I approve ! I don't gaf what side you are in this.. or your opinions. Anyone with vision clearly watched ICE lynch a man in the streets. Fuck them and anyone who supports this shit!
As a fellow fatttie, I don't mind only because I see it as specifically them cosplaying as macho, super-manly shooty men but they are so far from what they see as the ideal.
As a not fat person, I was going to comment exactly that this was offensive in several levels, but my English is so poor and I’m so direct and hard that I use to get downvoted to hell.
Unfortunately, you have to hit them with their own bigoted beliefs to actually register any shame. Calling them fascists, bootlickers, evil, gestapo, etc. does nothing to harm them, because they don’t regard any of that as fully shameful… and on some level, they even embrace it.
Cross-dressing isn't an identity. It's an action. Violent Losers can cross-dress too. This is why choosing an action as your identity is a poor decision. Don't wanna get lumped together with Violent Losers.
I love that we don't see it as an issue but they would so in love it more because I don't even see it as bad and it makes them double down. Get full power of the spite with no negative karma.
I was getting strong reverse-Tom of Finland vibes, at least in the way that mid-century leather kink was loosely tied to military/police uniforms. @TheDoctorCrankenstein is on the right track though, it's aimed to humiliate them because of how they feel about cross-dressers, homosexuals, transexuals, in addition to throwing fat dudes ("Dad bod") under the bus alongside the queer community as a means to insult ICE pigs.
yeah. it's obvious of course that this is pointed at ice, but you're right. even if there are crossdressers out there who aren't offended by it, there's still that prolonging of dated "gross men in women's clothing haha" negativity about stuff like this that makes me feel icky when someone expects me to laugh. meanwhile, ice should actually be ashamed of the real blood on their hands and the constitution they trample and the flag they sully as such:
Any insults high brow enough to not offend a marginalized group will sail over these fascist's heads. Sometimes you have to speak the native language to get your point across.
And what is gained by insulting them? There's clear harm being done by casting marginalized identities as inherently shameful so what's the up side we're getting out of this?
Emasculation is only denigrating if you think feminity is intrinsically inferior. This is just another example of misogyny, seen as more socially acceptable because it targets the same people we all dislike.
Shitlibs love to use bigotry against bigots. I've seen multiple people say that we should use homophobic slurs against ICE agents because it will bother them.
I know you’re trying to make a point here but I also know that you know it’s well over 90% men, probably nearly 100%, who are on the ground doing the kidnapping
A few women? Sure. But so you think this administration is going to put women in those uniforms on the street? They are all about enforcing the patriarchal power structure, and to them women in those squads is a bad look.
Then put them in diapers with a binky. One does not emasculate themselves by wearing lacy underwear. While we fight against the present tyranny, we must also be inclusive of our brother and sisters in arms that might not approach the world the way you do.
I already did peices of them in diapers. Also, you don't know my background, sexual preference, kinks, etc. So let's focus on the people GETTING SHOT IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA rather than other petty BS that may be a non issue
Nah, if your fighting includes being shit to my allies, then you're not my ally, just the enemy of my enemy. 'im not racist my best friend is black' is basically the shit you are trying to pull here. Happy to fight alongside you, but my fight wont be stopping with our common enemy.
YOU are the one ASSUMING I'm being shitty to your allies. Take some accountability. You don't care about any cause clear, especially Americans being shot in thr streets. Sit down, block me, move on, and miss me with that performative BS
@JasonUndead This is it, this is what other people in the comments are getting at. It's always been conveyed to me, as a queer ally, as important to avoid throwing others under the bus while insulting detractors. It detracts from the message when the means to detract from opponents throws fellows under the bus. If you hate someone who's a piece of shit, dragging others into the crossfire is unfair, insult one not both.
And that has its value - calling someone out on their hate, to me, is a powerful tool. But look at from this perspective - a young individual in the crossdressing community sees this, thinks to themselves "ICE is associated with crossdressing?! I don't think I can do this anymore..." And while this is an extreme point, I'll grant you, shouldn't we try to not alienate anyone wanting to be in that community?
