Adulting - How much money you're gonna need for your chosen lifestyle and what job you should have.

Dec 3, 2017 10:55 AM

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Spend all that time in school learning about the Battle of Whatnot and the Capital of Siberia, but then realise you have no way of buying your dream mansion? Well listen up, I'm going to give you an lesson in the cost of adulting.

Not what you need when you finish university, but what you might want a few years on from there.

These examples are in Pound Sterling and based on outgoings in the UK. I'm sure somebody will helpfully comment on equivalents in your country.

First off, pick a desirable house on an online estate agent in the area you want to live. I picked this one off of RightMove, it's in the uninspiring town of Swindon, UK. Swindon has good transport links and.. well I'm sure somebody else will come along later and talk up the sports centre or something...

TWO bedrooms AND an upstairs bathroom. Look at you greedy eyes. Looking to lord yourself over your colleagues.

How much that house gonna cost me? £180,000.

Don't worry, the bank will lend you some cash for the house. Hopefully by the time you've bought yourself a nasty flat somewhere and worked a bit you'll be able to get an 80% loan and have enough to cover the £36K deposit.

Calculate mortgage repayments (excludes setup fees and other house purchasing expenses): https://www.google.com/search?q=mortgage+calculator
£144,000 at 5% over 25 years is £850.

But wait, there's more.

Council Tax for this one £105/m.

Electricity £45/m

£20 on gas (I guessed with the gas/leccy split. £65 is the average small home dual-fuel bill. I use more leccy than gas, I also spend more on leccy than average). Probably less in America as energy is cheap over there.

£15 on buildings and contents insurance. Again, based on averages, but do the numbers, get an online quote for a property you're interested in and tot up your wish list of assets you want in your own home.

£40 on line rental and broadband from a shitty ISP. Not the lowest price point, but you guys probably don't want the lowest quality broadband either. You can get it down with constantly shifting from one shitty provider to another.

£12.25 for the much disliked TV license (pays for the BBC), probably not applicable in most countries!

INTERLUDE
So those were your standard mandatory fixed outgoings. The ones that if you don't pay you'll get into trouble. But of course, there are more "optional" ones...

For those not keeping count, we're at £1,257 per month currently.

BTW - this gif is courtesy of the BBC that the TV license you don't like paying produces.

Yeah, you might want to feed yourself. £180? Won't get you eating out, and you'll be living off the basics range in Sainsbury's.

Mobile phone? Sim only for £15/m and use your WiFi.

£200 a month on your car finance. You can get a small and slow hatchback brand new on a PCP deal for about this. Or, you can have a second hand car and run it into the ground, but you'll probably want to still put £200 aside for the increased maintenance and inevitable replacement of it. Or not, adjust this example to fit your desires, maybe spend that on that extra bedroom eh?

£150 on commuting costs to your place of work. Even with a car, you have to fuel it (can highly recommend getting an electric car for your commute, saves me more that the cost of the finance). If you don't have a car, you have to wrestle with public transport. Perhaps you're lucky and can cycle or something.

Clothes, haircuts that sort of thing? £40/m too much? I don't tend to buy clothes often, but spend a lot when I do. You can do it cheaper, but this isn't about skimping, it's about where you want to be.

I think that covers off the basics to adult in your dream two bed in Swindon. How much is that going to cost you? Close enough to £2000/m. Flex the values to your aspirations.

Or, £24,000 / year. Average UK Salary for a 20-24 is about £16,000, but this isn't about starting off in life, it's about where you want your career to go. And the overall average is £27,000.

But wait, there's the never ending taxes. If you get £24,000 you don't go home with that. For the Brits in the room, take a look at https://www.listentotaxman.com, it gives a great break down on your taxes.

You would have to earn £32,500 to cover income tax, national insurance and a 5% pension contribution (trust me, you want to do that bit), and still come home with £24,000. I suspect there are some other equally easy to use websites that break down your taxes for other countries.

So now you know how much you need for your desired lifestyle, you can see what jobs you can get paying that. Get looking on the job websites and put in that salary and see what sort of jobs come up. Don't worry about things like experience and what not, this is your career, you'll gain that.

