Jul 4, 2018 1:00 AM
Pastaman125
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BitchButcher
An XBOX version? What a heretic!
NicholasCageisGOD
Surbies
Pride in being part of one of the best games ever made. I like it.
DerangedMaango
Hell yeah dudem
sixheadedcreaturefeature
Username is relevant.
Chaimgoldbergenstein
BIG IRON
Requieminfernum
Besides this, what is in Goodsprings besides fuck all?
tarvuz
You legit don't need legit
MommysBaby
Deadass
chaoticgamerdude
Back in the saddle
LurkinGuud
Nioce.
IShouldntJokeAboutThat
Is their radio also broken?
TrombeOverride
No, a friendly courier fixed it a while ago.
Nubz9000
That's awesome. I've also been to the Bonnie and Clyde casino. Pretty neat.
ContainedShrim
Copycts of Vikki and vance, imo
jogthejewelsquickly
It's called Primm valley casino. Source: I crashed mt car into it once.
kindofaprick
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Kittys5
Its funny thinking oh they must be a bit hot but in reality there asking to be showered in acid and fire or die from the ash so ya almost
marsgoose
Funny part is they had multiple voice actors do that one line
SaltyInternetPirate
Mohave is spelled with a J? That's dumb.
JamesDigby
Yeah, cos the English pronunciation of Latin letters used by hundreds of languages is obviously the ‘correct’ way. Mojave is Spanish, idiot.
PropaneTankNSpank
donorkort
Used to be Mexican territory. They pronounce j as h.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
A lot of words have the J that makes the H sound. Native American languages and Spanish being a sample.
Doesn't make it not-dumb.
Arkleseizure
Spaniards named it after a native American placename, so yes, it does make it "not dumb"
warriorofdiscord
You know what's also dumb? Why's there 2 distinct letters for a "cuh" sound? Why does ph sound like f? Why is q a letter? World's full of
mundane dumb-ness. We know, don't be a peanut gallery about it.
ProperHomeless
This was fallout at its peak, but it would never have gotten there without its predecessors. And now look at it, 4, 76... such a shame
totesronjeremy
I dont play fallout but judging by the fact that it is still $60 for fallout 4 im guessing that most people dont agree.
And that’s a-ok! I personally own 4 and plan to buy 76 but there hasn’t been a single time in 4 that I was as hooked as FNV. Not my cup of T
JHawke
I've been considering to buy it for days, it is 15 currently and that is a 50% discount. It's been below 60 for months.
AwildBidoof
while I wholly agree with you on Fallout 4, I think Fallout 76 from a game standpoint will hopefully be quite the fun romp in WV
Im planning on buying it when it comes out with some friends but I feel like I’ll lose interest like The Division and Wildlands
true, but luckily, that's why having an offline mode for those times are going to be critical to the games success. Lest it be like ARK :(
Imma console fool so I’m not sure what Ark’s issue was other than I haven’t played it in a while due to pc to console controller translation
basically it was a griefing simulator with dinosaurs in a pvp world. plus whomever got their camps together had full island control over-
pvtsquirel
I loved 3 and new vegas and 4, don't really understand why 4 gets so much hate because it isn't exactly the same
Shit changes but fallout is still fallout
AgolfHiller
Fallout is a rpg game. F3 knew this, F:NV improved on this and F4 threw all of it out of the window
F3 and FNV had rpg aspects but they were not full out RPGs, F4 did sacrifice a lot of those aspects but it's still a good game
Have you ever played fallout 3 and NV? What do you mean full out RPG's? They set you up in a small role like a vault dweller son or a courie
4 gets hate because it eschewed many of the more classic RPG-ish aspects of the series in favor of a simpler game with wider audience appeal
I just feel like a lot of people didn't give it a chance
Yeah but it's still a game you can sink hundreds of hours into, it's still got the fallout feel, it's just not as rpgish
That's just it though; it doesn't really have the fallout feel. It's a good game--but it just doesn't seem like fallout beyond the setting.
