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bwfrieds
I wish I could write in his name for president.
hippiteehoppitee
Putin said he supported Trump and now Snowden, as a resident of Russia, is dissing Clinton...seems sketchy?
DVSBSTrD
Well Hillary cared about her privacy, and everybody hates her because she didn't leak government secrets to ENOUGH people.
Hybris51129
Will the circle jerk ever end? Its not even funny anymore its sad to see people still at it.
JoeBobBriggs
The mans a traitor for giving state secrets to Russia but hes right.
WindowsNewTechnology
I don't know who Edward Snowden is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
weeshful
yeah, he released secret files without reading them first, and gave them to people too careless to properly vet them. it's hard to be a fan
amoham34
The files he released were records of data mining, specifically records of contact time & freq. Not actual transcripts of communication.
Seedling
Help! I can hardly read this, am I too stoned?
iownaSNES
Nigga you jus dumb
Amuzaulo
A person under Russian protection is criticizing the presidential candidate whose policies are less beneficial to Russia. Coincidence?
Fexcad
I seriously hope youre trolling because what youre implying is idiotic.
SimeonKulp
peacefulwarlord
Fucking love this guy
measterl
Said it before, incompetent
xxbiohazrdxx
I don't know how many times this has to be spelled out. Zero. Z E R O of the emails on Clinton's server were classified when sent/received
BuyMeBoozeAndWaffles
"Hwhat?" - Hank Hill Snowden.
jackbos
Attention whore continues to whore attention.
constructedid
Can we get an Edwarn Snowden for President write-in campaign going?
tiddersandbacon
And this b want to be our potus??
Worm4real
I'd have more respect for snowden if it did anything but leak some PDFs and go live in russia and do fucking nothing.
CthuluIsMyHomie
"Exiled"- bitch, you ran to avoid prosecution, don't act like you were told to leave
iFavoriteNSWFstuffButtAlsoOtherStuff
you should get you shit straight...
HerbertQuain
I think political refugees are included in the definition of 'exile'... Being sent into exile is not really practised anymore, is it?
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I suppose like Idi Amin. But that was probably for good reason...
CthuluIsMyHomie
I don't know that I consider someone charged with treason a political refugee, but fair point. I also don't hate that he did what he did 1/2
CthuluIsMyHomie
But that doesn't make it less illegal, and the whole martyr complex when he didn't face the punishment rubs me the wrong way. 2/2
JasonD
If the last quote were not an exaggeration, then wouldn't he have leaked all the dirt they had on himself (or anyone) to prove it?
lifeisaburrito
Snowden by nature is passive agressive. If it didn't mean signing your own deathsentence, he would have sued NSA and gov. w/ info he had.
yesyoucancancan
Not being killed is passive aggressive?
IveBeenSlackingMyWholeLife
That's not what passive aggressive means
lifeisaburrito
His approach was passive aggressive, vs active aggressive, is what I meant.
IveBeenSlackingMyWholeLife
NO IT WASN'T. Jesus. Look up the definition of the term.
lifeisaburrito
Ok mom.
BrownskinOriental
I hope Snowden is enjoying his freedom in mother Russia. People forgot he released classified intel to wiki. Hillary was just stupid.
Fexcad
He released classified info as a whistle blower. The dude's a hero.
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LastoftheLillyCreatures
almost like the classification of "good" and "bad" isn't that easy in reality...
MainDeflectorDish
You're thinking of a completely different person, Julian Assange. Do a little reading next time.
MainDeflectorDish
Well, Assange runs Wikileaks, he got info from various sources. None from Snowden though.
7HIris
He isn't wikileaks, he didn't leak to them, he used reputable journalists, and was the whistle on domestic and international surveillance
Counterfit
Yeah, anybody who was surprised that the NSA spies on other countries was naive.
KarlderMarder
There's still a difference from believing to knowing
MrJitterfingers
the end result is the same though, russians hacked hillary's email server, and all of those emails can be found online.
Bombarder89
I hate ehen idiots hear sonething and then act like experts on the subject. Wikileaks and snowden have nothing to do with each other.
DoctorDelta
Let's praise the man who compromised government security in the first place.
Evanrudeplz
I remember my first election...
BooksandBiceps
Oh look, the savior complex traitor who release hundreds of gigabytes on FOREIGN intelligence operations and techniques.
Atzadio
I have only one problem with last one "they" who? Who specifically is they? Passive voice is bullshit. Name a corp a person or a faction
Youtro
He was referring to the NSA
Atzadio
so does that make the NSA the most powerful agency in the Country?
Youtro
Exactly what Snowden's trying to prove I guess
wrathbaby
Are you kidding? The only bullshit here is how lazy you are. Not even a moral judgement about the issue-your point is 100% moot.
wrathbaby
It's a quote from an interview with a journalist.
Atzadio
gotcha I just wish some individual names of specific people could come out so that everyone can put an actual face to these shadow people
Atzadio
you don't really get enough characters to write a whole treatise do you. In a nutshell I'm 100% against spying on the public
TraitorousTrump3
Seriously? He's in Russia because the US Gov't wants him dead.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
If they wanted him dead, he'd be dead. Right now, his 15 minutes are up, and he's just trying to capitalize
Zombraina
I dunno about capitalizing, but you're right about him being dead if they wanted him dead. He just doesn't want to get an unfair trial.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
The only issue in his trial would be sentencing, which would most likely be relatively fair. It's pretty blatant he's guilty.