If something tickles you, fantastic, you've just completed your careers advice session and you know what you need to work towards in life.

Cat tax! Middle-aged now, still likes to chase mice, birds, rabbits. Pretty well behaved.

TL;DR. Don’t buy things you can’t afford.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

As someone who forgot how to do most of the things I learned in highschool, this helps.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I like how you list internet in the "mandatory" section and food as "more optional"

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Upvote for all the effort this took. Now get back to class.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So you have to have above average income to afford a modest property.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

there is no way you could buy a house for $200,000 anywhere near sydney, let alone one with a roof

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Is gas subsided ik the UK? Typical price in the Netherlands is 120 GBP/m.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

don't you have a shit-ton of windmills also?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*subsidized

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

OTOH, if you can swing 180K, buy a row of terraced houses in North East England, live in one, rent rest, browse imgur all day...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Saw a nine bedroom house with land and an annex for £400K the other day up that way. I could have a room just for lego!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This was the most confusing thing I’ve tried to read in 2017.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

And I tried to read GoT.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Confusing = unclear or budgeting for a home is confusing?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Pro tip- if you're using the word adulting, you're probably not there yet

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Or speaking the language understood by your audience

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Right. Like I said.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Buying a house is not an obligation.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

neither is meeting a partner, settling down or having kids - but it's something most people want to do before they get too old to do so

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Certainly not, but renting (or leting) a place isn't necessarily cheaper in the long run. Just more flexible.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Never said it was cheaper, but it’s certainly more convenient and much less responsibilities.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Most of the maintenance is improving property to make it nicer to live in, you can't always do that with rented.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Totally agree with you there! I much enjoy the fact that I don't have to fix everything that's broken in my flat. Just call maintenance!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But if you have the time, money and know-how, a house in the right location is a fantastic investment.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The thing that bothers me the most about buying a house in the UK is this... things out of my price range are often not even suitable, >

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

things that are in my price range are definitely not suitable, and by the time I can earn enough to get a place that is suitable I will be >

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

old enough and at a stage in my life that what was suitable at 20-25 is no longer suitable by 30 - in other words nobody except those with>

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

either financial support from parents, or a great paying job directly out of university, or wealth can afford to get a good start>

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

without putting their finanical wellbeing at risk very early on - setting themselves up for a lifetime of the same because of never being>

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

able to get too far ahead. There is a lot more opportunity for youth in other larger countries than there is for youth in the UK>

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, it's tough. But if you're going to take financial risks, do it young when you have time to recover from losses.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No damn bathroom in the downstairs? WTF?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

no en-suite either

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Better than not having one upstairs. My last house didn't, toilet was in the old coal shed on the end of the kitchen.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I wouldn't buy a place unless it had one up and down. Period. I'd go outside before running up the stairs every time I had to shit.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Agreed, but they cost more, so adjust the formula above to suit.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd replace those cupboards with closets.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Well, I need a converter to dollars to make sense of this.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

No point just converting it, you have to do the whole exercise as costs are way different. e.g. energy is dirt cheap relatively in US

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Who came up with this layout anyway? Master is almost the size of the "lounge"? Why? Tiny kitchen too.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I think it's more an illustration of how small the lounge is rather than how large the master is.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

@OP I also just bought myself an apartment in Norway, valued at 2 900 000 NOK, like 261 500 GBP. I've got an interest rate at 2.05% and 1/n

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

mortgage time is 30 years, so I'll pay about 5800 NOK pr month on mortgage, then there's 4200 NOK for fees in the apartment building 2/n

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

which covers maintenance, common areas cleaning, janitor, internet (20/20 fibre), TV and some other stuff. 3/n

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My income is about 32 000 NOK/month, and around 25% taxes. I can deduct 10-15 000 NOK from taxes because of the mortgage interest 4/n

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No gas, all electricity, which costs me about 220 NOK/month, where almost half is just fees and not consumed energy. 5/n

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also have district heating, which is cheap. I don't need a car, and pay about 3200 NOK every 3 months for public transport

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How does that compare with your national average and what do you do?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

it's like below national average I think. According to our statistics bureau national average is 43 300 NOK. 1/n

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Checked statistics for developers, average is 54 500 NOK

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0