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Alrighty folks, here's your part two!! This one I'll be focusing more on captivity v.s orcas in the wild.
Bahahaha!! I put this one because I love that he knocks her over. (She was fine)
On February 20, 1991, Keltie Byrne, (left) a 21-year-old marine biology student and competitive swimmer, slipped into the pool containing Tilikum, Haida II and Nootka IV while working as a part-time Sealand trainer. The three orcas submerged her, dragging her around the pool and preventing her from surfacing. At one point, she reached the side and tried to climb out, but as horrified visitors watched from the sidelines, the orcas pulled her screaming back into the pool. Other trainers responded to her screams, throwing her a life-ring, but the orcas kept her away from it. She surfaced three times screaming before drowning, and it was several hours before her body could be recovered from the pool. On July 6, 1999, a 27-year-old man, Daniel P. Dukes, (right) was found dead over Tilikum's back. Dukes had visited SeaWorld the previous day, stayed after the park closed, and evaded security to enter the orca tank unclothed. An autopsy found numerous wounds, contusions, and abrasions covering his body that were caused by Tilikum. The autopsy concluded that Dukes' cause of death was drowning. The medical examiner reports that no drugs or alcohol were found in Dukes' system.
On February 24, 2010, Tilikum killed Dawn Brancheau, a 40-year-old trainer. Brancheau was killed following a Dine with Shamu show. The veteran trainer was rubbing Tilikum as part of a post-show routine when the orca grabbed her by her ponytail or left arm, according to differing eye-witness reports, and pulled her into the water. Brancheau's autopsy indicated death by drowning and blunt force trauma. Tilikum returned to performing on March 30, 2011.
On November 21, 1987, trainer John Sillick was riding on the back of a female orca when Orky II, a five-ton male, jumped and landed upon him. Sillick had to have multiple surgeries; his back, hips, pelvis, ribs, and legs were severely fractured. The incident led to the firing of SeaWorld's president and 3 other employees. In an interview, he said, "I'm learning to walk again.
Orcas in captivity frequently hurt themselves on the enclosures that have metal, concrete, and plastic pieces
Nearly all whales at SeaWorld (from subadult to adult) have broken, ground, missing or drilled teeth. No percentage has been generated, but we’re working on that. It is truly epidemic in their collection, and among orcas held by other companies. Poor dentition is a strong predictor of a variety of health issues among other mammals, so it is reasonable to assume that, over time, teeth problems negatively impact the health of captive orcas.
On November 29, 2006, Kasatka, one of SeaWorld San Diego's seven orcas, grabbed her trainer, Ken Peters, by the foot and dragged him to the bottom of the tank several times during an evening show at Shamu Stadium. The senior trainer escaped after nine minutes, when Kasatka released him. The whale then followed Peters, proceeding over a netted barrier towards Peters. This was the second documented incident of Kasatka attacking Peters and was the third most widely reported of all the SeaWorld incidents.
SeaWorld breeds its orcas way too young. Kalia isn’t the only orca to have been bred too young. Several other females have been bred early despite scientific studies say that the average age in the wild that female orcas begin to reproduce is 14.9 years. Here are some of the more notable instances: - Taima gave birth to a male calf at SeaWorld Orlando in 1998 -- age 8
- Kohana, SeaWorld San Diego, had her first calf, Adán on October 12, 2010 -- age 8
- Takara gave birth to her first calf, Kohana on May 3, 2002 -- age 10
Tillikum's family line, he has been repeatedly bred with many of his family members.
The largest orca in captivity (Tillikum) lived in this swimming pool
Different types of orcas
Puget Sound orcas
Orcas in the wild have an average life expectancy of 30 to 50 years—their estimated maximum lifespan is 60 to 70 years for males and 80 to over 100 for females. The average age of death for orcas who have died at SeaWorld is 13 years old.
Orcas off the coast of Argentina, use the surf to propel themselves past the edge of the water to snag seal and sea lion pups as they play, blissfully unaware of the danger. Sometimes they eat the seals for themselves; other times, researchers believe, they pull the animal into the water to train young orcas for future hunts, according to National Geographic.
