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YudeeKayFacey
they aren't mutually exclusive, hipster...
WhyIsThisStillEvenAQuestion
One of the problems with the whole thing is that the word rape applies to more things than a 1st degree rape involving violence.
Yoloswagforjesus
How does this guy know? What is he, a rapist?
trigonman3
Rape is about obtaining sex by means of violence.
FastandBiCurious
This is important for all the imgur people who saw the lady who falsely accused men of rape and then said, "Who would want to rape her?"
saturndevouringchild
Tweet-length ideologies and lazy analogies for people who can't formulate nuanced opinions.
screwdriverone
Both should end with someone at the end of a shovel, if you catch my drift
IFoldlyGo
If that happens, they've been spade
monsterhunter4lyfe
So it's more like assault then a sexual assault.
Huldra
Actually rape is not only that. Rape is also people who does not understand limits.
IThinkYouGotAFineBrainJack
If your representative screws you over, you wouldn't call it polit..... oh wait.
weallservetheoldone
Yes Todd, that's exactly what I'd call it.
ImgursLibertarian
HEYO!
FlorenceGee
Not necessarily... it can be. But not necessarily
jpparkenbone
Rape has kind of lost its meaning for a lot of people. Look up "my family raped me" on YouTube. If you can find it. At least it got deleted.
LaserWolfTurbo
maybe on internet, where we see all kinds of fake posts supposedly from feminists, but not in real life i believe.
aodhfin
You don't know me, maybe I'm into extreme gardening.
Teledabby
evryday i shaoveling
Lolzorski
This comment is so bad, it's good.
tacoparlor
Not that simple. There are a million ways to be violent. Rape is about violence AND sex.
sowasvonsowas
In many rapes there is no penetration w/ the penis, rather a foreign object is used. It's about hatred of women, not being horny. :'(
WWisLife
You misspelled "very few"
sowasvonsowas
I suggest some research on your part.
WWisLife
I'm a rape crisis counsellor and educator. It is literally my job. You are wrong. Sorry.
Glompsi
"Rape is Not (Only) About Power; It’s (Also) About Sex" - Noam Shpancer, Ph.D. in clinical psychology, professor at Otterbein University.
OctopusStinkhorn
My point exactly. But of course the Imgur brigade simplifies everything.
Exoticz
You wouldn't believe how many people engage in mental gymnastics and justify how hitting someone with a shovel is gardening (in analogy)
Exoticz
Tell someone that the forced extraction of income/wealth is theft, and they'll agree. Tell someone that taxation is forced extraction of 1/2
Exoticz
income and wealth, and they'll agree again. But try to tell someone that taxation is theft, and they'll win gold in mental gymnastics in 2/3
Exoticz
the Pretzel logic Olympics. 3/3
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Rape isn't about [one variable that contributes], it's clearly entirely based on [other variable that contributes]! Get it right, people.
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
To be fair, it's mostly because of [Variable that is just a summarization of the two previous ones], but that's just my opinion.
zipsline4
Like who doesn't understand the concept of rape?
rocketturttle
many commentors on imgur?
ForTaxReasons
A lot of people, unfortunately
sgv1
Apparently a lot of idiots who think it's not about sex. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9866496
OneAngryAssCanadian
This is an opinion piece... it's just as citable as any other random person's opinion.
sgv1
And yet other people are trying to make the opposite seem like fact
MoistenedPenguin
Did you just cite Huffington Post as a reliable source?
RheaButt
Saying rape is always about power is like saying all murder is motivated by revenge, you can't pin down the motivations for every instance-
IDownvoteUnsaucedPosts
Didn't say anything about "power".
RheaButt
- of a crime with one word or phrase, imagine that in court "this guy clearly has a lot of power, so he couldn't rape!" or "this guy-
RheaButt
-already gets a lot of sex, it's impossible for him to rape!"
Naiirita
even if i use them for fertilizer?
Eldrol
That may be the one exception
howdoyouturnthisonagain
Hahaha watch an Australian movie called "100 bloody acres" it's about ... fertilizer. (Warning: don't watch if squeamish)
jordanschlansky
It's a crime committed by lots of different people with lots of different motivations.
summershank
Get out of here with your reasonable statements
bondagewithjesus
But not all rape is violent like not every rape is in an alley with a knife to someones throat it's fucked either way but not always violent
BreadyStinellis
I would argue that its your definition of violence that needs to change. Your boyfriend holding you down and giving himself on you is violen
BreadyStinellis
*forcing, not giving. That's a weird autocorrect.
