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Hippopotamuswhale
We have problems with electricity prices where I live but oh boy were building more and more fucking datacenters which RAISE the price more to consumers and they give zero taxes to our country. but again corruption is rampant in every country in world.
usingYourMomAsAHat
Yes but how else will we have images of women with 2 to the nth power amount of tits? Surely this is more important than the environment etc /s
rouzuki
'You need to use less electricity and recycle more......so we can take up the slack and produce/pollute more".
GratuaCuun
Honey, that was propaganda to make consumers feel guilty and work harder to limit their environmental impact SO CEOS AND BUSINESS DADDIES WOULDN'T HAVE TO
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bm9zeGk3b2hxZXhiczZjeGgxaHd6aXUwd3RmeGhvNXg5YmVodjAyaCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/Qy7tP5FZZXAN0SR5uc/200w.webp
HonHomes
Just saying ...
FizzleBurger
When rich tech bros throw their money behind software projects, it almost seems like they're DELIBERATELY backing the ones that are the most computationally expensive. It makes sense: if the product gets big, the people who'll profit most are the ones who can afford to foot these huge electric bills.
Admittedly, LLMs have a better excuse for needing all that power than blockchain ever did, but I still suspect that the early investors in both saw the excessive power use as a feature not a bug.
FartsSmellBad
When you were told to turn the lights off, you have to understand these are the people you're intended to save the power for.
dieselfury
Yeah, same with environmental conservation and racial acceptance. I've seen Pocahontas, did you want me to paint with all the colors of the wind or not?
Bojovnik84
The problem is, those rich people didn't watch those commercials because they were off doing polo or badminton. https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MTA1ZzZlMzl2eHN5NmliNnRyd3AxNjB3MDM0YXcxb3B3eXp6dmhuaCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/xl5QdxfNonh3q/200w.webp
lightfoot2
Life under Rethuglicans
Sulanis
Keep in mind that all places that get a A.I. data center built are seeing average people's energy bills skyrocket. Why? Well demand is up and instead of making the Data center pay for what they use they claim demand is up and charge everyone else more. Which is fucking ridiculous.
TsukariYoshi
I was tasked by my dad to always turn off lights that were left on around our house (and it was a lot, it was two adults and four teens.) That created a habit that I still practice today, absentmindedly turning off lights any time I notice them being on for no reason.
And now we have this wasteful garbage that's being forced into every possible application. I could turn lights off for all of electrified history and it won't put a dent in that shit.
TheNoirAntagonist
Almost every green initiative that puts responsibility on regular people instead of the companies that do the lion's share of environmental impact are funded by the companies that do the most pollution so they can scapegoat and not do anything despite their significantly wasteful product line development as it is cheaper to run an ad than modify processes.
MinistryOfSillyTalks
Yes although back then every light bulb took 60w minimum and now you only spend like 10% of that. Much of electricity was also sourced from fossil fuels so energy saving created more direct savings than with renewables for example.
viila
Well, good news, all the electricity will soon be fossil fuels again in the US!
fiorideiliberi11
Yeah, sure, but if you don't do something, something that is in your power to do, like switching off your lights all is in vain. Pinpointing others is only an excuse for your own lack of engagement for our ( unique) planet. So keep on switching off lights, because it'll never be nothing, it'll always be something.
dohcohv
It also saves you money. Not just in electricity but in replacements. Incandescent bulbs from that time had a limit on the number of hours they would last based off the thickness of the filament.
Today I make choices around saving power because it will save me money. LED's last longer and use 1/10th the power. My car is electric because I'm not going to keep buying fuel to set on fire when it's 1/3rd the cost to just charge it at home. I bought a well insulated home so my heater and A/C can 1/2
dohcohv
Be smaller and run less often, extending their life. Also, when they encounter problems I won't freeze or get heatstroke before I can get them fixed. Somehow, this is incredibly controversial for my inlaws. They bring up they pay $300/mo in electricity and $500/mo in fuel. I still have one gas vehicle that gets used often so I spend about $60/mo in gas, while my electricity bill is a around $100/mo. They say stuff like my car won't last 150k miles, but I would have saved 6,000G and $15k
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dohcohv
The no oil changes, no filter changes, and virtually no brake changes are also a huge bonus. My gas vehicle schedule is 15k miles per oil change, but it's usually 10k.
Also, no timing belts which is a huge mental relief. No serpentine belts either.
