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https://kotaku.com/discord-palantir-peter-thiel-persona-age-verification-2000668951
Because of the controversies around Palantir, Discord is switching to Persona for their "Age verification experiment."
As pointed out by @DJevelen, Persona is also linked to Peter Thiel, who is their primary investor.
Discord already had a data breach, and lost over 70,000 user's personal data back in 2025.
Discord has already lied to us three time minimum.
#1 They said they will keep our data, which is being handed over to 3rd party.
#2 They said they would delete the data once age has been verified, the former companies are both known to never deleting data.
Now they are claiming it will only be held for "Seven Days."
#3 They said they don't monitor private servers and chats, yet now they say they are using AI to read your private servers and chats to determine your age.
This is about data, control, and money above all else.
Removing another layer of anonymity from the internet. Infringing on our rights, the freedom of speech, and the ability speak out against the actions of our and other governments.
Bystandr
Yeah Persona has some of the same problems, too.
BreakfastWithCountChocula
Already deleted my account.
Goronhead
Because of the controversies around Palantir, Discord is switching to a slightly different shade of Palantir.
Iftheyredeadtheyrejusthookers
everything client side made no sense from the start. they were def wanting to gather face data from the start
StellarJay77
So lets pretend we're a child molester for a second. Targeting ignorant and less than tech savvy individuals how easy do you think it would be to spoof an age verification check to be able to aquire detailed information about a potential victim? Our governments are so fucking stupid.
modis
Do you want to tank your company? Because this is how you tank your company.
CallMeMcGyver
Like that's going to mean anything. They'll either do it again after a short "forgetting period" or just change their minds and belatedly do it. Either way they are going to do what they want to do whether anyone likes it or not.
Clockworkdancerobot
"we'll try again with another less obvious company."
thundercactus
"We need to name it something less obvious this time, like Sky-Net, Lex-Corp, or ZORG"
Grimlinnan
Fuck off Discord.
PeebRow
I deleted the app ages ago but I don't know if that deleted my account, how do I check? Is there a way to do so (website?) without having to download the app?
Imadethisaccounttopost
Discord.com still allows you to log in...
You have to personally delete your account.
whereismymind86
Yeah you can access them through the website without the app
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Damage is done, seeya.
Marikhen
Wow... Oh well, I already deleted my server and account. Then when I tried explaining why I got tricked into creating a support account, and when I tried deleting that too, through their own official process, "for legal reasons, we are unable to delete your support account or support tickets at this time." They have an official process for deleting support accounts and then say they can't delete support accounts. /facepalm
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
I only use shitcord for interacting with support peoples or asking for support for a game so I can live without it 100%.
Clockworkdancerobot
Sometimes the smaller ones you can ask the devs about bugs and they fix stuff.
DrewThe3DPrinterGuy
Oh yeah some of the smaller devs steam community forums are really great places to be with actual moderation and developers responding to posts.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
> #3 They said they don't monitor private servers and chats, yet now they say they are using AI to read your private servers and chats to determine your age.
[Citation needed]
Imadethisaccounttopost
While I thank you for the post from their faq, they also said they delete the data once verified, will be the only company handling it, and etc.
So I trust them as far as I can throw them.
As for my source not much better, but from various videos discussion the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-i2T-vO0M
Rangar
The only thing Discord is sorry about is that they got outed.
defensivebackhair
This. They'll get right back at it when the heat dies off.
