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rubypilgrim
What exactly does the HEALS Act heal? Or perhaps they just misspelled the HEELS Act
gregariouslouganis
Don't forget food assistance! Heroes: 15% increase to snap. Heals $250,000 increase. Its basically a joke.
ActuallyAPirate
Please don't back down dems... ugh..
woodenrobot
In one of those crazy socialist countries we’re getting $1500/ fortnight + 2x payments of $750 assistance
SilverNicktail
Up here in Canuckistan we've been doing $2000 a month per adult the whole time. Should just turn it into UBI.
Daevram1123
Doesn't the Heals act also have a shit load of unnecessary military spending as well or was that an older attempt?
thekeyofe
I remember hearing about the unnecessary military spending earlier this week, but I'm not sure if it's included in Heals or not.
Markodgt
"Next stimulus check" I STILL haven't gotten the first..
FMan5
Republicans hate America
The3DPrintingPolak
Maybe. Maybe not. But they sure as hell love money so they'll suck the dicks of corporations everyday of the week at the expense of america
BloodGoddess
It's almost like real change needs to happen at every level of govt. #guillotine2020
KungFuFlounder
The republicans are just being good employees, they know what the 1% who fund the super PACs that fund them want and they deliver.
charlietothemoon
This is just evil. Not sure how on earth one can defend Republicans with virtually no support to everyday Americans (even red states)
Compound515
It's very clear that the government is no longer working in the best interests of the people. Where are your checks and balances for that?
Zahnradfee
"no longer"? It hasn't for a long time.
Iankill
It's called a guillotine
Mr21782Man
Don't forget that they deliberately let the tax deferment slide so they could claim that a democratic president raised taxes.
TeddyDaBear
You forgot the Senate bill would also prevent you from suing your employer for failing to take reasonable measures against Covid spreading
mobiusm1
BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE
Kougeru
ϐοτн ѕι∂єѕ αяє τнє ѕαмє
eromitlab
Is true, comrade. Not fake!
idownvoteyouruglycats
I need this with enough pixels to make a yard sign
loldongs10000
Here you go, 18x24" and with trim marks https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QWJ8sglQiIyoij_KPpJTHB8AuRizeboi/view?usp=sharing
Larkins
"our best interests"
culinarydream7224
Once they get corporate immunity from COVID lawsuits, negotiations will be over. That's all they want right now
debthepleb
Well... I know that's sarcastic but I'll be a billionaire one day, and this'd make my life a lot easier then.
georgedragonslayer
There is nothing wrong with this statement. It is in OUR (very rich peoples) interest.
BloodyCrowOfCainhurst
How do they know what our best interest is? All we wanted was a Pepsi
xHeroOfTimexx
Just one Pepsi, but she wouldn’t give it to me
OmnibusLatinName
Mike, you're on drugs, aren't you!?
RetroRicki
But.... But both sides...
thatsmyfetish69
Wise up
r0twhylr
While you have a point, there's more to it than that.
missymischief13
macthelost
Huh. So odd why the GOP thinks if everyone actually voted, there would never be a republican in office ever again. /s
Copperbrat
They've come up with a plan to fix that problem. Telling their own to vote twice.
Cenodoxus
Yeah why not, they were making dead people vote in the last election.
DanniLuxgarbe
in fairness, at least SOME of the dead who vote died after casting their absentee ballots but before the day of the election.
I hope they do. I also hope they get at least the minimum of one year in prison and their vote doesn’t count.
juijksilver1991
This could potentially be a blessing in disguise if they aren’t allowed to vote again? 2/2
So when they get caught it’s a felony right? Which means they’re not allowed to vote anymore? And the vote doesn’t count this year? 1/2
TheJellyfishh
Dem plan was 3T. GOP plan was 1T. Dems offered 2T. The gop LOWERED their offer from 1T to 500B and ppl still asking Dems about negotiations.
That's not how a fucking negotiation works. The GOP is so goddamn useless. Vote them all the fuck out.
durangosama10
I know it's difficult, but unless we tax the rich or something, we are literally printing money which will be much worse in the long run.
the problem is that when we made this new country, we kept the economic system of the kings, which funnels more and more wealth into...
fewer and fewer hands, essentially making more kings. It allows the few to control the resources, allowing them to dictate to the rest...
of us how it's gonna be. The fix: eliminate all taxes save taxes on resources (Henry George expressed it as a tax on commercial real estate)
In effect, those who want to use resources pay rent to the rest of us for the use of those resources. No taxes on sales, payroll or income.
Use the $ to provide basic income for all so no chance to control others economically.
adjacentengels
Look at the tax structure before Reagan; or want just but it was adequate and taxed the wealthy a healthy amount.
that doesn't change the fundamental economic structure. Sooner or later robber barons will rise again.
RainierCamino
Oh don't worry, they're suspending payroll tax for federal employees. We still have to pay it all back, possibly with interest, but hooray.
T0go
you mean they're sabotaging social security?
WVGleeman
These are literally exactly the same. I can't tell the difference between the 2 parties. They are both the same terrible politicians. /s
CurbYourClassWar
MeestowKitty
I mean, can't that also be true? Just because Democrats are better by comparison, doesn't make them good. It just make Republicans monsters.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
The Dems/Dem leadership is fucking terrible and corrupt. They're also STILL better than the GOP which is why I vote straight blue.
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ShawnS0l0
/s means sarcasm, unless you were being sarcastic but didnt put a /s
whateverphil
Put a what?
louisgarnica30103000
Except one party insists on being WAYYY richer.
