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Business are closing early because they afraid that Ben Shapiro in UC BERKELEY speech will make riots from the people who supposedly are pro free speech..??!! how did we come to that?
donaldtrumphates9000
You are all full of shit.
BearRaid
Some people are dicks and will cause shit for any reason.
secretoaster
People have no jobs, and thinks they're entitled to "free speech," and "peaceful protest." It's not free, and usually it's not peaceful.
PeterMus
Freedom from opposition and consequence is not guaranteed by freedom of speech. Try looking into the nuances of what you're talking about.
Fahargo
Rioting is not a valid consequence to speech. No body is arguing against the idiots who sit outside the lecture peacefully protesting 1/2
Fahargo
You have absolutely zero right to stop people from listening to someone you don't like.
ErrantPursuits
Blatant attempt to instigate is blatant.
IAmAngry
You are right - we should ignore it and not discuss it , just keep doing our BE-E-E and ME-E-E and "Like" kittens
ErrantPursuits
Raising an issue to discuss it is different than instigating an argument.
dhulqarnayn
Have you been living under a rock? People have been using Berkeley as a stage for IRL political shitposting ever since the election
squirrellbot
Berkeley and Portland, problem is only like 100 people show up in support of him and thousands show up to denounce them, instead of ignoring
IAmAngry
I was under impression that free speech is one of America basic values.. probably i was wrong
Hoojamufasijer
I feel like ultimately you're just attempting to push a thinly veiled narrative here.
gnargnar99
The president likes to call free speech "fake news"
squirrellbot
It's a right, one the government has begun to limit with designated "free speech areas" but both sides have the right to their free speech.
ThisIsFrigglish
Not at Berkeley.
PresidentDonaldJTrump
Except a university cancelling your speech isn't about free speech, a government censoring you id
IAmAngry
Berkeley is offering counseling to ppl got offended by Ben. Are those the future engineers/scientist ? can't handle opposite opinion . damn
dhulqarnayn
Well 1.) Gov't isn't infringing so it's not a 1st Amendment issue 2.) free speech still exists and rioting is totally illegal
ThisIsFrigglish
The First Amendment protects the existing moral right of free speech from government interference, it doesn't create it.
justherefortheshitposting
The 1st specifically deals with interactions between the government and citizens. Free speech does not solely exist in that context.
WorldsSmallestMegaDick
It amazes me how many people think the concept of free speech is limited by the first amendment.
Fahargo
Actually it's a public university so if they were to lets say just ban Ben Shapiro with a valid reason they would then get sued and lose 1/2
Fahargo
because it would be breaking the first amendment. This is from the administrators mouths not just mine. Starting at 6 minutes 2/3
Fahargo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4608&v=_QVcYpuLrXg
Jayboricua619
what does closing a business have to do with free speech.?
stopthesquirrel
There was concern that antifa would cause riots because they wrongfully think Ben Shapiro is a neonazi (he actually gets death threats from
stopthesquirrel
2. actual neonazis quite often because he constantly calls them out for the shitbags that they are)
CFeels
Businesses are worried of escalation from protest to riot like in a previous event. Safer to be away from a mob regardless of views.
Jayboricua619
you can replace things, not life.
32453friend
Rioters will destroy everything around them, in response to Ben's speech, because they don't want him to present opposite opinion
Jayboricua619
but still them closing the store is not stopping him from expressing his 1st amendment right not the protesters rights ad well.
Jayboricua619
he's just protecting his customers. he's got insurance to replace things, you can't replace a life.
QuackyMcDuckfuss
No, and that's not why.
Fahargo
So who gonna cause the damage and why then?
stopthesquirrel
Yes that's exactly why. Berkeley almost cancelled his speech because they were worried about Antifa being shit heads
Fahargo
You can't pretend the only group that's caused 100k damage to shops and the school isn't Antifa
QuackyMcDuckfuss
And you can't pretend that all who do shit are antifa (mam description). If I want to discredit any movement all I have to do is get a
QuackyMcDuckfuss
group together to smash windows at every single protest, and now they can be condemned?
QuackyMcDuckfuss
You said "rioters will destroy everything around them". Even in an actual riot that's not true.
QuackyMcDuckfuss
I'm sorry, you didn't say what I quoted, the person I was responding to did.