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fantastic sauce: https://blog.artfido.com/artist-who-is-tired-of-being-asked-to-work-for-free-starts-drawing-her-client-requests/
Twitter account of Artist: https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt
They’re part of a series titled “For Exposure,” and they were created for Format Magazine by Emmie Tsumura, a Toronto-based illustrator and graphic designer. If you’re an artist then chances are that more than a few of them will resonate with you!
https://www.format.com/magazine
shootsewvintage
Not an artist but I sew. “I’ll pay for the supplies!” Which is nice but what about my time and work? Sucks but not half as bad as this!
RustyCreakySqueaky
Canada!
neatoburritobandito
Instead of telling people I'm broke, I'm going to start saying that I have money hunger.
lurkerprof
My response would be "I'm not money hungry, just hungry and need money to eat."
Midgarmerc
I'm a photographer and would work for the last guy tbh
boberro
Yup, last one shows that author is already jaded AF
ChernoGamma
"Type this page up for me." Sure, typesetting starts at $30 per page. "That's bullshit, I could do it myself!" So do it. "I don't want to!"
metalfoto
Shit. As photographer, all of the above hit hard lol
ChernoGamma
I was a line cook for 10 years, I can cook anything a chain restaurant serves. But when I ask them to do it for me, I fucking pay for it.
LearningOnImgur
I love that. "I can do it...but I don't want to..." THEN PAY SOMEONE WHO WILL OR SHUT UP ABOUT IT.
Mekanismen
And then you have the opposite: "I'm a web developer" *uses fucking Wix*
asm80dfa8sdfj
Those make up part of the market sure, but a good portion of people who do that are dealing with the above clients, so they say fuck it.
Rectunator
To be frank I like the last guys honesty.
pokebug666
#4 But satisfying my money hunger lets me satisfy my food hunger and shelter hunger..
mormacil
But suffering enhances your creative energies.
PsycheClone
I've gotten that from women "Oh wow, can you paint/sculpt/make me something?" Sure how much are you wanting to spend? "Oh nevermind."
Atwthepig
Yep everytime. Like paper grows on trees. Shits expensive.
LuckyWristbands
I fucking hate that it is, we're all poor man
SchizophrenicMC
I mean, paper kind of grows on trees.
Atwthepig
Find me a tree that spits out 22 x 30 Arches 300lb gsm rough watercolor paper.
Ordinance
I am legitimately triggered by these. Back to drawing porn for income.
BossRoswell
I'm a designer. Nothing is more baffling or insulting than being told your skills are needed but your time isn't worth anything.
ChloeRed
Get it in most industries. I run an IT company, we still get the "tell me how to do X as we don't want to pay you to do it" ones.
SkylarGreen
"Sure thing. First, do you see that red button on your phone there? Yeah, just press that."
octopusincorporated
These are the kinds of people that love sausage but don't want to know where it comes from.
Zantek2
Reminds me of this story of this one store in, iirc, Chicago that brought in a cow to demonstrate where milk comes from. --
Zantek2
-- Customers were so disgusted by the revelation that milk sales tanked for a few weeks following the event.
Sp00kyVaginosis
Lmao fuck you +1 best comment
SpecialContainmentProcedures
I dont wanna know where sausage comes from either but I still pay for it.
420supercoolusername69
My personal favorite: “omg it must be sooo hard to make money doing art.”
ObscuraNox
#4 The word youre looking for is Hunger. As in general hunger, not money hunger. I know its tough to grasp, but I need money to buy food.
xXOccamsChainsawXx
This is how companies get a bunch of dicks hidden in any design they ask for.
Elerich
now im just humming "A whole new world" but with the lyrics "A hidden cock"
MrJitterfingers
"was is it on this page? Or was it on that page? I don't. Maybe you shouldn't stiff meeeee~"
williamvanauger
i just dont understand why it is so hard to figure out, you are hiring someone with skills you dont have. Fucking cheapskates
GrandmaSlappy
The worst part is when one of an gets a hold of th e programs and fancies themselves skilled enough
mormacil
Horror. The moment you find that someone in another department found photoshop and been sending 'newsletters' to customers...
SkylarGreen
Creative work is assumed to be "easy" by those who can't do it, and that the artist is so passionate about their work to work for free.
