Aww teddy need a middle blanket for his hurt feewings? Go back to bootlicking and skipping town when a single snowflake falls. You werent against redistricting when texas was doing it, this is all performative and you can get bent.
Whining about being beaten at your your own game with your own rules is peak spoiled-rich-brat behavior and I am absolutely here for it.
Do I wish the opposition had found their fangs earlier? Yes, of course; but I'm not going to criticize momentum now that it's finally started. WHEN not IF the corporate dems start dragging their heels, that's the time for primaries, not while the ball is first kicked towards the goal.
As a Virginian I will vote against this SO LONG as Texas and the other red states that kowtowed to Trump and ratfucked their districts revert to their original maps.
If you look at individual states and compare numbers of votes versus actual representation you'll see that Republicans have been the ones responsible for this in the vast majority of cases. Shut the fuck up, Ted, and fuck the GOP.
Republicans have fucked up so badly, there are people like me, who’ll spend the rest of their voting lives doing everything possible to punish them out of existence. And if Dems don’t fucking find their balls and actually fight back, as well as craft solid plans for the future that place the majority of American people’s needs first, they can fuck themselves too.
It's like that bit in "The Sting" where the mark gets fleeced and rages at his henchman "WTF am I supposed to do, go bitch to everyone that he cheated better than me?"
Oh no! We’re so sorry… Did we ALSO do the thing you did? And you say you don’t like it and it’s not fair? Huh… But you still say it’s okay that YOU did it. Interesting… It’s almost like you’re a crybaby bitch, just like every other member of your party.
Go back to Cancun, Ted. That’s what you do whenever your job requires actual work, isn’t it?
Does Ted Cruz know that he's a US Senator and can propose a new law that prohibits gerrymandering? The Supreme Court said gerrymandering was not unconstitutional, but they didn't say that a federal law prohibiting gerrymandering would be unconstitutional. Whip the votes and do it, Senator.
The moment the Democrats gain more from gerrymandering than the Republicans do, he'll suddenly be all for ending gerrymandering. Just for the Democrats, though.
He'll still be totally cool with Republicans doing it and will try to wiggle exceptions for cases that benefit the GOP into any bill meant to end it.
Remember that the district gerrymandering republicans have been doing is ON TOP of the structural advantages they have that give similar over-representation.
1. The senate. Every state gets 2, regardless of population. Most of the small pop states are red. 2. House is capped at 435 seats. So no matter how much bigger a blue state might be/get, it cant have the same ratio of pop to rep as a small red state. 3. Electoral College we all know. Idaho's votes count 13.5x more than California.
4. Prison gerrymandering. Prisoners are counted as population for the congressional district they are being held in. Prisons are usually in rural, red districts. Red states have MUCH higher prison populations per capita. It's very easy to gerrymander when you know where there's a town-sized population and not a single one of them can vote.
I think the normal strategy of "propose lunatic bill to get votes, but don't actually do it" just ran up against "take this whole thing seriously and do the legwork" strategy.
Sort of but not really? Texas passed their redistricting bill and a bunch of red States started doing the legal legwork to do their own.
The problem for the GOP is that they've been heavily relying on redistricting for decades, so there's not much redistricting left for them to do.
On the other hand, the Democrats largely stayed away from the tactic (except in a couple of cases to help minorities gain representation). There's still a lot of low hanging fruit available to them.
The funny part is the GOP gerrymandering based on 2024 is backfiring because they had one-time boosts in demographics that now hate their guts, so they've actually lost themselves future seats
Yep and at least one red state recognized this and refused to implement the new maps being pushed by party leadership. Most people on here treated it like a win, that some republicans were finally doing the right thing, but actually they just weren't as dumb as the leadership.
Hah! That's a Tullymander. Named after James Tully, an Irish minister who redrew a bunch of 4 and 5 constituencies into 3 seats so the governments small lead in the polls would result in winning 2 out of 3 seats instead of 2 out of 4. However, since this was obviously shady, popular opinion turned and the opposition went into the election with a small majority resulting in a landslide. After that fuckup Ireland did away with Gerrymandering and created an independent body to draw boundaries.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
The more I think about it, the less it makes sense to me that districts are geographical. I get that some gerrymandering is done w/ good intentions of grouping together minorities, but if you eliminate all districts those groups still have a voice
If there is a geographical location that is being ignored, then that location can unite get a their own seat.
Will it work? Hell no. B/c current old school politicians don't want to give up power and too many Americans are too damn lazy.