An interesting figure to note is that there are no recorded cases of orcas killing a human in the wild, but as most of us are aware, there are various cases of the whales attacking and occasionally killing people when kept in captivity.
Killer whales are large, active and intelligent. Males range from 6 to 9.7 m (20 to 32 ft) and weigh over 8 tonnes (8.8 tons), while females range from 5 to 7 m (16 to 23 ft) and weigh 3 to 5 tonnes (3.3 to 5.5 tons). It is extremely difficult to capture killer whales and to provide a healthy environment for the captives. Early attempts in the 1960s caused many injuries and deaths. However, with experience the teams who specialized in the business became more adept and post-capture survival rates improved.
The first captured North Eastern Pacific killer whale (Wanda) was caught in November 1961 by a collecting crew from Marineland of the Pacific in Los Angeles. The 5.2 m (17 ft) orca was placed in a tank at the aquarium, where she repeatedly crashed into the walls. She died the following day.
A turning point came with a mass capture of orcas from the L-25 pod in August 1970 at Penn Cove, Puget Sound off the coast of Washington. The Penn Cove capture became controversial due to the large number of wild killer whales that were taken (seven) and the number of deaths that resulted: four juveniles died, as well as one adult female who drowned when she became tangled in a net while attempting to reach her calf. In his interview for the CNN documentary Blackfish, former diver John Crowe told how all five of the whales had their abdomen slit open and filled with rocks, their tails weighted down with anchors and chains, in an attempt to conceal the deaths.
The majority of today's theme-park killer whales were born in captivity: 33 out of 56. Kalina, a female orca born in September 1985 at SeaWorld Orlando, was the first captive orca calf to survive more than two months. Kalina's mother is an Icelandic female named Katina, and her father, Winston (also known as Ramu III), was a Pacific Southern Resident, making Kalina an Atlantic/Pacific hybrid — a unique situation that would not have occurred in the wild.
SeaWorld San Diego, San Diego, California; home of Corky II, Orkid, Kasatka, Ulises, Nakai, Kalia, Ikaika, Keet, Shouka, Makani, and Amaya
SeaWorld Orlando, Orlando, Florida; home of Katina, Trua, Nalani, Kayla, Malia, and Makaio
SeaWorld San Antonio, San Antonio, Texas; home of Kyuquot, Tuar, Takara, Sakari, and Kamea
Tillikum tax R.I.P. Beautiful boy
pennetteAlfredoIsNotAnItalianDish
Ironic, we call them "killers". I guess how we should call ourselves then.
BigBenThisHeresRubberDuck
Imma need about $7.00
Kyuukichi
Humans are disgusting beings sometimes
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Yes, we are
AdoptOneUntilThereAreNone
Yeah I saw blackfish too.
Burlybear45
Lol
TheTruthHurts101
Great read. Thanks
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
You're whalecome lol
tczkaixiii
Holy shit this is riddled with errors. Remember, imgur, do your own research.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Umm , and what is your source that these aren't accurate? SeaWorld?
sydneygirl
thanks OP, nice post!
JMPerez920
I liked you until I saw you being condescending to anyone with a different opinion in the comments.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
And I'm okay with that. I'll argue with anyone willing to keep these highly intelligent and social creatures in a damn swimming pool.
worldsokayestspeler
Id get up close to a fucking tiger before id ever get close to an aquatic predator of any size.
Osrane
My favorite animal, so beautiful.