Flodos
One is clearly much, MUCH worse than the other, but let's be fair: neither party pass the bar in terms of how much ther *should* do for us.
gameScreensIgnore
Really kinda seems like we only have this conversation when one side is in power. The left is tired of taking responsibility for their own /
fuck ups as well as for some reason having to take responsibility for the Rights as well.
Rodrodington1
Until we can force rank tiered voting like Maine did, we have to chose the lesser of evils. On that note, let's start pushing for reformed
Dipityseren
I think the package they're trying to put together is pretty good.
liftyourskinnyfists
Let’s be even more fair and note that one party has growing faction fighting internally to make tha party more representative & accountable.
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
And the other party has ANTIFA burning down communities...
luckybreak91
This
The dem plan would look a whole lot different if the gop weren't in control of the Senate and white house but we didn't fucking vote.
They have to work within the system. They have to actually govern and pass a bill. It's already unlikely to pass the Senate. It's our fault.
Everyone who didn't vote or voted gop made the dem plan worse because we made them have to work with the gop instead of just doing the best
bill possible. Government doesn't just happen. I'm sick if this "it's not what I want so fuck it all" bs. Change is change and we have to
PinkyTheUnicorn2
But until our voting system changes, that's what you've got: two choices. So we need to fucking make the good one, and try to make it better
SydneySleeper
It's all about shifting the overton window
AninOnin
I yell at my GOOD friends for this shit. I swear to god, their purity politics makes me wanna drive a stake through their knees.
One candidate's goals are so incremental as to do nothing. THE OTHER IS DIRECTLY OPPOSED AND TAKING MASSIVE STRIDES. THIS IS NOT HARD.
Potatostein
Dems ain't great but Drumpf is straight-up evil, as far is i'm concerned. SICK of voting for the lesser of two evils. 2-party system BLOWS.
dunewolf
Funny how I say same thing about 2 party system, and say we should demand change - but get downvoted for it..
lecruest
yes but still have to play the game to break it, if you want nonviolent change within.if you dont play, it still exists just without you
uhohPilot
2 party system is very broken. Vote 3rd party ??
NoNameFred
Can your provide a credible/viable 3rd party? Some news programs treated 3rd parties as genuine candidates last time, and they were useless.
Interviewed in the same way as Clinton and Trump, they fumbled even soft-ball questions about their own policies. Hardly inspires confidence
Zyrixion
Voting 3rd party is literally just lighting your vote on fire, and helping the person you don't want to win, to win.
FlaccidHamster
But you'll be voting for someone you want as you should. Vote from your beliefs not from fear or hate.
Yes, but, since unfortunately whoever you want has *literally* no chance of winning, now, or in any other election that they run in as 1/
NakisaNadir
Not in this election, or youll be helping trump
Desh
By that logic I’m helping Biden by not voting as well
No, minority candidates profit from non voters. Especially in the dumb election system the us has
Masonrig
Honestly, my problem with the democrats is more about my problems with their leadership then the majority of the members.
I'm really hoping AOC is a good example of what we can expect from the upcoming generation of Democratic leaders. If the next set are even
half of what she is then I feel like we are in good hands.
Though, granted, I'm worried that she might be too far left for a lot of the central left to get behind and for the central right
to even consider. Here's hoping.
Their leadership is absolutely garbage, and THAT needs to change, but they are still the lesser of the two evils, which is best for now.
God, it's so true. My only hope is that people like Bernie drag them kicking and screaming towards being a real left-wing party and not 1/
2/ Republican Lite™️. Our Overton Window is so horrifyingly fucked.
Funny enough when I say I prefer Bernie over Biden I get downvoted.. I get I come across strong in that belief of that but damn..
Biden's really a candidate no one wanted. It took almost every other candidate dropping out and standing behind him to take the nomination.
Like, we're going to vote for him, because trump is an *absolutely* unacceptable alternative, but he's really not anyone's first choice.
TatersWhatsTatersPrecious
And still they will blame the democrats for not capitulating
Sen. MuhConnull is way ahead of you. DeMoCrAtS aRe BlOcKiNg CoRoNaViRuS aId
MostLikelyNotWearingPants
Detailed breakdown: https://www.gray-robinson.com/news/post/2663/side-by-side-comparison-the-senate-heals-act-vs-the-house-heroes-act
catfingers
"1 trillion in aid" holy shit
mattdmon84
Thank you
iputthefiresout
This is coming from a Christian who is pro-life: Republicans only care about you if you're rich or unborn.
VitaminBeaPositive
They don't care about unborn babies. Not really. They only "care" to get one issue Christian voters.
Bertfisch
whats pro Life? Like.. against beeing dead?
Anti-abortion. Generally has its origins in a conservative Christian belief that abortion is murder, and birth control is against God's 1>
will. The end result is somehow not ironic in their eyes.
wtf - that does not sound very pro life to me
"Pro-life" is branding because "anti-abortion" sounds unpleasant. Just like "Pro-choice" sounds better than "pro-abortion".
NickRivieraMD
and I'm pretty sure the unborn thing is just a sop to get enough people on board to push policies for the rich.
JohnWheelerIV
Bingo.
AxelBeingCivil
Not even really the latter. Otherwise, they'd be more in favour of sex ed and free prophylactics and social support.
Xedi22
Which they oppose and want to roll back even when shown in the real world to have lowered the abortion rate... funny how that works.
Stormycakes
IVF clinics terminate millions of viable embryos a year. Reps don’t care about the unborn, they care about hot button topics that gain votes
FancyAmsterdammerrrr
Pro-life as in also forbid the death penalty?
I'm against the death penalty. Our justice system is not fool proof enough for that.
