Vantahku
110940
1185
51
Oct 13, 2021 7:27 AM
Vantahku
110940
1185
51
VDarksteel
The 2 party system is destroying America.
BaronSpaghetti
Hear me out. Kick them out.
Arcanum3000
Manchin doesn't want to be a Republican. He would be vulnerable to being primaried by someone farther right than he is.
memepawn
535 people effectively rule the American People. Remove them ALL. Clear the whole lot of them out, get rid of PACs and start anew.
SoupCanMan
They have more power as secret morons. If they switched, they would be primaried for not being MAGA enough.
somethingcleverlol
Remember vote in 2022 and in primaries. If the democrats expand their lead in the senate, these two cant block bills on their own
Kuzcosgroove
Joe Manchin is the only Democrat representative in WV (state or federal). He swings right because that's what his constituents want.
Kuzcosgroove
If he voted the Dem party line he would likely get replaced by a GOP true-believer.
shutdafuccup
Sinema is corrupt. Full stop. People talk about her like she's an enigma. She found out she likes the taste of money. It's that simple.
Illinifan88
Fuck both of them but they're not Republicans. They SHOULD be Republicans, but Republicans are full on fascists now.
wazeewa
Republican plants
GrumpyOldBoomer
You’re looking at the new Mitch, gang. As soon as he’s turtle soup, the next safest seat is the Munchkin from WV.
GrumpyOldBoomer
…and then he’ll shed his skin, show his true colors as a republicant.
TheLeftNugget
So frustrating. Stacey Abrams and the democrats of Georgia fought tooth and nail to flip it, just to be undone by these fucks.
SoundFuture
And if they hadn't we'd be having different conversations and the whole situation would be worse.
filiuspelei
Whoa whoa whoa. They caucus with the dems, which means that if they switch parties, republicans would control all comittees and comitee ->
filiuspelei
chairs. This is HUGELY important, because the committees control the legislative process for 99% of the "invisible legislation" that goes on
filiuspelei
Go read your government text books from high schol
GreenTeaParty
People have no idea how much these two morons are literally f-ing our future. When bridges start falling in floods it will be their fault.
drinkingonthej0b
As a Arizona resident that voted for Krysten Sinema…I’d like to say I’m sorry. She isn’t doing what she said she would do. Never again.
Eleshar24
From what I read about her, personally, she is a prime example of a liberal. So somebody probably bought her over.
BaronSpaghetti
Yeah. Manchin is a known commodity. She just is either a total turncoat, a loon, or has been in on this all along.
AndrewS816
If GQP takes control again, these two will be the villain's in that story. They are derailing everything for the sake of "cash," DINO's!
AngryGraphicDesigner
Closet Republicans
GrumpyOldBoomer
**republicants
runnyrunnerton
good one!
dasoffendor
Sinema is a snake. she will not be getting my vote again
daromander
So will you vote for the Republican if Sinema wins the Democratic primary (assuming there is even one)
dasoffendor
It will depend entirely on who they come up with.
SzKnoWnzEvr72
I'm so pissed I had to vote for her.
blainetog
The real problem is that Dems have a 0-vote margin of error even though GQP policies are broadly unpopular. We need to win more states. >>
blainetog
>> It's actually a healthy sign if some party members occasionally vote with the opposition. When the margin is so small, though, and the >>
blainetog
>> opposition party is so violently opposed to good-faith leadership, swing voters gain outsized influence.
Joomuk
Though you disagree on blind loyal to the party rather than the people, neither of these politicians are doing that. They support corruption
SisterMidnight
They both make me sick!
Padawin
Everyone is saying name them and shame them; but for real only have heard them referred to as those two. Who are they?
ameriki
They have no shame. That's why they vote Republican.
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Manchin and sinema
Dumaresquiche
Manchin who? And sinema wat?
