One bit of good news, Austria was spared a government led by ultra-right-wing Herbert Kickl (a great supporter of Felonious P.I.G. 🐖) and his FPÖ party. Coalition negotiations failed and even though that party has about 30% of voter support, it was not enough to put together a coalition led by another fascist asshole.
“But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.” ― Patrick O'Brian, Master & Commander
Patriotism is not beyond saving, but nationalism certainly is, and one side wants patriotism and nationalism to be the same thing, and the other side is losing. As a border abolishionist i'm not a fan of either, but can at least agree that patriotism being framed as a desire to improve ones country is at least more agreeable, as much as they seem to be losing the fight over the word's meaning.
THAT's the patriotism I learned. That's the one I practice. And right now, there's nothing to be proud about, except those who are fighting back. And because the only alternative is "let them win", I am going to do everything I can to help in that fight.
this must be old, because "front national" is now called "rassemblement national", because the piece of trash marine le pen wanted to rebrand it to separate from the past and her father (one of the founder). Of course the only thing that changed is the name, the trash remains
What’s totally wrong is America not seeing its privilege to take all the credit. The best progress made was with allies under any circumstances in the world theater. This Nazi party wants to grab personal wealth at the expense of decades of negotiating and building alliances. Destroying it for everyone making the real enemy of freedom and democracy a fer more lethal.
Farage would say "Britain First" rather than "England First". Even though in practise the vast majority of the people who chant "Britain First" do not give a fuck about Scotland or Wales... and probably don't even realise that the UK includes Northern Ireland
The image seems to be from arround 2016/2017. Atleast the austrian and german right wing have changed their heads. The austrian one stumbled upon a setup where a fake oligarch lured him into trying to buy positive press. The german one left politics and was overtaken by even more right wing figureheads. Right now they are run by Alice Weidel, a lesbian with a sri lankian wife and adopted children, living in switzerland that hates on queers and migrants - you cant make up that shit.
They are they are. Yesterday marked the first time since 1945 that a facist party led the opinion polls with a 27% approval rate - 2% more than the conservative CDU - the party of the next chancellor...
yea, getting worried each day with what's been going on. Really just looks like big players around the world are playing puppetry with politics to force people into conflicts.
I used to really dislike Geert wilders, but mad props to the dude. He won the last election but because no one would form a coalition with him, he stood down 'for the good of the country' I may not like his politics but you have to respect that
There was no 'standing down'. Geert (and everyone) knew noone would want to form a coalition with him being priminister. So he knew he'd get benched a couple of weeks down the road. What he did is slime his way into a (raggedy) coalition, getting the best deal he could every hope for: keep on spouting nonsense and playing 'the peoples champion' from the sidelines trying to cover up his own coalitions muck-ups.
Thanks for the link. Unless I'm missing some information, seems like he ditched his effort to be PM solely because the other parties in the coalition wouldn't support it. More "saw the writing on the wall" than "stood down for the sake of his country" in my opinion.
Caring about your own country before others is not stupid, trying to act like every single country other than yours is a problem however is really damn stupid.
Putting [technical grouping of people] before [technical grouping of people] will always be hazardous. Country, color, creed, capital, culture.. Even choosing to accept the decision of people who have chosen to forsake their humanity risks forsaking one's own
Sometimes, caring about other countries is caring about your country. We'd have way fewer people trying to come here from Venezuela if we stopped intentionally crippling their economy, for example.
It SHOULD be meant like an oxygen mask. Gets yours on first, then help others. If you pass out or die you can't help anyone and in fact may be a hindrance. Not this "screw anyone else but us" way it's being treated.
There is no such thing as caring for your own country before others, not in an international world. Maybe in the 1500s. Maybe. But now we are all inextricably tied.
To prioritize nations is to enshrine a hierarchy of nations, one that no country may last in pole position. If you prioritize nations, your nation will eventually be deprioritized, and thereby neglected.
Maybe, and i say this as a brit. Maybe if we stopped bombing the ever living shit, or giving bombs to bomb the ever living shit out of people we wouldn't have mass migration.
Maybe if we stopped involving ourselves in other countries politics with corruption/bribes/greed/coups we wouldn't have mass migration.
I mean i hate to sound like a tin foil hatter but to me there's logic here.
What countries do you imagine we're "bombing the shit out of" currently?
