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my first memory = dreaming of a carrot on a stick like this one (from the mule's pov)
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*iirc, they're referring here to Hoggish Greedly (Captain Planet) & Murky Dismal (Rainbow Brite)...?
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*brace yourselves for the flagrantly conspiracy-theory-positive portion of the dump*
*which isn't to say corporations aren't also organized criminals
project bluebird -> project artichoke -> mk-ultra
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read david graeber if you haven't yet. [ theanarchistlibrary.org ]
abdullah ocalan also has some good stuff to say
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FeloniousMonk13
'Workers of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains, we have the world to gain!'
Rivalyn
#35 Do I ever hate the phrase "lost productivity". Productivity can only be calculated post facto. You can't lose what never existed in the first place. Whenever someone uses the phrase "lost productivity" what they mean is "missed quotas".
CarlTheVoiceActor
#39 the coffee mug though!
SnakesInBowties
Great dump, @OP!
kaeldra
Eldibs
#9 Pretty sure in the US if you're on-call you have to be paid for that time.
dnew92130
If you're salaried, no. But then if you're salaried, it's assumed you can stick up for yourself.
jzbstl
#8 funny, but inaccurate. I mean, Dems could do better, but they do try to push policies that benefit working class people. My dad used to say “both parties try to steal from you, but Democrats believe you have to have something to steal, first.”
CaptainHyperbole
#47 #10 trips me up every single time! Always has.
Shaodyn
#9 This person actually wrote "voluntary mandatory shift coverage" and didn't see a problem. This is why education is important.
dnew92130
I liked the 12 Monkeys movie. "Bruce Willis, you are ordered to report for volunteer duty."
MegaDeuce
You guys figure out how to do communism without handing absolute power to a single political party. Wake me up when you do.
androgenoide
Communism and capitalism are both extreme positions based on reductionist theories of human behavior.
GriffinMann41
#8 #32 Ah I knew these would be in here. Somewhat less surprising after seeing this is an anarchist dump rather than a useful one though. But sure. Acting as if the party-that-is-flawed is the equal to the wants-to-make-everything-explciitly-worse-and-murder-minorities party is a great strategy.
GriffinMann41
To expand on why I said anarchy wasn't useful: It's never worked. No society past individual towns can possibly, even feasibly work in an anarchic manner. You would be immediately rolled by powers seeking to take your land, resources, or even just by people *from inside* seeking power. They don't work on a fundamental level, and accelerationist bullshit literally only helps those kinds of people.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Have you read about Nestor Makhno’s revolution in Ukraine? It doesn’t disprove your point because the USSR did take it over - but it functioned at scale for a while and is a really interesting chapter of modern history. I recommend looking up his praxis: even if you don’t like anarchism as an ideology, he’s a very impressive and underrepresented figure
plantpr0n
WilhelmSturmer
This may be the best upvote gif ever
Christhewise42
#2 Then His son can write gay vampire fiction.
Alfadorfox
#34 This one I will actually argue about: regardless of economic system, increasing comfort of way of life results from increased energy usage, meaning increased heat output. Rampant corporate exploitation of polluting industry only accelerated the process--the problem of increasing heat output remains. Redirecting a portion of the sunlight to power satellites can simultaneously solve the climate crisis and provide extra energy for people to use... but capitalists WANT energy shortages so they
dnew92130
Anyone who thinks this is even remotely feasible has no idea how numbers work. It's like saying "just plant trees to reduce the CO2!"
Alfadorfox
can charge more for less service.
Groetgaffel
#14 #15 as a Scandinavian, yeah, summer vacation is really nice. You should get on that.
eatpiewithface
#15 didn't we give kids summer break so they could help on their parents farms bringing the harvests in etc? Wasn't summer break just so they could labor originally lol. Or is that an old wives tale
GraveyardWater
It's an old wives tale. You don't harvest in the summer. It was begun by city schools where it was just too hot for learning
eatpiewithface
I'm in Texas and it definitely feels too hot for learning
MoonPieTown
Until we get ranked-choice voting and stop letting corporations legally bribe our lawmakers in both parties (citizens united), I'm always going to be skeptical of who our elected officials are actually serving.
That being said: VOTE, and vote Democrat.
Voting for the lesser of two evils might be annoying AF but many people don't realize how much worse things can get if conservatives keep getting wins.