StellarJay77
None of this protects kids at all. Predators are not finding kids in adult only spaces on Discord. Fucking regulators have either lost the plot or have alterior motives in collecting user data (or both). At this point any policy that espouses to protect children is lying about its intentions. It isn't nor should it ever be the job of servixe providers or policy makers to educate, monitor, and manage people's children online. If parents (or guardians) amd educators were given proper training >
StellarJay77
> and resources, which includes better wages, this would cease to be an issue overnight. Child molesters exploit ignorance and not being tech savvy to gain access to their victims and no amount of filtering or verification is going to prevent that. In fact it could make it easier as a tech savvy predator could spoof age verification systems to get detailed identity information for a minor.
idiotsonfire
Its not about kids, its about controlling the subversive elements.
herejusttopointouterrors
can't wait to see all the "that sucks! but still staying because it's too inconvenient for me, so no action will be taken on my part. but gosh, I'm with you, that sucks!"
mikeatike
Don't trust them for a second on that "7 days" claim. Once you give it yo them, its now theirs to monetize. Or just straight give to Theil's nazis
Imadethisaccounttopost
Exactly what I've been saying!
There have been a couple posts of people using the Discord FAQ to disprove my distrust... no, I don't trust anything they say.
lildude52ca
Holy fuck am i having a stroke? why can't i read this. does it not make sense to anyone else or just me?
djevelen
yeah, so Persona is ALSO linked to Peter Thiel, so... theres that as well.
Imadethisaccounttopost
Added you to the info
backrideup9
My 1st thought was Palantir is just going to get the data from Persona. Seems that will be easier and cheaper than I thought.
karcain
so, a distinction without a difference. either way all our data is going into the panopticon
landbaronness42
Peter Thiel the pedophile?
zw0lf99
Peter "the pedophile" Thiel?
djevelen
one in the same!
Imadethisaccounttopost
Thank you!
djevelen
like that one isnt even very well hidden, sure information might not go right to palantir, but will end up there eventually
Mirrormancer
Palantir must go.
Imadethisaccounttopost
and from there, to the highest bidder!
djevelen
which is the CIA
SuperfluousMeh
I miss pornhub. Not for the obvious of course but because they cared enough to completely cut off the state of florida instead of trying this. Godspeed You magnificent freaks.
happyhappyist
They've blocked more than 30% of the US because of similar draconian laws. Still works in Ohio because those idiots left interactivity loophole clauses in it (essentially defanging the law for sites including comment sections - which Pornhub has done for more than a decade, perhaps always). Super funny to hear Ohio GOP reps fume that "only 1 of the top 5 adult sites is following the intent of the law," whereas they are all following the letter of the chickenshit law.
StellarJay77
The thing that gets me is people thinking these laws actually protect children. Predators aren't finding victims on adult only websites and if parents are doing at least a decent job of raising their kids they aren't being exposed to these sites either. It's all a fucking red herring disguising a mass data gathering attempt in the grand fascist and making piles of money agendas.
billstranger
If they cared about children we would have 3 million more epstein files, and criminal convictions of dozens of powerful men, not age verification on Discord leaking personal data to dozens of powerful men.
spream
deleted my acct, fuck that shit
IAmDuckHammer
"I'll be starting a new site. With blackjack and hookers!" - Bender
Yotarian
What are you using instead?
subject6661
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irespectfullycourtyermam
Hope your IPO taaaaaanks guyz-
UserNamesArentEasy
That's what they are hoping for actually. They want it to tank and then buy it up cheap. I'm probably going to buy a few at open and then dump them when they double in 4-6month.
All that aside I might be trying tout Team speak 6 or other items for me and my homies.
BlightShaman
They say they will only be keeping data for 7 days, don't give in to this. Once you send them anything it is out there and you have no idea where that data is going or what they are doing with it. Only safe thing to do now is move on from discord..
barbarian818
It won't. This is the sort of thing Big Money loves. Look at Facebook's IPO. Look at how the stock performed during the Cambridge Analytica and Beacon scandals. Look at how much money is being dumped into AI despite it violating IP rights in wholesale quantities.
Gamer4125
Hope it tanks from loads of people unsubbing their nitro
NightOwlRally
And may their IPAs be overly bitter and watered down.
Hypothesist
people who like IPAs probably dont mind bitter beer. Only saying cause i like bitter hoppy beer
boxbackknitties
And their ICP’s tattoo free with sensible haircuts and selling insurance door to door.
cousteau
And their APIs buggy and unreliable.
