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cbale2000
Has anyone even noticed the government shut down (aside from federal employees)? I say leave it closed, it doesn't seem to affect much.
KobeBurger
Leave the government...?
lellija
Visited Joshua Tree and Grand Canyon NP last week. Mad Max times over there. Good guy AZ keeping Grand Canyon functioning
jakeyJake66
Which is funny because the shutdown is over letting too many people in
iexpectthespanishinquisition
long live the Republic of Dave!
AnIrishPotato
*Laughs in Northern Ireland*
ReusableBastard
Don't you mean *explodes in Northern Ireland*
MidasTheAlchemist
I don't know what this means, and at this point I'm too afraid too ask.
alternativetoboredom
This is America, you can leave whenever you want.
WildBluntHickok
Tell that to the parts of the US who were forced in at gunpoint.
DarkHeresy
Ok then, that was always allowed.
ShieldAnvil1
1: I'm Leaving 2: Okay then that was always allowed. #RickAndMorty https://youtu.be/cLgJ3joF0h0
WelllllIllBeDamned
invisibulman
[If the government shuts down for a month, we shouldn't be paying taxes for that month either]. Change my mind.
BroseidonKingOfTheBros
Don't reward the anti-government idiots that have been campaigning on government shutdowns for a decade.
Puddingpopgang6969
Maybe if we were not using federal reserve notes....
mysocksmatch
We will miss you
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You*
Tortfeas0r
Indeed, the missing will be great
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Magicflutefreddie
Omg this is great.
Dogess
As a swede can I relate
LurkerOfDarkness
Still no new govt.?
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LurkerOfDarkness
Afair they get three tries before talmannen has to issue writs for a new election. But the business keeps going until then, it's not like US
wobblecopterrrr
If you can’t keep the doors open you would lose your job anywhere else.
FireBreathingStockBroker
Trump said something similar before he was president. Now he sees the value of a shutdown as bargaining tool.
wobblecopterrrr
What power does he have now that he didn’t have before?
Counterfit
Veto
Scalecat
The power of cognitive dissonance.
FireBreathingStockBroker
Congress is more vulnerable to public sentiment than the president. If public dislikes a shutdown, the house will give in to stop it sooner
wobblecopterrrr
That doesn’t appear to be true, but I guess we’ll find out.
Thatguywhosayskinky
You are legally allowed to leave any time you like, unless you're in prison - which really has nothing to do with the government these days.
PleasantPeasantPheasant
You're allowed to leave but in many cases you're not allowed to stay :/
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smashsouls
They do not allow me to leave without a refreshed passport. I can only get passports from the government. Checkmate, citizen.
Thatguywhosayskinky
Incorrect. They simply do not allow you to fly or take a commercial ship without one, nor drive through a designated border crossing.
smashsouls
So you’re saying I could swim the Gulf of Mexico as my only remaining option?
Thatguywhosayskinky
Swim, row, sail, walk, glide, parachute, bike, all valid means of exiting the country. Staying in the other country is a different matter.
SorryIamnotsorry
Define "leave" because they will hunt you down for your taxes no matter where you go and no matter how long you're gone.
StarrryNight
Doesn't that stop if you renounce your citizenship?
BrianBoyko
No, actually.
HenryLongfellowIII
No, you have to pay and settle the tax bill. It stops getting worse.
SarcasticComment
It takes years of paperwork for them to accept it. Would love a Royal Wedding reality TV show called Royal Bureaucracy
SarcasticComment
It is where that American lady goes through the "normal people" process of renouncing citizenship without an ounce of special treatment.
DeTobiasch
There's a shutdown in the US? For how long?
leftbanana
Until Trump runs out of pee in his pissing contest
marsgoose
US shutdown is BS bully tactic, it saves no money and they intentionally close services that inconvenience regular citizens
marsgoose
All govt. employees are still gonna get paid for this days they didn't work.