It can get so...much...worse than what we've been seeing lately.
buckeye27fan11
#8 this one is always BS. It's ALWAYS been the liberals (currently Democrats) that have fought for workers' rights and higher wages, work safety, environmental protections, etc. Not every Dem is lime that, of course, but a good chunk of the party is.
GiantFlyingLabia
#12 love this one
GiantFlyingLabia
As fucking depressing as it is
androgenoide
This is what people like Musk are missing when they complain about populations not growing fast enough. We could have plenty of creativity with fewer people.
GiantFlyingLabia
Musk just wants more people to try to sell Cybertrucks to
androgenoide
They don't even need to be smart.
meowingintensifies
love some mark twain wisdom
Begotten
what are the alternatives exactly, i never hear that part. just the complaints. change what?
dnew92130
My response: "OK, you start."
BrockEffingSamson
#8 Fuck both-sides bullshit, though.
JoeCantrell
How is anarchy supposed to work in the US? There's 300M people here.
How does anarchy help my elderly mom get her heart medication?
dnew92130
Everyone hates capitalism. Nobody has a suggestion as to what's better.
JoeCantrell
That's the problem. Some flavor of democratic socialism seems the most reasonable, but making that change in a place like the US is really tricky. Maybe re-branding it as SUPER-MEGA PATRIOT FREEDOM would help
dnew92130
They tried that in Sweden I think it was? One of those Nordic countries. After 10 years, they democratically voted it out, because it was absolutely tanking the economy. What you need is to figure out how to make things cost what they actually cost. I.e., incorporate pollution into the price of products, reduce pointless government overhead that doesn't improve the quality of products as much as it costs, enforce openness (e.g., the sort of thing nutrition labels do now), and so on.
Neednoggle
#37 one small issue with this argument; business majors very much do reap the rewards of arts and sciences, by commodifiying the talents of others and inserting themselves as middlemen.
MerriMod
AND drastically underpaying them, while always looking for lower bids to pay less and less, even at the cost of overt destruction of the environment and community. Can't forget that part.
aPokal
Similar thought about #2 .
CampbellsChunkyCyst
Frank Zappa tried to warn us about the boomer businessmen of the 80s gaining a stranglehold over the music industry. He had already seen the writing on the wall. It stopped being about supporting what sells and it became all about manufacturing every act from the ground up--from the songs they sung, to the clothes they wore, to the publicity they received--to fit their own tastes, not the audience's taste. It's all gaslighting.
Syovere
Pink Floyd's Welcome to the Machine was in 1975, so it goes further back than that. "What did you dream? It's alright, we told you what to dream!"
rubypilgrim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bZ0OSEViyo&t=8s
kerms
I'm going to hold off my criticisms of the Democrats until after the election where they're up against a military dictatorship.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
#8 holy shit shut up. Go read the 2025 Project. They’re not the same.
OliverOtter
#15 Children weren't given vacations from school, teachers' unions were, for both good and bad. Summer vacation was "it's too expensive to air condition the schools, and most of the kids were needed for work on the family farm during the growing season and wouldn't show up anyway" back when the nation's main employment was agriculture and air conditioning was rare and expensive. The resistance to changing that more recently wasn't from the kids and parents, they wanted the free babysitting.
CaptainHyperbole
#45 Snowden did let us know that the CIA collects out metadata, then proved that agents were using that meta data to find which cameras they could hack to watch women and girls change clothes, peeping Tom-like. And the people who complain most about big government were the same people vilifying him for it. People suck, this is why I don’t leave my apartment.
hairbearbunch66
No, he didn't. The program already had 4-5 whistle-blowers and a public senate hearing. Only people not paying attention were unaware of the program. He provided nothing new. BUT he created a sensational news story and got famous. His story is filled with lies and half-truths. And it was NSA, not CIA.
CaptainHyperbole
Who were these whistle blowers? Where are the documents they leaked?
hairbearbunch66
Russ Tice, Mark Kline, William Binney, Thomas Tamm, and Thomas Drake.
hairbearbunch66
Oh, and my issue isn't with the public finding out about the program. It is Snowden getting credit and lauded for it. Like, he didn't even have to flee. Only one of the 5 pervious ppl ended with a criminal conviction. And it was a misdemeanor charge.
Lovelyidoit
What you're saying may be true but he was a scapegoat. That's why he fled.
