marymarymistressmary
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My students and I were outside at recess today, while an active shooter was in the neighborhood. We heard 4 gun shots, I immediately called the office on my walkie-talkie and quickly got my students inside.
Most of my kids were in shock, but some were crying and crying hard (which is 1,000% understandable). Some quotes from today:
"I don't want to die today. Please keep me safe."
"I can't die, I didn't tell my mom I loved her today."
"Will I see you in heaven?"
After my babies left, I broke down. I cried for what seemed like forever.
What is happening to our world?!?!?
neptix
Absolute proof that the US is a failed state.
reichstein
2779
That averages to 49.625 per year. Almost once a week for the last 56 years.
What the fuck.
SinisterSlaw
Well the solution is obvious.... more guns. (some republican)
northerngermany
Yeah, our world is fucked. *looks at the huge amount of German schoolshootings*
rambot
I'm sorry you had to deal with that
jammer909
Glad I'm not in the Top 10. Depressed we even have this list at all.
k98aj01
My kids’ school locked down for a suspicious noise on the roof two weeks ago. The whole thing lasted only a few minutes, but the noise was right above my son’s room. He said it was the only time he felt scared at school. My daughter said one of her classmates couldn’t stop crying. We are in the same school district as Columbine, and the lock downs are no joke—not that they are a joke anywhere. I hate that I have to talk to my 7 and 10 year old about things they shouldn’t have to worry about.
LebistusReticulatis
As an European I can say that the only shooting at our schools are with water pistols. And we want to keep it that way.
Comboverman
When is Call of Duty: American Classrooms due tto come out? Soon I hope
Shoutrr
"our world" ? that's kinda just the us tho
txchief11
The context of the post made it clear the OP meant the US. I am bored to tears of Europeans jumping into American posts to say ‘not us.’ Nobody meant you, it’s not about you, which is obvious, you’re being willfully obtuse so you can bag on Americans under threat of violence.
Shoutrr
they said "our world", not "to us". Or is it another american self centrism ? And i don't give two fucks about how bored you are. Either move on, or radically change the shithole of a country you live in so these kinds of events aren't the norm.
Poppypoppoppop
Country* ONLY in USA. Don't drag the rest of the world into it
Wapusk
What's happening to your world is the American Empire is in decline and the emotional destress is manifesting itself in horrible ways.
IamAlbertPotato
That's fucking horrifying.
mickjl
I lived for 3 years in the US and had my kids to active intruder training. I spoke to parents and they seemed to think, what can I do. The US seems to protest well for a lot of things. Lots of placards. I don't understand why 20m kids and 50m parents don't protest until this is changed. How can the NRA be that strong everywhere.
Harsamina
A fuck ton of those 50m parents are just fine with the status quo. They're perfectly happy to trade the lives of their own children for unrestricted gun access.
mickjl
Sorry if this is crass, but are the school shootings more likely to be lower socioeconomic, or wealthy, red/blue, white/black? Feels quite random which made me scared as a parent. I couldn't put up with it and then be surprised if my kids school got shot up.
Harsamina
The mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males, but the rest of it is a mixed bag in terms of class.
mickjl
Is that the same with victims?
Harsamina
The shooters kill whomever they can get to, regardless of sex, gender, class, or politics. The victims are a cross section of the given school's population demographics. Basically, white males killing anyone they can.
circlebreaker
Foreigner here, fuck that's a sad state of affairs. Fucking do better Yankees.
hannahbutnotreally
They're doing their best.
InsanityOnTheInternet
LOL, that's just mean.
hannahbutnotreally
I think you're the only one that got it was a joke lol. Oh well.
TheOnePristineMonk
We are absolutely fucking not and it scares the shit out be every day. I have two kids in elementary and one in high school. We need change immediately
hannahbutnotreally
Yeah and you're... doing your best to change right? That's all I meant.
