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When you don't vaccinate your child, you put them in danger as well as other children, especially those who aren't old enough to have vaccinations. If they die it's your fault, and you should be charged for it.
TheBrieMovie
Shouldn't it just be made that so it is illegal for you to not vaccinate your children unless it is detrimental to their health.
skipweasel
Manslaughter, probably.
Travelcedric
Happened in Canada. Homeopathic antivaxxers child died of a curable disease and were charged with murder.
H4RR4BE
Ya and if u do give them a vaccine and there is a side effect. You should be charged with Child Abuse.
stabbedintheface
Did you see who the US just elected? Stupid won and he's been openly against vaccinations. We're a long way from any common sense
TsengMao
Same goes for if your child infects anyone else
PhonySoprano
Not unpopular. -1
DoublevBomb
I wonder how long before people run the new unpopular opinion thing (guy surrounded by rifles) into the ground the way they have w/ puffin.
HiBrother
From Ireland- didn't even know people had the choice not to vaccinate their children until being on this website
Risqie
Or those Vegans who force their children or pets into the lifestyle and die of malnutrition.
shorsey69
Seriously... my aunt almost killed her dog like that... it should be considered abuse
Risqie
Agreed
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memberwar
I don't. It's a slippery slope argument, implying child safety is a requirement, even for Darwin Award winner types.
TheMinisterOfCommonSense
If everyone thought that, there would be no argument. Stay in school, vax the kids u want to live
AlmostRetro
Popular opinion puffin strikes again!
HippoLover85
I would not waste my tax dollars on this. If their child dying did not correct their behavior, i doubt jail time will. No one wins.
nioman86
Well at least during jail time they would most likely not be able to kill other children.
HippoLover85
well, if you would like to pay for it i won't stop you ;)
itchygowch
There probably wouldn't be any anti vaccers if they were free. I'm from uk and don't know a single one.
thatpoindexter
That would be a foolish road to go down. It ends in 1000s of new diseases being "discovered" which all have very pricey vaccines
saihtaMichigan
Would be a foolish road to go down agreed, but the rest of that statement is just moronic.
thatpoindexter
Lol. It's not my best explanation. I need more characters.
saihtaMichigan
True. Character limit ruins everything.
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
I'm pretty sure that any parent who loses a child will be in hell already, without any need for taxpayer dollars to clothe and feed them.
leodavinci1
Judgmental, black and white world view?
READBIO
I kinda agree but the law needs to be rewritten, you could get manslaughter but never murder.
BallerOctopus
Okay, but then you pass this into law and people who don't vaccinate for legitimate reasons (autoimmune deficiencies) are now criminals.
shorsey69
Anti-vaxxers make a choice. People with autoimmune deficiency, don't. This is another reason healthy people should be immunized, to 1/?
shorsey69
Protect people who can't. If a law was passed it would hopefully include a clause for people who can't be vaccinated2/2
BallerOctopus
No dude. There's always people who slip through the cracks, or don't get vaccinated in one state and move to another, or one of a million(1)
BallerOctopus
things, and then your child gets sick and you get charged with murder. So now you've lost your child, and you're going to jail. Great.
DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
It isn't murder, it is gross negligence and perhaps manslaughter.
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DudePlayinADudeDisguisedAsAnotherDude
No. Murder is unlawful killing. Killing is the taking of a life.
Occasionalfunnycomment
You are right got them mixed up.
Varenne
In some jurisdictions the two happily coalesce, gross negligence manslaughter.
TheAdventuresOfMermaidManAndBarnacleBoy
Love the tropic thunder username
MamaKin
That is ridiculous. Even people who don't vaccinate have no intention, and no anticipation, that their children should succumb to illness.