3point141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105
I had no clue seaworld had so many orcas. It's vile how poorly they're treated.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
The actual list of all captive orcas is 5 pages long
IKnowWhatImAboutSon
Or 1 with a small font
theoldgaffer
People are such fucking cunts.
erbiumyttriumytterbium
Even without the incidents, it was all a big craziness born out of a desire to make money.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Randomshitforfun
You forgot to mention seaworld is stopping breeding, and stopping orca shows. Also, it makes sense there are deaths in captivity 1/
Randomshitforfun
As it would be law of averages, humans aroubd orcas more, higher chance of death
fouroneone
Also Daniel P. Dukes may not have had drugs or alcohol in his system, but that is very misleading as he was mentally unstable.
openyomind
Just like me :')
11wasaracehorse22was121111race1dayn22112
I don't fancy getting on the wrong side of a 5 ton meat eating fish.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
I'm still kinda new to posting and I can't figure out how to edit my post. Sauce: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_killer_whales
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
http://worldofanimals.org/2016/03/20/orcas-off-the-shores-of-argentina-have-learned-to-beach-themselves-to-hunt/ national geographic
CaptainLongJohnSlither
Whale that was interesting!
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Spiderkeegan
What was the porpoise of this pun?
JMPerez920
Another story of Sea World related animal abuse is Smooshi the walrus. See @walruswhisperer on Twitter or savesmooshi.com to learn more.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Thank you!! Always down to learn about other animals in need of a voice
ju222nk
Utterly vile practice to exploit these beautiful creatures :(
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Definitely
RonaldFckingSwanson
Isn't it unknown how long orcas actually live? There's a female orca who lived to be a 100 but died recently or is presumed so?
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
60-70 for males 80-100 for females
imnotaserialkiller
The breeding program was already halted. The shows will stop by 2019. The current owning group of seaworld are actually good people. 1
imnotaserialkiller
So are most of the people I know that work for seaworld. The rescue work that seaworld does would not be possible if not for the parks. 2
imnotaserialkiller
What was done in the past is deplorable, but that was at least 4 ownership groups ago.
Randomshitforfun
This^^ seaworld has saved quite a few animals, including winter the dolphin in the Clearwater aquarium
Coopernius
I was just there last weekend! It's a smaller aquarium but it's great for educational stuff and petting sting rays!
mjg1844
Thank you. I know a lot of people who have worked for sea world and they do way more good than evil.
iDigDinos
Well these high intelligent and family oriented animals don't belong in tiny glass tanks for people's amusement. They starve these animals
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
My whole damn point, lol. Idiots on here trying to argue with me are just obviously fine with this atrocious practice
iDigDinos
so they perform tricks for shitty fish. Of course I'd be downright murderous if that shit happened to me too!
mycatiscalledmerlin
Is the flopping of the dorsal fin related to them being kept in captivity?
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Yes 100% of captive orcas have the collapsed dorsal
mycatiscalledmerlin
Thanks I wanted to know if there was a correlation.
Dreigiau
I know at least most do, but then what's with #2 and #6 ?
99Pcar
It is apparently almost all male orcas have the flop.
IfYoureReadingThisImDrunk
I don't think it's 100%. The collapsed dorsal does, however, only occur in captivated orcas.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
That's what I meant, my phone autocorrected and made the sentence come out wrong lol
IfYoureReadingThisImDrunk
Oh! Okey doke! Great post! Thank you!
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
You're whalecome
originalBabewiththePower
Do you think captive orcas kill trainers because you can't breed out instinct, boredom or..?
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Boredom, wild orcas have never killed a human.
originalBabewiththePower
I know they don't kill humans in the wild... just curious if maybe it was misplaced instincts.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Marine biologists have confirmed its behavior learned and seen only in captivity as the animals get bored not being able to swim the
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Hundreds of miles they would normally swim daily in the wild
originalBabewiththePower
Thank you. I enjoy learning new things.
99Pcar
So, you just summarized Blackfish, you know the documentary? With their footage?
Wombatfisher
Which was full of inaccuracies and stretched truths.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
No, it was full of eyewitness testimony from trainers that worked there. Did you watch it at all?
