Trump goons broke into a locked auto body shop in Utah to search for undocumented workers.When told they had no warrant, the response was: “We don’t need one.”ICE is out of control.
Where? I only see masked robbers. And it sounds like none of them have provided any sort of evidence that they belong to any branch of law enforcement.
There’s nothing stopping anyone from dressing as an ICE agent and breaking into wherever they please. If they don’t identify themselves with a judicial warrant, don’t let them do anything.
I'm glad I don't live in the US, I would already have gone against my lifelong choice to never have a gun, and I would probably have used it in a situation like this.
This; without identifying or a legal right(a signed judicial warrant)/authority) and being armed, it is a violent aggravated breaking and entering. Shoot them.
Yeah it's not that simple. They been systematically stacking the systems in their favor for decades. Gerrymandering and local elections leading to judges being placed leading to majorities all the way up the chain. This is just the culmination of 40 odd years of work.
Well this is a lot bigger and scarier than someone going "yea I'll do what I want", this is a cult-like organisation that's effectively infiltrated a large percentage of media, judges, government, senators, governors, law-enforcement and more. And all of it is led by the ultra rich most likely. Trump I believe is nothing but a puppet
You will die, but you'll sure make it to the news. And they will successfully frame you as a terrorist. Maybe you will win the legal issue posthumously. They won't wait for that.
Unless you know the neighborhood starts speaking Vietnamese, you should only start a firefight with those it if you have the wish to become a martyr. You are not in a position where you can escalate and hope to come out the other end. You're isolated, outnumbered, fixed in position and very likely the police will >
Or you pull an uno and call the cops onto them. "armed masked guys broke into...fearing for my life...should i open fire or keep hiding...come fast please" -> they hopefully send a swat team then.
No. Look, I'm not even saying it wouldn't be your legal right in the US. What I'm trying to explain to you is that you will die if you start firing on feds, be they fakeass nazi feds or not. You're going to have a heroic last stand against the ICE army, but yu won't walk out victorious. IF being a martyr is what you want, go ahead. You might actually boost your sides polling numbers nationally.
What this woman is doing is actually a good reaction. Maybe actually do call 911 and tell them >
masked, armed men are currently forcing their way onto your property. Survive, live, record them, post the video, sue them, make the cops show up.
Or in other terms, why would you choose to fight a prolongued, slow and dangerous guerilla war from the mountains, if you could just march on the presidential palace? Because you wouldn't get halfway down the mainstreet before the army smokes you and your rebels. Try to see it tactically and strategically.
bunch of people just dressing up as Feds and are actually out to murder you, you might try to stand them down. Warn them before they enter, that you will open fire if they force entrance without a judicial warrant. Have 911 on the line already, so they can hear the whole situation unfold. They will come, when they hear a firefight is about to go down. Whether they come to arrest you or to save you, then you at least know they're cops. All I'm saying is, don't stage a Butch Cassidy and Sundance>
TheSecondPiewackit
Oh hey look... absolute immunity begets straight up fuckin crime. 99% chance they were actually there to steal some shit.
CptJohnYossarian
Does Utah have castle doctrine?
itsthevoiceman
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
DwayneTheCrackJohnson
You're not allowed to gun down burglars in Utah?
FaptimusPrime
There's a solution for this.
Roqinn
So, breaking and entering.
itsthevoiceman
While armed. Extra charges.
vonHoopla
So legitimate targets for self defense
kooooll
Oh my god, why do they all look the same. Get a personality guys.
pete8772
Start blastin’
penclnck
dead nazis are the only good nazis.
phyxious562
I'm sorry. But if I had a business. And they broke in. They'd NEVER make it out.......
FortifiedWhine
Sure dude.
phyxious562
I guess we'll never know then
LazerSpacePirate
No proper documentation? Well I guess they get shot since that's the precedent they've set with us.
Zelbubuth
Stand your ground states . . . Castle doctrine . . .
FPAlpha
Why waste breath on screaming? Film them, call the cops and then sue ICE for damages and violating your rights.