I agree some of it doesn't have the feel but it's still there, especially in the Far Harbor and a bit in Nuka world
Ireadtoomuch
The DLC mostly far harbor makes up for the rpgish feel of it though
It's like bethesda doesn't know what to do with the fallout series? Gun play was bad in new vegas and 3 so let's improve that in exchange
For rpg elements and story. Ok they liked the gun play but now they complain about story and rpg, let's make a fucking MMO with no story or
Npc quests! Great job bethesda, you're good at one thing and you refuse to do it
You do realize theyve set a trend of releasing dark horses, new vegas isnt a continuation from 3-4, so 76 might be a new, new vegas
New vegas was good because of the story and it being created by the original creators of fallout 1, 2. New vegas was basically fallout 3
DanniLuxgarbe
Last I heard there were still going to be be 'npc quests' in 76. they're just offered by Robobrains and such, as opposed to standard Humans.
I could be out of date, though.
DanSapSan
Fallout 76 isn't a reaction to F4s release. It was worked on since before and is a Spin-Off to test the waters, if people like Fallout Coop.
Amd I must say, I am very interested. Exploration has always been my favourite part in Fallout games and doing that with friends = nice.
I didn't claim it was a reaction, i said it wasn't what fallout is supposed to be. It's turning more and more into a generic FPS
RegisterToVoteBoi
Dude...4 was incredible and 76 looks just as amazing. As someone who has played every single goddamn one, you should know shit changes
ChiLLeCheeze
War. War never changes.
I’m glad you enjoy 4 and the planned 76 so much, but personally I enjoy what I enjoy, meaning 4 and 76 aren’t that great to me
Fair enough. I can respect that
darkhalfbreed
Im interested to see what 76 can bring, i mean yes there will be alot of assholes out there fucking people's shit up, but i also like the-
Idea of people being people in this inviroment, imagin people making their own Raider or Gunner groups. Maybe a BoS guild roaming the lands-
Or whatever a singular or group of people create. It opens up a huge roleplaying element to the series like an open table top game.
Wellll actually thats what me and some friends have made. A gunner-esque mafia sort of thing where we charge caps to players so we dont nuke
That sounds cool
JapAnus
Change does not mean good change. 4 was ass
i.imgur.com/3LY8DmC.gif
“Real fans understand that shit”
I did say that, what're you getting at though I'm not quite following. My response gif was directed toward the "4 was ass" bit because...
Why do you think it was ass. Before I immediately light my torch, I want to know
The story was bad, all rpg elements were gutted, the voiced protagonist didn't work, the dialogue system was worsened
VinGareth
At least 4 removed the karma system allowing for some grey in choices-too bad they didn't do much with it outside of the main story beats
Real fans understand that shit
Lol
MEnf
What's wrong with 4? That's the first Fallout i played and i loved it.
pyroam
First I've ever played and I liked it until I finished it. I had issues with the story at that point, but aside from that it was your (1/2)
usual AAA experience. (2/2)
ThePastmaster
The games have been progreessively stripped down and simplified since Fallout 3. It's fun to play, but it's not very broad.
punkinshoe
If you want to explore and shoot things it's fine.. lack of player agency, skill system and the institute making no sense made it meh for me
Fallout was an rpg series. Fallout 4 lacks all rpg aspects and has a terrible plot.
Alright the skill tree sucks so does the story and god dont get me started on the guns
ladyatlas777
I also had more bugs in FO4 than any others in the series.
Thats fo3 for me
tardis63
It's fun, but the narrative and roleplaying are atrocious. Fallout started as a tabletop-inspired RPG based on GURPS. The core of the (1/2)
(2/3) series is roleplaying. Improving the minute-to-minute gameplay is great, but where it improves the dice-roll combat of 1 and 2, and
(3/3) then the lacking combat of 3 and NV, it also fails in its story. It puts the cart before the horse
Juggercat
There's nothing wrong with 4, it's just a lot different from 3 and New Vegas. Some people dislike the emphasis on shooting instead of story.
AGiantTransWoman
In my terms, it's a fantastic shooter/action game but a god awful Fallout title, and a worse RPG.
RendarSpire
There's nothing wrong with it, some people are just butthurt cause it's not New Vegas 2.