MystiCaliKotta
Which is weird, because people are also always saying they could never do that.
pancreas
the unfortunate part is that the irony is lost on these cheapskates. they act like the artist is the greedy one
LetsLazyKiwi
This shit is why I stopped working commissions, I just couldn't deal with the bs "offers".
BulkSausage
The worst business ever to get into. So hard to find a good job and everybody wants something for nothing.
moraismeep
The last one I can understand. As someone that's done art for friends bartering is fine. It means I don't have to pay for something.
moraismeep
Had a friend that was super tech savvy. Made him sculptures whenever he'd fix my PC.
thedarkcanuck
"The perfect applicant would have consistent income elsewhere" Then why the fuck would I be applying for another job if I already had that?
mormacil
Because you want something else but money, like a not drawing boring shit but space ninjas and hope it takes off?
SkylarGreen
They want a skilled hobbyist or a big name who does some pro bono work on the side to "give back" (a phrase that irks me to no end)
ceriously
Why would they “give back” when they haven’t received shit in the first place?
feren
This is absolutely the hell that every graphic designer/artist goes through with clients, corporate and even private. Love these, want more!
DeniseReade
This explains why artists never answer me. I need to specifically state I have money I'm willing to exchange for their service.
HebenonVial
As a Tattoo Artist I can't identify with this more. People dont understand that it's a livelihood and I can't pay rent with insta followers.
Junktrunkjunkie
as an animator. yeah and people tend to think it's easy. "The computer does the work for you" is a line i hear a lot.
SoberAndBored
As a writer: asked to submit articles or outlines "on spec" (i.e. if we like it, we'll pay you for it / ask for more from you that will be
SoberAndBored
paid) but required to sign over all rights to the work to them too: if they want to publish it / have someone re-write it / take the concept
SoberAndBored
and re-use it they don't have to pay you anything.
smelseatheawkwardturtle
This is one of the many reasons why I changed careers.
dgtalchal
Same.
neverhuman
Dude for real.
ChloeRed
After 20+ years in IT, 17 running my own company, we _still_ get the "tell me how to do X, as we don't want to pay you to do it" ones :(
Syrmerlin
So your response to this artist's plight is to steal her pictures and post them here for fake internet points?
CompassBear
Theodrian
"For Exposure"
BabaBooey734
The artist is exposing himself.
transientmind
You mean with several links giving the actual source and explanation, someplace where many will see it for the first time? Jesus.
dgtalchal
I wish there was a site to blacklist these "clients". So that other artists can be warned.
catfoodstudios
Not worth it. Usually happens with small to medium businesses. Too regional and many.
wobblecopterr
It can be this one
dgtalchal
Yeah, but it needs more info like name, company, email etc..
wobblecopterr
Just start making psa posts and ask for info/pics/stories in the comments.. make more, add tags, voila!
AnonOmis1000
Yeah but then you run the risk of vigilantism. I guess thats a risk with a dedicated site too.
dgtalchal
You do have a point though.
spetcnaz
It's not limited to artists. Any job that has the client/provider relationship has these issues. In IT many clients assume spending time to
spetcnaz
asses and do basic troubleshooting that takes about an hour or so should be free. "Hey but you just looked at it"
Notme68
"$10 for turning the screw. $990 for knowing which screw to turn."
spetcnaz
Yup
embermark
I work at a surveying/engineering firm. People keep asking us to "just add a line in the lot." Bitch, that's called a subdivision.
BossRoswell
That's not a bad idea. If you don't build it, I will.
malakim
You can build it for me. I do not have the funds available to pay for it at the moment though. You'll have to work for free and pay servers
dgtalchal
You have my blessing http://imgur.com/kRI4Pqf.gif
TankardHoot
Cool, but we can't pay you for creating any assets. It'll take a while for the site to make any money and we're all broke as shit.
donotlookatthelight
+1
BobTheBogus
You'll probably get sued for discrimination, or something
Notme68
I would imagine it would be harder to prove if you used their actual quotes.
texasdean
Discrimination is UNJUST prejudicial treatment of others. If this is illegal so are credit scores, they report if you pay your bills.
texasdean
You would probably have to be careful about it, but if you made it just like a review site I can’t see why not.