N0HATS
"Republicans want living babies so they can have dead soldiers" - George Carlin
Kelgaros
As someone who isn't American, I was always confused by Republicans being pro-life but not pro-supporting those kids. Boggled my mind.
SgtFriskers
The best way I have heard it put is: they aren't pro-life, they are pro-birth.
Painkiller1991
That's because Republicans aren't pro-life, they're pro-fetus. They become pro-"fuck you, I got mine" after birth.
Capnrory
It's just a wedge issue that allows them to capture a big voting block. Republican politicians dont care (hence why abortion is still legal)
shinagami091
They’re trying to scare women into being abstinent. They think if women have no birth control options they won’t have premarital sex
shadefang
And as a secondary, if they DO anyway, they're stuck with a kid and forced to settle down and take care of them.
Infinias
Essential a freebie for man to be "whores" and a support for staying-home-moms. But who is surprised by a demographic from '45+...
... in the major sitting seats.
Once racism wasn’t a good party issue, it was intentionally switched to abortion. It was marketing. Hence why so specific and narrow.
Seigeengine
It's not about kids. It's about shackling the poor with costs to keep them impoverished, and creating intergenerational poverty.
AllBent
And then getting to whine about people on Welfare. "Look at those lazy assholes!"
stevencloser
It's pretty easy. They're not pro-life, they're anti-women-having-choices.
SmutGrrrl
YUP
Exactly.
Christians believe unborn babies are still people with rights. Republican politicians leverage that to say vote for me, I'm against abortion
This exactly. It was intentionally picked as an issue to to be heavily marketed to. The parties need divisive out front issues.
TomDogpants
They are pandering to Christian voters.
They picked an issue and marketed heavily to make it so. Many churches used to even low key help people get abortions.
Sage042000
This^. They don't care about the babies at all. Born or not. What they care about is the Christian voting block. Being against abortion is
/2 the only "christ-like" thing they have left to tout, cuz they don't give a shit about the poor, hungry or sick, love war, hate immigrants
googobbleygoofred
Some of the reasons I’m not voting republican for the first time in my life. I’m 63
Velisity
Thanks for getting us here in the first place.
vladimirtheliberator
Thank you, it is greatly appreciated (from a 26 year old).
Mavgurian
Europe says thank you!
IWannaMemeWithSomebody
Thank you!
fariaaa
Thank you so much
56chatnoir0
But please DO vote.
bigpooplog
Thanks from a 53 yr old
LokJok
1. Thank you. 2. I don't get how +70M Americans still voted Republican, after everything they've done in the past 4 years.
Cactuskid69
Me too and I'm 63 lol ....and NO I did not vote for Trump !! ?
SternoTesticularLigament
which GOP (non WH) is still traditional Republican (not Trump centric) in your opinion? Mitt Romney? Gaetz? Kasich? S.Collins?
Ark161
I sincerely thank you. I understand we have fundamentally different ideologies, buy hope one day we can fine the middle ground again.
MayorPandaTaker
Thank you for willing to be subject to growth and change, I respect you
Thephedora
Country over party. Thank you for helping right the ship.
xSapphire
Thank you from a Canadian who is terrified by what has happened to our southern neighbor.
mmmiiiikke42
Yeah well Republicans have been doing that since reagan
Gizmophaze
Good on you friend. Mind coming and talking to my mom? 5 democrat children, 1 democrat husband, and she still thinks trump can do the job
notaturdherder
Huge Thank you to your Mom
IRolledAOneInRealLife
This is true I guess. The world does need SOME dumb people. Thank you for being essential
SirBagels
Hey iq is a sliding scale, we can't all be 100s
JenAwesome
My mom was on the Bernie team 4 months ago, now she thinks Trump is the man... It's like she's been brainwashed into a cult!
TheyHaveThePlantButWeHaveThePower
I'll come talk to your Mom kiddo
MrHerpertDerpington
Well, his job is catering to russian oligarchs and multi billionairs. He's doing okay at that.
archaholic
Yeah, he's making the rich richer and killing the poor, draining the swamp and replacing it with a dumpster fire, and bowing to dictators
GodsFoot
Honestly I feel if democrats don't get all three majorities, we will be stuck with people like mcturtle stalling everything
historymaker121
McTurtle. I snorted on my coffee. I’m not entirely sure if you’re talking about Mitch, but that’s who I pictured.
You must be relatively new here. Before he was Moscow mitch we made fun of the fact he looks like a turtle. God I wish for simpler times...
Def not new at all. I just used to skip political posts.
PaulHurley
coffeebaby
Thank you from a 50 yr old.
Sweetcharade83
Thank you.
MisterPrimeMinister
You are a good person. Not because you changed your mind but because you had the courage to do so.
conflictmuffins
As a 30 year old who moved out at 15 and has had a lifetime of struggles...Thank you so much for changing your mind this election! ❤️
Saxytimes
Boomers like memes?
well that is meta AF
Good on you buddy. Glad you can see sense
redsoxpwn
As a 25 year old- thank you for caring that I get to spend my adulthood in a democracy
Voliscare
I just hope enough people like you go out and vote. I. Younger (28) but this is the first time I'm voting dem for pres too
DanielAsparagus
Good on you. Thank you for realizing that at some point we are in it together.
BoopleSnoot615
My 97 year old MIL adores Trump and will vote for him (again). I don't think she should get to vote at that age. But that's just me.
Belgiddybleh
Same. Switched parties a couple months ago.
backrideup9
At 41, I dont think I'll ever vote Republican again. With what I've seen the last 4 years, it's just abhorrent.
swellerelk
They're not Republicans anymore.
johnvictor
Do recommend you research both parties to understand neither are ideal ultimately, but one is way different from the other in their approach
PantaloonPrincess
Thank you!!!