Well, Fallout fans are hurt because it's nothing like what fallout used to be about (before Bethesda ruined it)
Fucking exactly
FungusForge
I think the only valid complaint lies in the dialogue system (4 choices, no idea what's actually about to be said), and the main story.
WilliamHuskerAdama
FYI There's a mod that changes dialogue to say exactly what your character will say.
Greytrek90
I'll respectfully differ on the story (though it definitely should've been delivered more dynamically), but I agree that the decision to >
Try a Mass Effect-style cinematic dialogue system was a misstep, and some of the other new elements, especially the settlements and what >
I imagine was supposed to be an amount of underwater exploration (given the amphibious power armor and massive ocean zone) were left >
Other elements, like character design, gunplay, movement, and certain aspects of power armor are imho superior. But the rpg elements, and...
Story are not.
lDanielHolm
Agreed with everything you just said.
TBH gameplay wise Fallout 4 is the best of the FPS fallouts, if i could get something with F4 gameplay(or better) with NV's story it be a-
I politely disagree. Character design, being having a VA, really really irks me. Not just because the male VA sounds like ass, but 1/?
WhellerNG
As it turned out, the devs at Bethesda discovered part way through production having a voiced main character didn't work so well, but (1/2)
by then, it was too late to go back and change it. (2/2)
Compared to the previous fallouts. The story was lacking (some of the side quests were more interesting then the main quest) and in exchange
For better gun play they took away all the good rpg elements and replaced it with a basic perk system you can find in the average open world
Games. And the fucking dialoge wheel, what were they thinking?
Works for me, I hate the rpg element and don't even play a fallout game until mods exist to make it more like a shooter game.
I feel the RPGness was there because of tech limitations of early games
If you want a fucking shooter, go play a fucking shooter.
blainethepaintrain
76 hasn’t even come out yet
ITradeNewds
I mean no but come on its basically rust with a different engine and some new gameplay.
ProfessorPritt
Its already shit, doesnt even need to come out for you to realize its a survival battle royale. PUBG in a Fallout package = cashing in
IsThisRelevantYet
No one knew how right you were, LOL!
lancedenis1012
Except it isn't anything like PUBG at all
SpecialProjectY
There's no NPC, a part "holographic terminals". It would be basically an interactive shooter and exploration.
If you've read anything on it - it's not a PUBG, it's more of a rust cousin. I still don't want it, but it just doesn't sound or look good.
No it hasn’t, but personally I’m not latching on to the new style of fallout that’s been present since 4, nor the graphics
ICantDrive
The graphics has only improved for every iteration
Agreed, the graphics are much better but the style they are is just kinda odd Barbie smooth to me, kinda an odd balance of good and bad
The graphics look nice, but I think the art style shifted quite a bit in 4. Things are far more round and less grounded in semi-reality.1/2
2/2 What I enjoyed about 3 and NV's art style is much was still boxy and somewhat reality-based - now even trash cans look like rockets.
diontheunstable
If it's small co-op, nifty. If it's MMO, FUUUUUCK THAT.
It's a small scale MMO.
swefur
Small scale massive multiplayer online...? I'd think "massive" and "small scale" would be mutually exclusive.
... define small-scale. Are we talking Ark-ish, where you can run your own server-client system, or co-op host client-side?
AFAIK Beth runs the servers and populations are around 200-ish.
dougpeck
Noclip did a doc that explains the game better than E3 did. I think max server size is 20-24 people. I'll link the documentary here.
LobsterMelting
IIRC each server can have up to 12 people. Private and modded servers are planned. I might be wrong about the player count though
BitchButcher
An XBOX version? What a heretic!
NicholasCageisGOD
Surbies
Pride in being part of one of the best games ever made. I like it.
DerangedMaango
Hell yeah dudem
sixheadedcreaturefeature
Username is relevant.
Chaimgoldbergenstein
BIG IRON
Requieminfernum
Besides this, what is in Goodsprings besides fuck all?
tarvuz
You legit don't need legit
MommysBaby
Deadass
chaoticgamerdude
Back in the saddle
LurkinGuud
Nioce.
IShouldntJokeAboutThat
Is their radio also broken?
TrombeOverride
No, a friendly courier fixed it a while ago.