Oh wait, they already are.
dudbdjf
That’s just normal for IPAs.
boxbackknitties
I don’t use discord, but if I did, that shit would be history. Dump that shit. And if imgur ever pulls some shit like this, they can fuck right off too, then I’ll have absolutely zero social media accnts.
ongabonga
Imgur is selling your every login and data to Meta and several other threats. Confirmed and posted about it several times in the past with plenty of evidence.
Yotarian
What voice service do you use?
MissPhoenix56
Unfortunately for everyone I know, it’s our primary and sometimes exclusive form of communication with each other. Deleting my discord would mean losing contact with some friends I care for deeply.
EchoPMIM
Then convince them to go somewhere else with you...? It's not like there aren't alternatives. Even oldschool IRC works just fine if you mostly just chat with people.
VanisherX
Imgur already removed all NSFW they used to host, unilaterally. They do that because they bend over to payment processors, just like Discord and most other companies on the planet. They're not any better.
lightfoot2
Imgur took a stand and blocked the UK over crap like this. I respect Imgur's mods and execs for that (gotta tell them when they do something RIGHT for a change)
boxbackknitties
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
I don't think they took a stand so much as they decided they'd lose less money that way
PJamz
For those interested, fluxer.app is a beta platform very much with the same visual as Discord. With these news from Discord, Fluxer is having a major influx if signups but it's seriously promising.
Harbltron
Slack is an established alternative too, it's mostly used for business and education
PJamz
I used to have Slack before Discord and abandoned it due to lack of features and customization.
StellarJay77
See the problem here is the fragmentation. Are there plans for any sort of interconnect between alternatives? I doubt it. So it doesn't make any sense to leave now until the definitive replacement is established (if there ends up being one). Reminder: these services need to be financially viable. The Amazon method of undercutting long enough to starve out competition won't fly here. So alternatives will be subscription based or advertiser run.
Wolfshead009
Thank you. I have several Discord channels and am looking for alternatives.
PJamz
This one is basically a mirror of Discord's layout. It only has one developer at the moment so, gotta give the guy props for what he's doing.
DreamPhreak
He said on bluesky that because he sold so many of the Visionary packages (the $300 lifetime thing), he's now looking into scaling up his infrastructure and even possibly hiring people. So it looks very promising so far. Its features are also far beyond what Stoat currently has.
PJamz
Exactly!
mikeatike
Fluxer is having an influx, I see what you did there.
PJamz
RIGHT?! you're welcome!
usingYourMomAsAHat
https://matrix.org/ is also a solid, and established solution (also selfhostble)
PJamz
bet! thank you for this!
defensivebackhair
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khety1890
Thiel is a primary investor in these things because he wants technocratic fascism, which he conflates with freedom, since he thinks that'll stop the antichrist. The only reason he's not hospitalised for something akin to paranoid psychosis is that he's rich.
ignotoCiResto
"The poor are crazy, the rich just eccentric. - James Shin Hoo”
Ircy
Any christian that think they can stop (or speed the coming of) the antichrist (a figure foretold by their god) shows how mentally unstable they are. Now I don't believe in their god but anyone who does believe and thinks they can force his hand should have their money and power stripped away and locked in an old timey asylum.
Imadethisaccounttopost
He helped the Antichrist, Trump literally fits all the conditions.
Ircy
The hard thing about switching is knowing what to switch to. Similar problem as with twitter. Plus what people tend to choose is so random, you can't go by which one is mechanically the best. Sure you can move to XYZ platform, you can try to get your friends over, but if it's not the one most people are on you now have a problem.
whereismymind86
Ehh, with twitter I didn’t switch at all, I deleted my account and moved on with my life. Discord will probably be the same.
StellarJay77
Then don't switch until the definitive alternative is established.
EchoPMIM
Do people actually use Discord just for the sake of Discord, though? I thought it was usually a matter of wanting to connect with specific people about a specific topic and whatever it is choosing Discord for their main community hub. If these, like, indie game studios and content creators and whatever else start going "yeah, our Official Community is now here instead of Discord" then I'd expect people to pack up and leave.