BreadyStinellis
A weapon doesn't need to be involved. The rape in itself is the violent act.
bondagewithjesus
Oh I wouldn't argue against that the example you gave is definitely violent less violent than my example but that was my point 1/2
bondagewithjesus
There are non violent instances in which rape occurs like blackmail so no my definition of violence is fine 2/2
LaserWolfTurbo
well its still violent in that case, like she said its the act itself
bondagewithjesus
Well I wouldn't describe it as violent then if no force is used its just unconsential sex
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
It's both, and saying it isn't is simplifying a complex societal issue. Most rapists aren't murderers, and most murderers aren't rapists.
BreadyStinellis
I agree with your first sentence, but I dont see what murder has to do with this at all.
Shohanna
Sometimes the rapist murders the victim... I see the connection.
Gertibringsthehurty
If someone mugged you, you wouldn't call it a business transaction
EmoryToss17
But if 3 people are in a room and 2 vote to rob the third, we call that "taxation"
GiantDad420
I thought that was what Comcast had as their slogan?
kibouchi
YOU WOULDNT DOWNLOAD A CAR
shadytacoman
US Healthcare does.
ImHerejustSaiyanThings
I call it taxes
yrste
But I will now.
OctopusOccult
Have you ever hlheard of ea?
Thatwhichhasnolife
I would, get a tax break
DrHat
Yes I would, if I lived on the Discworld...organised crime and all that.
darksamus8
Maybe- just a really, really bad one.
fylnndjofla
Bullshit! My banks been calling it that for years!
HiggsBosonYoFace
You wouldn't DOWNLOAD
HiggsBosonYoFace
a BEAR
B99Reactions
They would and do
Favri
Try explaining that to my bank.
Telharmonius
I wouldn't called it coffee, either.
NoCreativity3
That's what Comcast calls it
csmcC
Unless its taxes.
Azaer
To be fair, if someone mugs you its an act of violence ABOUT money, like rape is an act of violence ABOUT sex, but no its not "sex"
barishta
To be fair, they were just trying to hit you with a shovel THEN have sex...
camcam1234
It's non-consensual sex
MyDragonHeartedSpirit
So mugging is a non-consensual business transaction? Sounds about right.
r0b0c0rp
Non-consensual donation. /S
dandydust
Wells Fargo though
forResearchPurposesOnly
What, you think someone should just GIVE you a beating?
Josestorm05
In some cases u have to pay good money to get a beating.
attackofthequokka
"If you're good at something, never do it for free."
linustheman
How do I get paid to sit around and brood.
darkdragonempress
Be batman. Though that might require a large inheritance and occasionally beating people up.
AndreKroon
I'd like to get payed for sleeping and going on imgur all day, but there's just too much competition nowadays.
avatarstateyipyipp
;)
Svartlebee
What would make it so wrong to say it is about sex? Because it legitimises it? Pedophilia is about sex and we still call that wrong.
LaserWolfTurbo
not so high sometimes (see brock whatever), whereas often rapes are premeditated. 2/2
LaserWolfTurbo
i think its to dismiss further the idea that "they couldn't control their urge", an underlying idea which makes it so that sentences are 1/2
Svartlebee
So, we say that not because it's correct but because it helps our feelings.
LaserWolfTurbo
actually re reading that tweet i think he just means that we can't equate rape with sex, that they are entirely different things. as of (1)
LaserWolfTurbo
(2) motivations, i don't know, we would need more studies i guess. but i'm not one to consider true what makes me feel good in any case
Svartlebee
The fact Is, rape as a power issue is more of a sociological theory than an actual psychological one.
CarolMcAlister
All pedophillia is rape. Pedophillia is also about power. Many pedophiles SEEK jobs that give them power over children, teacher, preacher...
Svartlebee
And many don't. Many paedophiles are born that way, not made. And No, it isn't a power issue. Put it this way, people who are over the legal
Svartlebee
2/ age of consent get arrested for having sex with someone under, that's rape. Yet you'd be hard pressed to find many 17yr old girls call
Svartlebee
3/ their 18yr old boyfriends rapists or paedophiles. The fact Is, we call pedophilia wrong because of the age, not the motive.
