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There are so few situations where I can imagine myself being in this situation, and yet here I am. The person who died was NOT a good guy. The whole time I knew him he always seemed off. Always seemed weirdly aggressive. He had the pseudo-masculine complex that made it impossible for him to ever be "wrong." Wasn't afraid to vocalize his disgust for "b*tch *ss f*gots" even at work. He abused his dog until he finally got rid of it for "becoming an *sshole" and even his death was a murder suicide in which he killed his wife and then himself. They didn't have any kids so there's at least that, I guess.
Now all my coworkers are going around talking about what a great guy he was and how sad it all is that HE is gone.
Sad for his wife and her family? Absolutely
Shocked at the sudden loss? Ok
But am I in the wrong for not being sad that someone that was just absolutely unbearable is gone? Or worse pretending that he wasn't all those things just because he died?
I'm not going to parade and celebrate that this horrible thing happened, and I wish that he could have gotten help, become a good person, but that isn't and was never the case and I honestly am just so frustrated having to hear about it.
Sorry for the rant, I just needed to get this off my chest. I know loss, grief and death are complicated things I just wish people wouldn't feel the need to sugar-coat things to this level of excess for someone who was definitely not who they are saying he is now.
End rant
Thanks.
kokaneekiller
I think "everything is forgiven in death" is a weird vestige of religion that society should let go. I agree with you, fuck that guy.
Howmuchistoomuchspam
Yeah F this dude he murdered someone. Killing yourself doesn’t make you NOT a murderer.
kokaneekiller
Not sure if I'm proud or disappointed that no one commented "I also choose that guys dead wife".
GrumpyOldMan55
The difference between me and you is I would tell this to my co-workers faces. Good riddance to this dirt bag.
PromNightDumptserBaby
I felt the same way when an old coworker retired and then passed away. Everyone loved him, but he was a hardcore pervert. Feel what you feel
QuackQuackPontiac
Captain77
You are being a realist and the others are trying to soften the blow by only remembering the good. I'm like you. Remember truth not fantasy.
Whowhywhatwhere
Always bring up his wife when people talk about him and say you dont care about him. Make a thing out of it
Ijustwanttobememe
I have no tolerance for people who beat animals
StonedEjit
When a cunt dies that doesn't make them any less of a cunt.
Seethreepeeoh
A co-worker's wife was murdered. Have feelings about that
ScreenshotsofSpam
My former boss spent 20 years sexually harassing minors who worked for him. Finally got caught and then died a year after being fired. 1/2
ScreenshotsofSpam
All of a sudden no one gave a shit about how fucking creepy it was that he tried to from 16yo girls for 20 years. Screw that. You’re fine.
FormerlySable
Very similar situation where I work, but luckily, most colleagues have been of the “good riddance “ opinion.
yvanehtnoij
You are correct in not being sad but there's no point in shit talking the dead. When people talk about it just say "oh yes its terrible"
KeliK91
Being dead does not excuse having a productive, critical discussion on moral concerns nor does doing so imply you're talking shit of them.
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
I would be cringing in my head every time I said that. I would just tell them I feel for his family. You know, the ones he didn't murder.
strontium
Has "speak no ill of the dead" ever accomplished anything other than shielding abusers and silencing victims?
eadanke
Warding off vengeful ghosts? Or did you mean in real life.
ElbowdeepinElmo
In a small community it could be good for their relatives. Imagine a loved one being a disliked by people outside the home and you have to
ElbowdeepinElmo
bear with hearing rumors and bad shit about them on top of their death constantly.
jarldg
Malign the dead; it's honest. Dying does not transform the deceased from an unpleasant person into a good person.
ladyatlas777
Thank you!!! I get a lot of shit for this. I don't understand why the "don't speak ill of the dead" thing ever started.
jarldg
People lose those for whom they care. If this is a bad person, they don't want to hear it while grieving. We deify the dead, and by 1/2
jarldg
falsely remembering them/ignoring their ill-will we pave a path for others to follow, as such behaviors are acceptable, even praiseworthy2/2
ladyatlas777
I agree. I also love it when people are like "Oh do you want people saying bad things about you when you're dead?!?!" And I'm like... " (1)
ladyatlas777
Yeah I want people to remember me for the entire person I was, which is good and bad. Discuss things you hated about me (2)
QueTeValga
"If you want to know the great things about you, die. If you want to know the worse things about you, then get married." --Old Saying
QueTeValga
Obviously, this one took a bigger turn in this particular case
Kawasakison
I was on your bandwagon at the dog part.
