked the last decades.
elbowdeepinatinyturtle
Yeah, and we could call them kinderguardians.
flavivsaetivs
Statistically 57% of Mass shootings would be stopped by cracking down on domestic violence in America. Gun laws would have little effect.
UnderwearThief
We don't actually know that. The CDC isn't allowed to investigate gun violence, so they can't even figure out what would actually help.
flavivsaetivs
http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2709820/reducing-firearm-injuries-deaths-united-states-position-paper-from-american#.W-Tx1staGHk.twitter
ridge
The CDC did so in '13 when Obama have them money to do so.
UnderwearThief
This article from 2016 suggests otherwise: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gun-research-cdc-congress-1.3394110
flavivsaetivs
They also recommend firearm restrictions, but the meat of their paper shows that Domestic violence has major correlation.
flavivsaetivs
"In 57% of mass shootings between January 2009 and June 2014, the perpetrator killed an intimate partner"
nicer120006
I feel this is wildly inaccurate.
flavivsaetivs
They also recommend firearm restrictions, but the meat of their paper shows that Domestic violence has major correlation.
flavivsaetivs
http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2709820/reducing-firearm-injuries-deaths-united-states-position-paper-from-american#.W-Tx1staGHk.twitter
flavivsaetivs
"In 57% of mass shootings between January 2009 and June 2014, the perpetrator killed an intimate partner"
BadgerSims
Yes they partially are. I mean they are in Australia. But we have the added bonus of not having so many guns in the hands of nutters.
BurntToast127
"In the hands of nutters" is a misconception. Most "news shootings" are people with no prior serious mental issues or criminal back grounds.
pacificplinker
How do the boots taste? I haven’t licked one yet.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
You're not special, Australia. You're normal (well, in that respect). America is the one that isn't.
valdemarjoergensen
Australia is a bit special because they used to be very much like the US, but became normal again, proving it can be done.
AmericanAdvocate
Australia is VERY different from the US. Both culturally and politically. And there are no parameters for 'normal.' Everyone is different.
valdemarjoergensen
Thought it was pretty obvious I was referring to gun laws. And relatively US and Australis is very similar.
TrikStari
Yeah but then you look at the Australian government and see why those governed should have the guns.
CertifiedTintinologist
Lol, it's funny that you think having guns will take down a developed country's government.
AspiringAstronaut
Lol, it’s funny you think politicians could somehow resist millions of armed citizens. Or that the military would side with tyranny.
AspiringAstronaut
Or that even if they did, that the military could defeat millions of armed citizens. In the USA: 100 mil gun owners vs 1 mil army personnel.
CertifiedTintinologist
It's funny you think people are coordinated enough to pull something like that off. I remember the "American Spring" during Obama's term.
OrbitalSloth
Y’all have more violent crime than America, and that includes all gun violence in America. I wouldn’t consider that a bonus at all.
AmericanAdvocate
No, you're thinking of the UK
MySushi
Pulled that topsy-turvy estimate out the arse, I suppose. Not even within tossing distance of realistic.
Cowmatt
Got a source for that fun fact?
TheDrunkenWrench
You are *so* wrong. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime
houtaku
Not a big fan of how they mix absolute and per capita rates. Makes it even more apples-to-oranges than comparing two countries normally is.
RydWolf
https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe
OrbitalSloth
I’ve watched that video, their stats are twisted. It draws on your emotions, and then twists facts to fit their ideology
Wolvenlight
You'll have to provide your own source. I generally don't listen to Vox, but without a counter source the other sources here support Vox.
RydWolf
Video? I was just reading the article.
casbott
Never been threatened with a gun or in any gun crime, don't know anyone who was shot with a gun. Have a scar near my eye from a kangaroo
KinetoPlay
How's that special? I live right by all those dangerous LA street gangs, and neither have I. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.
BurntToast127
That should count as a violent crime right?
AspiringAstronaut
But at the cost of not being able to defend yourselves from all the big scary emus.
SJcodenameDuchess
Lol 2 guys a rifle and a bizillion emus is literally a joke. Kinda like the American political climate .
GeminiSprk
Even with guns the emu's won. YOUR FIREARMS ARE USELESS AGAINST THEM!!!
AspiringAstronaut
Lol, the emus taught the Russians/Japanese their strategy for WWII: throw bodies at the machine gun until it overheats, then you win!
AspiringAstronaut
It worked pretty well for the emus and the ruskies. Not so much for the japs.
MySushi
Upvoted, assuming this is sarcasm. Rest assured that the Australian populace does not dread emus the way we do firearm-related violence here
AspiringAstronaut
Yeah, the emu part is sarcasm lol. But, I am pro gun ownership. Just having some fun joking around
MySushi
I also support gun ownsership, generally. We just need to figure better ways to keep them out of the hands of criminals and nut-jobs.
DeadBoiTasty
So we're gonna ignore the gangs with P.A. Ludy guns they easily made themselves in Australia?
RydWolf
It's nice that criminals in the US don't have to struggle with making their own guns.
Spidey209
Pretty much, yeah. Gotta worry about real dangers like everything breathing.
storebrandproductmascot
U.S. = 4.62 firearm related homicide per 100k people. Australia = 0.18 per 100k.
humaneffigy
A lot of those are janky single shot makeshift zip gun type things too. In Ausstrelia.
daswisco
Not trying to downplay the horror that is US gun violence but Aus does only have like 25mil people in an area lager than the continental US
daswisco
I’m guessing there’s some correlation between violence and population density. Although it’s not like the US is the most densely populated
MrA007
Sauce? For the U.S.A. one.
storebrandproductmascot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
valdemarjoergensen
Guns in the hands of gangs isn't actually something that leads to school shootings though.
M4X1N10S
Yup, armed gangs are totally fine. They don't sell those guns at all to people who couldn't normally buy them...
valdemarjoergensen
It isn't "totally fine", but you would be completely correct in that they don't really sell them to other people outside of criminal world.