Thank you, genuinely
cheezypotaters
eleonorae
Thank you. I wish my dad saw it the same way you did. He's smart but just keeps making excuses for everything Trump does and it hurts me :(
Show him the sunk cost fallacy. He probably doesn't agree, but doesn't want to feel wrong as it would prove he was complicit
cuddlesdotgif
I hear you. My father is the same. It’s really heart wrenching because I love him but I cannot reconcile his belief system.
AManisNotACamel
That sounds like a full time job. Trump does and says so much fucked up stuff, I don’t understand how you could defend him..
Of the pandemic, he keeps sayin "well this could've still happened with a different president" which he knows is impossible to prove. AUGH
MathiasTolerain
Then he’s not smart. He might be trained, educated, capable, or clever with some tools/topics, but he’s dumb as a box of toe nail clippings.
flistdumpnumberonemillion
smart people can choose to be wrong on purpose if it suits their rotten monstrous fucking goblin morals
Madalchemist2018
You're right he could be smart and a liar
I told him Trump's an idiot and he said "Yeah, but he's a useful idiot." Hes voting for his party, not the person. I guess he thinks it's>
>better than having Democrats in charge. I don't know how to get through to him that it's not about the two parties...
2graves
Yeah I used to be a republican. What even is the party these days? They seem to be the antithesis of Christian values.
TheSuperSquirrel
Indeed! I don't even begin to understand how someone could consider Trump "God's choice" when he's the opposite of everything Jesus taught.
When did they embody Christian values? Was it Bush arguing to justify torture? Was it Reagan laughing at AIDS victims? Was it Gerald (1)
Ford pardoning Nixon? Was it Nixon being Nixon? (2)
Pgoodso
I very much respect that decision. I also respectfully invite you to consider and discuss why you could not see in 2016 what you see now.
The one I frequently saw is "Well, we have a corrupt politician running against a corrupt businessman. Let's try the one we haven't before."
They might have noticed that, surprisingly, the leopards are eating their face too.
IdiotSavantTinker
The problem was, the DNC insisted on running someone so reviled that she couldn't win against Trump.
I'm not a "Bernie bro" but I think he could possibly have won against Trump. Both times. :(
I think literally anyone but Hillary could have won in 2016, as evidenced by the fact that she lost.
floatationman
Well, you see there was this 40 year propaganda campaign against an already easy to dislike career politician. /1
The DNC chose to run the *one* candidate that could unite the disparate conservative elements behind Trump. /2
They basically ran the death star, allowing those with long standing dislike of her to see themselves as rebels; heroes, really. /3
Resisting an evil incursion of deep state bureaucrats. Or something like that. I can understand being bamboozled by the long con. /4
deaththeunholy
Genuine thanks from a 32 year old. Politics aside, let's just save America this November
MrRandom314159
Don't just vote President. Make sure the shit heels who blocked evidence for his trial, knowing what he did and STILL let him sit go down.
Covidnineteen
I'm scared biden might out an end to me
Vaelborn
Dude, what?
Lovethespam
*put an end to me
ProfessionalTwatWaffle
Nice! Right over their heads.
LordVulpix
Word good, please. :D
SLCBurrito
OH! "might PUT an end to me" RE: your username. Got it.
Not my best typo, not my worst either
Leonon
Still doing pretty well for a virus.
JurassicParkour
dingofdong
Check the username, also *put
shakefu
Were you not paying attention for the past 20 years or what?
SoundFuture
McCain and Romney were solid choices. It is not as simple as the imgur hive mind would like it to be.
Yeap and neither of them had White Supremacists in their cabinet picks. If you voted for Trump, you’re complicit.
likeumreal
It would be more accurate if you doubled that number.
Ilikecreativepeople
That's not a good attitude to have if you want to build consensus
Shoutrr
i get the idea, but consensus is not the best word to use. it means boh side meet in the middle, and you don't want to move to their side
I mean, check your targets, son, this one's on our side. At this juncture, "why" isn't important, or what they did in the past.
This one just said they voted to put Trump in office. They are complicit.
Yo, I understand the "wtf" mentality, I really really do. But it's more important to express appreciation when ppl admit their mistakes rn.
Anxiety over being treated like a moron for ignorance is why people double down on shit. It's frustrating, but counter productive.
This is good advice. I've been struggling hard to live up to it lately.
SteveTheEgg
Counter productive, this dude only now gives a shit because it's directly affecting his livehoid, fuck him and every asshole like him.
But feel free to vent to me in DMs, for real.
GOP has been trying to dismantle and destroy for my entire adult life. The previous commenter helped that happen. It’s a bit late for this.
storebrandproductmascot
That's one thing I never understood. Know nothing about a subject, get called a moron, you should want to learn, not be a super moron.
imwithpluto
Maybe they should, but who’s motivated to go learn what the other side is saying when they’re calling you names for already not knowing?
Basic human nature. 1) feel attacked, 2) get defensive, 3) dig in harder. VS: 1) friendly discussion, 2) find common ground, 3) change.
rubypilgrim
What exactly does the HEALS Act heal? Or perhaps they just misspelled the HEELS Act
gregariouslouganis
Don't forget food assistance! Heroes: 15% increase to snap. Heals $250,000 increase. Its basically a joke.
ActuallyAPirate
Please don't back down dems... ugh..
woodenrobot
In one of those crazy socialist countries we’re getting $1500/ fortnight + 2x payments of $750 assistance
SilverNicktail
Up here in Canuckistan we've been doing $2000 a month per adult the whole time. Should just turn it into UBI.
