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Jul 24, 2021 4:26 AM
TheBloodyLady
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arfysdad
Head back to the classroom in two weeks for my 27th year. Four more years and I can afford to retire. Sigh...
CeruleanSky1988
My algebra 2 teacher in HS was 23, 23!!! she was one of the most brilliant people I've met. She quit after the first year to be a cop...
HeartsAndStars
I can make $1 more hanging up shirts at Ross than being a TA at my kid's school. I'm not gonna do it..... But I COULD. And that sucks.
Strostkovy
School administration could do a lot to make students hate school, and therefore teachers, a lot less
LilyBellGiantess
*fewer
gotigs
Hopefully @op didn't teach grammar
LeRoyRobenson
I am considering leaving mine in December. If I taught music lessons for 12 hours a week, that would cover my salary from teaching...
TheInfiniteUnknown
Thank a republican for all the problems with education in America.
Neoeon
Conservatives. The UK has the same issue. Right now our idiots are trying to bring in Nationalism in schools to brainwash the next gen.
arkemiffo
Her name is Abby Norman? Intentionally?
WrathOfJigglypuff
Thank you! You have restored my faith in humanity! I was saw the username and this was my first thought!
HotsauceIsLethal
I would become a teacher but I like to eat sorry
Scubasteve99
I was a 911 EMT in las vegas, left and work at a cannabis dispensary, better benefits, waaaay more money and better hours.
angryotterface
15 *fewer hours. It’s ok, you weren’t an English teacher.
followmeiknowtheway
OpJunkWrecker
Fewer hours*
lucivjov
The labour shortage will be temporary, but the quality of teachers will decrease and the education shortage will last long
EBlade19889
I trained to be a teacher. Education has taken such a major hit that it's not viable as a career anymore. I'm sorry to say it, but it's true
ThousandsOfDeadlySeaSnakes
Can confirm.
WhiteTexan
please do confirm; anecdotally
soylentbeef
Are you confirming that she, indeed, did quit teaching?
Blud4BludGod
I make as much bartending 15 hours a week as I did working 70+ a week as a Chef ten years ago. Not exaggerating.
MetaSomma
It took 5 years in a rapidly-advancing tech career (hopping jobs a couple times, multiple promotions) before I broke even quitting the bar.
somnif
I honestly do miss teaching though. Granted, I taught college classes. Hungover undergrads are easier to deal with than rowdy kids, I assume
ThousandsOfDeadlySeaSnakes
Same here. I honestly loved it but it is a 24/7 nearly thankless job. It's rough.
SaintSleepyWeasel
Can confirm #2
ThousandsOfDeadlySeaSnakes
Qualified to teach with my M.A. but still bartending haha
Brochiavelli
Can confirm #3. Faculty position. Pay was absolute trash. Fuck academia.
ChunLiRoyJenkins
Can confirm. Sorry I'm late, I was at work....bartending.
Ailryden
I was an English teacher. Now I'm a UPS driver making triple at -starting- pay... Moving boxes provides better pay and Healthcare. Its sad.
AmoAmasAmant
The way parents treat teachers is abominable
swarthod
I recently went to a coding bootcamp and half the people in my class were burnt out teachers. This was (mostly) before the pandemic, too
yhellothargoodsir
I work for a software company, a lot of the people that write/record our customer facing documentation are teachers or went to school for ed
yhellothargoodsir
Most of them said they moved to the private sector bc of pay/treatment.
BraveStrawberry
And they have class size that allow them to do what the entered the field to do: effectively teach children.
IamAlbertPotato
I used to teach high school, now I drive a truck. 40k a year more, way less stress, better scenery.
Dis606
What about health insurance? Even with ACA I’m sure it costs considerably more, no?
dudehiemer
The GOP has waged war on education for a long time, because even unbiased education leads to more liberal views.
softsuit
GOP are a bunch of gay slavers.