Nubz9000
That's awesome. I've also been to the Bonnie and Clyde casino. Pretty neat.
ContainedShrim
Copycts of Vikki and vance, imo
jogthejewelsquickly
It's called Primm valley casino. Source: I crashed mt car into it once.
kindofaprick
Kittys5
Its funny thinking oh they must be a bit hot but in reality there asking to be showered in acid and fire or die from the ash so ya almost
marsgoose
Funny part is they had multiple voice actors do that one line
SaltyInternetPirate
Mohave is spelled with a J? That's dumb.
JamesDigby
Yeah, cos the English pronunciation of Latin letters used by hundreds of languages is obviously the ‘correct’ way. Mojave is Spanish, idiot.
PropaneTankNSpank
donorkort
Used to be Mexican territory. They pronounce j as h.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
kindofaprick
A lot of words have the J that makes the H sound. Native American languages and Spanish being a sample.
SaltyInternetPirate
Doesn't make it not-dumb.
Arkleseizure
Spaniards named it after a native American placename, so yes, it does make it "not dumb"
warriorofdiscord
You know what's also dumb? Why's there 2 distinct letters for a "cuh" sound? Why does ph sound like f? Why is q a letter? World's full of
SaltyInternetPirate
warriorofdiscord
mundane dumb-ness. We know, don't be a peanut gallery about it.
ProperHomeless
This was fallout at its peak, but it would never have gotten there without its predecessors. And now look at it, 4, 76... such a shame
totesronjeremy
I dont play fallout but judging by the fact that it is still $60 for fallout 4 im guessing that most people dont agree.
ProperHomeless
And that’s a-ok! I personally own 4 and plan to buy 76 but there hasn’t been a single time in 4 that I was as hooked as FNV. Not my cup of T
JHawke
I've been considering to buy it for days, it is 15 currently and that is a 50% discount. It's been below 60 for months.
AwildBidoof
while I wholly agree with you on Fallout 4, I think Fallout 76 from a game standpoint will hopefully be quite the fun romp in WV
ProperHomeless
Im planning on buying it when it comes out with some friends but I feel like I’ll lose interest like The Division and Wildlands
AwildBidoof
true, but luckily, that's why having an offline mode for those times are going to be critical to the games success. Lest it be like ARK :(
ProperHomeless
Imma console fool so I’m not sure what Ark’s issue was other than I haven’t played it in a while due to pc to console controller translation
AwildBidoof
basically it was a griefing simulator with dinosaurs in a pvp world. plus whomever got their camps together had full island control over-
pvtsquirel
I loved 3 and new vegas and 4, don't really understand why 4 gets so much hate because it isn't exactly the same
pvtsquirel
Shit changes but fallout is still fallout
AgolfHiller
Fallout is a rpg game. F3 knew this, F:NV improved on this and F4 threw all of it out of the window
pvtsquirel
F3 and FNV had rpg aspects but they were not full out RPGs, F4 did sacrifice a lot of those aspects but it's still a good game
AgolfHiller
Have you ever played fallout 3 and NV? What do you mean full out RPG's? They set you up in a small role like a vault dweller son or a courie
Chaimgoldbergenstein
4 gets hate because it eschewed many of the more classic RPG-ish aspects of the series in favor of a simpler game with wider audience appeal
pvtsquirel
I just feel like a lot of people didn't give it a chance
pvtsquirel
Yeah but it's still a game you can sink hundreds of hours into, it's still got the fallout feel, it's just not as rpgish
Chaimgoldbergenstein
That's just it though; it doesn't really have the fallout feel. It's a good game--but it just doesn't seem like fallout beyond the setting.
pvtsquirel
I agree some of it doesn't have the feel but it's still there, especially in the Far Harbor and a bit in Nuka world
Ireadtoomuch
The DLC mostly far harbor makes up for the rpgish feel of it though
AgolfHiller
It's like bethesda doesn't know what to do with the fallout series? Gun play was bad in new vegas and 3 so let's improve that in exchange
AgolfHiller
For rpg elements and story. Ok they liked the gun play but now they complain about story and rpg, let's make a fucking MMO with no story or
AgolfHiller
Npc quests! Great job bethesda, you're good at one thing and you refuse to do it
Ireadtoomuch
You do realize theyve set a trend of releasing dark horses, new vegas isnt a continuation from 3-4, so 76 might be a new, new vegas
AgolfHiller
New vegas was good because of the story and it being created by the original creators of fallout 1, 2. New vegas was basically fallout 3
DanniLuxgarbe
Last I heard there were still going to be be 'npc quests' in 76. they're just offered by Robobrains and such, as opposed to standard Humans.