Or rather, which out of the ten countries we receive most immigrants from have we "bombed the shit out of" recently? That's India, Poland, Pakistan, Romania, Ireland, Nigeria, Italy, Germany, Bangladesh and South Africa.
It's like we have jobs and an agiging population with legal employment.
Tbh I was talking about asylum seekers you see the difference is bombs vs jobs. It's very simple. Is your country being bombed? Then you're an asylum seeker. Are you hoping to work in construction? Yes? Then you're probably polish. See casual racism you people love that
AyatollahBahloni
One bit of good news, Austria was spared a government led by ultra-right-wing Herbert Kickl (a great supporter of Felonious P.I.G. 🐖) and his FPÖ party. Coalition negotiations failed and even though that party has about 30% of voter support, it was not enough to put together a coalition led by another fascist asshole.
Niagaran
Missing:
Spoonland
and do not forget italy
Che07
Judging by the down votes a lot of fascists here, this evening, ey? Don't like what you see?
SilverNicktail
It drives me insane how much of Britain still can't bring themselves to call Farage a fascist.
AyatollahBahloni
nonickname23
Italy! Well, they'll probably surrender after switching sides twice.
BautaStein
*Hells march starts playing *
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
VinnyVeritas
I'm already VERY tired of "so much winning"
baconandmorebacon
Is the ten year old on the bottom right supposed to be Höcke?
IloveHockey
copypasted hands
upvoteFLUFFYthings
Ugh. We have one of those in Canada. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-canada-first-rally-1.7459415
kurvarVillain
I love my country. I hate my government.
See, everyone agrees.
Microfiche
Where is Pollievre? He would be crushed that he isn't in the pic.
peedrinkingcrapface
it's just like last time. Capital has become too strong, labor too week. the resulting economic class erosion has destabilized the political spectrum.
Szwejkowski
“But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.”
― Patrick O'Brian, Master & Commander
bobbobbybobbington
Patriotism is not beyond saving, but nationalism certainly is, and one side wants patriotism and nationalism to be the same thing, and the other side is losing. As a border abolishionist i'm not a fan of either, but can at least agree that patriotism being framed as a desire to improve ones country is at least more agreeable, as much as they seem to be losing the fight over the word's meaning.
LuminoZero
“My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.”
-Senator Carl Schurz
DukeDarkwood
THAT's the patriotism I learned. That's the one I practice. And right now, there's nothing to be proud about, except those who are fighting back. And because the only alternative is "let them win", I am going to do everything I can to help in that fight.
Shoutrr
this must be old, because "front national" is now called "rassemblement national", because the piece of trash marine le pen wanted to rebrand it to separate from the past and her father (one of the founder). Of course the only thing that changed is the name, the trash remains
slipn2unknown
What’s totally wrong is America not seeing its privilege to take all the credit. The best progress made was with allies under any circumstances in the world theater. This Nazi party wants to grab personal wealth at the expense of decades of negotiating and building alliances. Destroying it for everyone making the real enemy of freedom and democracy a fer more lethal.
dangerm0use
schrodingerscatfood
Pphunk77
Tear down the wall….tear down the wall….tear down the wall…tear down the wall…
StephenDaniels
I could get behind Floyd first.
GravelordIncogNito
Yeah but... Pink Floyd was a fascist too.
littleredrocketinpocket
Waiting for the worms
Youhavinagiraffe
Farage would say "Britain First" rather than "England First". Even though in practise the vast majority of the people who chant "Britain First" do not give a fuck about Scotland or Wales... and probably don't even realise that the UK includes Northern Ireland
thesmelge
If Farage comes to Scotland we'll fuck him up again.
FoamingToad
+1. Fuck that smug wankstain and any xenophobic cocksplat that's ever supported him. Oxygen thieves all.
OtisTDrunk
spLagger
needs Giorgia Meloni in there too
Che07
Also: India, Egypt, Chile, Cuba, Russia, Turkey, Thailand, North Korea, Tunisia, Israel... would get a bit crowded in the picture...
spLagger
I figure it was showing leaders of countries who are typically viewed as democratic instead of fascist. The above list isn't a surprise.
burningslide
The image seems to be from arround 2016/2017.
Atleast the austrian and german right wing have changed their heads.