PizzaStation
Facts and reality have a liberal bias.
damogen
And it’s extra true in USA, since the entire country is so far right that it seems you completely forgot what left is.
beggingyourmajestyspardon
Because education destroys conservatism.
illogicalphallusies
by definition, conservatism is "dont change" while education is almost exclusively "what can we change to make it better"
NoahTri
Friend went from teacher to doing insurance claims, imagine going to school just to realize your career isn’t sustainable despite necessity.
ironballoon
Acuity?
MeSoErnie
Yeah I have 1 friend who went into insurance, 1 to sales, 1 flight attendant, 1 realtor, 1 to daycare, several stay at home moms
Chereazi
Well, duh, gotta keep qualified teachers out of schools to produce more GOP voters. Imagine all the liberals with good teachers! *shudders*
pdxenburg
Liberal states aren't really winning on education either
Cephalyx
Liberal states could do a lot better if they didn't have to prop up red states. I'd rather my tax dollars were spent in my home state.
pdxenburg
Both are just propped up by debt at this point. Nearly half of spending is from selling bonds.
pdxenburg
Schools are paid by local property taxes, and I'd wager those are on average higher in liberal areas
Cephalyx
That's true, but it wouldn't have to be if we kept our Fed income tax money at home.
dohcohv
3/4 of federal spending is military, Medicare and social security.
csullivan
Benefits, 401k, paid days off, holidays, summers. There has to be a trade off here.
IxnayOnTheOttenRay
Teachers have to buy ALL the supplies, parents think they're therapists/nannies, the pay is terrible, the school buildings are crumbling...
IxnayOnTheOttenRay
The only trade-off is the new spark behind a young person's eyes as they comprehend something new.
IxnayOnTheOttenRay
These poor folks are impassioned and fiscally disrespected.
reclusivegiraffe
i (starbucks barista) work with an elementary school teacher, who doesn’t make enough teaching that he has to also work part time at 1/2
KRicci
Used to work at Starbucks until recently. Coworker was a teacher, always trying to pick up shifts for extra money :/
reclusivegiraffe
starbucks and is currently living with his parents. (is moving out soon). 2/2
MarishkaGinny
In January I started crying in a Starbucks because I wished I worked there instead of teaching.
reclusivegiraffe
yikes. starbucks would probably make you cry sometimes too, though. people are fucking awful
blisfulloblivion
But at least less is expected of a starbucks employee. With each education program passed teachers are expected to do more with less
blisfulloblivion
Way too much is currently demanded from teachers with nowhere neer enough funding to accomplish it. Its a crapy situation that just gets wor
reclusivegiraffe
for sure. my sister taught for like 2 years in kentucky and had to quit because she developed severe anxiety.
loosersic
Where in the world are bartenders paid more than teachers? Guessing the US? I mean, it would explain a few things??? UK maybe?
Neoeon
60000 and 30000 (nationwide), teacher and bar tender, US. I mean, that's what Google says, I don't know of that's precise or not.
Neoeon
According to Google its only a matter of a few thousand on the low end - something like 25000 for Teachers and 23000 for bartender in London
loosersic
I started teaching primary school in Australia in 1988. AUD19k (GBP10K). It is now 65K (GBP34k)
dohcohv
Tips, you can make a shitload in tips. My wife's sister made $1,000+ in one shift on just tips.
loosersic
No tipping in Australia. Staff paid a fixed wage. A customer knows how much their meal will cost from the menu.
MadCat221
Like everywhere else, it's not a labor shortage but a pay shortage.
testecull
It's almost as if we're tired of being treated like shit by our employers!
dblemaster
Summer school teachers make $46/hour where I live. I'm considering a career change.
YouJustActivatedMyTrapCard
Remember that teachers often work WAY more hours than they're paid for.
G0nz
Can't imagine to play teacher for other people's asshole kids, no matter what you pay me :D
NickHazzard
As with most things, it is neither one nor the other, but somewhere in the middle
MacThunderfart
How much does a teacher in the US make? And is this above or under average pay?
BraveStrawberry
The problem isn’t necessarily the $60k/yr salary but that the schools don’t really provide supplies & so much comes out of their own pockets
Mingowp
Washington state minimum starting salary is $45,000/year. The highest teacher salary in my district is $94,000/year. That requires a
Mingowp
Master's degree plus 90 college credits beyond the degree and 16 years experience.