Gamer4125
You're still gonna lose a percentage of people because they're unwilling or unwitting to use the other service
Ircy
Personally 99% of my disord use is to talk to friends I know irl. 1% it's other communities, occasionally. But I'm not sure how typical I am. :)
Problem happens if community X says "we're going to matrix" and community Y says "we're going to fluxer". Now people need 2 accounts. Even worse if you and friends all decided to move to some 3rd option. :D
Rhythmaster
Thats just how it is these days though. To communicate with my band members we've switched through 3 different messaging apps and I have to do 3 different social media apps to hear about different events in my local music scene. If anything, I think there should be even more competitors sowe can punish these shitty big players when they get too evil, and migrate to a competitor
EchoPMIM
Then just... have two accounts? This isn't Twitter where there's some common environment that everyone shares, these are generally self-contained communities. I'm not seeing the problem here. Especially since if these are all open-source platforms with the same general functionality someone will inevitably make a third-party client that sacrifies a few features in order to connect with multiple services.
StellarJay77
You're missing a few key factors. Any alternative needs to be financially viable. People seem to forget that online services cost money to run. None of our shit is "free". We just collectively decided that we don't want to directly pay for it ourselves. So thats why news is all controversy and overdramaticised, it's why every second click online serves us up an ad, and it's why social media is a cess pool of misinformation and AI slop. Do you want to pay for 2 accounts? Do you want ads?
EchoPMIM
A text chat service is incredibly inexpensive to operate. Back in the pre-enshittification days, when everyone used IRC, it was free because any rando with a stable job could run a server as a hobby if they felt like it. If you look at something like Discord, the costs of running the service itself are approximately 0% of the company's budget. If you eliminate all the useless corporate bloat it's not hard to make something like that financially viable.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Listen people.. You all need to embrace FOSS software and leave this capitalistic hellscape yesterday. Infinite growth isn't a viable business model and its getting increasingly worse every single day
usingYourMomAsAHat
I'll just leave this here btw, which is a good starter for free stuffz https://fmhy.net/, (note; some of those video streaming sites are a bit shady btw eg shady iframes etc). Then if you want to get into selfhosting this is a god place to start : https://selfh.st/apps/
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
You have already failed, unfortunately, the first step in encouraging people to a better service/option: Making it understandable.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Me: "Heeeeey, you're not really explaining good."
Them: "There's lots of understandable FOSS options."
Me: "Okay but like, you still haven't explained. nichfra did."
Them: "Just move on then, this thread isn't for you, the fuck is wrong with you."
Me: "... Are you fucking useless? Yes. Don't tell people to do a thing by obfuscating it all the way, then blame them for not knowing what the fuck you're saying."
usingYourMomAsAHat
There are lots of understandable and literally 1click install FOSS options by now, but you would need a desire to leave big tech, which I guess is the biggest hurdle for ppl. At this point using windows 11 is literally harder to use than many Linux distros for example, atleast for basic usage
elucca
Yeah I think at some point recently Linux took over Windows as my "thing I'd recommend to my mom" OS, both because Linux has improved and because Windows has gotten worse. Random AI buttons, full screen popups that prevent you from using your computer until you agree to give them your files or whatever the fuck with no clear way to get out, and various other deliberately confusing enshittifications. There's more family tech support in navigating this than working with Linux, for casual use.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Yeah same, I finally managed to convert my mom to ZorinOS which so far has been going great. Almost 1/2 year into it by now and no issues, and she almost doesn't even know what a browser is lol
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
You also failed.
Geezus. Look at that nichfra said in reply to you. That's how you do it.
Fucking hell, just a wall of communication-issue. Convey better, dude, fuck me.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Then this thread obviously isn't for you. Move on then, tf is wrong with you?
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Bro, just get some PEMBA tools, that'll help.
What the fuck does PEMBA mean? This thread isn't for you.