GraniteIvy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_">_Manchin">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Manchin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrsten_Sinema
ThisGuyPostingThings
Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia & Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.
mormacil
If they did Mitch would be majority leader again, that would be worse, not by a lot but it would be worse.
lilbrother
The Senate Dems are hanging onto the edge by their finger tips and people are railing on them for not doing jumping jacks.
mormacil
Don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike both of them. I think the complaints are entirely valid as an average democrat.
blainetog
This. I'm frustrated they won't vote for a progressive agenda as well, but having them as Ds is still worlds better than if they were Rs.
mormacil
It's a shit sandwich but it's the lesser shit sandwich
blainetog
More like, it's a bland free meal from a very underfunded school, but the alternative is having to pay for lunch and get literally nothing.
RonMimnaugh
They are as useless as teats on a bull
drunkbs
FuzzBall87
Slavery is still not ended. Now if you are branded a "criminal" you can be a slave
BernieKl
In Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith argued that slavery was inefficient as you had to house. feed, and guard slaves. He argued that low wages >
BernieKl
> and debt was a better method for keeping workers coming back to the fields. Our modern day wage and debt trap system is exactly this.
FuzzBall87
I was referencing the clause in the US Constitution admendement that left a loophole where some slavery was not outlawed
capoexplains
More like "I'm from the north but keeping slavery is profitable for me, but opposing it is bad optics, so I'll just refuse to vote."
ThereAreCrocodiles
Most of us just decided based on whether we liked Cap or Ironman better.
goflyblind
#TeamAntMan
v
sicsided
Lionskull
funny since cap dies at the end of civil war in the comics.
sicsided
Yeah this reminded me of that a lot
SliderOfElay
Ah fuck... which one is which?! I don't really care.
Calicoastin818
these two undercover worthless RATpublicans need to be fired
yuikol14
You sound like a republican, don't go full circle
NonMAGA
Remember - Manchin leaving office tomorrow means a GOP Senate. It’s currently shit, but better than Mitch and utter lawlessness.
somethingcleverlol
Sinema could be primaried. Manchin however... He is from West Virginia. The state that went 38+ to trump in 2020. Its either him or a
somethingcleverlol
republican, I just assume keep him so the GOP doesn't have a majority. which is very important
n4bz
As soon*. Regards, your friendly neighbourhood pedant.
JustJoe2047
I voted for her. Most people who did are very unhappy with her in Arizona. Well, Phoenix at least. She's not very popular right now.
leaderofthedamned
It was her or McSally, we took a risk and she stabbed us in the back. All I can hope is someone challenges her or we are screwed.
JustJoe2047
Perfectly said
tootsie87
Arizona is very purple (blue cities obvs) and i could see you easily vote another dem. Manchin is the best hope for WV though.
forensicfilesbestofseason1
Sad
tootsie87
It is but you been to WV though? Half of it looks like Mordor.
JustJoe2047
Lol!
blainetog
I really wish people would stop saying this shit. It 100% DOES matter that there's a D beside their name. If they switched, Mitch would be>>
Frazmatazz
You know political parties aren't actually engrained into law, right? Listening to a majority leader or not is purely convention.
blainetog
The Majority Leader position *is* part of the law, and it goes down party lines. Parties aren't spelled out in the constitution but they >>
blainetog
>> very much are part of the government now in a very real and legally impactful way now. Whether we like it or not.
blainetog
>> the Majority leader for the Senate and no D legislation would ever get a vote. That's a *massive* difference, even if these two fuckers>>
blainetog
>> were to vote with the Rs every single time. If they actually wanted to switch, they'd have all the money in the world from grateful Rs.
thorrakistaken
THANK YOU.
CoveredBridgeBoy
A democrat being elected in West Virginia in the first place is weird. Not a shocker that he leans right compared to the rest of the party.
blainetog
True! While I wish he voted progressively, he's broadly doing the right thing as long as he represents the wishes of his constituents. >>
blainetog
>> (Note: Some exceptions apply, and also I'm not so sure he's even really doing that in this case.)
mandy009
Good for confirmations, but not much D legislation getting thru anyway now. Basically only signature D agenda passing is confirmations now.
