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psugab
Only time I took one seriously, I was working out of a hotel for site visits and got good and drunk before doing it.
AmericanDreamIsDead
If done digitally, it will not be anonymous. Trust me
Chriswagon1
someone published a book about a bunch of shit that went on at our company because the regular avenues didn't get results, we've had several anonymous surveys, office staff rate the place average-positive and manufacturing staff broadly negative, i know myself and others have put that managers are bullies etc, but it's only gotten worse each survey. We've got another next week but they're a complete waste of time, they just celebrate the average overall score and do nothing about the bad stuff
yellwfever
We had one of those at work. Manager walking around a few days later with a list of people who didn’t fill it out. Asking why they didn’t fill it out and when they were going to do it. Ummm, that’s not what confidential and anonymous means there.
wasiteverreal
Right click email, create rule, subject contains survey”, delete email.
thatiswhyyoushoulddoityourself
I got a friend who had to complete such a survey. They had to say which department they are in. Only her and her manager are in that department.
hotaru251
if its a seriously bad upper management you need to think about unionizing. Yes, union takes a bit of money, but Unions are only real pwoer lower totem poles have against the powers that be in business.
Sayagain
Our surveys went through a 3rd party to help remain anonymous. I simply filled out my survey with asking, why not just give us the money you're paying the 3rd party?
Arioso
My small company used to do these. One of the required questions was "What department are you in?" When many 'departments' only had 2~4 people in them. Very anonymous...
somnif
Yeah my manager only has myself and my coworker under her. REAL anonymous.
CrazedDrifter
Enter your employee ID number to continue
Sayagain
Sex, age, shift and race also.
laserfrog
Don't do it and see if they know you didn't. Check if everyone got the same link or not. etc. But never assume anon is anon, ever.
cousteau
At my previous company in our group they got the results separate by country. Only, our group is entirely based on Ireland except for one guy based on Italy. So yeah, you kinda could figure out which answers were his.
Hammerwell
If you can do it from an internet café and there's no number salad or id in the link, then it might do.
Spidey209
The Employee Survey showed that you are all concerned about Salary so we are going to monitor the market closely to ensure we are aligned wtih the market. ( And not a penny more )
JiffyGee
So…ages ago when I worked at a hardware store, we had annual surgery we would take as associates. It had typical questions, but then it had a section with a pretty ambiguous question like “what could we improve upon”. And it had no character limit. One year, after we got a particularly shitty store manager, I lit into everyone and everything that I had an opinion about. At this point I had worked for them for like 13 years. I wrote just in that one question, for 45 minutes. I like to think I…
JiffyGee
had a part in them revamping the questions to be a lot more targeted the next year and thereafter. I left no stone unturned, I wrote about every safety violation, pay, hours, how management could improve, etc. Never once was I talked to by management. I outlived 10 store managers and countless assistant store managers. Myself and one other person had been there the longest. I knew a lot at that store. I think that why I lasted so long. Even when my migraines became really bad, I managed to…
JiffyGee
stay. I do wonder how bad the paint department has gotten since I left. I was one of the only ones who downstocked enough to keep the overheads fairly clean and organized. Also made sure everything was ordered and we never ran out of stuff (like labels, tint, sticks, etc). Not to toot my own horn too much, but I had contractors and hobbyists that specifically asked for me to match paint, because I could get it pretty dead on.
KYGELL91
Make them sign an NDA
Turboslacker
The re-training will continue until employee engagement improves
lollipopmonkeybiz
OMG I felt that in my bones
psugab
That's the most corpo way I've heard that
Turboslacker
Inhuman resources has spoken
afambelafonte
You have to fill these things out like you're a happy-go-lucky worker bee. "I really do love it here! I do find myself getting a little worn out sometimes. I have high hopes that we'll be able to hire some more great people because sometimes I've got so much on my plate I don't feel like I'm able to do my best. But it's great!"
Froggie243
Fuck that. They can't fire you for these. Bitch away
afambelafonte
Oh they absolutely can.
IgnisInvictus
Holy shit I feel this.
twsx
Your Friend <<---------------->> HR
JackalopeElope
This is my privilege shining thru, but I was honest with my managers. If you're a stupid cunt, I'll find a very tactful way to say that to your face during feedback time.
dtallen243
I've done the same. The final production manager that I had at old job didn't appreciate me being "the loud american". The 3 before them appreciated it as did the clients
GravyEducation
This is why it pays to be proficient in bullshit. Don't do it forever but if you're not face to face to actually tell them what you think and try to work through any issues, bullshit works fine
Froggie243
I dont get the dunking on surveys. You gonna give me a platform to complain about something that makes my job harder, and it's monitored by leadership for whether you did something about it? Fantastic! Here's a list of shit to fix. Get crackin.
Shade169
heres your anonymous survey sent directly to your personalized email
DianNaoChong
Well they can read the comments and know who is who from the amount of times it says "fucko"
Degarafarat
Received on you personal workmail, beginning with: please state you age, city of employment, job description. Also getting reminders when the deadline is closing. Yeah, anonymous.