Miracl3W0rk3r
I remember when they told us Gambling was bad...now its available on your phone 24/7
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Gambling is bad...only if you win, then casinos kick you out.
codenameRadical
Those campaigns were driven by big corporations trying to convince Americans that all the environmentalism needed to fall on them, and not on, say, any systemic, corporate, policy making entity.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
power is a commodity. the more you use, the more expensive it becomes. "save energy" campaigns were corporate propaganda to keep their own costs down by guilting you over saving the environment. kinda like recycling.
JAPONfan
Every such campaign that put effort on the end consumer is an offshot of a PR campaign made by BP to shift responsibility for pollution from big companies really responsible for that to the people who can't do nothing but can feel the blame.
ThailandExpress
Zammurkele
Always turn off torches in your videogames. They use real electricity.
EllisTomago
It's all hypocrisy and it always has been.
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Also, recycling is a scam. They will blame you for every reason they can't recycle your stuff. "Oh, you didn't sort it." "Oh, you didn't wash it." "Oh, that's the wrong kind of plastic." Anything to shift the blame onto the individual. My mom is still washing and sorting as if it will save the world, meanwhile MEGAcorp just pays money to plant more trees (Which were already being planted, so no difference made) in order to claim that their company is Carbon Neutral, while still polluting shit.
Greypuppy
Removing even a SINGLE little CEO from the equation would be more helpful to the environment than any amount of recycling or turning off unused lights by the average person. Nothing a normal household does is even a fraction of a percent of what companies do to ruin the planet. They're the real problem, not individuals.
Sechran
We live in a world controlled by Captain Planet villains.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
And no captain planet, or iron Man, or batman
lovehandlesmessiah
Trump is as close to being and looking like Hoggish Greedly if the cartoon character routine shit his pants
salligheri24
Captain Planet was a psyop to make YOU feel guilty for not recycling so you wouldn't blame the corporations.
TheLastSpaceman
I want to bludgeon CEOs...we are not the same
UpvoteTotem
Can I come watch
nclu
You're ahead of me. I just wanted to charge a steep carbon tax & dividend. It's everyone's atmosphere, if your business is so great, pay them for it.
ParaspriteHugger
You want to bludgeon CEOs.
I want to slow roast them over burning ai data centers.
We are not the same.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Why not both? Tenderise the meat then cook to perfection
WarlockSniper
I am on board, as long as we eat them.
Vempire
Mmm, Elite jerky
OdinYggd
They don't deserve that level of respect. The leftover parts go straight into a trash incinerator or acid barrel so that they don't attract nuisance animals.
WarlockSniper
But I am against waste. If *we* are not eating them, we could at least feed animals with them. Even if it's a shark or two. Blahaj hungers for billionaire flesh
OdinYggd
Not wasting the meat is a matter of respect for the creature that gave its life to provide it. CEOs do not deserve that respect, and should have their last remains erased in the most disrespectful manner possible. By mixing it with combustible trash and incinerating the whole works at temperature so high only dust remains.
WarlockSniper
Eh, it's not even respect. I just like to see happy and well fed creatures.
dirtmarker
The "keep america beautiful" campaign was started by Coca-Cola to get ordinary americans to pick up litter so Coke didn't have to have to plan on what to do with all the garbage they created. They straight up pushed that shit back on us. There was NEVER any plan to save this world. Not from corporations.
pareidoliaperson
Can you hurry up??
joshuasplinth
I was about to say something like this, but then I thought maybe I was being too negative… but yea, this was the 90s version of avocado toasting us.
AllTheKitties
Damn, yea, just had this come up at work. IT released a fix that actually broke things worse but in the process, enabled a workaround. We were wondering if we'd have to prove ROI to get them to *actually* fix the issue because they've recently been pushing for ROI on all requests. Thankfully, they agreed to fix it without an ROI analysis. This time....
IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
That the city has to pick up trash at the cost of the tax payer is a massive scam. Companies are not taxed enough for the infrasture they need to operate.
DaveSamsonite
Trash collection in our area is entirely private. There are six different trash companies rumbling up and down our street every week.
In dense urban centers having a centralized public trash removal service makes a lot of sense.
ActualTttony
Recycling too
SpamYarBlockers
Didn’t BP invent the idea of individuals monitoring their personal carbon footprint so that big corps could make individuals take all the responsibility and blame?
Skuggen
dirtmarker
That right there is the fucking truth.