DanniLuxgarbe
I could be out of date, though.
DanSapSan
Fallout 76 isn't a reaction to F4s release. It was worked on since before and is a Spin-Off to test the waters, if people like Fallout Coop.
DanSapSan
Amd I must say, I am very interested. Exploration has always been my favourite part in Fallout games and doing that with friends = nice.
AgolfHiller
I didn't claim it was a reaction, i said it wasn't what fallout is supposed to be. It's turning more and more into a generic FPS
RegisterToVoteBoi
Dude...4 was incredible and 76 looks just as amazing. As someone who has played every single goddamn one, you should know shit changes
ChiLLeCheeze
War. War never changes.
ProperHomeless
I’m glad you enjoy 4 and the planned 76 so much, but personally I enjoy what I enjoy, meaning 4 and 76 aren’t that great to me
RegisterToVoteBoi
Fair enough. I can respect that
darkhalfbreed
Im interested to see what 76 can bring, i mean yes there will be alot of assholes out there fucking people's shit up, but i also like the-
darkhalfbreed
Idea of people being people in this inviroment, imagin people making their own Raider or Gunner groups. Maybe a BoS guild roaming the lands-
darkhalfbreed
Or whatever a singular or group of people create. It opens up a huge roleplaying element to the series like an open table top game.
RegisterToVoteBoi
Wellll actually thats what me and some friends have made. A gunner-esque mafia sort of thing where we charge caps to players so we dont nuke
darkhalfbreed
That sounds cool
JapAnus
Change does not mean good change. 4 was ass
pvtsquirel
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ProperHomeless
“Real fans understand that shit”
pvtsquirel
I did say that, what're you getting at though I'm not quite following. My response gif was directed toward the "4 was ass" bit because...
RegisterToVoteBoi
Why do you think it was ass. Before I immediately light my torch, I want to know
JapAnus
The story was bad, all rpg elements were gutted, the voiced protagonist didn't work, the dialogue system was worsened
VinGareth
At least 4 removed the karma system allowing for some grey in choices-too bad they didn't do much with it outside of the main story beats
pvtsquirel
Real fans understand that shit
ProperHomeless
Lol
RegisterToVoteBoi
MEnf
What's wrong with 4? That's the first Fallout i played and i loved it.
pyroam
First I've ever played and I liked it until I finished it. I had issues with the story at that point, but aside from that it was your (1/2)
pyroam
usual AAA experience. (2/2)
ThePastmaster
The games have been progreessively stripped down and simplified since Fallout 3. It's fun to play, but it's not very broad.
punkinshoe
If you want to explore and shoot things it's fine.. lack of player agency, skill system and the institute making no sense made it meh for me
JapAnus
Fallout was an rpg series. Fallout 4 lacks all rpg aspects and has a terrible plot.
Kittys5
Alright the skill tree sucks so does the story and god dont get me started on the guns
ladyatlas777
I also had more bugs in FO4 than any others in the series.
Kittys5
Thats fo3 for me
tardis63
It's fun, but the narrative and roleplaying are atrocious. Fallout started as a tabletop-inspired RPG based on GURPS. The core of the (1/2)
tardis63
(2/3) series is roleplaying. Improving the minute-to-minute gameplay is great, but where it improves the dice-roll combat of 1 and 2, and
tardis63
(3/3) then the lacking combat of 3 and NV, it also fails in its story. It puts the cart before the horse
Juggercat
There's nothing wrong with 4, it's just a lot different from 3 and New Vegas. Some people dislike the emphasis on shooting instead of story.
AGiantTransWoman
In my terms, it's a fantastic shooter/action game but a god awful Fallout title, and a worse RPG.