Save yourself the blood pressure.
FlintNorth44
Cops are already there (hint)
DukeDarkwood
Where? I only see masked robbers. And it sounds like none of them have provided any sort of evidence that they belong to any branch of law enforcement.
FPAlpha
Where? I only see two idiots in tacticool gear breaking the law and posing as LEO's while violating the constitution.
mercyPandaRunner
Soooooo, faces on camera, lying about their legal mandate and illegally forcing entrance and tresspassing on property.
I'm sure these people will face legal consequences... right?
Nanntuckett
There’s nothing stopping anyone from dressing as an ICE agent and breaking into wherever they please. If they don’t identify themselves with a judicial warrant, don’t let them do anything.
Hippopotamuswhale
Ive been saying this long time but still people just let anyone walk in. Arms yourselves brothers and sisters
NothingPrince
They have already killed the politition reasently by dressing up as a coo
FortifiedWhine
Do you need a bondulance?
NothingPrince
Yes or much more sleep
XXXSpork
So they expected to find people there while it was closed?
savagesong
No they are there to steal stuff. They’ve already been caught with victims cars, phones, and personal belongings.
popeyeNL
Looks like they did find someone.
itsthevoiceman
They aren't the sharpest bulb in the shed.
TheSecondPiewackit
Uh... this strikes me more as a cover story for an actual B and E.
murderdactyl
Some jackass in AK dressed up as ice and harassed people at Walmart. If it is happening here it's definately happening everywhere!
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
I'm glad I don't live in the US, I would already have gone against my lifelong choice to never have a gun, and I would probably have used it in a situation like this.
psmith00
at this point it's a wonder they didn't just shoot her as well.
Mikataki
Grade-A opportunity to shoot Nazis.
demosteness
The USA is genuinely fucked up
Hatlled
Huh. I I were the owner, I'd have already accidentally shot them. With a shotgun. A lot.
shalafi71
They have clearly stated there is no law, no Constitution, we are on our own to defend ourselves. Fucking act like it. I. Am. Watching.
imgurmage
They were probably looking to steal tools.
quietwalker
Then they should be shot.
SalmonMax
Utah, eh? Interesting. Does this mean they're going to start going after 'Red' states?
akambe
I live in Utah. It's getting a little bluer, but still thoroughly red. I doubt ICE will have a huge presence here, but you never know.
shalafi71
Bring. It. I. Fucking. Dare. Them.
Swiggy1957
Utah is a stand your ground state. If they broke into an autobody shop without a warrant, the tenet has the right and obligation to unalive them.
IDontCareAtAllButIShould
Why aren't they showing their faces in the video?
DukeDarkwood
Criminals often hide their identity to avoid being recognized.
itsthevoiceman
Cowardice
Kiares
Looks like B&E, 100% legit opportunity to headshot some Nazis
HeywouldJablowme
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PineappleLoopsBroether
Absolutely. Stop yelling, get your gat, squeeze yo clip.
livingonagiantfireball
Yeah but you talk about american, they would never pull a gun out against law enforcement, much rather die.
charondaboatman
This; without identifying or a legal right(a signed judicial warrant)/authority) and being armed, it is a violent aggravated breaking and entering. Shoot them.
Teledabby
just don't film it and make the corpses disapper?
itsthevoiceman
Armed BNE is not something that gets you a weekend in the tank. That's serious fucking shit.
Teledabby
sorry, whats BNE?
charondaboatman
B&E
sascottsn
Breaking and entering. The kinda shit you get shot for, pretty much everywhere.
brianglass10
Yes they actually do.
Sonicschilidogs
But Daddy Trumpy signed a memo that we don't!!!!! It's not faiiirrrrrr!!!!! *Stomps foot like a toddler*
MadamPuddifoot
Yeah except they're right. Nobody is prosecuting them for doing this, so they CAN do it
doctorId
On paper, yes. In practice, clearly not.
brianglass10
That paper being the “Constitution of the United States of America”…
NothingPrince
They're not wearing masks so are they really ice.
hogeyegrex
They’re Border Patrol, which makes me wonder just what border they’re patrolling in Utah.