Daevram1123
Doesn't the Heals act also have a shit load of unnecessary military spending as well or was that an older attempt?
thekeyofe
I remember hearing about the unnecessary military spending earlier this week, but I'm not sure if it's included in Heals or not.
Markodgt
"Next stimulus check" I STILL haven't gotten the first..
FMan5
Republicans hate America
The3DPrintingPolak
Maybe. Maybe not. But they sure as hell love money so they'll suck the dicks of corporations everyday of the week at the expense of america
BloodGoddess
It's almost like real change needs to happen at every level of govt. #guillotine2020
KungFuFlounder
The republicans are just being good employees, they know what the 1% who fund the super PACs that fund them want and they deliver.
charlietothemoon
This is just evil. Not sure how on earth one can defend Republicans with virtually no support to everyday Americans (even red states)
Compound515
It's very clear that the government is no longer working in the best interests of the people. Where are your checks and balances for that?
Zahnradfee
"no longer"? It hasn't for a long time.
Iankill
It's called a guillotine
Mr21782Man
Don't forget that they deliberately let the tax deferment slide so they could claim that a democratic president raised taxes.
TeddyDaBear
You forgot the Senate bill would also prevent you from suing your employer for failing to take reasonable measures against Covid spreading
mobiusm1
BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE
Kougeru
ϐοτн ѕι∂єѕ αяє τнє ѕαмє
eromitlab
Is true, comrade. Not fake!
idownvoteyouruglycats
I need this with enough pixels to make a yard sign
loldongs10000
Here you go, 18x24" and with trim marks https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QWJ8sglQiIyoij_KPpJTHB8AuRizeboi/view?usp=sharing
Larkins
"our best interests"
culinarydream7224
Once they get corporate immunity from COVID lawsuits, negotiations will be over. That's all they want right now
debthepleb
Well... I know that's sarcastic but I'll be a billionaire one day, and this'd make my life a lot easier then.
georgedragonslayer
There is nothing wrong with this statement. It is in OUR (very rich peoples) interest.
BloodyCrowOfCainhurst
How do they know what our best interest is? All we wanted was a Pepsi
xHeroOfTimexx
Just one Pepsi, but she wouldn’t give it to me
OmnibusLatinName
Mike, you're on drugs, aren't you!?
RetroRicki
But.... But both sides...
thatsmyfetish69
Wise up
r0twhylr
While you have a point, there's more to it than that.
missymischief13
macthelost
Huh. So odd why the GOP thinks if everyone actually voted, there would never be a republican in office ever again. /s
Copperbrat
They've come up with a plan to fix that problem. Telling their own to vote twice.
Cenodoxus
Yeah why not, they were making dead people vote in the last election.
DanniLuxgarbe
in fairness, at least SOME of the dead who vote died after casting their absentee ballots but before the day of the election.
macthelost
I hope they do. I also hope they get at least the minimum of one year in prison and their vote doesn’t count.
juijksilver1991
This could potentially be a blessing in disguise if they aren’t allowed to vote again? 2/2
juijksilver1991
So when they get caught it’s a felony right? Which means they’re not allowed to vote anymore? And the vote doesn’t count this year? 1/2
TheJellyfishh
Dem plan was 3T. GOP plan was 1T. Dems offered 2T. The gop LOWERED their offer from 1T to 500B and ppl still asking Dems about negotiations.
TheJellyfishh
That's not how a fucking negotiation works. The GOP is so goddamn useless. Vote them all the fuck out.
durangosama10
I know it's difficult, but unless we tax the rich or something, we are literally printing money which will be much worse in the long run.
rubypilgrim
the problem is that when we made this new country, we kept the economic system of the kings, which funnels more and more wealth into...
rubypilgrim
fewer and fewer hands, essentially making more kings. It allows the few to control the resources, allowing them to dictate to the rest...
rubypilgrim
of us how it's gonna be. The fix: eliminate all taxes save taxes on resources (Henry George expressed it as a tax on commercial real estate)
rubypilgrim
In effect, those who want to use resources pay rent to the rest of us for the use of those resources. No taxes on sales, payroll or income.
rubypilgrim
Use the $ to provide basic income for all so no chance to control others economically.
adjacentengels
Look at the tax structure before Reagan; or want just but it was adequate and taxed the wealthy a healthy amount.
rubypilgrim
that doesn't change the fundamental economic structure. Sooner or later robber barons will rise again.
RainierCamino
Oh don't worry, they're suspending payroll tax for federal employees. We still have to pay it all back, possibly with interest, but hooray.
T0go
you mean they're sabotaging social security?
WVGleeman
These are literally exactly the same. I can't tell the difference between the 2 parties. They are both the same terrible politicians. /s
CurbYourClassWar
MeestowKitty
I mean, can't that also be true? Just because Democrats are better by comparison, doesn't make them good. It just make Republicans monsters.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
The Dems/Dem leadership is fucking terrible and corrupt. They're also STILL better than the GOP which is why I vote straight blue.
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ShawnS0l0
/s means sarcasm, unless you were being sarcastic but didnt put a /s
whateverphil
Put a what?
louisgarnica30103000
Except one party insists on being WAYYY richer.
Flodos
One is clearly much, MUCH worse than the other, but let's be fair: neither party pass the bar in terms of how much ther *should* do for us.
gameScreensIgnore
Really kinda seems like we only have this conversation when one side is in power. The left is tired of taking responsibility for their own /
gameScreensIgnore
fuck ups as well as for some reason having to take responsibility for the Rights as well.
Rodrodington1
Until we can force rank tiered voting like Maine did, we have to chose the lesser of evils. On that note, let's start pushing for reformed
Dipityseren
I think the package they're trying to put together is pretty good.
liftyourskinnyfists
Let’s be even more fair and note that one party has growing faction fighting internally to make tha party more representative & accountable.