TheOnePristineMonk
I get involved in local government. My family works in state government at high levels. My Uncle was a congressman for 8 years for the DFL (Democrat party) in my state and was a judge after that. I went to school for Poli-Psy because my Dad and Uncle's involvement inspired me (though I ended up in I.T.). I write letters to my reps on both sides. I go to City and county meetings. Most importantly I vote in every primary and every election. I evangelize my political beliefs. I sure hope so.
TheOnePristineMonk
I know not everyone is active like they should be, and they feel that their voices get drowned out. But I strongly encourage those around me to vote and make their voices heard. Together we can effect change for the better and overcome those that wish to keep the status quo for short term monetary gain and power at the expense of others. Together we can protect our children, help our neighbors and take care of those less fortunate. Sorry for the soap box, I'll step down now.
Aries137
philmoregraves
Jesus reading those kids' words is making me choke up in public. Ima full ugly cry when I get home, guaranteed
OliverKlozoff1269
Paraeducator in a special needs school here.... I struggle with the thought of save my kiddos or make it home to my own.
SpiderTrike2000
What's a K-12 ?
marymarymistressmary
Kindergarten through 12the grade
jaggcomputing5
Australia 0.
SavageDrums
Now show the rest of the world...
Shelby82
Thank fuck I live in Europe
fishballshoe
NYC2BrklynCubz
abtei
No, thats sarcasm.
abtei
How does the rest of the world prevent this? - Wrong answers only!
DippyDoopter
They put all their good guys with guns in an arena with the bad guys with guns
zhagsten
We closed the schools and sent the children to the mines.
Madalchemist2018
Thoughts and prayers?
TooCuteToDie
We made school shootings illegal.
OttoNormalo
Crazy americans.
Huor
As a teacher this is my worst nightmare. I worry about it every goddamned day. And I’m in Canada. How scary must it be in the States?
MyBigMouth
UK: 1 - And oh boy did we tighten the laws up even further after it happened, and thankfully, touch wood, we've not had one since.
SpiderTrike2000
Are you talking about Hungerford, Dunblane or the Derrick Bird shootings ? Not to be pissy about it, and appreciative we don't have gun mentality here
MyBigMouth
Dunblane, I know the Derrick Bird shootings were later on, but I was referring to school shootings.
marymarymistressmary
.... whose wood are we touching?!?
Myowngrampa
Feralkyn
I told my husband to knock on wood when he said something the other day and this man rapped his knuckles directly on his own crotch
TanktheAlmighty
It's so much less violent over there they can nonchalantly touch wood. We have to hit it like it owes us money.
leroy666
The relative shortage of guns is relevant.f
Beelsebooob
Yes, yes it is… that’s literally the point.
SamuthNBS
Pre '97 we could own handguns just like you guys. Now we can only own bolt-action or straight-pull rifles, long barrelled pistols/revolvers, .22LR semi-auto rifles and basically any shotgun. Banning handguns is the best move we ever made - there's no legitimate use for them (here) so nobody was affected by the ban.
Selerox
The UK had guns. Then a massacre, followed by a school shooting happened and now we don't.
RoboUnicornFishBalls
Can still get guns, not hard.
You just need to have a background check, be part of a registered sporting gun club, have someone with a recognised academic qualification vouch for you, have storage for both guns and ammo and i think a valid passport.
Takes like 20 days where i live and costs £50, have to renew yearly which is a quicker process.
There's obviously restrictions on automatics but you can buy rifles, pistols, shotguns very easily.
Selerox
Pistols? Unless you're in Northern Ireland, that's not happening.
IamAlbertPotato
Huge law changes in nz after our worst shooting too. Our new govt is trying to reverse a lot of the bans at the moment though. Corrupt bitch doing it is directly linked to the gun lobby groups. Fuckin ACT party and their dodgy bullshit.
jeffois
Kunce. We don't need guns for recreational purposes. Fucking Rimmer and his ACT goons need to fuck off.
ChosenChaos
Australia: 0. Unless you count universities under schools, in which case it's... 1.
3Davideo
List says K-12, so strictly pre-collegiate.
UpVoteDragons
Australia: won the war in gun violence, lost the war on emus. I like that better than us here in the US.