SavageDrums
Yeah, but they have the brainpower of a stuffed animal, and four whole minutes of training, so they don't know that.
Gnerg
Legally yes, but in practice, they don't, because no one will stop them. Laws only matter if they are enforeced, unfortunately.
IAmDuckHammer
Flamethrowers, ice picks, and other stuff can stop them.
4Astaroth
First melt Ice then break Ice. Good choice.
StarscreamAndHutch
👆
whereismymind86
No one will stop them now, doesn’t mean we can’t throw every single one of them in jail in 2029
MechKelly
Jails are expensive. We have much more cost effective solutions.
corndude101
The problem is the Wxecutive Branch is supposed to enforce the laws and the aren’t…
This is when Congress is supposed to step in and start an impeachment process. But they arent…
It’s crazy that our system is so fragile that all it takes is someone going… “Yea I’ll do what I want.”
And the whole system collapses.
Lynkfox
Yeah it's not that simple. They been systematically stacking the systems in their favor for decades. Gerrymandering and local elections leading to judges being placed leading to majorities all the way up the chain. This is just the culmination of 40 odd years of work.
GaldorOfNihlem
Well this is a lot bigger and scarier than someone going "yea I'll do what I want", this is a cult-like organisation that's effectively infiltrated a large percentage of media, judges, government, senators, governors, law-enforcement and more. And all of it is led by the ultra rich most likely. Trump I believe is nothing but a puppet
anjeleyezjr
Armed and masked individuals break into your place. YOu have the right to defend yourself. Do it.
shalafi71
WAY fucking ahead of you. And I practice every week at my own range. No one comes in this house without a judicial warrant.
mercyPandaRunner
You will die, but you'll sure make it to the news. And they will successfully frame you as a terrorist. Maybe you will win the legal issue posthumously. They won't wait for that.
Unless you know the neighborhood starts speaking Vietnamese, you should only start a firefight with those it if you have the wish to become a martyr. You are not in a position where you can escalate and hope to come out the other end. You're isolated, outnumbered, fixed in position and very likely the police will >
mercyPandaRunner
show up as reinforcements because "sOmEoNe FiReD oN a FeDeRaL aGeNt!!!11!!"
schlummi
Or you pull an uno and call the cops onto them. "armed masked guys broke into...fearing for my life...should i open fire or keep hiding...come fast please" -> they hopefully send a swat team then.
mercyPandaRunner
That would be my recommendation too.
anjeleyezjr
So you would just let them do as they please if they break into your home?
mercyPandaRunner
No. Look, I'm not even saying it wouldn't be your legal right in the US. What I'm trying to explain to you is that you will die if you start firing on feds, be they fakeass nazi feds or not. You're going to have a heroic last stand against the ICE army, but yu won't walk out victorious. IF being a martyr is what you want, go ahead. You might actually boost your sides polling numbers nationally.
What this woman is doing is actually a good reaction. Maybe actually do call 911 and tell them >
mercyPandaRunner
masked, armed men are currently forcing their way onto your property. Survive, live, record them, post the video, sue them, make the cops show up.
Or in other terms, why would you choose to fight a prolongued, slow and dangerous guerilla war from the mountains, if you could just march on the presidential palace? Because you wouldn't get halfway down the mainstreet before the army smokes you and your rebels. Try to see it tactically and strategically.
If you're actually afraid they might be a>
mercyPandaRunner
bunch of people just dressing up as Feds and are actually out to murder you, you might try to stand them down. Warn them before they enter, that you will open fire if they force entrance without a judicial warrant. Have 911 on the line already, so they can hear the whole situation unfold. They will come, when they hear a firefight is about to go down. Whether they come to arrest you or to save you, then you at least know they're cops. All I'm saying is, don't stage a Butch Cassidy and Sundance>