Dipshit.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
YOU are what's wrong, fuck's sake. I already told you who did it right.
YOU are the problem.
Dipshit.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Just install FOSSARM72.exe.notavirus
No you can't find it on google.
This thread isn't for you, move on, the fuck is wrong with you. (Sarcasm, to mock your idiocy after you doubled down)
nichfra
Using acronyms without explaining what they mean is already not understandable for people not familiar with the topic.
Foss is free and open source software for anyone wondering btw.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Thank you, homie.
Christ, that dude is never gonna convert people..
usingYourMomAsAHat
Well, yeah, but the words "open source" and "software" already only makes sense to anyone remotely familiar with software in the first place, so the only additional explanatory/enriching word in that phrasing is "free", which would then have the exact same marketing as bigtech, thus FOSS will sufficiently target its desired audience no?
nichfra
It will not because FOSS doesn't say open source or software. It says OSS
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
So your response is "I suck at communicating and that is other people's problem".
Useless.
DeadeicPrints
Im seriously thinking of deleting my discord over this. But that's where I talk to my patreon creators I follow unfortunately.
hotaru251
i'd get rid of it as well, however discord is (sadly) also used to host github & other project groups for instructions, help, etc.
Magnar1183
I deleted mine a couple days ago. (Although it still takes two fucking weeks for it to actually be nuked!) And I'm now using Stoat (formerly Revolt). It's a bit janky due to it being really new, but the layout is quite similar to Discord, so it makes the switch easier
Imadethisaccounttopost
Same, I'm a streamer..
enderite
I cancelled nitro and an in the process of moving a play by post rpg i run with some friends to another service.
PimpinKen
Don't use it enough to care if its gone. Ill email them if I have to
iktome99
I'm going to miss discord, but a less shitty version will come around
apoliticalpanda
I don't use either but what can discord do that zoom can't? Why did zoom die out
linkdude212
What do you mean? I use zoom all the time at work.
NightOwlRally
Same with my rally server - I remember when Discord was just a convenient, low-impact chat app to be used when gaming with buddies.
Now I have to pay for a subscription just to use certain emojis and shit? Yeah nah, screw that
gorillaClutch
EVERY discord server i'm in is discussing alternatives and where to migrate to if this shit goes through, it might be inevitable, but if they go through with it it will decimate them
SleepyKitten
Until they quietly buy up all the competition. Or at least attempt to buy them out.
whereismymind86
Then I’ll leave that too, discord really doesn’t offer anything I can live without. I can go back to using simpler services for voice chat, and never really cared about the chat room aspect.
SleepyKitten
Agreed. I only have it so that I can message my kids when it's time to stop gaming.
Clockworkdancerobot
There's discord alternatives people are looking to move to. Some that have end to end encryption.
MisterBoxes
Try element or stoat
LetThemEatPie
I feel like Patreon is uniquely positioned to create an alternative. They have the resources to do it fast and the market penetration to hit critical mass.
Gamer4125
I wouldn't want to use anything made my Patreon, they're pretty draconian
Dimestream
Would you kindly list a couple they've talked about? I may need to move my DnD server.
ProjectDA
im seeing people talk about matrix, but i dont have an experience.
Athanar
Root and Stoat are both being looked at widely, but Root has some similar potential concerns for the future and Stoat, while open-source and privately hostable, is still behind in development (including limited voice capability).
Element is a little more complex but also a possible option.
Firestar002
I think Element X IS Matrix.
MostAwesomeDan
My group of friends is about to set up their own IRC channel(s)
SIDSOS
Yeah, I'm looking in to hosting my own Matrix server
iamgnat
What's old is new!
Channels on another server run the same risks of the provider doing dirty things. Luckily it doesn't take much to run an IRC server. An RPi and a free name service (e.g. NO-IP or similar) will be more than capable for a small group.
ThingsThatDontJustifyGenocide
Put your no-IP name service shit behind a VPN anyway, though. Just to be safe.