TurtleSuicide
dying doesn't suddenly make a shit person worthy of respect or understanding; we all die, bitch. I'm not saying go dance on graves but not
TurtleSuicide
everyone is worth a moment of silence
Dythi
My mom always says "you never see a cunt buried"
Cortezdelanoche
Mama didn't raise no fool.
sarabearr
People often forget what a horrible person someone was when they’re dead.
AwkwardlyUncomfortable
This bugs me. When I die I don’t want people saying I was a bright light in the world. I’m dark, creepy and kinda a bitch, and that’s ok.
sarabearr
A dude died suddenly when I was in HS. Lots of ppl disliked him. But when he died ppl who hated him/didn’t know him would post about him 1/
sarabearr
As if they were super close friends. It’s weird to see people act that way
ItsRainingOutsideAndiDontWantToAdult
An ex-colleague died yesterday, I had been shit talking him earlier with someone else who knew him. He was a cunt, but I feel for his family
thedewser
Some people are just affected by the fact that death was so close in their lives. Those that vocally comment "how good someone was" 1/2
thedewser
Are probably trying to relieve themselves of any guilt that they thought otherwise. "Don't speak I'll of the dead" and all.
Neednoggle
Do you work in a fucking drug cartel? What kind of people talk about a murderer being a good guy?
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
Guarantee they're looking at it as he needed help and didn't get it simply because of the suicide aspect.
RobearGWJ
Never feel guilty for using actual critical thought. Some people are just bad and it's okay to acknowledge that.
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
It's a modern day fallacy - can't say anything bad about someone who died. It's BS. You are not wrong.
janlevinson
Man. He also could have brought that murder suicide mentality to work instead of at home.
Jepalaudsadsin
Hey, Hitler had that same mentality and he killed Hitler
JCBalance
WW2 was just a really long murder suicide?
slinkiisu
Murder murder murder murder murder... Murder suicide
fuznotfuz
Exactly what I was thinking. "I feel terrible for his wife's family, but we're lucky it wasn't us."
Noksus
Narcissist
Noksus
They can appear very nice and pleasant to strangers but only show their true self to some people. It's likely that those people don't know.
donteatlegoplease
Sounds like he complained about gay ppl at work, and it was clear to OP (coworker) that he abused his dog, tho
KeliK91
Abuse lives in secrecy. I learned this the hard way.
brokenturtle
Wait so what you're saying is, you guys are hiring?
qwijybo
Wait. Trump's dead?
LumpDaddy
bluedrake62
3 people didn't find this inherently amusing
LittleLordThudleroy
And they tolerate assholes, this is good for me.
FabianGalon
Are you willing to murder your wife though?
Loraxis
What wife? *Closes freezer*
BlairT1
HafCoJoe
What movie is this?? I've always been curious!
BlairT1
An EXCELLENT action movie, The Professional, or Leon, as it’s sometimes known. Oldman is AMAZING and Portman makes her debut. A must see.
BlairT1
johnjeromson074
KingRememberedInTime1
SuicidalThrillbillyturnedLunaticChillbilly
The forgiveness train has stopped one station early.
AGiantSlor
Pizza Party!
justlivinthedream
This is the Imgur GOLD that I missed during the political campaign season.
ImJustSoFckingSickOfThisBllsht
"Is his job available?" -Mal
MoreTan
MikeDropMeta
Upvoted to 3669; I have done my duty.
NotGoodConfessionBear
turn over is a bitch
novokaine187
coffeeismyfriend
Cilvaa
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JessSpile
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5c79n0/you_can_have_sex_with_one_real_person_from_all_of/d9uf56l/?context=1
frogsnot
Nothing wrong with getting a little piece and quiet.
theeiinfamousiizzy
JessSpile
I understood that reference! :D
TurnThisShpAround
LovesToSpooge517
jaderock
Was his apartment rent controlled? Asking for a friend of course
sykoticflaw
Gotta respect the hustle
TheDudeanator
No, they will just pick up his old work for no extra pay
lookatmyfavorites
Extra pay? *Laughs in corporatism*
Silverbananahorse
vyciunass
This is the way
BuckeyeBTH
orcavsgreatwhite
Always has been
nemo3590
I suddenly see potential for combining these two memes.
GenuineThought
This is the way
BuckeyeBTH
Yarreen
The American way
PuckerUpPutin
This is the way
DocMcstuffins6
This happened to me recently
NotGoodConfessionBear
Grind people into dust for capital? This is the way.
Calivion
Yup
itotallyagreewithwhatyousaid
The only way
2ant
Spanish Inquisition
Fuzzycat16
A lot of people deserve to die but you can't let others know.