TraitorousTrump3
Actually, it's clear that he's innocent. Revealing secrets showing others are in violation of the law is a legal defense.
Atzadio
The U.S. Government is huge, not everyone affiliated with it believes he should be living in exile. Might be a specific group responsible
DerickZellar
I don't know if I'd say dead. I believe he would be put on trial. Would it be fair and public no. Or they would hold him forever at gitmo
whatisthiswholethingaboutlollol
I mean the chances they would try and punish him for treason is HIGH, and treason is punishable by death...
DerickZellar
Treason hasn't been used a lot in us history. It is possible and I'm not saying it won't happen in just saying they arent actively trying
MotleyMaven
The first quote bothers me, because I don't think those two are equivalent. Free speech is something intended to be shared publicly, while 1
cang559
Well if you're saying you have nothing to hide them you should question how much you are willing to share
MotleyMaven
the exact opposite is true with regard to private. The purpose of speech is being shared while privacy defines its purpose in being kept 2
Gorapora
Do.. do you not understand how analogies work? "gravity don't come from rubber trees! not rubber sheet durrr"
MotleyMaven
to oneself. Anyone think differently? I don't mean to sound aggressive or to offend anyone, just offering an opinion on a topic to discuss
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
I think he was just illustrating that both are nice to possess regardless of their use. I think it's pretty gross that every text I send,
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
7) chiseled at. -- For funsies, google "orwell quote" and click "images".
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
6) for unscrupulous means. And they're the same in the sense that we've been completely deprived of one, while the other is being steadily
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
5) many ways. Where they're the same is that they're very basic rights. People deserve both, even if a small percentage of people use them
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
4) it's a far more ingrained right for people. --- Getting back to your original observation, speech and privacy are obviously different in
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
3) government. It doesn't directly affect me, so there's no outrage, just annoyance. (Mostly) free speech, imo, is only still around because
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) every search I perform on google, actually every keystroke on chrome regardless of whether or not it's entered, is logged by our
richierich11
People want to compare what he did to HC, & I am not HC sympathizer, but in the eyes of US law what they did is completely different.
WindowsNewTechnology
Just saying, read the comments of: StroneDog>CollMaggie>StroneDog>Dingus for the best joke ever.
iGoAwayButWeAreTwoOfSoul
What he did is undeniably not comparable to Clinton's fiasco.
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CollMaggie
Hillary Clinton
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Dingus2
No, Lewinsky does the blowing for her.
WindowsNewTechnology
This is absolute gold.
heynongman4pres
In the eyes of anyone who isn't a blind partisan hack they're 100% different. Imgur is surprisingly conservative I have to say.
Basher626
No I'm (was) a Bernie supporter and I agree with him. I was also against him doing what he did though, FTR. Doesn't take away from his point
heynongman4pres
Nah, using a private email and fucking up 100 emails out of 30k is not similar to intentionally disclosing thousands of files of class. info
Basher626
Did I say that? Or did I say that just because its not as bad in comparison doesn't mean its not still breaking the law? pretty sure the 2nd
ShamelessSeamus
I think that's his exact point. They shouldn't be. He did what was right.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Leaking government secrets because you think a legal intelligence program shouldn't be is not something we should encourage.
cavymeister
"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." -Thomas Jefferson
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
And in the eyes of morality, what he did was a great thing, and what she did was despicable.
richierich11
Whose morality? He took it in his own hands and possibly endangered lives of Americans. And despicable!? Seriously?
richierich11
Despicable: deserving hatred and contempt.
richierich11
Not sure what she did was despicable. Let's call a spade a spade. You don't like her. And will grasp on anything to fuel that hate.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
You have no idea what either of them actually did, do you?
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
That is not at all what he did. I think you're thinking of Chelsea Manning.
richierich11
No he took state secrets and inappropriately put them out to the public. Possibly handcuffing US investigations.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) by their government, ehhh... anyone criminal who's worth the NSA's attention already suspected this and didn't use cell phones.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
If by "handcuffing investigations" you mean "let every law-abiding citizen know that every keystroke they type on the internet is recorded
mirrorz
You are literally to stupid to operate your email so you are cleared to run the country.
imakushylilbish
Thats so bad ass, you corrected someones grammar. He's not writing a fucking book report you tard.
dhaskjdhawyajhdbsdbgwakjhbdnmcckclkklkl
"You are literally so powerful the head of the FBI is too scared to cross you, so you are cleared to run the country" FTFY
hoffbox
"I'll clean up ISIS with a washcloth."
NoOpinionsAllowed
Yeah, seems logical.
GoneBerserk
Love the Username
Mmmmmk
Because you're too stupid to stand up to them.
Dungeoneer
The American Way...
TheThingNoNotThatOne
You have to remember - Comey is a Bush-era Republican. He'd let Bill fuck him in the assif it meant he could drag a Clinton through the mud
UrCompanionCube
Are you saying Comey lied and slanted his investigation for political reasons?