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MamaKin
Don't be stupid, making extremely unequivalent "comparisons"
twhitmeow
There is a case like this in Canada where the parents are being charged for manslaughter
melveys
No, they were charged for not treating him with antibiotics. They refused medical care and relied on homeopathic treatments.
twhitmeow
Oops, sorry! Although it was actually "failing to provide necessities of life". They are facing 5 yrs in jail
dopefruit
Yes, let's encourage giving the government power to throw us in jail if don't put certain substances into our body. Really awesome idea.
olivesalt
Same thing for fun owners whose kids get ahold of them and shoot themselves.
shorsey69
As a gun owner I agree. If you're going to have guns, have a safe
olivesalt
Gun.
zeiji
isn't it illegal to not lock up your guns ? cus if it is, then it is constructive manslaughter.
olivesalt
No. sadly, no law to lock them up.
zeiji
a bit crazy yea.
TrilobiteSushi
If a child has a reaction to a vaccination and dies, who should be criminally charged then?
leedsward
If another person's child dies because you didn't vaccinate your child, you should definitely be charged with manslaughter.
leedsward
The amount of upvotes on the first comment vs responses is ridiculous.
TheHandsomeLad
How can a vaccinated child die from something they should be immune to?
shorsey69
Vaccines aren't 100%, and most babies can't be vaccinated until they are around 1 year of age. There are also autoimmune deficiencies
bearenjewden
What if it's a child who's family is unable to afford vaccinations?
Mesonyx96
In less wealthy school districts, they vaccinate kids for free. At least in my area Idk if It's nation wide.
lovingfox
If you cant afford it wic does the essential ones free
bearenjewden
What if you're highly allergic to the vaccines
anothernewone
Well that's obviously mitigating circumstance. Which is why all other kids should be vaccinated, herd immunity and all that.
lovingfox
Then youre part of the reason the kids who can be vacinated need to be. To protect kids who cant be with herd immunity
WookieWookieWookie
That's why everyone who can be needs to be vaccinated, so we protect those kids too.
bearenjewden
That's not how allergies work though. Lol
traumajunkie
90% of my ER patients would be charged with manslaughter by this logic. I don't agree with all choices, but I respect the right to choose.
memberwar
What's odd is 99% of the comments are the opposite of yours. I fear for the future, I really do. Kids are so easily led to witchhunts.
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Sampsongetsmelifted
Finally someone who also hears the voices in my head!
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Sampsongetsmelifted
He pronounced to me that only the most sincere of words are written in blood, and therefor your only closest' blood will suffice. Literally.
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BlueKarat
That's my thing. All these almost draconic style witch hunts... you don't have to agree but people should respect the right to choose.
Munchman347
Really? And when someone decides to 'Starve the Devil' out of a child, you're OK with that choice too?. 'Oh well, it is their religion...'
traumajunkie
2/2 - I tell patients, that I'm their consultant. I'll tell you my professional opinion, but it's your choice to what you want done.
traumajunkie
I'm not okay with it at all, but it'd be a worse world when you agree to let me do whatever I want to my patients. 1/2
Munchman347
When patients already agree to treatment you do what ever is medically necessary, they don't know what's best for them.
Munchman347
...Allowing ignorance and superstition to dictate medical treatment is dangerously recidivist. The 4 humors next?...
Spongeb00bsquarepants
Well then I think feeding your child unhealthy food should be child abuse...You can't regulate people's lives like that.
CreamyGoose
Isn't depriving your children of the nutrients they need already considered child negligence?
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MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Yes you can. In my country people have been imprisoned when they refused to give their child the poliovaccin. Child was taken away.
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memberwar
did you just suggest that hardly anyone ever dies of preventable obesity which was present in childhood?
Spongeb00bsquarepants
I know. I was just trying to make the point that it's a slippery slope to make every negative outcome of someone's actions punishable :)
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RedDwarfIV
Is it a slippery slope? Or can we make decisions based on the actual situation?
MedicSailor
No fuck this post, I'm in the medical field, vaccines are a good idea, but when you start FORCING your idea of right you get Trump ect. @Op
MedicSailor
I had a patient recently who got her flu shot 1 week ago, and yesterday she tested positive for flu. There are multiple strains out there.