PugLookinFool
I want to be a "professional artist" but shit like this keeps me back. These people think we just live off of paint fumes and not real money
somanywonders987
As someone who is a freelance artist, I've only had one like this. Made a commission for a dude, after making two others for him, and gave
somanywonders987
Him a preview to make sure everything was alright. Forgot to censor/watermark it, he ran off, and I didn't get paid for 10 hours work. He
somanywonders987
Was the only one out of dozens of commissions, and hopefully the last, but don't let this deter you
VoidofStatic
Or think exposure is something you can live off of and not die from
LapisScarab
Most of it stems from the idea that art is a hobby and legit can't be a job. Most people do it just for fun, not professionally.
LapisScarab
It's what happens when a culture doesn't value art, you get this "does not compute" reaction when you ask for payment for a service.
flappyjackins
this. modern people consume so god damn much artwork, its insane. but they place almost no value on any of it.
NautiGal
yep. Verbatim quote from my dad "And if you become a starving artist, dont bother coming home"
kawaiitankguy
ilovesmashtaco
Yea this one the person was direct , sometimes some of this projects take off and if the person is not a douche will share the $, lol
ChainmailleAddict
So long as what they're saying is from an open ad, I don't see the problem. They're plainly asking for a volunteer.
Notme68
The one with having an income to see you through to the project end implies payout on completion.
BabaBooey734
Just add a late fee, interest and find a collection agency to back you. That will teach these entitled assholes to pay for services.
mypasswordisballs
This quote seems to be a preemptive statement, not one of trying to squirm out of a charge after the service is rendered
CloudberryMoose
Sounds to me like the answer to "why is the bill still not paid?"
jimbotherisenclown
Sounds like it could be either, honestly. Which one definitely affects how big of a dick the person is, though.
Porecomesis
Just feel like getting this off my chest: If you suck, stop sucking. I don't care if you're honest about it, I don't want anything to do 1/
EsportsLawyer
Getting this off my chest: If you were good, people wouldn't always expect your content for free.
Porecomesis
There's no such thing as a free lunch. Even a sketch is worth $10 minimum.
jimbotherisenclown
Not hardly. Great artists may be horrible at business. Also, if your audience is conditioned to expect stuff for free, adding cost is hard.
Porecomesis
with you if you're an unapologetic spog who knows it. 2/2
Notme68
Rather deal with a real asshole than a fake nice person.
Porecomesis
The former's no better than the latter. They're worse, actually; they don't even care to try.
ILovedUnicornsFirst
At least you know where you stand. Fake nice people are only concerned about how they appear.
Notme68
No! My unverifiable opinion is more correct than your unverifiable opinion (dammit).
masturbateswithstolencheese
What's wrong with the last one?
maxdefault
From where they get my cell phone not my big cameras.
masterk999
Nothing. Guys is upfront and honest. You can say no but the request is not unreasonable for just a no-pro pic.
shorr
Problem is, they're asking a pro and likely not offering enough beer to cover it. "Just do a quick one, I'll throw you 20€" is the same
SitDownAndStudy
Why can't they take their own ass pics? http://imgur.com/mAJaqeg
PegForMercy
Isn't that the english actor who did Doctor Strange and The Imitation Game?
Shoelebubba
Maybe literal. Literal Ass pics.
DomoriGato
Is it strange that I assumed that from the get-go?
BahamutBBob
Plot twist; good ASS pics.
mikeatike
Wrong kind of exposure.
WarMage
Trading a small quick job for something you were going to buy anyway can be a nice way to stock up on something like beer... but...
WarMage
Most professional *anything like photography* is ever as small and quick as the photographer wants, or gives as much beer as it should...
WarMage
A few shots with no touchups, just mailed off in a useable format, is still a 30 rack of something good worth of work...
WarMage
And the guy on the other end is probably thinking "6 pics = 6 bud-light sounds fair"
HomunculusSr
should be 160 proof or more. Possibly bleach.
psuedon
Some places you can't pay rent in beer
iSoulend
you live in the wrong places
asdfertjryjre
yeah, but then you don't have to pay for beer.
littleasianninja
Money not spent on beer can be spent on rent... economics!
