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In 1943, 21 year old Charlie Brown flew his first mission in a B-17 bomber over Bremen, Germany.
Although he was able to drop his bombs, his plane was crippled and quickly fell behind the formation. The anti-aircraft fire knocked out one engine, damaged another, wounded three men and killed a gunner.
Franz Stigler was a Luftwaffe ace at the time with 22 confirmed kills, had shot down two planes in the same encounter, and was a kill away from a coveted medal. He later said he'd never seen a plane with that amount of damage and still in the air. Stigler drew close and lined the plane up in his sights.
"I felt absolute helplessness...you know, totally subject to his whim'.
"Do you remember Charlie's face?"
"Ja, I remember his face."
"What did you see in that face?"
"Horror."
Stigler had a commanding officer who told him he would personally shoot any pilots he heard bringing down parachutes. Stigler said Charlie's crippled bomber was like a man in a parachute. He did not fire. Instead, he escorted Charlie to the coast, where Charlie made an attempt to cross the Channel into England.
"What do you owe Franz Stigler?"
"My life."
Charlie began looking for Franz in 1986, and found him living in Canada in 1990. Franz learned about the 25 descendants of the men he had spared, who would not have been born if he had shot. Franz and Charlie became close friends until their deaths, months apart, in 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54gwls9E0Ug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRKQvmT3Xhs
FP Edit: I hadn't seen this story on imgur yet, and thought it was too good not to share. Stay classy, you awesome people you.
ArthurVengeanceX
Fuck. Life, eh?
aCoolBreezeOnAHotSummerDay
Read the book @OP, it's wonderful.
AfterDinnerBurrito
I can't even stop from killing someone who's on pause in a fps
Tytherius
Were any of those descendants a premature-born paramedic and the doctor that helped deliver them?
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
Some artistic depictions of the scene by John D. Shaw: http://imgur.c">/nRVaS5h">http://imgur.com/nRVaS5h /wGCnn5P
killswich7277
War bring the worst out of people, and sometimes the best
peckovermedia
Good grief!
PolarChi
How does one "confirm a kill"? Like Snow White's stepmom & ask for the heart?
hillbillyofYavin4
we can fight as enemies, but once the war is over then get over it
bleepbooper
Charlie said in an interview that they both understood they did what they had to for their sides and were part of a brotherhood
TheSpectacularNakedFlyingBeefBowlRobotsfromtheSouthsideofKronos
HBO mini series right there.
Setztduschonhin
Ya, there is definitely a money making element to this. The rights have been licensed.
melancholypanda
Wait, is this why Snoopy always imagined himself fighting the Red Baron? Because Charlie Brown was a world war 2 pilot?
Alsenoth
Good grief, that was an awesome read.
timitom
Its almost as though most Germans were good people.
Nuttsy
KILLING MACHINE!
Vstubbs
Not to diminish Mr. Stigler, But it is worthy of note that he tried to signal to Charlie to land in german territory first. 1/2
Vstubbs
Only failing that (as Charlie did not understand his signaling) did he simply escort him to back to England.
Neeeeep
These days, if you're unlucky enough to be caught, you could be dismembered and dragged through the streets by a baying crowd
AfroHo
Everyone's talking about honor, but Franz allowed an enemy fighter a chance to escape and return with more bombs.
AfroHo
It's nice that he let him go, but there's a reason they try to bring down the bombers in the first place
the42
*plane is crippled by anti-aircraft fire* "Good grief!"
JustCallMeBean
Snoopy must have taught him how to fly. He was ALWAYS getting shot down behind enemy lines.
bleepbooper
Well Snoopy DID face off against the Red Baron, so he probably had practice!
Rayvens
There's a book about this, a higher call, AMAZING book and story.
NegativeX16
Good grief...
gorillawafers
'A Higher Call' by Adam Makos and Larry Alexander (that's the book of you are interested)
Nobodyexistsonpurposenobodybelongsanywhereweareallgonnadie
Hands down one of the best ww2 narratives I have ever read. Right up there "With the old breed" by Eugene Sledge"Hammer"
gorillawafers
I haven't read it. I will check it out. It's unfortunate that any German who served during that period is labelled as a 'nazi.'
viciouschinchilla
There is a book called a higher calling about this encounter, highly recommend it.
Notthe50
An amazing book a must read.
iamayellowteapot
I wish people these days stuck to such codes of honour... This moved me to tears, 25 descendants alive for one mans actions
bleepbooper
I was touched by the same fact, and Stigler could have easily just shot down the bomber for a medal or his kill record.
FUCKMEIMSEAMUS
So did they crash into the channel?
Splaterson
Obviously not
bleepbooper
1/2 The plane was so damaged, Stigler originally was trying to get them to surrender and land in Germany. When they didn't stop, he tried-
bleepbooper
2/2 pointing them toward Sweden since it was closer than England. But they made it across the channel.
Dontbemiserable
To the front page with you I say!
THRAWN18
British soldier spared a wounded Hitler's life in WW1. True story.
SirNigelThornberry
not only that, but hitler became obsessed with finding that soldier
THRAWN18
Only to thank him I think.
Armored0Titan0
Seriously though, can you imagine the guilt that guy must have felt?
scrim4
That's really quite disputed, and the claim was made on some very vague grounds.