AlphaKingCoffeeBean
Indeed
lapus
Teacher here in flint Michigan. 17 years experience. 2 bachs and one masters. 35k.. and I had my nose broke 3 years ago and 1/2
lapus
They want to put in the contract kids can return to class after assaulting the teacher
TheSmogMonster
No. That's... Who would... Please tell me this is being fought...
lapus
Oh yeah. But honestly I feel like it's a losing fight a lot.
TheSmogMonster
You have my sympathies, because I know if you all attempted to defend yourselves you would never teach again... Best of luck.
activeracer28
Oh there's plenty of pay, it's just distributed fairly.
activeracer28
*unfairly
KrakedUp
Most people don't quit the job, they quit their boss.
Bigbabylons
This, wife wife works as TA in the UK the pay to hours to stress ratio is unbelievable.
MrFnortner
Enough people are saying yes to teaching jobs that the wages can stay low. Fewer people are competent at bartending. Also bartending brings
MrFnortner
in revenue. Teaching does not. I am not advocating for low wages for teachers but explaining them. If you can bartend, then go do it.
kaarbaakimgr
Teacher salaries are public knowledge. You go in knowing what you get paid.
BraveStrawberry
You might know what you get paid, but how much is really that after buying supplies? It’s awful how much comes out of their own pockets.
derekjohn
It's not just the pay, in the case of teaching the low social status, daily insults and constant threat of violence all play a part.
Nova5269
I used to feel bad about our math teacher in HS, she was clearly depressed. I could tell she really just wanted to do good and teach us but
Nova5269
Some of my classmates were colossal asshats b.c they discovered adults really couldn't do anything to punish them.
PizzaStation
That's not wrong, but better pay offsets some of that. For instance, "hazard pay" exists for a reason.
5amNonsense
I think with teachers it goes beyond just pay, but you're not wrong
Ilovehavingfreehealthcare
Teachers both deserve to be one of the highest paid, but also should be held to the highest standard. They teach the entire next generation
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mdymv4gxsx365
They going indirectly after the teachers too? Nasty.
LurkerOfDarkness
That's just a happy sideeffect for them, the real goal is to make a dumb and servile population they can enslave.
OrkoTheMagician
True, but a big part of it is that we don’t pay them enough to put up with the bullshit.
Kbantar
Even with good pay, most people won't work to be abused and in some places unable to defend themselves from attack without being fired.
OrkoTheMagician
True, but knowing many teachers, the normal complaint is that they love teaching, but don’t get paid enough for the other BS.
Kbantar
I'm sure the specifics vary a LOT across the country. My aunt and uncle retired early, because of the parents and administration BS.
CrunchyLookingLeaf
People don't get into teaching for the pay, but they leave because they feel undervalued. it usually ends up as 10 hour days for 6 hours pay
Ghostlogicz
Nah a lot of states let you teach with very limited requirements , ppl still don’t want to do it . It’s thankless , underpaid, and in this
Ghostlogicz
Pandemic era hazardous especially with states saying kids don’t need to wear a mask while you will be surrounded by them . The reponse
Ghostlogicz
Usually being you chose this job , yea and that’s why so many are tech posing career paths same with Med. field atm
mrbsings
Where? I have not seen any postings looking for teachers. Teaching is one of the hardest jobs to transition out of
OmgOptimized
And when the pay rises, so will the costs of goods. And that's how inflation starts. It's honestly going to be great if it does. 1/2
OmgOptimized
Probably tough too,but ever-decreasing interest rates just enriches the already rich at the expense of young people who don't own anything/2
WhichIsIt
Definitely true that being unable to buy assets now will hurt later.
OmgOptimized
Only as long as interest rates stay this low or keep going down. If they go up, that will put downward pressure on asset prices.
giordanom
There is already an average 3% inflation a year, and wages have stagnated for 50 years. This conservative bugaboo is played out.
OmgOptimized
I assure you I have no political ties, not even from the US. As for inflation, that depends on the measure, the US CPI hasn't been 3% much.
giordanom
Fact is, minimum paying jobs are only a tiny fraction of company costs, and increasing those low wages doesn't significantly increase cost.