0xBADA55
Never be a shame :-)
PorneliusHubertII
Our surveys always ask what they could do to make workers happier and more motivated to try harder. I always put performance based raises....apparently that's corporate for pizza party.
PoorlyDrawnGuy
Manager here. The surveys are NOT anonymous. But I used to hate when I had to take them, so I specifically told my boss to hide the employee info when she sent them to me.
DoomchimpDave
Minion! Your anonymous company survey states that you don't trust management. Care to eleaborate on that?
cousteau
My former manager always started the meeting where he reviewed these surveys complaining that participation was low, and next he'd cheer for how most people gave a high score on the question "I feel safe about speaking my mind in the company". It never clicked.
MotherfuckingJesseEisenburg
I read "minion" and my brain decided this was a quote by Claptrap. Borderlands 2 is like oatmeal, it sticks to you.
masterpainimeanbetty1
replaying the series because of the 4 announcement. i had forgotten how fun an anarchy-built Gaige was.
stseregh
I've worked at a very good place for a few years, and later got to manage teams there. The surveys were indeed anonymous, but as long as you did write something meaningful there HR together with management had a fair chance of guessing who wrote what.
On one hand, I've never seen any direct vengeful action taken, on the other resentment still can build up, it's human nature.
AngurProne
ADP used to hire JD Powers to "award" them with "great place to work" plaques. There were meetings before the "anonymous" survey, to put into context the questions. If you were honest on the survey you'd end up in a room being bullied by your managers and HR, until you changed your responses.
cousteau
I gave a negative opinion on one of these surveys once, and a month later I found that my contract was not going to be renewed despite of them telling me repeatedly that it would. I'll never know for sure if those two things were related, but since then I never fill those surveys.
spittleteets
I'm going to preface my reply by saying I've never worked for a faceless mega-conglomerate (not assuming you do, but felt necessary for me to say) largest was a multi-city nonprofit. That said, I have found that most resentment comes from an environment (usually of fear or apathay) in which there is no communication, supers/managers lacking conflict resolution skills, and undefined expectations. Resentments are just unresolved conflicts and conflicts are differing expectations. Like you said ab
spittleteets
HR and being able to source the comment, on one hand some people will never feel 100% able to express themselves, on the other (not saying this was the case for you) I think the need for too much anonymity speaks to more systemic issues of employees fearing management being able to speak freely or the assumption that nothing will be done. Then there are some people who will always have nonviable suggestions bc its simply unrealistic or worse illegal. Heh. Sorry for editorializing
derpderpderp182
Very well put my friend.
spittleteets
Thank you! Kinda went somewhere for a second, glad that it was coherent!
feren
"We see you haven't taken your confidential, anonymous survey yet. You still have until next Friday!"
iamarealuser
Reminder does not make it less anonymous. Identification for email addresses, and at the same time for users who have completed the survey and who haven't, is usually done with a randomized tracking code. That is only used within the survey software itself. Not stored with the answers so that one could easily go and see what answer came from what email/user. It just lets the software know if user !8374jadfhj2348)(97 has completed the survey.
ThatShiftyMonkey
We had a corp survey like that and everyone filled it out minimally. One word answers, very subdued.
I suggested they try a more anonymous option. They sent out a survey monkey link with no ID stuff attached, and they got paragraphs from people about suggestions for improvement etc.
People DO want to give feedback. Without risk.
SoberAndBored
Every fucking month. They make us fill one out every single fucking month and hound us if we don't complete them promptly
thesmelge
Place I was at, you had to log into your employee account to fill it out online. Guaranteed it stored userId.
RayneOfSalt
The last retail store I worked at tried one of those. Upper management wanted us to print it out and sign it before handing it to store management.
MrRandom314159
I work in Data. I measure things out and only *I* can trace things back because I have the email confirmations. I don't share it out. Ever.
jammer909
Facts. That shit is never actually anonymous.
lostlittletimeonthis
Hmm my PIP came mysteriously right after one of those where I was less than generous with leadership score
undrh2o
Only 3 of us on my team of 11 have English as a 1st language. I guess I gotta throw in some funky grammar to throw them off the scent
CoinedWatcher
As someone from middle-management in one of these hell holes, it is as anonymous as they can get it. All we would get was a printout with ٪ of strongly agree/disagree and a type up of the written response. I was a security sup and reviewed all our reports, so I could tell who wrote what by the way the talk/type...
jayman0123
My company surveys are "anonymous", but it has breakdown statistics that show the store manager what people in different positions think. So when you are 1 of 4 people in a certain job, don't say anything too bad or she can definitely make some educated guesses who said what
Prekator
I'm pretty sure that my company would then bundle these 4 people into a different category. Not sure what the cut off is, but you probably need atleast 10 people in 1 group
Photeus
Thus defeating the whole purpose of the surveys in the first place. To me when businesses ask for these surveys done they are just asking their employees to be as patronizing as possible. I avoid filing these out or just answer in the dead middle if forced.
InTheBeginningWasTheNerd
That's dumb. I recently found out that my company doesn't even let the managers see anything unless a certain number of people from their team responded, since otherwise it would be far too easy to compare them with the list of people who answered the survey.