CaptainHyperbole
Oh wow you’re right, I’m really surprised because I kind of pride myself with being ontop of this type of thing… at least I was very interested in it a decade ago, i was trying to grab every publication I could find on it, I apologize for not believing you, but I really am surprised that these guys didn’t come up during this period where I was very engaged in learning about this sort of thing. I wouldn’t call it legitimate academic research but I was mindful to be as thorough as I could.
hairbearbunch66
They didn't come up because the story by Glenn was never really about the program. It was about Snowden. An accurate story about the global surveillance program would have had to include all the reporting done about it in 2005.
Shaodyn
#15 It's not uncommon to start working, at least part-time, when you're 16. You retire at 65, if you're lucky. The entirety of your productive years are basically promised to capitalism, and you don't always get much out of it.
dnew92130
The fundamental problem is that there are only two ways to get the resources you need to live and thrive: you can convince someone to give them to you voluntarily, or you can threaten them with harm if they don't give them to you against their will. There are, of course, areas in between, but then you have difference of opinion about which should be which.
Shaodyn
I get that. I'm a big fan of universal basic income. Imagine a world those who work do so because they want to, not because they have to. A world where employers have to entice you to work for them because you get enough money to live on just by being alive.
Is such a world feasible? I don't know enough to say one way or another. But it's a nice dream.
dnew92130
It would definitely be a nice dream. But think about it by taking out the "money" part. You need food, water, shelter, clothes, heat, cooling, etc. You say "Everyone gets enough clothes and food and water, even if they do no work." Well, *someone* is doing the work for that stuff, right? Who is growing the food that the guy who isn't working is eating? How do you make that farmer give the guy food?
Shaodyn
I did say I didn't know enough to even say if it was feasible. I have no idea how it would work.
Shaodyn
Maybe instead of spending over $800 billion a year on the military, we should invest in our own people a little bit.
elowolfe
#8 is such bullshit. Cause yeah, many states raising their minimum wage was done by.... what? Just cause? That, especially on the state level, it is not one specific party raising wages, raising grants for students, or anything like that? While another party is making it illegal to provide help? And it isn't like on a national level is gridlock because there isn't a real majority? Get out of here with that shit. Grow up.
JustASlightJingleOfPocketChangePulsing
Minimum wage can't buy shit
CrimeBrulee
Both sides people aren't dense, they just want justification to be shitty.
kitnnicole9
Nobody is saying that democrats are equivalent to the QGP we have now but they are a spineless ineffective party as we face the greatest threat to our democracy in the existence of our nation. Americans are tired of struggling and it's why they vote for Obama or Biden, yet we are still struggling. This isn't a sudden problem that has escalated over 4 decades even with democrats in power. America is simply not being offered the leadership we need.
damogen
Yeah, you voted for Biden and Obama, but that's not enough. They both had a slim majority in congress for 2 years and was in minority after midterms.
They can't just wave a magic wand and make everything better. They need both a solid majority and time to make real changes.
It's actually pretty fucking amazing what those two managed to get done considering how slim a majority they had and how much crap they had to clean up after the Republicans.
fitgirl1
While the situation of trump and all that he embodies is so bad that the Democrats really don't have to do much to look better in contrast. It's not saying that you shouldn't vote democrat at the election. It's pushing your democrat to do more, to make meaningful changes. They are also in bed with corporations because of how you politics currently work. Without corporation donors they also fail. But its a fine line to tread as rolling back privileges that corporations and politicians currently >
fitgirl1
Enjoy.
elusivekarma
There are many, many hard working, passionate democratic politicians doing their best to improve the lives of the struggling citizens. But there's also plenty of signs that there may be elements, especially in the leadership of the DNC that care more about looking like they are fighting against the Republicans than they do in fixing the problems in capitalism and its no coincidence that those people are also the rich who benefit from the same broken system.
elusivekarma
This is why Bernie never became the general presidential candidate. This is why we've never tackled corporate lobbying. It's why congress is still allowed to do insider trading. There's something broken in the leadership and I'm betting the root is greed.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
Bernie joined the DNC to run for President. Hillary had been carrying their banner for decades. If you were a DNC member and it was the primaries, which one would you vote for?
elusivekarma
Fuck loyalty. Vote based on policies and talent. Focusing on loyalty is exactly the kind of thing that keeps us from moving forward.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
Yes, they voted based on policies and talent. And the DNC liked her policies and talent more. That is my entire point.
chrisjohnson76
One party forgives student loans, the other party quickly reverses that
MoonPieTown
Until we get ranked-choice voting and stop letting corporations legally bribe our lawmakers in both parties (citizens united), I'm always going to be skeptical of who our elected officials are actually serving.