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
And the other party has ANTIFA burning down communities...
luckybreak91
This
TheJellyfishh
The dem plan would look a whole lot different if the gop weren't in control of the Senate and white house but we didn't fucking vote.
TheJellyfishh
They have to work within the system. They have to actually govern and pass a bill. It's already unlikely to pass the Senate. It's our fault.
TheJellyfishh
Everyone who didn't vote or voted gop made the dem plan worse because we made them have to work with the gop instead of just doing the best
TheJellyfishh
bill possible. Government doesn't just happen. I'm sick if this "it's not what I want so fuck it all" bs. Change is change and we have to
PinkyTheUnicorn2
But until our voting system changes, that's what you've got: two choices. So we need to fucking make the good one, and try to make it better
SydneySleeper
It's all about shifting the overton window
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AninOnin
I yell at my GOOD friends for this shit. I swear to god, their purity politics makes me wanna drive a stake through their knees.
AninOnin
One candidate's goals are so incremental as to do nothing. THE OTHER IS DIRECTLY OPPOSED AND TAKING MASSIVE STRIDES. THIS IS NOT HARD.
Potatostein
Dems ain't great but Drumpf is straight-up evil, as far is i'm concerned. SICK of voting for the lesser of two evils. 2-party system BLOWS.
dunewolf
Funny how I say same thing about 2 party system, and say we should demand change - but get downvoted for it..
lecruest
yes but still have to play the game to break it, if you want nonviolent change within.if you dont play, it still exists just without you
uhohPilot
2 party system is very broken. Vote 3rd party ??
NoNameFred
Can your provide a credible/viable 3rd party? Some news programs treated 3rd parties as genuine candidates last time, and they were useless.
NoNameFred
Interviewed in the same way as Clinton and Trump, they fumbled even soft-ball questions about their own policies. Hardly inspires confidence
Zyrixion
Voting 3rd party is literally just lighting your vote on fire, and helping the person you don't want to win, to win.
FlaccidHamster
But you'll be voting for someone you want as you should. Vote from your beliefs not from fear or hate.
Zyrixion
Yes, but, since unfortunately whoever you want has *literally* no chance of winning, now, or in any other election that they run in as 1/
NakisaNadir
Not in this election, or youll be helping trump
Desh
By that logic I’m helping Biden by not voting as well
NakisaNadir
No, minority candidates profit from non voters. Especially in the dumb election system the us has
Masonrig
Honestly, my problem with the democrats is more about my problems with their leadership then the majority of the members.
luckybreak91
I'm really hoping AOC is a good example of what we can expect from the upcoming generation of Democratic leaders. If the next set are even
luckybreak91
half of what she is then I feel like we are in good hands.
luckybreak91
Though, granted, I'm worried that she might be too far left for a lot of the central left to get behind and for the central right
luckybreak91
to even consider. Here's hoping.
Masonrig
Their leadership is absolutely garbage, and THAT needs to change, but they are still the lesser of the two evils, which is best for now.
Zyrixion
God, it's so true. My only hope is that people like Bernie drag them kicking and screaming towards being a real left-wing party and not 1/
Zyrixion
2/ Republican Lite™️. Our Overton Window is so horrifyingly fucked.
dunewolf
Funny enough when I say I prefer Bernie over Biden I get downvoted.. I get I come across strong in that belief of that but damn..
Zyrixion
Biden's really a candidate no one wanted. It took almost every other candidate dropping out and standing behind him to take the nomination.
Zyrixion
Like, we're going to vote for him, because trump is an *absolutely* unacceptable alternative, but he's really not anyone's first choice.
TatersWhatsTatersPrecious
And still they will blame the democrats for not capitulating
eromitlab
Sen. MuhConnull is way ahead of you. DeMoCrAtS aRe BlOcKiNg CoRoNaViRuS aId
MostLikelyNotWearingPants
Detailed breakdown: https://www.gray-robinson.com/news/post/2663/side-by-side-comparison-the-senate-heals-act-vs-the-house-heroes-act
catfingers
"1 trillion in aid" holy shit
mattdmon84
Thank you
iputthefiresout
This is coming from a Christian who is pro-life: Republicans only care about you if you're rich or unborn.
VitaminBeaPositive
They don't care about unborn babies. Not really. They only "care" to get one issue Christian voters.
Bertfisch
whats pro Life? Like.. against beeing dead?
r0twhylr
Anti-abortion. Generally has its origins in a conservative Christian belief that abortion is murder, and birth control is against God's 1>
r0twhylr
will. The end result is somehow not ironic in their eyes.
Bertfisch
wtf - that does not sound very pro life to me
r0twhylr
"Pro-life" is branding because "anti-abortion" sounds unpleasant. Just like "Pro-choice" sounds better than "pro-abortion".
NickRivieraMD
and I'm pretty sure the unborn thing is just a sop to get enough people on board to push policies for the rich.
JohnWheelerIV
Bingo.
AxelBeingCivil
Not even really the latter. Otherwise, they'd be more in favour of sex ed and free prophylactics and social support.
Xedi22
Which they oppose and want to roll back even when shown in the real world to have lowered the abortion rate... funny how that works.
Stormycakes
IVF clinics terminate millions of viable embryos a year. Reps don’t care about the unborn, they care about hot button topics that gain votes
FancyAmsterdammerrrr
Pro-life as in also forbid the death penalty?
iputthefiresout
I'm against the death penalty. Our justice system is not fool proof enough for that.