YourWeaponsAreUselessAgainstMyCodpiece
So, emu's prevent school shootings, you say?
BennyT1000
I need to start exporting emu's to the US....
assassin180sx
export cassowarys, for the chaos..... muahahahahaha
PeterWarholm
I guess Dunblane was the only actual 'School Shooting'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre
Hungerford & Cumbria desrve metion though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
PeterWarholm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre#
PeterWarholm
Also I wonder how Dunblane would compare in the above analysis compared to population...
AnotherRainyDay
If the UK were a state it would be the 12th largest. So I'd say the comparison comes out favourably however you slice it.
Carl99
If the Uk where a state it would be the largest, it's got nearly twice the population of the most populous US state, (California).
leroy666
Not your world, just your country.
txchief11
It’s obvious from the context that the OP means the US, stop pretending otherwise so you can say ‘not us’, it’s dumb.
leroy666
Who made you arbiter of commentary? Kiss my ass.
MrBananaHead
I live in a 3rd world country and at least this shit does not happen here. @leeroy666 is right
IfILikeYourJokeITellYou
Hey. Thank you. You have no idea how appreciated you are. This is coming from a childless stranger. I'm sorry this happened.
marymarymistressmary
Thank you, random stranger
IfILikeYourJokeITellYou
You're welcome, random hero
marymarymistressmary
Oh goodness. I'm not a hero
IfILikeYourJokeITellYou
Secondary perception knows no modesty
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
To our world? Sorry, miss, but this particular stat is just American.
conflictmuffins
I don't think my fellow Americans fully "get it" that this is a country specific issue. We are all so used to living and breathing gun culture and being surrounded by mentally ill people...its just disgusting how numb we have become, all for the sake of FREEDUMB. Our children and PoC are paying the price for this "freedom". I'm sick of it!
DutchBoeremeisie
It's not the only reason, but in my opinion a contributing factor is the fact that so few Americans come into prolonged contact with other cultures (geographically rather isolated), combined with the propaganda of "American Freedom" and "Best Country in the World". Throw in bad education, and you can see how this creates a mindset that gets reinforced and emphasised with each generation.
txchief11
No, it’s just that world wide context means nothing in this case, since the problem is from all the religious and political wackos that Europe and Asia shipped over here 250 years ago. The problem is here, and has been here since the Caucasians arrived.
GarmBlack
Gotta say, I'm confused by the distribution of this graph. It's not necessarily population, gun rights status, or political leaning.. I mean I guess hello, multifaceted problem, but it seems so scattered.
Burke616
This also doesn't give any sense of the problem changing over time, in response to any attempts to prevent or control gun violence through legislation.
drbwaa
It also covers ~60 years of history - if it shows anything particular it's just "it's way too much"
marymarymistressmary
Tbh I just looked for something to put with my words lol
katenoid
Does it matter? Children are dying.
TayoStrum
Yeah it does matter. Children are dying. Knowing what is increases and decreases the rate is important.
katenoid
Yes, I meant does it matter that that person found the graph to be scattered
throwaway12345432
Well, there is one thing that all evidence seems to imply does drastically decrease the rate. But that's not palatable for some people.
Afewflowers
I think a lot of people are missing the point here that this is a lot, and it's happening everywhere in the US far too much. OP is saying they have had direct experience with this threat and probably isn't that interested in criticisms of the graph.
GarmBlack
I mean A) not criticizing thr graph. I find the distributions of note. B) we should like when information intrigues us, it's how we learn and solve problems or think of things in new ways. C) I feel for OP, but they inbthebend chose to post information along with their story, and I find that information interesting so I'm discussing it in our comment section.
CrisprCAS
Adjust by population, state gun laws AND bordering state gun laws. That's why Illinois is worse than New York.
PerpetualExhaustion
Exactly.Im an Illinois native and I’ve had to contend with the braindead conservative argument of “IL and Chicago have some of the country’s strict this gun laws and look how much gun violence there is in Chicago.” What these idiots are too stupid to realize is that an hour drive north or south from downtown Chicago puts you in two states which have much less strict gun laws. We need federal background checks and nationwide laws dictating the “well regulated militia” part of the second amendment
Bealzebuff
Fuckin Indiana.