It's not that we don't have the resources to fix the planet or feed the poor or give everyone healthcare..it's that the rich can't be satisfied and they steal everything they can.
pgdave
As an american, the middle class american *is* the rich that can't be satisfied. If we had to reduce our lifestyle by 50% to save the world, we'd complain that "the rich" should do it (while being richer than 80-90% of the entire world). I don't say this to blame us, I say this because sometimes the reality of what "rich" is in the global economy is unclear to americans, who can't see wealth any more than fish see water.
pgdave
https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/how-rich-am-i? - if you're curious to see how wealthy you are vs. the world. Median US post-tax household income is about 70k. Assuming 2 adults and 2 children, that's in the top 15% of the world.
WarlockSniper
And yet that is still a laughably *PATHETIC* drop in the ocean compared to the 1% in the USA. Which has about 98% of that be PATHETIC compared to the last 2% of the 1%.
Now we're talking about people whose wealth surpasses that of *NATIONS*. That is perverted. That should be illegal. Nobody should have that much money
andexer
It's not just that they can't be satisfied. It's that there is also a perverted belief that some should suffer. For their sins (this is all very puritanical), which is usually being poor.
Skuggen
I tend to find anyone who actually says stuff like that so obviously hypocritical I just assume they're all using that as a better excuse than "I'm an evil bastard who wants anyone who is different from me to suffer."
pompoikpoik
What's the issue about picking up the trash you bought yourself ..,???
cmdshift3
Gen X got harassed every day about pollution and we were told that WE were the ones wrecking the environment. We changed habits, cleaned the litter, and are still waiting for companies to do their part…. Still.
Although, we can’t really do much to prevent the mess after a tornado or hurricane, we do help to clean up what we can after the fact.
pompoikpoik
Harassed ? For cleaning after use ?? That's just being decent
I still don't get the point about "companies should do their part"... Problem is missing regulations, that should come from elected representatives. Without regulations, i can't see what we should expect from "companies"...
ArkoneAxon
You're both right. It IS just being decent to clean up after yourself. But... corporations did indeed do everything possible to outsource the costs onto everyone else.
Corporations are actually selectively communist. "OUR expenses... MY profits."
Colopty
Corporations not doing their part is definitely a problem, but that still doesn't negate that it's positive to pick up your own trash.
pompoikpoik
Corporations are mostly doing what is required by regulations....
It's on the people to get representatives that will change the regulations, or to change our consumer habits
DaveSamsonite
"Harassed" is a rather strong word for educating a young generation about pollution.
For thousands of years, people just threw everything on the ground. That's why modern Rome is 30 feet higher than ancient Rome.
Over time there is less and less littering, but plenty of it still goes on.
cmdshift3
No. “Don’t litter” is quite a bit different than “You’re destroying the planet. All this pollution is your fault.” while corporate regulation is ignored. I’m not saying the message was bad; it was incomplete and confrontational to consumers rather than the largest contributors to the problem.
The plant I worked at in the 90s handled about as much waste water in a week that a household would in a year. The difference in scale is staggering but completely ignored by the mainstream.
DaveSamsonite
I am sure that is how you remember it. But talk to others your age and explore that memory. Just because some adult made you feel bad (intentionally or not) does not mean that this was a standard practice. Our household has a Gen X, a Gen Y and a Milennial and I am 61 and none of us had this kind of experience.
Of course, none of societies environmental issues were the fault of a child. I am sure you have figured that out by now.
No one can change the past.
brownribbon
I’m not sure how people littering is Coca Cola’s fault.
DaveSamsonite
This is simply Enrage to Engage social media bullshit. Those ads were in 1971 and they were effective AF. I neither knew nor do I care that Coca Cola helped fund them.
blacksheep214
Before that point the norm was producers put their products in durable containers, which the consumers returns to be cleaned and reused. When they started producing single-use packaging there was groups looking into assessing manufacturers a fee for the cleanup costs their new packaging were causing. And so, an italian dressed up like a native american came to the rescue of capitalism.
brownribbon
Before what point?
blacksheep214
Before the greenwashing Keep America Beautiful campaign founded by beverage manufacturers and others in 1953.
brownribbon
Okay, I’m still not understanding how littering is Coca Cola’s fault.
NaughtButOne
In fairness, it wasn't Coke throwing bottles and cans into the ditches. They create the product. It's the consumer who chooses to litter. I'm as anti-corporation as they come, but we can't lay off every single little thing onto them. Some of it's our own fault.
