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https://twitter.com/freedlander/status/1458820015394861060
https://www.alternet.org/2021/11/trump-envoy-ambassador/
so delusional .....
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https://twitter.com/freedlander/status/1458820015394861060
https://www.alternet.org/2021/11/trump-envoy-ambassador/
so delusional .....
MeanwhileInAmerica
#NoCollusion
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he thinks he’s running the government but in reality he’s talking to stuffed animals?
Hawkgirl203
He appears to be attempting to do “presidential” work now that he’s not president. His attempt is actually more than when he was president.
londonosierra2000
All this sham to get some money from you. Trump doesn't give a shit about America, he needs cash, he's broke.
ireplywithtwinpeaks
ThanksForTheThing
StabbyMcMurder
Woooow
ShineSpark
Someone just murder him already.
Starfury42
STILL waiting for spray tan moron to be indicted.
imakeeper
Appears to be a fundraising email, pandering to the idiots who are still sending money to the grifters.
ReptileZulu5
He's trying to get money from other countries this way. He's the new Nigerian Prince who will share his money with you for a bank fee.
smokeyfantastico
Republicans were the shadow government all along
Rodenbeard
It'd be great if the US believed in law and order and could actually charge rich criminals. But.
backrideup9
Somebody get Serbia and Kosovo on the line...tell them, unequivocally, that the orange asshat does not speak for the US, its ppl or its govt
theotherwhitematt
VinnyVeritas
My 'envoy ambassador" is my kid going to get the newspaper before the sprinklers come on ( and he's infinitely more responsible)...
JanieKSmith
And nothing will happen to him because America is a corrupt, broken, failed state. Fuck Trump and his supporters.
Tokomek
Today my Random dude visited the border where his drugs come through.
jacblake
We shall not abandon this historic visit. Many lives are at stake. And we need that Sticky Icky!
thomasyomamas
i’m dying ????
IWantedOneOfThoseLongUsernamesTooSoIGotOne
Bosnian and Serbian officials: "What? Why is that guy here? He should go home." (In my head that's what they said anyway)
stilloldbull
The delusions continue...
arthurvanhoudt
So who-TF is Ric Grenell? And why and how would such a person get ANY diplomatic freedoms? I mean a CD passport is not for free is it?
MrTinyTim
Why this MF is not rotting in jail? This bastard is using the constitution as toilet paper. I hope Karma hits him soon and badly...
TheOneTrueZippy8
"Other people's money" is why not.
AManisNotACamel
Not one sentence of that statement was written/spoken/mumbled by the tangerine turd. It’s too coherent.
hellodee
I concur. There is no possible way he wrote that.
MissIWasntItching
I dunno man. Seems a lot like treason.
GuerrillaUNDERdaSMOG
Isn't negotiating on behalf of the US Govt by unauthorized US Citizens against the Logan Act of 1799?
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yes, yes it is... but no one has ever been convicted under it... and only two have been charged, one in 1802 and one in 1852
middlenameconfusion
Thanks for calling out the specific law. I was certain this (also) was illegal, but it's nice to know somebody did some research.
MeestowKitty
This has to be some kind of felony, right?
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MeestowKitty
That's not what any news I can find on the matter is saying. It's literally a statement he released.
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MeestowKitty
Oh ok. I misunderstood. Your initial reply has the vibe of "fake news!" I was afraid you were a Trump supporter for a moment.
QuickINeedAName
I too can wrote about things that I haven't done. You should see all my generals guarding the moon.
FieryDoom
President QuickINeedAName, we lost the moon to illegal aliens!
OliverClothesoff70
"Has the moon been attacked recently??? NO??!!?? Then, you're welcome!!"
circlebreaker
Wait, are they the ones guarding all the cheese and ghost stockpiles?
PantheraLykan
Wait, but do they carry harpoons?
Sple3n8
Yeah, but they ended up just singing and telling stories.
elbowdeepinawhateverthatis
Definitely telling tall tales.
GondwanaCraton
They have a teleporting dog, right?
dudedude09
*subscribe* tell me more about these moon generals please! Are they the greatest people? Only the great? Big generals? Acting bigly??
QuickINeedAName
The Biggest! With the Boldest decisions! Not like those flimsy and un-bold alien generals!
dudedude09
Yes. Yessssssssss. This all makes perfect sense to me. You are now my God.
Harryteeters
Yeah he's probably just lying about it though
badatediting
If I were to admit a crime I didn't commit, they would be sure to put me behind bars.
itwasababyox
But that's what we keep saying and it's not serving us.
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
If he isn't he should hang.
disboii
Either way…
RickSlabjaw
Yeah that’s right there in the land of por que no los dos my man.
MisterRichard
Boy, that's hella illegal if anyone bothers to charge him for if
ICreatedThisAccountToPostPicsOfMyTwoCats
Doesn't look like anything will happen till your all forced to do something
CanadianEngineer
Illegal!? Trump!?!? But he’s known as such a law-abiding citizen! It can’t be! D:
doobiedoobop
I'm starting to think Trump isn't desyroying America, America is destroying itself by not charging people like Trump.