Of course, I found that out by going to a mandatory town hall with our second-liner who spent an hour explaining to us how not answering the voluntary survey makes our centre look bad, because the centre in India had like 90% answer rate.
xj4low
Please use this customized link to the survey to complete it.
AnythingMuchShorter
And remember to be honest, it's totally anonymous: megaCorp.com/profile?employeeName=MarkStevens&employeeID=1814392
MoralRectifier
It always bugged me when people use this trope. There's a big difference between simply knowing IF someone took a survey versus knowing the *content* of the survey. People tend to out themselves in the long-form feedback sections when they use grammar and a writing styles which a manager can easily identify. "Hmm, this person wrote 'WTF!" 9 times. That's gotta be Jerry."
kevlarburrito
Big part of that is older generations practicing nepotism and poor hiring practices for leadership positions. When I worked as a security operations manager I told everyone under me that I have an open door policy for complaints and constructive criticism or feedback. I took their concerns to heart and acted to correct the issues they brought to me. I fought other managers that tried to screw them over and constantly went to bat for them. Nobody… NOBODY fucked with my people
CedricDur
In the army we were asked to fill a survey after our obligatory 6 months. I went around what you mention by having everyone dictate and the same person wrote all the forms. Mine was 'most useless six months of my life I am not getting back'.
killernerd
sooo, in the end it's still not anonymous then?
ThomasThundersword
so cause of the writing style yeah thats a flaw (see other comment on how thats fixed) but in principle its the same as your ballot when voting. The fact that you voted or not is not only known, but is public record that can be looked up by anyone, but the contents of your vote is not known. in theory the survey can and should work the same way, if it actually is implemented the same way is an entirely dif question.
Richter12x2
However, we have already received and looked at the feedback from your other 4 team members. When I see the new feedback, I wonder who it came from?
Revnis
Personally I've seen the survey ask questions such as your department and such narrowing the information down to just like 3people so ya it might not say x gave a 3 one question 10 but it's not hard to guess who x is that's assuming you trust a portal your logging into via a work computer to actually be anonymous in given that trackers are in most work machines...
JusticePhrall
Department, length of time with company, positions held, a few questions to determine age group - it doesn't take much to figure out the mystery survey taker.
SonnyVabitch
We had a survey that started with a few demographic questions, but because of the composition of the department it was as good as signing it. Having marked your directorate, age, gender, length of service, it practically came down to one of two people. So we all lied.
wadatahmydamie
The area manager for my office visits maybe 3-4 times a year, and he requires these surveys… but there’s only three of us in my office total.
sardonislamir
This is why when I did a manager one I row it completely without punctuation. I wrote it so badly that there's no way and I use nothing but short words.
DelCorazon
Ah, fucking Jerry man….
RavenVG
Well, no. My company just had an "anonymous survey" but they told you not to share the link anyone.
Nakeela
At all the companies I have worked at where they use surveys they have a 3rd party not affiliated with the company anonymise and compile all the results specifically for this reason so it is as anonymous as possible. They are also the ones checking in on those who haven't filled out the surveys
OsbornThorsguard
Timing attack, if you have read all the other surveys already, and you then see a new survey pop in after you reminded someone to answer it, you can very easily figure out who it is from... Especially if there was only one person in the department who hadn't answered. So "just" knowing if someone answered or not can be used to know what they answered.
50m31AW
Or even if you're tracking who has and hasn't taken them yet. When I worked at The Lego Store there was only one computer behind a closed office door, so employees did them one at a time. I don't think corporate or anyone sold us out bc the company as a whole is pretty good, but I was thinking it'd be trivial to figure out I was putting my shitty manager on blast if the survey company just gave them the results with order information preserved. Not that it would've mattered in my case bc 1/
50m31AW
I had already filed NLRB charge for illegal retaliation after she slashed my hours when I reported her for using a racial slur while stereotyping an Asian guest among other unfair labor practices. And then the surveys resulted in a full on HR investigation bc other coworkers said they fuckin' trashed her shitty management in 'em too, lmao 2/2
Froggie243
They shouldn't be reading responses until the survey has closed. That's just shitty design. Anything run by a real company and not surveymonkey has that locked out on purpose.
sqeaky
You just described a major security failing. The manager shouldn't be getting the anonymized surveys. Someone else should be getting them and interpreting them and boiling them down to a simple report and if it's really bad getting it to the people who manage the problematic people and if it's really good giving it to the people directly. This and a million other failings are why people presume these things aren't anonymous, because they often aren't.
Milkarius
don't these things usually go through HR before being passed on? Granted I only worked at 2 companies, but it both (Dutch) companies did it through HR, which would make a report for the boss, and the rest of the company, to look at and discuss
YummyBubb1es
Better yet, do the surveys in an anonymity way. You can 1000% make the surveys nearly impossible to track who sent them. 99% of the times I've seen surveys it's been "log into this website with your employee login and take the survey". Don't do it. It's a trap
MoralRectifier
Great point and I 100% agree. I think this is actually an area where generative AI can help quite a bit, but summarizing survey feedback in exactly that way. Then, no human (manager or not) would even be in the position to make those inferences.