If you use "gay" as an insult what you're saying is that being homosexual is a shameful thing. If you portray somebody in women's clothing or with female features as an insult what you're saying is that being a woman is a shameful thing.
You don't get to pick and choose. Either crossdressing is a perfectly acceptable choice that nobody should be ashamed of or it's an insult you use to hurt people you don't like. It can't be both.
that is the problem, imo. i get what it is going for, and in thier worldview it is humiliating. i do not criticize the sentiment, but just mourn that in society emasculating is seen as derogitory and humiliating.
There's actually for a long time been a psychological study that on over 90% of instances, ridiculing bad people by emasculating offends the targeted demographic, and not the demographic used to do it. In this case cross dressers won't be offended because to them it's normal, and if their normal offends bad people then that only empowers their lifestyle. It's been shown in most cases the people uncomfortable with it end up fighting made up battles thinking it is offensive when it isnt.
As a queer man, I 100% support calling ICE the f-slur.
Calling them fascists or Nazis or traitors means nothing to them, they wear those names as a badge of honor. But if you imply that they're gay (or crossdressers, who aren't necessarily gay, but maga doesn't know the difference) it will upset them. And might even be enough to get them to quit
Cool. They hate black people too. Should we also shout the n-word at them? Hurling slurs at the bad guys doesn't really hurt them but it does perpetuate the hate behind them. Even if you "Don't mean it that way.". I've had plenty of people tell me that using homophobic slurs is okay if you "don't mean it that way.". Fuck that shit. Have more respect for yourself and for the rest of us.
I'd say yes, but I've eh into a surprising number of diaper lovers. I appreciate them as humans, but would appreciate them more if they were in another room
TheUnspeakableh
Now I want to yell at them, "hey, baby, ever had your asshole licked by a fat man in an overcoat!?"
toolzgalore2
I'd buy that stamp
SodomySnake
Bitches can't hang with the streets.
Mehdals
Ritawho
19marcurious57
Dudes before enlisting ICE
demolitionlover09
Asheville! Hell yeah.
kittylandlovecenter1
I approve ! I don't gaf what side you are in this.. or your opinions. Anyone with vision clearly watched ICE lynch a man in the streets. Fuck them and anyone who supports this shit!
KittyKlimt6
I had to search to find the word ICE
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100kr
Cringe
vanishing
Trump's Gooners
TheForestFloor
Please don't turn ICE into sexy sexy bears. This is a really complicated boner for me.
TheFreshPrinceOfDenmark
AVL against ICE.
dingybasement350
It's totally awesome to fight bigotry with misogyny and toxic masculinity!
BlueDsc
As a fat person, I have to admit that fatness so regularly being used as a tool of mockery is kind of hurtful.
manyslayer
As a fellow fatttie, I don't mind only because I see it as specifically them cosplaying as macho, super-manly shooty men but they are so far from what they see as the ideal.
demosteness
As a not fat person, I was going to comment exactly that this was offensive in several levels, but my English is so poor and I’m so direct and hard that I use to get downvoted to hell.
codenameRadical
I need a simplified version of this. Something that could be turned into a spray paint stencil. You know, something they'd have trouble removing.
ShimmerinStrider
The three words that describe them most are; BITCH, Dumpster, ♫BIIITCH♫!
LittleCutiePie
I mailed your bitch ass a bag of nuuuuuuuuuuts!
thekeyofe
afnoot42
MAGATS
AvidCookie
https://image.seiska.fi/130089.webp?imageId=130089&width=620&height=349&format=jpg
Not cool if source of that scetch is these two finns. Check the eyebrows f.ex.. Google Burgerimiehet , not related to ICE
TheMershedPerderder
I.C.E HAS S.D.E
figuringeights
This is offensive to bitches.
demosteness
And to fat people, travesties and even gay people I would say.
firstpeoples611337
Make t shirts available for the public to benefit the murder victims family funds.