Wombatfisher
Did you watch/read any follow up interviews with those same trainers? Their words were twisted.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
What documentary did you watch dude?? Whatever, not even worth my time
Wombatfisher
Start here: www.advancedaquarist.com/blog/former-seaworld-killer-whale-trainer-responds-to-movie-blackfish it's really easy to research
rosekettles
Do you have any proof on that? i'd love to read up on it as i wouldn't inherently assume a documentary is bias
Wombatfisher
www.advancedaquarist.com/blog/former-seaworld-killer-whale-trainer-responds-to-movie-blackfish you can start here.
thedistancetohere222
Why would anyone ever pay to watch any animal being exploited?. Elephants aren't happy balancing on balls and bears don't belong at the mall
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
I don't understand it myself, how would you like it if we did the same to you kind of thing ya know?
FatDylan
Kinda turned on ;) no but seriously it's tough thinking about all the animals that get the shit end of the stick :(
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Lol, definitely
Lucidacide
How about domesticated animals ? We use horses or camels in many ways too : for work, sport, circus... I'm interested in your opinion.
thedistancetohere222
Work/ sport horses and camels aren't forced to suppress every natural instinct they have for something as frivolous as a entertainment. Pt 1
thedistancetohere222
Pt 2 Regardless of purpose: food, sport, work, they should be treated with dignity and respect during the course of their lifetime.
Lucidacide
Yes absolutely. But sometimes the border between what's acceptable or not for animals is blurry and varies depending on the species. 1/2
Lucidacide
I mean people are angry about orcas being kept in tanks but what about smaller dolphins and sea lions ? They're also intelligent mammals!2/2
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
I myself have always been vehemently opposed to circuses of any kind. And refused to attend one when I was a child. It's a delicate balance
Lucidacide
I can relate to that but I wasn't talking about circus in particular.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Ah, please elaborate?
Lucidacide
But there's also circuses without any animals (only people), or just with horses and such.
TheZulthar
As much as I agree with you, I hope at some point in the future we can restart these shows when we know more about these wonderful creatures
TheZulthar
And In a way that isn't detrimental to there health
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
There is no way to keep an orca captive that would not be detrimental to their mental and physical health
Rukel
You say that like it is a Dogma that will remain true forever. There is no way right NOW. No one knows what the future might bring.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Weather there is a way to do it properly in the future or not it's still wrong. And if you are seriously okay with it then you can fuck off
TheZulthar
So, what's the difference between them and dogs, cats, bunnies? When we can safely breed them and keep them what makes the orcas different?
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Orcas are wild animals, not domesticated animals
Rukel
I never said im OK with it, i just wanted to put your hardline attitude into perspective.
alpacabasket
Did you post this because you're passionate? Orcas you want internet points?
TyrannosaurusMex
I expect you are serving a useful porpoise.
SourceisalwaysBackDoorSluts9
I see what you did there!
Lasaagna
That pun was whale done.
UnoDosThree
I sea what you did there.
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Excellent pun though 10/10
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
I belong to several conservation groups and clubs working to make all of this illegal.
TehStoner
Username checks out
slzydud
Serious question, not trying to be a dick- Do you hate the zoo too?
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Depends, I'm not against facilities that keep animals that were injured and have no chance to be released into the wild because they
TheAngryMarineBiologist
I disagree with you, though I respect your opinion. That being said, because of my username I'm obligated to call you a cuntwomble
TehStoner
I have no clue what a cuntwomble is, but I'm damn sure gonna use it from now on!
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Wouldn't survive, anything else in my personal opinion is cruel. There is no excuse for ripping animals from their natural habitat and
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
Their families simply for our entertainment
Evilwall
Now I know how they jerk off whales.
BalfMalark
Could have asked your dad
malikcarr
The real tragedy of SeaWorld ending their breeding program is that the orcas will only procreate naturally now. So no more orca-jerking-off.
eruditic
slowbird
Is that Bill Paxton? Where is this from?
eruditic
Weird Science
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
You're whalecum!!
Evilwall
Good pun, 10\10
YouWereAlmostAJillSandwich
5/7
Spiderkeegan
danishjuggler21
You wanted someone to set that joke up for you, didn't you?
IFuckingHateStupidPeople
So bad
YourLittleBuddy
C'mon.... That was mine. ;-)
IFuckingHateStupidPeople