Wollhaus
To be fair, Hitler later allowed 300,000 British soldiers to retreat from Dunkirk.
JamesEdge
O.o He told the Luftwaffe to kill the trapped Allies and stop their escape, and the panzers to continue to advance despite the marshes.
aluskn
Found out not too long ago one of my grandfathers was on that beach in Dunkirk. Funny to think that I might not be here 1/2
Tigermd
In this one instance with regards to the post, he fucked up!
kmikl
He had a rifle, not a crystal ball.
cracklinoatbran
BigRedMonkeyButts
Good job, dick!
saddobop
When men take it upon themselves to uphold an honor greater than any nation's ideals.
EarendilTheBlessed
i 've reread this 12 times... damn that is well said.
Zixtank
That was a glorious quote.
InternetSarcasmShouldBeInItalics
Very well said.
SaucyDisses
Putting humans in the forefront over nation ideals. That's honor at its purest form. +1
kmikl
That happened a fair bit in the war over Britain as well: Hurricane/Spitfire pilots make a point of killing parachuting pilots.
kmikl
*made
TeenageMutantNinjaAbortedFetuses
I wrote a paper about this in college. My professor thanked me for the story because he knew nothing about it and instantly loved it.
Setztduschonhin
I'd love to read the paper you wrote about my grandfather. Do you have it available?
BatchOCookies
Wait what?
Setztduschonhin
Why is that surprising? I used to write papers on him too.
BatchOCookies
I just wasn't expecting it and I didn't see any other comments about it. That's awesome!
JohnnyNameless
Stigler's commanding officer had told him, "You follow the rules of war for you - not your enemy. You fight by rules to keep your humanity."
EarendilTheBlessed
the sad thing is from what i've seen leaders of this caliber are far and few in the military these days.... damn that quote is amazing
JohnnyNameless
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/
RodneyAChance
I think that is the Golden Rule writ large
Setztduschonhin
The other one I know of was not shooting down parachutes.
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Say what we want about Germany, there are many reasons why they were a revered military state.
EarendilTheBlessed
this right here man
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Germany was always a generation ahead as far as military advancement but some of the greatest CO's in German history never believed 1/2
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
In an absolute enemy and always found chivalry in war. Erwin Rommel, a big-name Nazi CO, often ignored orders to kill Jews or civilians
Metalhead47
Cue Sabaton, "No Bullets Fly"
themilkmancometh
fucking love sabaton
Setztduschonhin
They invited my mother to one of their shows in Vancouver. Good guy!
Setztduschonhin
My mother being the daughter of Franz Stigler
dukesilver
Great music and story lessons, Sabaton is awesome (and I'm not even used to listen this genre)
CrashedEgo
Thank you, amazing song tbh
Grenger
Was just about to post this same thing. I love military history and am a fan of metal, so this is my go to band.
spooglecraft
Killing machine.
Braytac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d4Z0FtRI7A For the lazy
xWonko
Was gonna post this, clearly I don't need to :)
suntoryhanzo
Always listen to sabaton whilst playing war thunder.
coolbigandy
From down below one enemy spotted. So hurry up, rearm and refuel
P51VoxelTanker
Through the bombers damaged airframe, see wounded men, scared to the bone.
Fanskapet
Look to the right and then look again and see the enemy in the eye.
spooglecraft
No bullets fly, spared by his mercy.
Nuttsy
Escorted out. Out of Harms way.
krigify
Now we need a post about Night Witches. Those were some crazy women alright.
migratedcube93
there was already if i recall right :)
AstartesLibrarius
FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL IN SILENCE, CAST THEIR SPELLS EXPLOSIVE VIOLENCE
krigify
BLOOD FOR THE BLOO... *krhm* Definitely no heresy here.
netflixpilot
It's amazing that there is great honor to be found in such a thing as war.
hellonastick
Stopped the idiotic war to prove that humanity won.
Unithralith
During WW1, German and Allied soldiers came out into no-man's land and shook hands, wishing each other a merry Christmas. Really touching.
JohnnyNameless
1/3 "People think of the rules of war primarily as a way to protect innocent civilians from being victims of atrocities..."
JohnnyNameless
2/3 "In a much more profound sense, the rules are there to protect the people doing the actual fighting."
JohnnyNameless
3/3 http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/living/higher-call-military-chivalry/
hellonastick
There is no honor in war. What they found was their humanity and essentially st
buckshank
Tell that to the Jews (and others) being slaughtered in the concentration camps.
hellonastick
Their honor was not in war, but in passive resistance and honoring their own belief system.
KnowltonNash
As far as I know Franz Stigler wasn't involved in any atrocities.
buckshank
I was replying to the comment that there is no honor in war. I believe it is honorable to fight to free people being systematically murdered
CrypticalEnvelopement
What honor is there in being the victim of a systematic, wholesale slaughter?
buckshank
No, but there is honor in fighting to liberate people in such a situation. That was my point to the person who said there is no honor in war
hellonastick
There is no honor in war. This was not a war to liberate anyone. Study your history.
CrypticalEnvelopement
Are you saying there was honor in their deaths?
Esdog
Haha that was a fucked up comment right!?
buckshank
No, but there is honor in fighting to liberate people in such a situation.