THExPILLOx
Yep, nothing else could possibly attribute to the inflation, it is only when pay for lower-middle class people raises...fuck outta here
OmgOptimized
Why is that so offensive to you? Like I said inflation isn't a negative thing. Far from it.
THExPILLOx
Because you're regurgitating decades old disproven economic theory. You're fake news and thus... You can fuck off
OmgOptimized
I'd be interested in a counter argument, then.
OmgOptimized
Or, you know, like something I can read.
V4MSU
OmgOptimized
Are you saying more people affording more things *won't* increase the prices? Again I'm not against higher wages at the low end at all.
V4MSU
I'm saying it's affect on prices would be marginal. We've already seen a solid decade of inflation with stagnant wages.
OmgOptimized
Given the content of that link, my point has not been delivered well, so here it is again in more detail: If the people who make the 1/2
V4MSU
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/what-minimum-wage-increases-did-to-mcdonalds-restaurants-and-their-employees-11611862080
Hyero
The inflation has already begun. The cost of goods is steadily inflating while pay is stagnating.
OmgOptimized
It's not really that visible in the CPI though right? At least where I live, the things I save for aren't really included in our equivalent.
OmgOptimized
When the inflation measures start to move, I think the interest rates will be increased and that in turn will invert the price trend 1/2
OmgOptimized
for things that aren't in the indexes in particular, because them falling doesn't draw down the index. 2/2
mesogiria
Is there a shortage of teachers?
alecmrcraig
They are now giving signing bonuses
testecull
Yup. There is no valid reason for a school class to have 20-40 kids but that's the norm k-12.
WhichIsIt
That’s usually a shortage a funds. School budgets limit staffing. I think most schools would love smaller classes.
testecull
Kids learn best in smaller groups where the teacher can get to know each and every student. When groups are that big they can't do that.
testecull
If they can't do that, they can't effectively 'reach' their students, and so everyone does worse.
testecull
If we had enough teachers we wouldn't have to cram so many kids into each class.
GamerZakh
Yeah I was a teacher too. I make way more now with far fewer hours. Plus, any time I tried to improve the school I was blocked by management
prfesser
And the usual reason for blockage: "We've never done that before!" smh
afatrollofmyown
People will praise you for your "out of the box" thinking until it wants to change "this is how we've always done it".
GondwanaCraton
Plus all the additional schooling needed to advance. A friend is a teacher, one of the best educated amongst us and still making far less.
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GamerZakh
I am a teacher and do know the difference. Hours can be counted, therefore 'fewer' is used. Less time, fewer hours.
GamerZakh
There's an exception when it's an amount of time. "Less than 2 hours" is correct, but for hours in general it's 'fewer'.
GamerZakh
Similar to why you'd say "I have less than 50 dollars" but also "I have fewer dollars".
RedOrbTalon
Are you the YouTuber? I love your videos ?
GamerZakh
I am, thanks!
Norwegurian
This is what i will never understand about americans, here we try to help eachother and teachers get their fair share
astrangehop
Here we build a private school, fill it with neurotypical rich kids that have tutors, expel anyone who does poorly, then give it public mone
astrangehop
y. Because they test so well.
GamerZakh
Specifically, I was blocked from improving my school because it made the main campus look bad, because they couldn't do the same.
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
I mean, that floral wallpaper on the gym walls was maybe a bit much ...
IdUpvoteYouButYoureAt69
What do you do now?
GamerZakh
I went and became a designer, freelance and with companies. Did some TV hosting. After 5 years the YouTube thing started paying more.
Means
Subscribed. Good for you ?
GamerZakh
Every job I had paid more and took fewer hours than being a teacher.
flyingmonkeystick
YouTube channel name?
StorytellingSalem
Vote for people who say “we need to deprofitize public education and peg inflation & teacher pay to 100k a year.” Or run for office on that.