RipThemUpRatchet
Honestly that’s like saying it’s the kid’s fault his room isn’t clean when his mom hoards everything from clothes to toys, with absolutely no plan for storage. Think about it
williamfny
It isn't that simple. We used to have an effective system with glass bottles and recycling those but the companies didn't make as much money doing that. There is a whole history there you are overlooking. I'm not saying that we aren't guilty either as a society either.
NaughtButOne
I'm not overlooking it. It's also not as simple as THAT, either. We can't have a weekend seminar on the complexities of social responsibilities and histories with a character limit. I think it's sufficient to say that corporations will take every opportunity to fuck us over, but at the same time, they don't make money by selling nothing to nobody. The consumer is a part of the equation, and cannot absolve themselves of responsibility entirely.
Shnekzer
Well there is also the direct pollution created by those companies. For exemple Nestle Waters illegaly dropped and hid the équivalent of more than 126 olympic pools of plastic bottles in the Vosges mountain forests on France. I have no such exemples for Coke but i'am sure that we Can find it. https://www.franceinfo.fr/environnement/pollution/proces-nestle-waters-des-montagnes-de-bouteilles-plastiques-dans-la-nature_7636895.html
williamfny
Agreed. There is more than enough blame to go all around. Suffice to say, people are the fucking worst.
DaveSamsonite
There was plenty of litter before bottles and cans, but paper is biodegradable.
cmdshift3
Our parents and their parents… not us.
Corporations STILL pushed the narrative that consumer waste was on any scale that would rival corporate and manufacturing waste. Individuals learned better and we did our part, but corps used the opportunity to direct the narrative away from their own responsibility. Now they just own all the media and politicians, so they don’t even have to worry about the narrative.
CrossEyedPigeonToed
So you're saying zero millennials, and gen z litter huh?
cmdshift3
Zero? No, but I haven’t personally seen anyone litter since the late 80s or so. When I was a kid, it was pretty common to see people chuck a McDonald’s cup, wrappers, or cans out of their window on the road. There was a pile of cigarette butts and ash at just about every stop sign.
CrossEyedPigeonToed
Come on dude, just because you personally don't see something doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Leave those kinds of arguments to the right. Where do you live btw? I live in Vegas and see that shit on the daily, especially fuckheads throwing butts out of their car window.
OptimisticSchrodinger
Yes, you are completely free of blame. It’s your parent’s fault, it’s always your parent’s fault.
GrandAdmlStrife
50 years ago people in the UK had to ration power. They used candles at night. Crazy.
WackyTicTacCasualty
That was due to industrial action - strikes.
flounder35
Don't give Starmmer or that mega twatwaffle Ferage ideas.
georgejimmydoodle
I remember in the 70s there were PSAs about conserving energy. The tag line was "we don't have to freeze in the dark" and it scared the everloving fuck out of me.
Evi1Gav
Yeah, that was because of the coal miners strikes in 72 and 74. Businesses were working three day weeks.
Evi1Gav
Sorry, 74 and 76. Not 72.
alcamar
Time to invest in candle making should and materials. I'm gonna be rich!
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Human fat renders down well.
psugab
Thanks Tyler
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
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skincancerisfun
Have you seen the price of candles? They must have been rich af
bippityboppitybuttsex
A reminder that the US had no math where it could provide electricity past 2010 or so... the thing that saved us? Well, it is stupid.
LED lightbulbs.
The estimate (from 2018) is that LED lightbulbs have saved us some 1.3 Quadrillion BTUs... some 5% of annual electricity usage... some $14.7B in cost savings and by 2025 had saved over 60% off the cost of pre-LED lighting costs and not emitting some 258 million metric tons of CO2.
sabrinadiesatdawn
Do you just make up bullshit and post it on the internet? That's my favorite kind of internet content, so carry on, I guess
bippityboppitybuttsex
No, I pulled it from the Dept of Energy:
https://www.energy.gov/eere/ssl/led-adoption-report
I am not going to provide an annotated bibliography until asked cuz the space does not exist... if we had unlimited characters, I would include it initially.
sabrinadiesatdawn
Ah, sorry about being flippant, then. Regardless, your point is wrong to the point of absurdity
MarcoPoloOnPollo
Curious what the carbon footprint of making the bulbs ended up as. Not saying it's not worth the transition, but I'm just interested in the actual data comparison.