Filanwizard
I forget the article but supposedly one gun shop in Wayne Indiana supplied more than 600 of the guns used in Chicago shootings.
The701
This, probably? https://www.propublica.org/article/westforth-sports-gary-indiana-chicago-guns-illegal-sales
GreatOdinsTaint
I read that like 70% of gun related offenses in the city of Chicago are perpetrated with guns purchased in Indiana and brought across state lines.
PerpetualExhaustion
Yeah, sounds about right
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
The same is true in Canada with US guns. Our laws are being undercut by the lax laws in the US.
IronMagnus
Now adjust it per capita.
shepahrdjhon
thank you
demosteness
Better adjust it with the amount of guns per capita
Rovylern
TheBlueMuppet
Sir, we've listed states per capita per person and it turns out that each state only has 1 very violent person in it, but the only person they ever kill is themselves, somehow.
DrLOAC
As a safety engineer we look at the risk as the severity of the event vs its likelihood using a 5x5 risk matrix.
The severity is the worst case in the absence of controls - in this case dead students - Catastrophic 5
For the likelihood in TX we have 225 shootings over 38 years across ~ 9000 schools. So ~ a 1 in 1520 likelihood of a shooting at any given school in a school year.
For a student that spends 13 years K-12 in TX schools that’s a likelihood of >>
DrLOAC
1 in 116 that a school shooting happens at your school while you are attending.
To get your likelihood of being shot we’d have to know the avg number of kids per school and avg number shot per shooting.
Risk analysis is generally used for management to manage risks. If we were a superintendent of a TX school district with say 45 schools and we assumed 10 years in the job then the chance a school shooting happens at one of your schools during your tenure is about 1 in 3.3.
In my job >>
DrLOAC
Any catastrophic risk above 1 in 10,000 get flagged for extra management scrutiny and mitigation. Anything above 1 in 100 we probably aren’t doing it.
From a school safety standpoint it’s pretty pathetic that this is the best we can do.
MoonPieTown
So freaking glad this was top comment...I was scrolling down fast to comments about to go on a crusade but now I don't have to. It's fine to see the total numbers but if you're gonna break it down by state always show per capita as well.
blaghart
"per capita" is how you lie about numbers. For mass shootings to be "per capita" as frequent in california as they are in Wyoming you'd need almost 80x as many mass shootings in California as wyoming (39.5 million people vs 0.5 million people), and that's not how patterns work.
ghostofGracchusBabeuf
Thank you for doing the math on this
fedmoney
Too many per capita.
echonite
Yeah, this list almost follows state population
DoorTable
Also I feel population density would likely have a strong effect.
Forensickle
Actually, while this is obviously a list by population, the density isn't really so. Higher population density often means less violent crime per capita. The most deadly towns/cities in the US are generally very small. A pop density heat map would be interesting to see though. But as a non American, most of the big shootings (that we see) seem to happen in small towns by and large. -TBF, Orlando is a small town by Australian population comparisons
echonite
Absolutly. Pretty sure if you did a heatmap it would be localized around major cities.
Forensickle
Dunno dude, the most violent places in the US by population density are pretty tiny. The big cities with high violent crime are your small ones, Cleveland, anchorage, Jackson MI, corpus Christi tx. But within them more violent crime happens in pockets, and even those pockets have a lower per capita violent crime rate than a LOT of small towns.
Forensickle
Chicago is the GOP boogieman, and is the 20th most dangerous big city, on lists that include anchorage and Lubbock Texas as places you are more than 800x more likely to be a victim of a violent crime than in Chicago, despite populations being 10% of Chicago's
ManByTechnicality
Almost like any time you have a statistic about people the number goes up where there are more people.
thetonestarr
I did 1 shooting per x number of people, based on current population estimates.