RealNamesAreNotGreatUsernames
My dumb ass thought that said "deprioritize" and I couldn't figure out why it has so many upvotes.
katidragon
Hell, we also need to stabilize school funding so we don't just create a system of winners and losers with imbalanced budgets.
tangybreath
Peg inflation? Well, I'm not sure how but I'll try
ananfro
You had me at peg
iCommunicateInGifs
meganical
I’m seriously considering running for a position just so I can improve the fucking shitty transit system! That’s all I want!
StorytellingSalem
Do it. The enemy is within. Do it. Do it for your country
mohavewolfpup
Be prepared for the opposition to dig deep into your past and smear it around the time you said “teacher is a doo doo head” ?
SaintSleepyWeasel
Wish someone would.
NortherWinslow5
Spoiler alert...
StorytellingSalem
Wish granted! Go look at the mirror and you found our local hero of that person’s community! WOOOOO!!!! FKER GONNA CHANGE THE WOOOORLD!
soepie7
Yea, running for office is a bit more complicated than that.
StorytellingSalem
People who think like that; dont run. People who dont; run. Guess who has a higher chance of winning? The runner.
AtomIndigo
Dude, you're absolutely right but your delivery sucks ass. Idk if you care about that sort of thing but your bedside manners needs some work
ElynaerDeiros
And the runner with one leg falls flat at the starting line. It's more complicated than "just running".
Weblord
Wot? American schools are profitized? How are you guys going to unravel all this shit?
Chimponzoo
Poster is talking about college, not primary & secondary levels. Those are a huge economic drain in the US.
MrsGogol
Swedish schools can and are run for profit, and it shows. No one knows how to undo the damage, some deny damage has been done.
SpitMatt
I can understand the odd tuition fee here and there, but for profit education is a major reason the US is fucked
maskedrabbit
Hard reset
BNabs
They aren't. It's gonna have to pop and be built from the ground up
ztygs
Yes. But at least their prisons and hospitals are not. ... Wait..
atheistzombie
Fascists, political corruption, police violence, income disparity and gun ownership are all on the rise...I'm predicting civil war.
atheistzombie
I'm not happy about it, but it feels inevitable.
StorytellingSalem
Its not. Get involved. Run for office.
pdxenburg
The whiney progressives on here when a wealthy CEO develops space travels is pretty unhelpful as well
leicanthrope
Develops space travel? What were all those astronauts and cosmonauts doing back in the day?
pdxenburg
It's all stepping stones
atheistzombie
pdxenburg
I'd be more persuaded if you were capable of saying something intelligent
pdxenburg
You don't think the guillotine memes and "choppy choppy" is a dangerous precedent and irresponsible behavior? How is that less of a threat?
Markamanic
Everything in America is for profit. From mail delivery, to school, to prisons, to politics. Its truly fucked beyond salvation imo.
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
No, schools are public I have no idea what they’re talking about. We have private schools too, but everyone has access to public education.
HotStrongid
I think they mean post-secondary Ed? Which is a lot of private, but non-profit. Genuine for-profit ed is shady af. (Kaplan et al.)
MokiYoki
Schools in the states are run for profit. It's geared to funnel gov money into shitty cafeteria food, textbooks and other contracts.
MokiYoki
Don't you think it's unusual that the schools get 15k per student yet can't pay teachers 100k per year when they teach classes of 30?
MokiYoki
Per student funding in Australia is just 3k and yet teachers here in Australia make 65 to 75k to start with.
talanthalas11
Except the public education isn't standardized; thus it varies from state to state; and while it's not profitized, it's also barely funded
HotStrongid
Education shouldn’t be standardized from student-to-student, let alone state-to-state.
Jak8714
I mean, I see you're point, but then we have shit like California teaching kids sex ed, and South Caronlina teaching 'why having sex will
HahaA10GoBrrrr
I mean, the textbook companies make fucking bank. It’s all Pearson, iirc.
friedmarmalade
Maybe in colleges. Most primary schools can’t afford to buy new textbooks so they use old outdated ones.
mknut389
While it is "non profit" everything that goes into it is. Books, curriculum design, construction, etc. It makes people money.
pdxenburg
That's crazy that construction companies expect to make money
mknut389
Teachers, admin, etc. Don't get to share in that