N0HATS
"Republicans want living babies so they can have dead soldiers" - George Carlin
Kelgaros
As someone who isn't American, I was always confused by Republicans being pro-life but not pro-supporting those kids. Boggled my mind.
SgtFriskers
The best way I have heard it put is: they aren't pro-life, they are pro-birth.
Painkiller1991
That's because Republicans aren't pro-life, they're pro-fetus. They become pro-"fuck you, I got mine" after birth.
Capnrory
It's just a wedge issue that allows them to capture a big voting block. Republican politicians dont care (hence why abortion is still legal)
shinagami091
They’re trying to scare women into being abstinent. They think if women have no birth control options they won’t have premarital sex
shadefang
And as a secondary, if they DO anyway, they're stuck with a kid and forced to settle down and take care of them.
Infinias
Essential a freebie for man to be "whores" and a support for staying-home-moms. But who is surprised by a demographic from '45+...
Infinias
... in the major sitting seats.
Xedi22
Once racism wasn’t a good party issue, it was intentionally switched to abortion. It was marketing. Hence why so specific and narrow.
Seigeengine
It's not about kids. It's about shackling the poor with costs to keep them impoverished, and creating intergenerational poverty.
AllBent
And then getting to whine about people on Welfare. "Look at those lazy assholes!"
stevencloser
It's pretty easy. They're not pro-life, they're anti-women-having-choices.
SmutGrrrl
YUP
Infinias
Exactly.
iputthefiresout
Christians believe unborn babies are still people with rights. Republican politicians leverage that to say vote for me, I'm against abortion
Xedi22
This exactly. It was intentionally picked as an issue to to be heavily marketed to. The parties need divisive out front issues.
TomDogpants
They are pandering to Christian voters.
Xedi22
They picked an issue and marketed heavily to make it so. Many churches used to even low key help people get abortions.
Sage042000
This^. They don't care about the babies at all. Born or not. What they care about is the Christian voting block. Being against abortion is
Sage042000
/2 the only "christ-like" thing they have left to tout, cuz they don't give a shit about the poor, hungry or sick, love war, hate immigrants
googobbleygoofred
Some of the reasons I’m not voting republican for the first time in my life. I’m 63
Velisity
Thanks for getting us here in the first place.
vladimirtheliberator
Thank you, it is greatly appreciated (from a 26 year old).
Mavgurian
Europe says thank you!
IWannaMemeWithSomebody
Thank you!
fariaaa
Thank you so much
56chatnoir0
But please DO vote.
bigpooplog
Thanks from a 53 yr old
LokJok
1. Thank you. 2. I don't get how +70M Americans still voted Republican, after everything they've done in the past 4 years.
Cactuskid69
Me too and I'm 63 lol ....and NO I did not vote for Trump !! ?
SternoTesticularLigament
which GOP (non WH) is still traditional Republican (not Trump centric) in your opinion? Mitt Romney? Gaetz? Kasich? S.Collins?
Ark161
I sincerely thank you. I understand we have fundamentally different ideologies, buy hope one day we can fine the middle ground again.
MayorPandaTaker
Thank you for willing to be subject to growth and change, I respect you
Thephedora
Country over party. Thank you for helping right the ship.
xSapphire
Thank you from a Canadian who is terrified by what has happened to our southern neighbor.
mmmiiiikke42
Yeah well Republicans have been doing that since reagan
Gizmophaze
Good on you friend. Mind coming and talking to my mom? 5 democrat children, 1 democrat husband, and she still thinks trump can do the job
notaturdherder
Huge Thank you to your Mom
IRolledAOneInRealLife
This is true I guess. The world does need SOME dumb people. Thank you for being essential
SirBagels
Hey iq is a sliding scale, we can't all be 100s
JenAwesome
My mom was on the Bernie team 4 months ago, now she thinks Trump is the man... It's like she's been brainwashed into a cult!
TheyHaveThePlantButWeHaveThePower
I'll come talk to your Mom kiddo
MrHerpertDerpington
Well, his job is catering to russian oligarchs and multi billionairs. He's doing okay at that.
archaholic
Yeah, he's making the rich richer and killing the poor, draining the swamp and replacing it with a dumpster fire, and bowing to dictators
GodsFoot
Honestly I feel if democrats don't get all three majorities, we will be stuck with people like mcturtle stalling everything
historymaker121
McTurtle. I snorted on my coffee. I’m not entirely sure if you’re talking about Mitch, but that’s who I pictured.
SirBagels
You must be relatively new here. Before he was Moscow mitch we made fun of the fact he looks like a turtle. God I wish for simpler times...
historymaker121
Def not new at all. I just used to skip political posts.
PaulHurley
coffeebaby
Thank you from a 50 yr old.
Sweetcharade83
Thank you.
MisterPrimeMinister
You are a good person. Not because you changed your mind but because you had the courage to do so.
conflictmuffins
As a 30 year old who moved out at 15 and has had a lifetime of struggles...Thank you so much for changing your mind this election! ❤️
Saxytimes
Boomers like memes?
Ark161
well that is meta AF
shinagami091
Good on you buddy. Glad you can see sense
redsoxpwn
As a 25 year old- thank you for caring that I get to spend my adulthood in a democracy
Voliscare
I just hope enough people like you go out and vote. I. Younger (28) but this is the first time I'm voting dem for pres too
DanielAsparagus
Good on you. Thank you for realizing that at some point we are in it together.
BoopleSnoot615
My 97 year old MIL adores Trump and will vote for him (again). I don't think she should get to vote at that age. But that's just me.