CarolMcAlister
I did not consider the teen age difference thing. I don't even consider that paedophilia. I meant full on adults with children and babies.
Svartlebee
And what about full on adults with teenagers? Across Europe the age of consent varies 16 to 14. By America's puritan standards a lot of
CarolMcAlister
That should really be a case by case basis. The States all differ here too.
Svartlebee
2/ Europeans are paedophiles.
crinklecutcheesywhatsit
Except they violently rape you because they want sex, they don't hit you with the shovel because they want to garden.
michonnedisapproves
To be fair that's how I garden
ThaiMaiShu
exactly what I was thinking
Svartlebee
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex
BurntMomWarfare
I'm just imaging that video where that girl hit that other girl in the head with a shovel being all let me tend your garden bitch!
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
How do you know? A lot of fucked up gardeners out there!
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YouWillNotLikeThis
Rape is almost always about sex. most rapes happens between people knowing eachother and were the rapist doesn't understand "no" or ignors1)
YouWillNotLikeThis
2) the signs of the victime not wanting to go futher.
Shohanna
He understood No, just fine.. He wanted my submission?! The fuck is wrong with you?! Talking about something you are IGNORANT about!!
Porecomesis
Not always about the sex. Sometimes it's just about the power.
YouWillNotLikeThis
It is almost always about sex. A few times it is about power e.g serial killers
B99Reactions
The power of L..Sex
HadMeSomeChickens
And sometimes it's not about power, it's just about sex.
Porecomesis
Thank you for repeating the obvious. Truly, that would have slipped us all right by had you not brought it up as it was so necessary.
HadMeSomeChickens
Any time.
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
considering the post states that rape is NOT about sex, yes, it's a point worth repeating.
courtneysea
Many rapists seem to do it because they crave control or power or validation. Not because they are horny.
Svartlebee
Psychology would disagree with you.
sgv1
That makes zero sense. Most rapists don't want to be rapists, they commit sexual assault because they assume they're owed sex.
SilentHowling
A lot of rape happens because the signals for stop are ignored, misunderstood or not voiced.Lack of resistance doesn't mean it's not rape1/2
SilentHowling
The predatory let's get someone drunk or roofie them&take advantage is rare. Violent rapes are the rarest.
Wankathon
It's all mixed up, i don't think it's a good idea to dismiss the sexual aspect of rape
doctorbees
Not dismissing it so much as also considering that another factor may supersede the sex factor.
Shohanna
Pretty sure I was raped because I said No.....
doctorbees
That person likely used sex as a way to control you/retaliate for saying no. More than one factor.
hyperbolichumility
Speak for yourself. *drops shovel*
PreciousPotato
Rapist don't rape because of the sex, but because it makes them feel powerful to force someone to be intimate with them against their /1
PreciousPotato
will and to humilate them this way. I mean, rapists don't do it because no one would have consensual sex with them.
B99Reactions
Sometimes people wont have consensual sex with them when THEY want to, or a specific person will never consent
PreciousPotato
Sure, but if that were a legitimate reason to rape, we'd all be raped on a daily basis. Of course there are numerous variations when it /1
PreciousPotato
comes to a rapists motivation, but it's definitely not just about sex as such. More like, they can't handle rejection or feel inadequate, /2
YouWillNotLikeThis
That is a baseless theory. Almost all rapes are about sex
PreciousPotato
Sex is just the tool they use.
JetSetGo
According to whom?
YouWillNotLikeThis
Plus the whole "it is power thing" has never really been proven outside of scholarly debate
YouWillNotLikeThis
Also there is more points to it https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/insight-therapy/201602/rape-is-not-only-about-power-it-s-also-about-sex
YouWillNotLikeThis
According to almost all crime statistics about rape. Rape almost always happen when the rapist doesn't know/thinks he/she is comtting rape
Porecomesis
[Citation needed]
shiftingillusion
Because they would definitely be honest about their motives and not lie to try to get a lighter sentence.
kmccre3
Psychological studies have shown that in most cases sex is not necessarily the goal, an expression of power over the victim is the goal
Svartlebee
You mean sociological studies. Psychology actually finds sex to be a major component.
jordanschlansky
Psychological studies are suspect because of the nature of psychology. I'm not saying it's useless but you can overemphasize its importance.