SpookyNerd
Until trump gets his wall-funding?
kittykat
I don't want the shut-down but I don't want wall funding. It is stupid. If they want border security, should go with modern options.
LurkerOfDarkness
So until time stops.
yzark01
untill he caves. no ones giving him the funding. its like the time he begged the mexican president to say mexico was paying.
sangfroidwarrior
It’s so far been 12 or 13 days. Only 25% is shutdown. Some furloughed, others work without pay. I’m one of the furloughed ones :/
cowman12
Working without pay here... historically we are all back-paid, furloughed or not. But who knows with Trump.
cowman12
But hey we can afford 5B for a wall right?
sharkwaffle
How does the work without pay work? Are they legally obligated to do their job and not get paid?
yzark01
welcome to america. trump shuts tge government down for a wall that wouldnt acomplish anything and people have to work without pay
marsgoose
not how it works
BasketoBiscuito
LITERALLY HOW ITS WORKING
kittykat
My understanding is that once funding is passed, those who work without pay will get back pay. However I don't know if obligated to work.
sharkwaffle
Alright that makes sense, I figured theres no way people are putting in 40 hours a week voluntarily and not getting paid
tesseract4d2
Plenty of government service jobs like TSA and military have disciplinary measures against them if they simply leave.
AeternalDreamer
People knew who the President was when he was elected, they should have expected things like this. I sure did. Feel free to leave if you 1)
AeternalDreamer
want, but some of us will keep fighting the good fight.
cantstopfire
No one is fighting shit. Y’all just sitting and reading news like lottery.
DinoKebab
I'm not a Trump supporter nor even America but even I know the US gov has shutdown multiple times with different president's. 1/2
DinoKebab
So you can't really just blame it all on him... It's your shitty government in general that's to blame. 2/2
SpookyNerd
But isn't the whole shutdown trump's idea? That it's shut until he gets the wall-funding he wants¬ the one government gave&he agreed2 1st
Halzjones
No, this time it’s a pretty obvious reason. Govt is shut down because we refuse to spend multibillions on an unnecessary wall. That’s why.
AeternalDreamer
A wall wouldn't work. They can go under or around if need be. They should increase funding for border patrol and maybe add sensors to detect
AeternalDreamer
illegal crossings.
Mistruths
The majority of illegals are people who overstay visas.
bthemills
Just like it was Obama's fault it was shutdown in 2013 for not getting the ACA passed. I assume everyone is being objectively fair here...
bthemills
No? That's the Republicans fault too? Hmm.... Funny how that partisan thinking messes with your common sense logic.
Counterfit
But ACA was passed. Before 2013, even...
AeternalDreamer
Obama had about.. one shutdown? This is Trump's third. Obama had two terms, Trump still isn't finished with his first.
DinoKebab
That's fine. I'm not saying he's better. I'm just saying to simply blame it all on the president doesn't seem entirely fair considering.
AeternalDreamer
He is just using it as a tactic to try to strong arm the government into funding a border wall that we don't need.
Scalecat
But he wants the blame. This is him refusing to do anything until he gets what he wants, literally, without exaggeration, as stated.
Gorgrim
Why, he admitted he would shut down the government if he doesn't get his way. Why not blame him?
bthemills
A simple Google search will show you're cherry picking facts and playing a "his half slice of pie is bigger than mine!" game. All these...
bthemills
Politician nard-sacks are the same. Obama's shutdown lasted about as long as Trump's combined. Bush didn't have any, and Clinton holds the..
bthemills
Record. Who gives a shit? It's all politics and both sides trying to make the other look like the villain. Stop buying into that nonsense.
DukeDarkwood
Apparently, the first federal-level shutdown was one day, the FTC agency ONLY, under Carter in 1980. Government shutdowns in following
DukeDarkwood
administrations: Reagan (1 day and 2 afternoons), Bush Sr. (3-day weekend), Clinton (two shutdowns totalling 27 days), none under Bush Jr.,