Belgiddybleh
Same. Switched parties a couple months ago.
backrideup9
At 41, I dont think I'll ever vote Republican again. With what I've seen the last 4 years, it's just abhorrent.
swellerelk
They're not Republicans anymore.
johnvictor
Do recommend you research both parties to understand neither are ideal ultimately, but one is way different from the other in their approach
PantaloonPrincess
Thank you!!!
SmutGrrrl
Thank you, genuinely
cheezypotaters
Thank you!!!
eleonorae
Thank you. I wish my dad saw it the same way you did. He's smart but just keeps making excuses for everything Trump does and it hurts me :(
GodsFoot
Show him the sunk cost fallacy. He probably doesn't agree, but doesn't want to feel wrong as it would prove he was complicit
cuddlesdotgif
I hear you. My father is the same. It’s really heart wrenching because I love him but I cannot reconcile his belief system.
AManisNotACamel
That sounds like a full time job. Trump does and says so much fucked up stuff, I don’t understand how you could defend him..
eleonorae
Of the pandemic, he keeps sayin "well this could've still happened with a different president" which he knows is impossible to prove. AUGH
MathiasTolerain
Then he’s not smart. He might be trained, educated, capable, or clever with some tools/topics, but he’s dumb as a box of toe nail clippings.
flistdumpnumberonemillion
smart people can choose to be wrong on purpose if it suits their rotten monstrous fucking goblin morals
Madalchemist2018
You're right he could be smart and a liar
eleonorae
I told him Trump's an idiot and he said "Yeah, but he's a useful idiot." Hes voting for his party, not the person. I guess he thinks it's>
eleonorae
>better than having Democrats in charge. I don't know how to get through to him that it's not about the two parties...
2graves
Yeah I used to be a republican. What even is the party these days? They seem to be the antithesis of Christian values.
TheSuperSquirrel
Indeed! I don't even begin to understand how someone could consider Trump "God's choice" when he's the opposite of everything Jesus taught.
AxelBeingCivil
When did they embody Christian values? Was it Bush arguing to justify torture? Was it Reagan laughing at AIDS victims? Was it Gerald (1)
AxelBeingCivil
Ford pardoning Nixon? Was it Nixon being Nixon? (2)
Pgoodso
I very much respect that decision. I also respectfully invite you to consider and discuss why you could not see in 2016 what you see now.
shadefang
The one I frequently saw is "Well, we have a corrupt politician running against a corrupt businessman. Let's try the one we haven't before."
Zahnradfee
They might have noticed that, surprisingly, the leopards are eating their face too.
IdiotSavantTinker
The problem was, the DNC insisted on running someone so reviled that she couldn't win against Trump.
eleonorae
I'm not a "Bernie bro" but I think he could possibly have won against Trump. Both times. :(
IdiotSavantTinker
I think literally anyone but Hillary could have won in 2016, as evidenced by the fact that she lost.
floatationman
Well, you see there was this 40 year propaganda campaign against an already easy to dislike career politician. /1
floatationman
The DNC chose to run the *one* candidate that could unite the disparate conservative elements behind Trump. /2
floatationman
They basically ran the death star, allowing those with long standing dislike of her to see themselves as rebels; heroes, really. /3
floatationman
Resisting an evil incursion of deep state bureaucrats. Or something like that. I can understand being bamboozled by the long con. /4
deaththeunholy
Genuine thanks from a 32 year old. Politics aside, let's just save America this November
MrRandom314159
Don't just vote President. Make sure the shit heels who blocked evidence for his trial, knowing what he did and STILL let him sit go down.
Covidnineteen
I'm scared biden might out an end to me
Vaelborn
Dude, what?
Lovethespam
*put an end to me
ProfessionalTwatWaffle
Nice! Right over their heads.
LordVulpix
Word good, please. :D
SLCBurrito
OH! "might PUT an end to me" RE: your username. Got it.
Covidnineteen
Not my best typo, not my worst either
Leonon
Still doing pretty well for a virus.
JurassicParkour
dingofdong
Check the username, also *put
shakefu
Were you not paying attention for the past 20 years or what?
SoundFuture
McCain and Romney were solid choices. It is not as simple as the imgur hive mind would like it to be.
shakefu
Yeap and neither of them had White Supremacists in their cabinet picks. If you voted for Trump, you’re complicit.
likeumreal
It would be more accurate if you doubled that number.
Ilikecreativepeople
That's not a good attitude to have if you want to build consensus
Shoutrr
i get the idea, but consensus is not the best word to use. it means boh side meet in the middle, and you don't want to move to their side
Zyrixion
I mean, check your targets, son, this one's on our side. At this juncture, "why" isn't important, or what they did in the past.
shakefu
This one just said they voted to put Trump in office. They are complicit.
AninOnin
Yo, I understand the "wtf" mentality, I really really do. But it's more important to express appreciation when ppl admit their mistakes rn.
AninOnin
Anxiety over being treated like a moron for ignorance is why people double down on shit. It's frustrating, but counter productive.
AxelBeingCivil
This is good advice. I've been struggling hard to live up to it lately.
SteveTheEgg
Counter productive, this dude only now gives a shit because it's directly affecting his livehoid, fuck him and every asshole like him.
AninOnin
But feel free to vent to me in DMs, for real.
shakefu
GOP has been trying to dismantle and destroy for my entire adult life. The previous commenter helped that happen. It’s a bit late for this.
storebrandproductmascot
That's one thing I never understood. Know nothing about a subject, get called a moron, you should want to learn, not be a super moron.
imwithpluto
Maybe they should, but who’s motivated to go learn what the other side is saying when they’re calling you names for already not knowing?
r0twhylr
Basic human nature. 1) feel attacked, 2) get defensive, 3) dig in harder. VS: 1) friendly discussion, 2) find common ground, 3) change.