Shohanna
I had a hard enough time telling my parents much less a strange MAN who had some interest in my "sexual" crap. Doubt very seriously that >>
Shohanna
>>Rape victims including myself would be open to discussing what happened!? Do people not understand PTSD and the damage that goes with it?!
Shohanna
It's DISGUSTING to sit here and read this thread where everyone seems to have some OPINION of my fucking experience?!? Do you realize how >>
YouWillNotLikeThis
That is almost only true for serial killers/serial rapist. Most rapes happens because the rapist doesn't think he/she is commiting a rape
AntoniusBlock33
Username checks out
YouWillNotLikeThis
It's okay. I think most people like to think of criminals as evil and deprived. But we need to realize that this isn't black and white1)
YouWillNotLikeThis
2) and that unless we change how we, talk about, and teach consent. Because we can prevent most rape
YouWillNotLikeThis
there is a reason why the focus is on teaching consent. If it was as simple as "it just an evil man doing evil" then we might as well give1)
YouWillNotLikeThis
2) up on hoping that rape can be prevented
CrazyMrowLady
You're insinuating that rapists are just confused about if their victim wants it or not. Pretty sure a lot of them know.
CryptoCrystalline
Wording here implies only men rape. Regardless of percentage of cases, don't forget to teach both sides.
YouWillNotLikeThis
There is only 150 characters. But yes both men an women need to learn about consent
TraceofSpades
Actually the studies have shown that not to be the case. I encourage you to do some research because the rape is power thing is largely myth
Shohanna
You know what, you need to give a source for this "studies". I don't believe a goddamned word of it.
TraceofSpades
Then I encourage you to go read up on it. I'm not going to babysit you. You have all the resources I do.
Shohanna
Oh then you don't get to claim that then do you? You claim, you own it and give a source!
B99Reactions
Wow everyone’s now an expert on rape either because they repeating something they read once or they’re really into rape
BarbedWireCatheter
https://imgur.com/k7YGCfR
B99Reactions
wat
BarbedWireCatheter
Raperham Lincoln is both an expert in rape and is really into rape, so I thought the image was fitting in light of your comment.
txmount
Or, y'know, there's a lot of people who are survivors. DOJ records estimate that there are more than 320k victims every year.
B99Reactions
Victims might not know the reason they got rape or someone tried to rape them
txmount
When I was assaulted, it was very clearly not about sex. It was about dominance and control.
B99Reactions
I mean like... the psychological reason
txmount
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence
ArtOfKarolMichalec
A woman gets raped in New York every 20 seconds. Bless her.
B99Reactions
The same woman?
jordanschlansky
Why would a survivor know any more about a rapist's motivations than anyone else?
Shohanna
Because the rapist said it? MAYBE?!
CertifiedAgreer
It depends on whether I was a vegetable or not
Kkenn
Vegan?
puppyflips
Getting hit by a shovel could make you one
pondox
SendBobsAndVagene
HadMeSomeChickens
Before or after they hit you?
GoDownOnHer
It turns you into one after you get hit with it
BananaLover93
am i in 4chan again ?
KillerTofu69
Aashe
Raping paraplegics makes me a gardener, got it.
knausenstein
No, raking then does
KnockKnockWhosThereJehovahsWitness
/r/evenwithcontext
CanOnlySayYes
yes
LanceCorporalCarrotIronfoundersson
The real moral of this story.
PreciousPotato
Wait, no.
BishopBarghest
with a shovel*
AtlasUnbound
Raping paraplegics makes you a gardener with a shovel?
JeffWithOnlyAFewNukes
You'd be a shitty gardener if you didn't have a shovel
PlatoOrPotato
"sod"omizing?
doctorbees
I'll save you a spot next to me in hell.
XChiefAwesomeX
I feel really bad that I laughed at that.
ReverseRollercoster
BillogUncle
Slipping on a carrot in my garden means I was raped, got it.
IDontLoveBigButtsButIDontHateThemEither
Depends on the carrot's placement on your body.
Thecynicalspud
Here's a teddy bear. Show me where the carrot touched you.