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middlenameconfusion
I can find this post on instagram, but not an article. sauce?
pelon77Cleveland
I don’t like how it besmirches cross dressers though.
Mack1986
It diesnt
Eristicrat
Or women -- if your best insult for someone is to dress them up like a woman .... I'm not loving what that says about how you feel about women.
queernosaur
Or fat people
aminalhouse
Unfortunately, you have to hit them with their own bigoted beliefs to actually register any shame. Calling them fascists, bootlickers, evil, gestapo, etc. does nothing to harm them, because they don’t regard any of that as fully shameful… and on some level, they even embrace it.
Moriarte
Cross-dressing isn't an identity. It's an action. Violent Losers can cross-dress too.
This is why choosing an action as your identity is a poor decision.
Don't wanna get lumped together with Violent Losers.
slyfox001
I love that we don't see it as an issue but they would so in love it more because I don't even see it as bad and it makes them double down. Get full power of the spite with no negative karma.
Also I need this as a flag
circlebreaker
I was getting strong reverse-Tom of Finland vibes, at least in the way that mid-century leather kink was loosely tied to military/police uniforms. @TheDoctorCrankenstein is on the right track though, it's aimed to humiliate them because of how they feel about cross-dressers, homosexuals, transexuals, in addition to throwing fat dudes ("Dad bod") under the bus alongside the queer community as a means to insult ICE pigs.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Nor the fat shaming.
azazyel
People make fun of them saying they have small dicks as an insult and I don't feel besmirched
Fayen
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1cXhqdzdkdXAwa3pob3U0dHRoazJpMWh6ZXhpYTRsZmR5aHVrb3Q4ZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/fTL8KxX9UCD4qFODR5/200w.webp
Mercenarity
yeah. it's obvious of course that this is pointed at ice, but you're right. even if there are crossdressers out there who aren't offended by it, there's still that prolonging of dated "gross men in women's clothing haha" negativity about stuff like this that makes me feel icky when someone expects me to laugh. meanwhile, ice should actually be ashamed of the real blood on their hands and the constitution they trample and the flag they sully as such:
RipThemUpRatchet
Cross dressers wouldn’t be caught dead in ICE gear
ShimmerinStrider
There it is.
Fuckimgurcunts
Of course. They'd never stoop so low
Slonato
Any insults high brow enough to not offend a marginalized group will sail over these fascist's heads. Sometimes you have to speak the native language to get your point across.
TurtleByrdThey
agreed, but it can still be pointed out as unfortunate.
insaaanity
I'd rather you didn't rip the arm off an innocent person just so you have one more thing to hurl towards them.
LostCaterpillar
And what is gained by insulting them? There's clear harm being done by casting marginalized identities as inherently shameful so what's the up side we're getting out of this?
Slonato
Shame is one of the few things that kept these people in the closet. I'm sorry the world isn't morally appropriate.
JasonUndead
Has nothing to do with cross dressers and everything to emasculated the man babies shooting innocent Americans in our streets in broad daylight
Froggie243
I wish they'd drawn them as babies instead then. I get using any ammo we have against them, but this feels icky.
IHateApostrophes
Emasculation is only denigrating if you think feminity is intrinsically inferior. This is just another example of misogyny, seen as more socially acceptable because it targets the same people we all dislike.
dingybasement350
Shitlibs love to use bigotry against bigots. I've seen multiple people say that we should use homophobic slurs against ICE agents because it will bother them.
juliakitten112
Is it only men ?
DarkwingDuc
No, but literally every single one of them that I’ve seen abuse, assault, harass, and murder someone is.
yamsonyamsonyams
I know you’re trying to make a point here but I also know that you know it’s well over 90% men, probably nearly 100%, who are on the ground doing the kidnapping
A few women? Sure. But so you think this administration is going to put women in those uniforms on the street? They are all about enforcing the patriarchal power structure, and to them women in those squads is a bad look.
juliakitten112
Not a point! A genuine question :)
powwerbottom
13-15% are women, including their leader (for now)
yamsonyamsonyams
Is that of people who work for ice or field agents ?:
powwerbottom
Field agents. They're just as capable of human rights violations as the men and still can't get hired equally, weird. Wonder if they get paid less too
pelon77Cleveland
Then put them in diapers with a binky. One does not emasculate themselves by wearing lacy underwear. While we fight against the present tyranny, we must also be inclusive of our brother and sisters in arms that might not approach the world the way you do.