RendarSpire
There's nothing wrong with it, some people are just butthurt cause it's not New Vegas 2.
JapAnus
Well, Fallout fans are hurt because it's nothing like what fallout used to be about (before Bethesda ruined it)
pvtsquirel
Fucking exactly
FungusForge
I think the only valid complaint lies in the dialogue system (4 choices, no idea what's actually about to be said), and the main story.
WilliamHuskerAdama
FYI There's a mod that changes dialogue to say exactly what your character will say.
Greytrek90
I'll respectfully differ on the story (though it definitely should've been delivered more dynamically), but I agree that the decision to >
Greytrek90
Try a Mass Effect-style cinematic dialogue system was a misstep, and some of the other new elements, especially the settlements and what >
Greytrek90
I imagine was supposed to be an amount of underwater exploration (given the amphibious power armor and massive ocean zone) were left >
FungusForge
Other elements, like character design, gunplay, movement, and certain aspects of power armor are imho superior. But the rpg elements, and...
FungusForge
Story are not.
lDanielHolm
Agreed with everything you just said.
darkhalfbreed
TBH gameplay wise Fallout 4 is the best of the FPS fallouts, if i could get something with F4 gameplay(or better) with NV's story it be a-
AGiantTransWoman
I politely disagree. Character design, being having a VA, really really irks me. Not just because the male VA sounds like ass, but 1/?
WhellerNG
As it turned out, the devs at Bethesda discovered part way through production having a voiced main character didn't work so well, but (1/2)
WhellerNG
by then, it was too late to go back and change it. (2/2)
AgolfHiller
Compared to the previous fallouts. The story was lacking (some of the side quests were more interesting then the main quest) and in exchange
AgolfHiller
For better gun play they took away all the good rpg elements and replaced it with a basic perk system you can find in the average open world
AgolfHiller
Games. And the fucking dialoge wheel, what were they thinking?
marsgoose
Works for me, I hate the rpg element and don't even play a fallout game until mods exist to make it more like a shooter game.
marsgoose
I feel the RPGness was there because of tech limitations of early games
AgolfHiller
If you want a fucking shooter, go play a fucking shooter.
blainethepaintrain
76 hasn’t even come out yet
ITradeNewds
I mean no but come on its basically rust with a different engine and some new gameplay.
ProfessorPritt
Its already shit, doesnt even need to come out for you to realize its a survival battle royale. PUBG in a Fallout package = cashing in
IsThisRelevantYet
No one knew how right you were, LOL!
lancedenis1012
Except it isn't anything like PUBG at all
SpecialProjectY
There's no NPC, a part "holographic terminals". It would be basically an interactive shooter and exploration.
AGiantTransWoman
If you've read anything on it - it's not a PUBG, it's more of a rust cousin. I still don't want it, but it just doesn't sound or look good.
ProperHomeless
No it hasn’t, but personally I’m not latching on to the new style of fallout that’s been present since 4, nor the graphics
ICantDrive
The graphics has only improved for every iteration
ProperHomeless
Agreed, the graphics are much better but the style they are is just kinda odd Barbie smooth to me, kinda an odd balance of good and bad
AGiantTransWoman
The graphics look nice, but I think the art style shifted quite a bit in 4. Things are far more round and less grounded in semi-reality.1/2
AGiantTransWoman
2/2 What I enjoyed about 3 and NV's art style is much was still boxy and somewhat reality-based - now even trash cans look like rockets.
diontheunstable
If it's small co-op, nifty. If it's MMO, FUUUUUCK THAT.
ThePastmaster
It's a small scale MMO.
swefur
Small scale massive multiplayer online...? I'd think "massive" and "small scale" would be mutually exclusive.
diontheunstable
... define small-scale. Are we talking Ark-ish, where you can run your own server-client system, or co-op host client-side?
ThePastmaster
AFAIK Beth runs the servers and populations are around 200-ish.
dougpeck
Noclip did a doc that explains the game better than E3 did. I think max server size is 20-24 people. I'll link the documentary here.
LobsterMelting
IIRC each server can have up to 12 people. Private and modded servers are planned. I might be wrong about the player count though