Youhavinagiraffe
Not many in number but the covid relief bill and the two bills floating around now contain a shit ton of policy. It's the stupid...
Youhavinagiraffe
...reconciliation and filibuster system that makes all these bills packed and obscure as to what they do (and take ages to pass)
blainetog
1) That's still enormous. The Rs have prioritized confirmations and judges for the past 20+ years and look where it got them: power even >>
blainetog
>> as the minority party with minority views. 2) Forcing Rs to vote "no" on popular bills hurts them at the polls, whereas simply not >>
MarkSoupial
They can't, the funding structures are explicitly set up such that they need to be registered as Dems to keep getting campaign funding.
blainetog
I cannot imagine that would be true. Switching would win them an avalanche of contributions from Rs happy that they'd flipped the Senate.
mandy009
So it's de facto fraud, then. They pretend to support a platform for money and then obstruct it.
Vantahku
Essentially, yes.
jerkittoanything
I'm sure these things are throughly punished. Like with Rep Boebert LOL
GreasedPrimate
They are refusing to go with their party. They switched sides as far as action.
daromander
The Democrats have never been one solid group. That's a good thing. We don't want to play follow the leader like the GOP did
NowThatsWhatICallGif
Unfortunately That's why we're getting the ratchet effect
mormacil
They vote more often with the DEM side then the GOP side, just not on any of the big things we want
daromander
They voted for COVID relief
dryrunner
He is a coal baron, and you expect him to vote on clean energy? Save the planet vs pocket lots of cash?
TRDirty
I'll get another temp ban for saying this but these kinds of people need to die off. Profiting off and enabling pollution like that deserves
TRDirty
The death penalty
gloriousgabro9000
Someone more liberal than Manchin would never win in WVa. If Dems need more liberal senators they have to win them elsewhere.
jansenart
@OP His daughter is the one who jacked up the price of Epipens.
Vantahku
Parasitic bastards and traitors.
Circosys
Say what now? Any sauce?
dryrunner
He started a coal brokerage 'enersystems' his son runs it. He owns millions in stock and collects roughly 500k a year in dividends.
Yummybubblez
Oh yeah, he's super Deep and personally vested in coal. Also major coal companies are his biggest donors
Lionskull
His daughter is just as corrupt https://theintercept.com/2021/09/07/joe-manchin-epipen-price-heather-bresch/
dryrunner
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/climate/manchin-climate-biden.amp.html
kaarbaakimgr
Amp links are toxic: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/climate/manchin-climate-biden.html
dryrunner
Yeah sorry, didn't even notice.
Ultratoxic
I'm almost more shocked that you didn't know. Manchin is so deep in coal money you'd think he was a miner.
daromander
Isn't he just doing what his constituents want? Coal is huge in West Virginia
Lionskull
it's not for the people of west virginia, it's for the rich coal barons that pay his salary.
Lionskull
if he wanted to help his people he would support the infrastructure and reconciliation bills.
hufwungpu
13k workers in coal in WV, annual compensation of $1.5 billion, mines and support for em spend about $5.6B in the state
daromander
Yes, plus families & the towns around them. Also the companies that own the mines
Ultratoxic
I'm the sense that his team constituents are coal lobbyists? Because there aren't THAT many coal miners. Hardy's employs more people.
Ultratoxic
In* the sense. Real* constituents. Autocorrect really got away from me on this one.
daromander
0.1% of the population is coal miners. But add in the companies built around it, the families of the workers, & the towns that exist (1)
daromander
(2) solely because of the coal mines and it adds up to much more.
belortik
They can want it all day long but that's about as good as eating your foot when you're starving.
daromander
Sure, but it's better than starving to death
GadenKerensky
You might not be living much longer without a foot after eating it. A temporary postponement of the issue.
daromander
Yeah, that means a longer chance to figure out the problem or get saved. If you want to live, you take it every time
persianwrangler
That take is dumb - both fit the analogy and the actual situation. There’s food at the table.
daromander
Yeah, but someone has to serve it to them