404NameN0tF0und
But in all fairness he did at least (honestly) offer to pay in some form. Who cheats you out of beer.
ValueBear12
That’s true, but all this dude wants is Tinder pics. It’s not really a skilled request like the other. Half ass it, get free beer.
IdleNarrator
then do it yourself, or get a friend to make a few shots...
governmentgavemeagun
Depends who he's asking. if it's a "friend with camera", sure. If it's a professional who would be making $1000+ for a shoot, nope.
JalapenoSounding
That would be a lot of beer, most people don take into consideration that it's work for the photographer and that they have other work also.
glaug
Yeah but he's offering payment at the time service is rendered, not at some theoretical future time
RubyPorto
Right, the problem with that one is just that he's wildly lowballing the price, not that he's trying to full on stiff the photographer.
glaug
He didn't even make a solid offer, he just put out a request for bids
JalapenoSounding
I am a photographer I charge 60-80$ per hour, that is a lot of beer. I would do it for a close friend though tbh.
EsportsLawyer
photographers are lame
IdleNarrator
don't be an photographer then, cause you'll die of starvation. Not because you are bad at it, but rather because you are bad in economics
Longinus212
Unless you're in Australia, in which case it's an average amount of beer. Yes we have a lot of tax on that good shit.
valen00
ass photo should be like half hour, slab is like $50, it's all working out
krapmyself
You see, that right there is the problem: you chose "graphic designer" instead of "porn drawings of cartoon/game characters on patreon"
cunningcondor
You make me want to kill myself.
DangerSmoog
gay
Ulthirm
Doesnt mean you cant do both, but I mean I sure as hell aint putting "Softcore, and hardcore porn" on a resume.
sembor
Soooo, which Patreon-funded game that features orc dicks would you recommend?
somanywonders987
The former looks better on a resume, the latter pays. And I? Well, I do both.
triedtothinkofausernamethatwasntalreadytaken
Well lets see
Ryncakes
Same. Its infinitely more rewarding to draw big ol anime tiddies for $$$ than to create logos for people who don't even know what they want.
AxelYamanaka
but will you look good on *me*? Who cares about a piece of paper?
Namotatop
Common sense? You stop that.
koinuchan
Link to the latter please?
Vercci
And my name, Albert Shadman
ghostys
His name is Albert? Kinda ruins the image of him now, well the cp shit already did tbh
bamblebimble
Co? By technicality its only loli. I dissaprove wholeheartedly but its not illegal.
ghostys
Lol there's a reason he was arrested and taken to court
SpaceBunneh
He mixed Albert Einstein joke and shadman together. Don't be so gullible.
TheManyMadMasks
Genuinely interested to know what seemingly different skill-sets produce. Like a sculptor who does 2D animation, you'd think them unrelated
OccasionalManatee
Visual art types benefit from being able to "see" the idea and having fine control over hands. Related enough for some skill to transfer.
somanywonders987
Well, in my experience, you kinda walk before you run. It might not be all artists, but most I know start with 2D/traditional art before
somanywonders987
Sculpting. I feel for trained artists and self taught, the skillsets are about the same.
UnicornofPeril
Wait, you mean I could have been getting paid for drawing all these cocks? *Throws a pile of naked orcs in the air*
sembor
Soooo, which Patreon-funded game that features orc dicks would you recommend?
SmeesNotVeryGoodTwin
Dammit, there goes another source of free orc dongs. Now I'll have to wait for someone to repost them on reddit.
articsunrise
now you can (hopefully) get people to pay to see them.
luvas
"LOOKS LIKE ASS IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS"
UnicornofPeril
Great now I'm gonna have to shout that during D&D this weekend and it's all your fault.
flappyjackins
youve never yelled 'looks like meats back on the menu' in reference to
before? but its obscenely biological!
Fuckweasel
Former roommate of mine legit paid for college by doing commissioned artwork for the furry community. I've seen things. O.o
Martellus
You>
Fuckweasel
Yep.
StarGuardianTraps
Name checks out...kinda
Fuckweasel
Name isn't related. Thankfully.
flappyjackins
Hembrent
But in that community, a name can net you $800 for a hack-job. People love "celebrities."