I don't think the issue is geographically based districts, but how those districts are drawn. The big thing is we need to stop having politicians be able to pick their voters and either do it algorithmically, or by a selection committee or similar
If it is about representation in Government, let the representation be based upon my political views / concerns. Let me vote along side someone who lives on the opposite end of my state
Remove all district lines and now you've removed the possibility of politicians picking who votes for them
We already base representation upon political views, that's what parties are for. Putting aside that all of this would require amendments or massive re-writes of our Constitution, the main issue with basing it on that or other concerns (such as job or demographic) is that people don't fit into nice neat little uniform boxes. Someone who is a farmer is also a small business owner, who might also be a person of color. People can also shift from group to group, that famer might go bankrupt ...
District based representation was supposed to make sense as your local congressperson would understand your local issues and get the potholes filled. As district shapes have become more insane, and travel across distances has becomes easier, representation at large makes more and more sense
I get that during the horse and buggy days that would make sense. But in the 21st century I'd rather be able to vote for someone who cares about my specific issues than someone that happens to live near me. Geography is kinda stupid, let me combine my voice w/ someone who lives in my state 3-5 hours away that has same concerns.
Yep. And our democracy would be better if we moved beyond just 2 parties. Voters are being played like puppets w/ a 2 party system. You can easily have multiple micro-parties that are focused on different issues like business, education, guns, farms, etc. Voters vote for the issue(s) that most impacts them and then those smaller micro-parties can caucus together in the capital. It is a win for democracy, which is why it won't happen. People in power want to keep their power.
Repugnantcunts: "only us only us only us! everything you want is wrong, we're right about everything no matter what, all your money is ours, we get cuts in line, boooo other people, I win or else, wahhhhhhh"
Jimthebutler
Aww teddy need a middle blanket for his hurt feewings? Go back to bootlicking and skipping town when a single snowflake falls. You werent against redistricting when texas was doing it, this is all performative and you can get bent.
hwatL4bloopy
They gerrymandered the wrong way and got screwed
DarthWaiterSE
Whining about being beaten at your your own game with your own rules is peak spoiled-rich-brat behavior and I am absolutely here for it.
Do I wish the opposition had found their fangs earlier? Yes, of course; but I'm not going to criticize momentum now that it's finally started. WHEN not IF the corporate dems start dragging their heels, that's the time for primaries, not while the ball is first kicked towards the goal.
SilverFoxChaser
So busy being loud they forgot the simple truth that there's more of us than them.
Lampmonster
Who is Ted Cruz? Oh, you mean Rafael?
whitey211
Everyone liked that.
StellarJay77
Rafael Cruz being all butt hurt because Democrats start playing by their rules is just *Chefs Kiss*. "Fuck your feelings ol' Teddy boy!"
KoalaOnTheJuice
Fighting back. Finally. Because if they don't then there'll be nothing left to fight for.
AyatollahBahloni
Virginia did the good thing.
Sabz5150
As a Virginian I will vote against this SO LONG as Texas and the other red states that kowtowed to Trump and ratfucked their districts revert to their original maps.
For Texas, they actually might want that.
Baconlovesyoutoo
51% of Virginians support redistricting. Spanberger's just following the orders of the residents.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
Shut up, rafael
normalizebeingalone
This better not start the process of violent swings from right to left. Rather than the mild to progressively more violent swings
Cornchip2000
If you look at individual states and compare numbers of votes versus actual representation you'll see that Republicans have been the ones responsible for this in the vast majority of cases. Shut the fuck up, Ted, and fuck the GOP.
theomni
#2 So VA was a brazen abuse of power, but TX was just a normal amount of abuse of power I guess? Where's the line between normal and brazen?
tzahtman
I do not like that man Ted Cruz
Bigemedic
Funny how they never spoke out about it before.
300Hectares1TankofKerosene
Republicans have fucked up so badly, there are people like me, who’ll spend the rest of their voting lives doing everything possible to punish them out of existence. And if Dems don’t fucking find their balls and actually fight back, as well as craft solid plans for the future that place the majority of American people’s needs first, they can fuck themselves too.
slightlybrokenegg
Sounds like a skill issue Ted
Filanwizard
Hey Ted, there is an old saying. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
If you do not like gerrymandering then propose laws to ban it.
Shoutrr
"it's unfair when our opponent wins, it's fair when we win, because we rigged everything so it should be our win"
OhIfIMust
It's like that bit in "The Sting" where the mark gets fleeced and rages at his henchman "WTF am I supposed to do, go bitch to everyone that he cheated better than me?"