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Exaggerated and no different than claiming he slanted his investigation in Clinton's favor for political/monetary reasons
ElectroDragonfly
Can we do the thing where we start the election over with all new candidates? I don't think we can get any worse.
mirrorz
I'm all in favor of handing the reigns over to Canada until we find better candidates.
JasperSirGalahad
Bullshit, if she knew enough about email to get her own server she knows how to use email. He's backtracking to try to cover his ass.
51CorgisInABar
He's not covering his ass, you made his point for him
Counterfit
She didn't set up the server herself, she hired somebody.
LizardEnterprises
To be fair, the vast majority of our elected representatives are too stupid to operate email. See: Series of tubes.
ginevra
See, now, I always thought that was a good layman's analogy... Yes, inaccurate, but not a bad way to describe it to someone who doesn't know
LizardEnterprises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes
LizardEnterprises
The metaphor wasnt the issue, the entire speech was. Go read it, and tell me if you think he's qualified to vote on net neutrality.
ginevra
Oh, GODS no. I never, ever thought that. :) Just that the analogy wasn't that bad. The speech was a pile of poo and deserves derision.
Sandyundertones
Do you know anything about our politic system or have ever meet an elected politician? Grow up...
mirrorz
It's a joke man. Take your blood pressure pill and go back to bed.
StrawberryPrincess92
Most presidents send a total of like 4 emails during their term. most messages to the president are handled by aides, phones, and paper
Zeinox
That's not the point. Emails aren't exactly the most sophisticated of tech. If she can't figure something like that out what makes you 1/2
Zeinox
think she has the critical thinking skills necessary for presidency where she will encounter new and far more complicated issues 2/2
Sandyundertones
Have you ever seen a classified email? Because I'm guessing that you have no idea what you are talking about.
ginevra
Agreed. Also, using email is way, way, WAY easier than running an email server. You expect your server admin to know what they're doing 1/2
Zeinox
I dont think that excuses the fact she will likely encounter similar/greater measures as president,so your point is moot,condescending as is
MorganFreemanIsGod
But that makes it ok?
StrawberryPrincess92
If you judge a fish by its ability to climb trees you will deduce that the fish is a moron
IFUCKEVERYTHING
Fuck that useless fish
Zeinox
You would. According to your username anyway.
K9delta
The problem is not that she was unable to do it, the problem is that what she did was illegal. .-.
heavybtakingowa
If you cannot trust a person on small issues, you cannot trust them on large ones.
WestHead
Said fish is running for president.
StrawberryPrincess92
and how often do presidents need to climb trees or send emails? rarely if ever.
Zeinox
So are we judging its ability to run then? If so it's still not very good.
StrawberryPrincess92
Snowden put out a music video lately, I think russia is turning him insane.
suretoast
No, he always was.
tangybreath
That was literally just 4 minutes of techno beats with a clip of Edward Snowden talking in the middle from a previous speech.
StrawberryPrincess92
the source I originally found the song from said snowden had teamed up with jean-michel jarre
MrJitterfingers
jean-michel jarre, oh boy I haven't heard of that one in awhile, I got vinyl of his on my shelf - oxygen if I remember right.
ChampionofChallengePissing
I don't actually know how much he was involved with it, it seems like the musician (Jean-Michel Jarre) just used clips of Snowden's voice.
ino84
Jean-Michel Jarre is a legend though (I have no idea about that snowden video, just in general)
StrawberryPrincess92
the source I originally found the song from said snowden had teamed up with jean-michel jarre
ChampionofChallengePissing
Oh, damn. Yeah, Russia's turned him crazy. It's essentially edgy Darude meets edgy Snowden. The music video is mildly cringy.
FireatWill
Somewhat reinforces my suspicion that hes an attention whore
suretoast
If you're not from Ars, you should be.
Swiftlord
what?
terraforman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNESMafb5ZI
StrawberryPrincess92
I don't know what part of that you don't understand. Snowden put out a music video and I think russia is turning him insane.
HaveYouSeenMyLSD
HE DID WHT?AT
StrawberryPrincess92
HE PUT OUT A MUSIC VIDEO. how many times do I have to say it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNESMafb5ZI
IGotBannedForTheGIF
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emiliopostevez
Ok so. He did what!?!
Koztah
Famous electro pioneer Jean-Michel Jarre collaborated on a song with Edward Snowden. Not quite the same thing as Rebecca Black's Friday.
HaveYouSeenMyLSD
You might have some anger issues dood
Swiftlord
holy shit, this thread blew up while I was away!
ThereAreTwoKindsOfPeopleThoseWhoNeedClosure
You could have just posted the link the first time...
0verand0ver
Fucking finally! I don't wanna look around the internet for a jam sesh with exiled glasses dude. Bring it to me dammit!
PixelatedDerpFace
I'M NOT A WIZARD I'M JUST HARRY!!!!
hamglob
HE SAID HE'S SELLING CHOCOLATE.
grim5000
I REMEMBER WHEN THEY INVENTED CHOCOLATE!
AmIAVolcanologistYet
CHOCOLATE????