1. District of Columbia - 1 in 12,642
2. Delaware - 1 in 57,332
3. Louisiana - 1 in 58,264
4. Maryland - 1 in 66,023
5. Tennessee - 1 in 68,858
6. Alabama - 1 in 70,984
7. New Mexico - 1 in 72,586
8. Arkansas - 1 in 84,500
9. Michigan - 1 in 85,914
10. Illinois - 1 in 86,091
11. Ohio - 1 in 86,912
12. Mississippi - 1 in 89,808
13. Missouri - 1 in 101,132
14. Montana - 1 in 101,976
15. South Carolina - 1 in 102,528
thetonestarr
16. North Carolina - 1 in 102,894
17. Alaska - 1 in 104,798
18. Georgia - 1 in 106,177
19. Vermont - 1 in 107,844
20. Pennsylvania - 1 in 110,987
21. Indiana - 1 in 112,621
22. Kansas - 1 in 121,632
23. Washington - 1 in 122,121
24. Virginia - 1 in 126,197
25. Oregon - 1 in 127,419
26. Connecticut - 1 in 132,896
27. Nevada - 1 in 133,608
28. Texas - 1 in 134,547
29. Rhode Island - 1 in 136,951
30. Wisconsin - 1 in 137,151
31. Colorado - 1 in 138,383
32. Iowa - 1 in 138,830
thetonestarr
33. Utah - 1 in 140,027
34. Kentucky - 1 in 140,807
35. Nebraska - 1 in 141,193
36. Florida - 1 in 142,296
37. Oklahoma - 1 in 143,928
38. California - 1 in 145,808
39. New Hampshire - 1 in 173,718
40. New York - 1 in 177,769
41. Idaho - 1 in 178,875
42. Minnesota - 1 in 191,410
43. Maine - 1 in 196,035
44. West Virginia - 1 in 218,876
45. South Dakota - 1 in 227,456
46. Massachusetts - 1 in 241,594
47. North Dakota - 1 in 259,901
48. Arizona - 1 in 262,523
49. Wyoming - 1 in 290,690
thetonestarr
50. Hawaii - 1 in 292,652
51. New Jersey - 1 in 302,611
There's 51 because it includes DC.
TrashCanEnthusiast
I did some quick maths: Obviously DC is an outlier because it's 100% city but...goddamn is it a hell of an outlier. Besides that I can't really make much heads or tails of it off the top of my head
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
Is this per entire capita, or per capita based on students? I'm not even sure if the latter is possible to find out.
ClasKittenVillain
I salute you!
Myowngrampa
Thanks. Also surprising to me as a non American. I was expecting Texas and Florida to be up top
3Davideo
Those two states are some of the most populous, so when scaled per capita they're violently yanked back toward the mean.
SaintSleepyWeasel
Also gators doing God's work there. ;)
MADchemEE
bmg50barrett
It's an outlier. Literal definition is it's something that doesn't follow statistical pattern and should be excluded from analysis of the norm.
Evi1Gav
It importantly shows that California just completely drops off the list.
TrashCanEnthusiast
Disclaimer: I used 2023 population estimates, and obviously populations have changed over the past 25 years, but I don't think it's worth the exponentially more work it would take to make them half a percentage more accurate. This gives you a pretty good idea.
Idontneedrealfacts
the numbers are still generally accurate to themselves percentage wise so as a ratio it still works.
random360
I uh... Have some bad news about the amount of time between 1966 and 2024.
TrashCanEnthusiast
Whoops lol. Misread that as 1999 and somehow you are the first person to point it out. With that longer timeframe population changes might actually make a substantial difference:
SunderedShadow
Where did CA fall on that list?
TrashCanEnthusiast
36th, 6.9292612 shootings per million
MisterLemons
Almost as if the gun control works...
W E I R D . . .
MindfulAmnesia
Seeing Delaware at 2nd and Maryland at 4th, the dots are a little easier to connect.
tallyhoho
I need help with the dots please
TrashCanEnthusiast
I think they're implying that just generally being near DC bumps the numbers up? but VA is down in 26th, so I'm not convinced that holds up