HamSlamwich
You'll have to do your own googling for the individual mineral mining impacts, but my guess would be most of these are produced, not mined.
https://mineralseducationcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/mec_fact_sheet_led_bulbs_0.pdf
MarcoPoloOnPollo
Sure, but mining isn't the only way to produce a large carbon footprint. Burning materials in general adds to this, so consider the transportation methods used in sourcing the materials, running furnaces or kilns, etc. case in point, several years ago, a method of covering glaciers at the poles with a white cloth of some sort drastically reduced glacial melting, but the carbon footprint of transporting it there made it moot.
newphonewhoodis
Except it’s not stupid. LEDs take advantage of electron holes and quasiparticles in condensed matter physics to create photons with (almost) no heat. They are a modern marvel perhaps only one or two steps down from penicillin.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Stupid as in it may not be the thing you think of that used all the electron holes (which is just Electrical Engineer-speak for current flow)... light seems simple... people were talking about reducing air conditioning as a waste of energy use (it makes the planet habitable).
What is really insane are Blue LEDs
shalafi71
The story of blue LEDs is a wild ride!
Zeddicuszull
The power of one japanese dude with insane ADHD just working on one problem for years and years and ignoring his mental and physical health and his bosses and build a reactor from spare parts in a cave with no budget.
Sheptard
https://youtu.be/AF8d72mA41M?si=kbw7zjHrnTOgPFkK
Y'all sent me down the rabbit hole on this one. Thank you
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
Would you mind elaborating on having no math where it could provide electricity past 2010? Do you mean we'd completely run out of electricity? Or consume electricity at a rate faster than we could produce it?
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, calculations were done in the mid-late 1990s, assuming normal energy demand growth... at that time, lighting accounted for 20% of all energy production... Now it is 6%...
The big question was that we needed to start cranking out nuclear power plants to meet demand (recall the brown outs of the early 2000s that actually got Grey Davis recalled as governor of CA because Enron was manipulating energy prices), we saw similar brown-outs here in Chicago.
LEDs saved us, dropped that 20% to 6%..
bippityboppitybuttsex
I would like to note that if electric cars got decent market penetration, they would crash the grid... Right now, that number is at 4%... if it grows to 40%, there is no time period where we could charge them all... even with LEDs.
The solution is more production, but, since nukes take 30 years to spin up (we need to put all nuclear plants under the control of the US Navy and crank them out), we have to go with wind and solar which would absolutely do the job... we just need to build them.
bippityboppitybuttsex
It is long but the dude knows his shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
Fascinating. Thank you for explaining. :)
TheHolyFatman
...and then rumpT cancelled all renewables and handed the dying coal industry orders to fire up old plants not even worth running since their infrastructure was crumbling.....
bippityboppitybuttsex
trump is absolutely 100% evil.... he knows his family will be able to buy their way out of the ruin he has wrought...
pgdave
So...saving 5% of electric usage saved the entire post-2010 electric grid? That math doesn't math.
bippityboppitybuttsex
There were increases in other areas... we now use 5% less, total, than we did pre-LED even with the increases in other areas.
I will note, since people are complaining and I didn't include an annotated bibliography, most of my data comes from the Dept of Energy... and other sources... e.g. https://palmetto.com/home-electrification/what-are-led-light-bulbs
TheHolyFatman
Cosigned by a utility professional. It's been long enough that people forget we created a whole new commodity in the late 90s and started selling electricity. What was once public companies that generated and delivered with no middleman, we now have these systems built with generation, sale, delivery to people. With that, they stopped building generation plants and focused on selling kwh as a commodity. Now we have a finite amount of electricity and no incentive to build generation plants.( 1)
bippityboppitybuttsex
I mean, they were gov't sanctioned monopolies, e.. ConEd in NYC was originally a legislative corporation given sole-authority to lay gas pipes in 1823... most major metropolitan areas run the same way (ComEd in Chicagoland, e.g.)... they are private companies, but their pricing is controlled by a Citizens Utility Board that only allows price increases if justified.
TheHolyFatman
And they still are, but now it's ComEd buying kwh from PJM at a rate and having a right to recoup a percentage of what that costs is. They deliver the kwh to the customer at a rate approved by the ICC. That rate can include cost recoup of grid maintenance, technology upgrades and cyber security systems
TheHolyFatman
Had we not deregulated utilities, there would have been public investments that built generation plants to suit the needs of a growing economy. However, we are here: regions of the US struggling to meet energy demands of households, prioritizing data centers and the traders selling energy are making a fucking killing off it. People get mad at their electric company, but it's really the collision between the traders, generation and big tech to profit from selling premium kwh.