MedicSailor
And to continue, vaccines aren't 100% immunity or a "cure" you can still die from something you were vaccinated for.
MedicSailor
Put aside that I am PRO vaccines, fuck you if you push your opinion on others. If ppl told you how to raise your kid you would be pissed.
shorsey69
If I had an infant die because of how someone else chose to raise their kid, I would be pretty PO'd as well
MedicSailor
How would your infant die because someone else didn't vaccinate their kid? Is your infant at an infant daycare?
shorsey69
Don't have an infant... but you really do put others in danger if you aren't vaccinated. Especially those who can't be. Like infants and 1/2
shorsey69
Those with diseases keeping them from being vaccinated. When you say no to a vaccination, you take those peoples lives into your hands, 2/3
Flyndaran
The rest of us think that you don't own your children and should be jailed for killing them. I guess you're not a fan of that idea.
melveys
You can't take something that has the power to kill or seriously injure a child and say it's mandatory.There would need to be accountability
MedicSailor
Maybe if you shoot you fucking kid then yeah. But they have (and should)the right not to vaccinate them for religious or personal beliefs.
Flyndaran
Religion does not override reality no matter how hard you believe it. Refusing to prevent death because of nonsense should be criminal.
MedicSailor
Well we will never agree with each other so I'm done talking about this. I have medical training and years of experience, but you do you.
MedicSailor
I bet you don't know a single family whose kid died because someone didn't vaccinate their kid. It's a very very tiny number.
5m4llP0X
It's the same with those who "pray the illness away"
WARHAMMER405
People like that should have their parental rights terminated and be forcibly sterilized. Just my $.02.
shorsey69
I don't get that. God has answered your prayers. He gave you a vaccine...
5m4llP0X
The belief is because Satan tempted Eve with knowledge that Medicines are not god's will but that of man. Or some such bullshit.
PolarHailStorm
That's the twisted part. People who believe that believe that they are better, and more prized and deserving of God's grace. They aren't.
VagisilToothpaste
Nah dude. Scientists and doctors gave you vaccines. Give credit where it's due. Magic Sky Fairy has nothing to do with anything.
V3role
1 like = 1 prayer
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
Well there's a very noticeable line between praying for someone's recovery and not allowing someone to use western medicine on an ill 1/2
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
person because "God will do all the work" 2/2
5m4llP0X
The latter is what I am referencing. The ones who shun medicine and opt for prayer.
goodgriefyoudidnt
Had an argument with someone who states he will with-hold any medical treatment for his daughters if they ever had cancer due to his beliefs
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
Please, intervene on those children's behalf if they ever get sick. What those parents are doing is neglecting their children and not (1
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
Following god's law. Nowhere in the Bible is those actions allowed (Assuming they are Christian).
RedDwarfIV
http://time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
Many religious people will pray for someone's health and/or recovery. To allow someone to die from refusing them western medicine is (1
GeorgeHWBushsGhost
cult-like and outright cruel.
ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
Luckily, if the child is under 18 and could have been treated, it's considered neglect and manslaughter to not.
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ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
Nah, it's USA. Lots of cases where it's happened. Google some faith healer imprisonment. If it's deemed as neglect, they can be charged.
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ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
Ahh, vaccination, yeah, unfortunately. I meant general illnesses, like pneumonia, or cancer.
ihadtochangemyusernamebecauseIdrawpornasaliving
That's not to say some asshats get away with it due to lenient judges, but if it involves the death of a kid, they tend take it serious.
Theman098
"God will provide for my family" Says the drowning man telling the fisherman to take his boat to shore.
ShitsNGiggelz
I thought of that old joke as well.
Theman098
I once told it to a few fundamentalist christian friends. they didn't get it. "Well, why didn't god save him?" they said.
ShitsNGiggelz
Yup. So hard to address that worldview when it distorts all incoming information.
ProjectKurtz
I'm speechless. Shit.