Code of Honor

Apr 19, 2016 1:19 AM

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In 1943, 21 year old Charlie Brown flew his first mission in a B-17 bomber over Bremen, Germany.

Although he was able to drop his bombs, his plane was crippled and quickly fell behind the formation. The anti-aircraft fire knocked out one engine, damaged another, wounded three men and killed a gunner.

Franz Stigler was a Luftwaffe ace at the time with 22 confirmed kills, had shot down two planes in the same encounter, and was a kill away from a coveted medal. He later said he'd never seen a plane with that amount of damage and still in the air. Stigler drew close and lined the plane up in his sights.

"I felt absolute helplessness...you know, totally subject to his whim'.

"Do you remember Charlie's face?"
"Ja, I remember his face."
"What did you see in that face?"
"Horror."

Stigler had a commanding officer who told him he would personally shoot any pilots he heard bringing down parachutes. Stigler said Charlie's crippled bomber was like a man in a parachute. He did not fire. Instead, he escorted Charlie to the coast, where Charlie made an attempt to cross the Channel into England.

"What do you owe Franz Stigler?"
"My life."

Charlie began looking for Franz in 1986, and found him living in Canada in 1990. Franz learned about the 25 descendants of the men he had spared, who would not have been born if he had shot. Franz and Charlie became close friends until their deaths, months apart, in 2008.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54gwls9E0Ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRKQvmT3Xhs

FP Edit: I hadn't seen this story on imgur yet, and thought it was too good not to share. Stay classy, you awesome people you.

Fuck. Life, eh?

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Read the book @OP, it's wonderful.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I can't even stop from killing someone who's on pause in a fps

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Were any of those descendants a premature-born paramedic and the doctor that helped deliver them?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Some artistic depictions of the scene by John D. Shaw: http://imgur.c">/nRVaS5h">http://imgur.com/nRVaS5h /wGCnn5P

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

War bring the worst out of people, and sometimes the best

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Good grief!

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

How does one "confirm a kill"? Like Snow White's stepmom & ask for the heart?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

we can fight as enemies, but once the war is over then get over it

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Charlie said in an interview that they both understood they did what they had to for their sides and were part of a brotherhood

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

HBO mini series right there.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Ya, there is definitely a money making element to this. The rights have been licensed.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Wait, is this why Snoopy always imagined himself fighting the Red Baron? Because Charlie Brown was a world war 2 pilot?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good grief, that was an awesome read.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Its almost as though most Germans were good people.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

KILLING MACHINE!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not to diminish Mr. Stigler, But it is worthy of note that he tried to signal to Charlie to land in german territory first. 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Only failing that (as Charlie did not understand his signaling) did he simply escort him to back to England.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

These days, if you're unlucky enough to be caught, you could be dismembered and dragged through the streets by a baying crowd

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Everyone's talking about honor, but Franz allowed an enemy fighter a chance to escape and return with more bombs.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

It's nice that he let him go, but there's a reason they try to bring down the bombers in the first place

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

*plane is crippled by anti-aircraft fire* "Good grief!"

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Snoopy must have taught him how to fly. He was ALWAYS getting shot down behind enemy lines.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Well Snoopy DID face off against the Red Baron, so he probably had practice!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There's a book about this, a higher call, AMAZING book and story.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good grief...

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

'A Higher Call' by Adam Makos and Larry Alexander (that's the book of you are interested)

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Hands down one of the best ww2 narratives I have ever read. Right up there "With the old breed" by Eugene Sledge"Hammer"

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I haven't read it. I will check it out. It's unfortunate that any German who served during that period is labelled as a 'nazi.'

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

There is a book called a higher calling about this encounter, highly recommend it.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

An amazing book a must read.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I wish people these days stuck to such codes of honour... This moved me to tears, 25 descendants alive for one mans actions

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I was touched by the same fact, and Stigler could have easily just shot down the bomber for a medal or his kill record.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

So did they crash into the channel?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Obviously not

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1/2 The plane was so damaged, Stigler originally was trying to get them to surrender and land in Germany. When they didn't stop, he tried-

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

2/2 pointing them toward Sweden since it was closer than England. But they made it across the channel.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

To the front page with you I say!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

British soldier spared a wounded Hitler's life in WW1. True story.