That being said: VOTE, and vote Democrat.
Voting for the lesser of two evils might be annoying AF but many people don't realize how much worse things can get if conservatives keep getting wins.
It can get so...much...worse than what we've been seeing lately.
dnew92130
The President is not a dictator. Nor is he in charge of the budget. If you want to pay off student loans with tax money, get the congress to vote on that. Welcome to our constitutional republic.
Daarst
Debt forgiveness =\= paying off debt
dnew92130
It is if you already spent the money. If I borrow $10K from you, and then I spend it, and then Sam says you don't have to pay it back, where'd that $10K come from? Came from Sam, didn't it? That's why universities loved the loans: they were guaranteed (i.e., cosigned) by Uncle Sam.
Daarst
Your analogy is off. You don't borrow the money from the schools. It's more like:
You ask Sam if you xan borrow $10k to go to school and they give it to you. Then ten years later Sam decides they're good and says you don't owe them anything. It's not like Sam has to take money they would have spent elsewhere to compensate for the forgiven debt.
elowolfe
"But the Dems aren't sinless..." fuck you. I'm not going to water down an argument because apparently Dems ha e to be fucking saints in order to really contrast to what Republicans are doing right now. One political party is actively trying to help people, and the other party is actively trying to hurt people. If you think Dems and Repubs are the same side of a coin and nothing will change if either is in real control, you're fucking stupid. There, I said it.
nemesisx00
*looks around at all the problems that either haven't changed or have gotten worse over the course of several decades of the two parties trading power back and forth. Points at the Democrats in 2024 using the Republicans' 2016 & 2020 position on immigration as though it was their own and at all a good or real thing to be saying... Gestures toward the only difference between them when it comes to israel committing genocide is that the republicans want to accelerate it...*
dnew92130
The only reason to vote Republican is Democrats.
BrockEffingSamson
It is, of course, a lie that that is the only difference between them on Israel.
InternetAnonymityplz
You're right. The real issue is that democrats aren't interested in helping and Republicans are interested in actively harming. They are clearly the worse party, they aren't the same and it's not close. Still doesn't feel particularly great to vote for Status Quo Biden over Orange Hitler though.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
I got married in 2015 thanks to Biden. His coming out in support of gay marriage in 2012 is what led to the Obergefell decision. And I know people alive today thanks to the ACA. They actually do improve things when they're not being obstructed by Republicans or moronic both sides clowns.
InternetAnonymityplz
You know what, this is fair; democrats are doing good work for social change and that IS important. I'm frustrated with late stage capitalism and a cripplingly limited two party system and democrats aren't looking to address those issues, and since those are paramount to me it feels bad. But there is still progress being made by democrats in other areas that shouldn't be dismissed.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
Oh, so am I, believe me. But if we lose sight of the good things we lose hope. There's still good in the world, and there's still hope. And many Dems are looking to address those issues, as are some Republicans.
BrockEffingSamson
Also a stupid lie.
phalanxausage
Exactly!!!! Thank you for saying it, and saying it well.
TechIsForEveryone
A good argument; if there is no difference, then vote Democrat. May as well. No difference. See you at the landslide.
anarchoFeline
so is your solution to give all the power to just the party you support and eliminate the other one?
RatKingCerf
Where in any of what they wrote is that even close to what they said? Voting is a bus ride not an Uber, you vote to get closer to what you want. Republicans have 0 interest in what the people want and only give a shit about what the wealthy want. If they die out due to people realizing that, it's entirely on them
anarchoFeline
just because Republicans don't care doesn't mean that the dems do. the time for incremental change was 20 years ago. every year that goes by the changes needed become more and more radical. and yes if you're thinking is that in order to fix things that only one party can have power for the foreseeable future that is a single party system. if you believe anyone who voted for the other guys is bad then yeah you believe in a single party system because you think only your party should have power
RatKingCerf
Would you rather have a party that's actively reversing any progress made these past few decades or a party that can lead to radical change. Nobody wants a single party system, but the other party is actively threatening multiple people's existence. It isn't a desire to only have dems in power, it's a desire for any positive change. In order to have that, we can't enable Republicans. It's not that complex