EBlade19889
Always has been
RAH9000
Kind of like when Kerry ran around the world undermining Trump?
GondwanaCraton
You can't "undermine" someone who is already below rock bottom.
FurtiveGlancer
Nation of cowards - too scared to even defend their own laws & constitution
railski
They won’t…
mithiwithi
It'd be a surprise if they did. The Logan Act is nearly as old as the United States, and yet no one has ever been convicted under it.
GlenL
Shit, when's your next stand up set, you're a funny motherfucker!
IrishCyko
Nah they're too busy trying to fill their prisons for profit.
ReginaKasteen
If he actually did anything; his fundraising emails are usually about 95% lies.
maximilianfragglebottom
DildoDiscoAbortion
Yes. I don’t live in America so I can say this without fear of Johnny Law at my door: Kill Donald Trump. Kill him this week.
DarkwingDuc
Fuck Trump, but I don't think it's illegal. The Kosovo-Serbia agreement was negotiated & signed in 2020 when he was still President. (1/2)
DarkwingDuc
(2/2) He just sent a dude there for PR. It disingenuous & impotent posturing, but I don't think it's a crime. (Please correct if I'm wrong.)
mithiwithi
Whether it's a crime depends on the details of what this "envoy" said. If he really only highlighted an existing agreement, it's not a 1/2
mithiwithi
Logan Act violation. But right now I only have TFG's word that that's all he did, and his word isn't worth wet spit. 2/2
DarkwingDuc
I agree on Trump's word, but based solely on what in the tweet, there's nothing illegal here. So why's everyone upvoting a claim that it is?
mithiwithi
That said, even if the envoy did violate the Logan Act, if he were actually convicted under it he'd be the first one ever. 3/2
AnOldPictureOfAYoungerSelf
Just curious, does anyone know what the charges would be? It feels hella illegal, but what laws are in place stopping it?
Einstein9073
I thought that the crime of lese-majesty was when a person usurped the rights of the executive. Maybe it's just when you insult a weak King
thelegendofthetwistednavigator
That's actual treason
DarkwingDuc
Fuck Trump, but I don't think it's illegal. The Kosovo-Serbia agreement was negotiated & signed in 2020 when he was still President. (1/2)
Nalianna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
DarkwingDuc
(2/2) He just sent a dude there for PR. It disingenuous & impotent posturing, but I don't think it's a crime. (Please correct if I'm wrong.)
heckingoodboi56
Trump may not be breaking the law, but impersonation of an official is illegal and could be bad news for whoever traveled.
NoNameFred
I mean, in pretty much any other country running a Shadow Government would be Treason, but the USA Constitution defines that wrong.
MisterRichard
The Logan act prohibits the negotiation of citizens with foreign powers the US is in disputes with, such as Serbia. But I guess he doesn't
MisterRichard
Say negotiated. Kerry urged Iran to keep to the terms of the Iran nuclear deal in 2018, and he wasn't charged.
TheNewYellowZealot
Did Kerry send an envoy to Ian to work out an agreement to stick to the deal, extra judicially?
TheTravelingAirman
Extra-judicially implies outside of the court system, whereas illegal is the perfect word for this act.
Irishda
Urging is different than acting as an ambassador
MisterRichard
saying "I sent an ambassador" isn't against the law, and it's no crime for him to be there or even called that as long as he doesn't try
DarkwingDuc
But Kosovo-Serbia agreement was negotiated & signed in 2020 when he was still Pres. He just sent an envoy there for PR. Is that illegal?
MisterRichard
I go into that in the posts you skipped. As long as he didn't negotiate, it's fine, and honestly even if he did he might well be fine.
DarkwingDuc
Right, but you didn't need to. There's no if. The negotiation took place last year. This is just an impotent PR stunt.
QuickLighting53
Lol. Like a GQP leader will ever face consequences.
ButtonMasherZ
I feel like we need to stop acting like he’ll get away with it and speak up and say that he shouldn’t
QuickLighting53
He absolutely shouldn't. But what the fuck can we do?
GreonBjorn
Stand together and go out there and let our voices be heard
ButtonMasherZ
Basically get active. Talk to your politicians, group up with people to protest. Hold meetings and standards, make sure people maintain…
ButtonMasherZ
safety for all involved. I just feel like the people saying nothing will happen can probably pressure the important people if they step up.
Pheehelm
So here's what I got off Wikipedia: Ric Grenell was "the Special Presidential Envoy for Serbia and Kosovo Peace Negotiations from 2019 (1/4)
Pheehelm
(2/4) to 2021." With respect to that position, "His tenure ended with the Trump presidency on January 20, 2021." I haven't found anything
Pheehelm
(3/4) to this effect, but possibly he did travel there in his capacity as "guy who was involved with this earlier." It's bizarre wording,
Pheehelm
(4/4) but not exactly inaccurate for Trump to describe him as "my Envoy" if you read it with an implied "back when I was President."
professionalConfirmologist
I hate to agree. I think he knows the wording that is specifically not legally binding enough to make him culpable.
Pheehelm
It's always risky around these parts to say, "I don't think Trump did anything wrong this one specific instance."