10 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 5

not only that, but hitler became obsessed with finding that soldier

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Only to thank him I think.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Seriously though, can you imagine the guilt that guy must have felt?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That's really quite disputed, and the claim was made on some very vague grounds.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

To be fair, Hitler later allowed 300,000 British soldiers to retreat from Dunkirk.

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

O.o He told the Luftwaffe to kill the trapped Allies and stop their escape, and the panzers to continue to advance despite the marshes.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Found out not too long ago one of my grandfathers was on that beach in Dunkirk. Funny to think that I might not be here 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

In this one instance with regards to the post, he fucked up!

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

He had a rifle, not a crystal ball.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

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10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Good job, dick!

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

When men take it upon themselves to uphold an honor greater than any nation's ideals.

10 years ago | Likes 677 Dislikes 0

i 've reread this 12 times... damn that is well said.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That was a glorious quote.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Very well said.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Putting humans in the forefront over nation ideals. That's honor at its purest form. +1

10 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

That happened a fair bit in the war over Britain as well: Hurricane/Spitfire pilots make a point of killing parachuting pilots.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

*made

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I wrote a paper about this in college. My professor thanked me for the story because he knew nothing about it and instantly loved it.

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

I'd love to read the paper you wrote about my grandfather. Do you have it available?

10 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

Wait what?

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Why is that surprising? I used to write papers on him too.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I just wasn't expecting it and I didn't see any other comments about it. That's awesome!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Stigler's commanding officer had told him, "You follow the rules of war for you - not your enemy. You fight by rules to keep your humanity."

10 years ago | Likes 109 Dislikes 0

the sad thing is from what i've seen leaders of this caliber are far and few in the military these days.... damn that quote is amazing

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think that is the Golden Rule writ large

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

The other one I know of was not shooting down parachutes.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Say what we want about Germany, there are many reasons why they were a revered military state.

10 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

this right here man

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Germany was always a generation ahead as far as military advancement but some of the greatest CO's in German history never believed 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

In an absolute enemy and always found chivalry in war. Erwin Rommel, a big-name Nazi CO, often ignored orders to kill Jews or civilians

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Cue Sabaton, "No Bullets Fly"

10 years ago | Likes 143 Dislikes 1

fucking love sabaton

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They invited my mother to one of their shows in Vancouver. Good guy!

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

My mother being the daughter of Franz Stigler

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Great music and story lessons, Sabaton is awesome (and I'm not even used to listen this genre)

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Thank you, amazing song tbh

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Was just about to post this same thing. I love military history and am a fan of metal, so this is my go to band.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Killing machine.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Was gonna post this, clearly I don't need to :)

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Always listen to sabaton whilst playing war thunder.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

From down below one enemy spotted. So hurry up, rearm and refuel

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Through the bombers damaged airframe, see wounded men, scared to the bone.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Look to the right and then look again and see the enemy in the eye.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

No bullets fly, spared by his mercy.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Escorted out. Out of Harms way.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Now we need a post about Night Witches. Those were some crazy women alright.

10 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

there was already if i recall right :)

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL IN SILENCE, CAST THEIR SPELLS EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

BLOOD FOR THE BLOO... *krhm* Definitely no heresy here.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's amazing that there is great honor to be found in such a thing as war.

10 years ago | Likes 217 Dislikes 1

Stopped the idiotic war to prove that humanity won.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 38

During WW1, German and Allied soldiers came out into no-man's land and shook hands, wishing each other a merry Christmas. Really touching.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

1/3 "People think of the rules of war primarily as a way to protect innocent civilians from being victims of atrocities..."

10 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

2/3 "In a much more profound sense, the rules are there to protect the people doing the actual fighting."

10 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

There is no honor in war. What they found was their humanity and essentially st

10 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 43

Tell that to the Jews (and others) being slaughtered in the concentration camps.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 14

Their honor was not in war, but in passive resistance and honoring their own belief system.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

As far as I know Franz Stigler wasn't involved in any atrocities.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I was replying to the comment that there is no honor in war. I believe it is honorable to fight to free people being systematically murdered

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What honor is there in being the victim of a systematic, wholesale slaughter?

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

No, but there is honor in fighting to liberate people in such a situation. That was my point to the person who said there is no honor in war

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There is no honor in war. This was not a war to liberate anyone. Study your history.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Are you saying there was honor in their deaths?

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 3

Haha that was a fucked up comment right!?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

No, but there is honor in fighting to liberate people in such a situation.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0