JasonUndead
Also, I see your cool with making light of adults who enjoy diaper play... for them I guess
JasonUndead
I already did peices of them in diapers. Also, you don't know my background, sexual preference, kinks, etc. So let's focus on the people GETTING SHOT IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA rather than other petty BS that may be a non issue
LoquaciousDude
Nah, if your fighting includes being shit to my allies, then you're not my ally, just the enemy of my enemy. 'im not racist my best friend is black' is basically the shit you are trying to pull here. Happy to fight alongside you, but my fight wont be stopping with our common enemy.
JasonUndead
YOU are the one ASSUMING I'm being shitty to your allies. Take some accountability. You don't care about any cause clear, especially Americans being shot in thr streets. Sit down, block me, move on, and miss me with that performative BS
LostCaterpillar
circlebreaker
@JasonUndead This is it, this is what other people in the comments are getting at. It's always been conveyed to me, as a queer ally, as important to avoid throwing others under the bus while insulting detractors. It detracts from the message when the means to detract from opponents throws fellows under the bus. If you hate someone who's a piece of shit, dragging others into the crossfire is unfair, insult one not both.
Moriarte
You're missing the point of it though.
The pieces of shit don't like being conveyed as the very thing they hate.
So do it, and do it often.
Ultemus
And that has its value - calling someone out on their hate, to me, is a powerful tool. But look at from this perspective - a young individual in the crossdressing community sees this, thinks to themselves "ICE is associated with crossdressing?! I don't think I can do this anymore..." And while this is an extreme point, I'll grant you, shouldn't we try to not alienate anyone wanting to be in that community?
LostCaterpillar
If you use "gay" as an insult what you're saying is that being homosexual is a shameful thing. If you portray somebody in women's clothing or with female features as an insult what you're saying is that being a woman is a shameful thing.
You don't get to pick and choose. Either crossdressing is a perfectly acceptable choice that nobody should be ashamed of or it's an insult you use to hurt people you don't like. It can't be both.
TurtleByrdThey
that is the problem, imo. i get what it is going for, and in thier worldview it is humiliating. i do not criticize the sentiment, but just mourn that in society emasculating is seen as derogitory and humiliating.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
There's actually for a long time been a psychological study that on over 90% of instances, ridiculing bad people by emasculating offends the targeted demographic, and not the demographic used to do it. In this case cross dressers won't be offended because to them it's normal, and if their normal offends bad people then that only empowers their lifestyle. It's been shown in most cases the people uncomfortable with it end up fighting made up battles thinking it is offensive when it isnt.
LostCaterpillar
Source?
notreallyaclevername
As a queer man, I 100% support calling ICE the f-slur.
Calling them fascists or Nazis or traitors means nothing to them, they wear those names as a badge of honor. But if you imply that they're gay (or crossdressers, who aren't necessarily gay, but maga doesn't know the difference) it will upset them. And might even be enough to get them to quit
IHateApostrophes
They're comfortable being called Nazis. You ain't gonna hurt them by name calling. They only understand one thing: violence.
dingybasement350
Cool. They hate black people too. Should we also shout the n-word at them? Hurling slurs at the bad guys doesn't really hurt them but it does perpetuate the hate behind them. Even if you "Don't mean it that way.". I've had plenty of people tell me that using homophobic slurs is okay if you "don't mean it that way.". Fuck that shit. Have more respect for yourself and for the rest of us.
Pizzeption
Could change their undies to diapers as a possible alternative next time? 🤔
Kehy
I'd say yes, but I've eh into a surprising number of diaper lovers. I appreciate them as humans, but would appreciate them more if they were in another room
Mack1986
Oh fuck off