Noblody
battlepants
This right here, you can't be openly thankful for a death, even if everyone else is secretly thankful as well. Just a workplace taboo.
wadatahmydamie
Oh yeah. That’s a good way to get the secret service on your ass
sabaticalbob
I see what you did there
ElbowdeepinElmo
Well you also don't have to pretend to be grief-stricken if it happens
hasdfgb
Yeah, at the very top of the list: The muslims. /s
chaylar
Just keep a list in your head. If you forget them off the list then they weren't that bad.
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Hapsdinersdumpsterfire
I like that.
Fuzzycat16
Badger421
That's quite good, I'll have to remember it.
mt77932
That's the best way to handle it.
Rangerbobby
Guy at work took a plea deal for child molestation. Everyone was donating for his legal expense, they thought him innocent. I told them no
Thisisnotreallymyname
Tbf, I've seen enough documentaries about the US legal system and plea deals to question someone's guilt regardless..
beguilingkittenpants
I get that plea deals aren't the same thing as the real deal, but that is still a WILD thing to a plea for, so honestly same.
beguilingkittenpants
He still got money from the other ppl, so it isn't like you were trying to prevent it. Not your problem, really.
ramshackleackle
If that happened about here they'd chant beast outside your house in the street until you flee.
JustinSaneFire
That would be the new charge for such acts
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
To be fair taking a plea deal does not make you guilty.
OrangeRanger
This 100% buddy of mine lives in a state where the only thing they care about is money, not the person. He fought it to the end and was /1
OrangeRanger
lucky enough that the family that made a false report ended up fleeing the state and giving up. So the prosecutor refused to represent /2
OrangeRanger
that family, and the judge threw it out. But during the process they wanted him to take a plea deal for sexual abuse 4th. /3
OrangeRanger
Even though he wasn't guilty at all, and it was a false accusation made by an angry sister of his ex. /4
WoolyBullyDoesNotRhymeWithSully
What if you're pleading down to molestation from statutory rape...
DarthFutuza
Sure, but how do you know the details are you their attorney?
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
I’m not a legal expert but I think molestation is worse than statutory rape. But that aside. Sure you could be pleading down. /1
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
Or you could be getting coerced. Or you could be innocent but convinced that a plea deal is the only way to see the sun again at some point.
Vonmonj
And what if you did neither but can't afford an attorney that would be able to prove innocence? Our system isn't in good shape.
WoolyBullyDoesNotRhymeWithSully
No it is not. I was just trying to make a point.
DarshDarker
Actually, it does. It the eyes of the court at least
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
Someone convicted on false testimony and evidence is guilty in the eyes of the court too. What’s your point?
DarshDarker
I was just worried someone might read that and misunderstand what a plea deal is.
AnAccountToPostThis
Depends on the plea deal. Most require the defendant to admit guilt for a lighter sentencing or to a lesser crime.
PubstarHero
Because no innocent man has ever pled guilty to a crime he didnt commit as to not risk bankrupting his family and still taking on time
textilelover
But many will admit guilt even though they are innocent because they believe they'll be convicted cause the system is stacked against them.
AnAccountToPostThis
If theres enough evidence to convict someone of child molestation then that person is a child molestor.
HeySuperVillainsIGetIt
People are convicted of crimes they didn’t do all the time because “there is enough evidence”.
chromed
Sadly I do not have your confidence in the justice system.
textilelover
There are demonstrably innocent people in prison. They are released and sometimes given lots of $ by the state from wrongful prosecution.
nemo3590
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize just how hard the justice system can screw you if you don't have the proper funds to fight back.
pritolus
You can fight it and chance 40 years, or take a plea deal on 4 years. Your call.
PubstarHero
Not to mention you may already be spending those 4 years in jail waiting for trial/appeal anyways.
pritolus
It's extremely fucked
sweaterpuppies
Ew
sicsided
Shit like that is what would make me leave a job, a community, whatever gathering of people with that opinion.
MrSisterFister
The opinion that someone accused of a crime is innocent?
Sangueffusor
If he took a plea deal, he was no longer considered innocent
RevolutionOnHerLips
Not with an Alford plea. Also technically not with a no contest plea. Not every state accepts these I believe.
nellynorgus
Not as a general rule so much as if you were fairly convinced they were not innocent. Also, taking a plea deal is an admission of guilt, no?
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
Actually people are pushed into plea deals quite often to avoid prison. Even if they're innocent.
nellynorgus
I understand that it can be a forced thing, especially with young people. But technically, it is an admission, even if not always 'legit'.
SadToSay
No it's not. I don't know the situation in regards to the original comment but sometimes people feel like they have to take plea deals 1/2
SadToSay
because they are being railroaded by a system that seeks convictions. 2/2
SadToSay
Oh so I had that other chain of comments but I guess if you are asking legally speaking, yes in a criminal case it is a guilty plea.