The austrian one stumbled upon a setup where a fake oligarch lured him into trying to buy positive press. The german one left politics and was overtaken by even more right wing figureheads. Right now they are run by Alice Weidel, a lesbian with a sri lankian wife and adopted children, living in switzerland that hates on queers and migrants - you cant make up that shit.
spLagger
I thought the AfD is still active in politics? Don't they hold some minority seats?
burningslide
They are they are. Yesterday marked the first time since 1945 that a facist party led the opinion polls with a 27% approval rate - 2% more than the conservative CDU - the party of the next chancellor...
spLagger
yea, getting worried each day with what's been going on. Really just looks like big players around the world are playing puppetry with politics to force people into conflicts.
CabooseDM
I used to really dislike Geert wilders, but mad props to the dude. He won the last election but because no one would form a coalition with him, he stood down 'for the good of the country' I may not like his politics but you have to respect that
Jandegrote
So far i can say whatever Wilders has done i could have done better for 10% of the price.
MinosEngele
There was no 'standing down'. Geert (and everyone) knew noone would want to form a coalition with him being priminister. So he knew he'd get benched a couple of weeks down the road. What he did is slime his way into a (raggedy) coalition, getting the best deal he could every hope for: keep on spouting nonsense and playing 'the peoples champion' from the sidelines trying to cover up his own coalitions muck-ups.
mormacil
WTF are you talking about, he's currently in a coalition with other parties.
wandermanspacebot
What do you mean by "stood down" in this context?
CabooseDM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68557036
wandermanspacebot
Thanks for the link. Unless I'm missing some information, seems like he ditched his effort to be PM solely because the other parties in the coalition wouldn't support it. More "saw the writing on the wall" than "stood down for the sake of his country" in my opinion.
CabooseDM
in fairness yes your thoughts are valid
swedeonamoose
Caring about your own country before others is not stupid, trying to act like every single country other than yours is a problem however is really damn stupid.
reineseele
"Jesus always said: Care only for yourself. Dont be decent"-Republican Bible
Slashenaar
Putting [technical grouping of people] before [technical grouping of people] will always be hazardous. Country, color, creed, capital, culture.. Even choosing to accept the decision of people who have chosen to forsake their humanity risks forsaking one's own
DingoStyle
Patriotism is not caring, its blind pride and that has never been a good idea.
Illinifan88
Sometimes, caring about other countries is caring about your country. We'd have way fewer people trying to come here from Venezuela if we stopped intentionally crippling their economy, for example.
Seethreepeeoh
They don't really give a wet shit about the people in their own countries either
ShoelessLouis
Well stated. “Think globally, act locally” may be an oversimplification, but it contains a beneficial premise.
deadlyJumper
It SHOULD be meant like an oxygen mask. Gets yours on first, then help others. If you pass out or die you can't help anyone and in fact may be a hindrance. Not this "screw anyone else but us" way it's being treated.
Deunderscoremoralize
There is no such thing as caring for your own country before others, not in an international world. Maybe in the 1500s. Maybe. But now we are all inextricably tied.
Deunderscoremoralize
To prioritize nations is to enshrine a hierarchy of nations, one that no country may last in pole position. If you prioritize nations, your nation will eventually be deprioritized, and thereby neglected.
UnholyDoughnuts
Maybe, and i say this as a brit. Maybe if we stopped bombing the ever living shit, or giving bombs to bomb the ever living shit out of people we wouldn't have mass migration.
Maybe if we stopped involving ourselves in other countries politics with corruption/bribes/greed/coups we wouldn't have mass migration.
I mean i hate to sound like a tin foil hatter but to me there's logic here.
DocNitro
And the given country's government would suddenly have money to fix the issues at home, too.
RoutemasterFlash
What countries do you imagine we're "bombing the shit out of" currently?
Or rather, which out of the ten countries we receive most immigrants from have we "bombed the shit out of" recently? That's India, Poland, Pakistan, Romania, Ireland, Nigeria, Italy, Germany, Bangladesh and South Africa.
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/
RoutemasterFlash
(OK, I'll give you Italy and Germany, but that was quite a long time ago now, and to be fair, they started it.)
UnholyDoughnuts
It's like we have jobs and an agiging population with legal employment.
Tbh I was talking about asylum seekers you see the difference is bombs vs jobs. It's very simple. Is your country being bombed? Then you're an asylum seeker. Are you hoping to work in construction? Yes? Then you're probably polish. See casual racism you people love that
RoutemasterFlash
Lol, you're the one conflating asylum seekers with economic immigrants, you fucking self-righteous prick.
RoutemasterFlash
You know, just like Farage, the Daily Mail, the right wing of the Tory party, etc.