CorvidPrime
Oh no! We’re so sorry… Did we ALSO do the thing you did? And you say you don’t like it and it’s not fair? Huh… But you still say it’s okay that YOU did it. Interesting… It’s almost like you’re a crybaby bitch, just like every other member of your party.
Go back to Cancun, Ted. That’s what you do whenever your job requires actual work, isn’t it?
jursamaj
Laguna Beach for this last storm, but yeah.
Spanky93
What are you going to do with that hmmmm? Remove the Orange blight
TheJuiceLoosener
Does Ted Cruz know that he's a US Senator and can propose a new law that prohibits gerrymandering? The Supreme Court said gerrymandering was not unconstitutional, but they didn't say that a federal law prohibiting gerrymandering would be unconstitutional. Whip the votes and do it, Senator.
LoudBirb
The moment the Democrats gain more from gerrymandering than the Republicans do, he'll suddenly be all for ending gerrymandering. Just for the Democrats, though.
He'll still be totally cool with Republicans doing it and will try to wiggle exceptions for cases that benefit the GOP into any bill meant to end it.
ItsATrap
Remember that the district gerrymandering republicans have been doing is ON TOP of the structural advantages they have that give similar over-representation.
1. The senate. Every state gets 2, regardless of population. Most of the small pop states are red.
2. House is capped at 435 seats. So no matter how much bigger a blue state might be/get, it cant have the same ratio of pop to rep as a small red state.
3. Electoral College we all know. Idaho's votes count 13.5x more than California.
Svartsinn
4. Prison gerrymandering. Prisoners are counted as population for the congressional district they are being held in. Prisons are usually in rural, red districts. Red states have MUCH higher prison populations per capita. It's very easy to gerrymander when you know where there's a town-sized population and not a single one of them can vote.
ItsATrap
Good call! I didn't even think of that one.
malakim
Weird how they dislike it when the others do it.
Skywatcher16
because thats what conservatism is about. "we get to do whatever we want, but nobody else does."
FermentTheRich3000
That's the core of conservatism. The rules protect but dont bind us, while the rules bind but dont protect others. They're just special.
BarnegatLight
Rules for thee, Rights for me!
Columbus43219
I think the normal strategy of "propose lunatic bill to get votes, but don't actually do it" just ran up against "take this whole thing seriously and do the legwork" strategy.
jursamaj
As I understand it, GOP actually did it in Texas, which was the start of this. Did it poorly, yes, but they did it.
LoudBirb
Sort of but not really? Texas passed their redistricting bill and a bunch of red States started doing the legal legwork to do their own.
The problem for the GOP is that they've been heavily relying on redistricting for decades, so there's not much redistricting left for them to do.
On the other hand, the Democrats largely stayed away from the tactic (except in a couple of cases to help minorities gain representation). There's still a lot of low hanging fruit available to them.
Skywatcher16
even worse: the democrats were actively moving away from it due to an ideological dislike of the concept. meaning that many of the GOPs
Skywatcher16
recent gains come from democrats willingly taking an L they didnt hafta, and are now undoing that in addition to fighting back
MarkSoupial
The funny part is the GOP gerrymandering based on 2024 is backfiring because they had one-time boosts in demographics that now hate their guts, so they've actually lost themselves future seats
ReverseSyzygy
https://politicaldictionary.com/words/dummymander/
sofako41404
Yep and at least one red state recognized this and refused to implement the new maps being pushed by party leadership. Most people on here treated it like a win, that some republicans were finally doing the right thing, but actually they just weren't as dumb as the leadership.
gallowglacht
Hah! That's a Tullymander. Named after James Tully, an Irish minister who redrew a bunch of 4 and 5 constituencies into 3 seats so the governments small lead in the polls would result in winning 2 out of 3 seats instead of 2 out of 4. However, since this was obviously shady, popular opinion turned and the opposition went into the election with a small majority resulting in a landslide. After that fuckup Ireland did away with Gerrymandering and created an independent body to draw boundaries.
JustFeedMePieDammit
Hell yeah
Clockworkdancerobot
Ted Cruz seems tushy troubled.
RipThemUpRatchet
His mouth was tired
DarkSock
Butt-bothered, if you will…
SirenBrick
Cancun sand in his crack im betting.
Iaimtomisbehave
Lol, they caught him flying out to Laguna Beach just before the last ice storm we had so he came back to Texas, again.
SavageDrums
It's from all the dildos.
Sage042000
Then he should get some advice from Lindsey Graham. I heard his tushy can handle everything you throw at it.
DarkSock
#ladybugs
middlenameconfusion
You mean he's fanny flustered?
DarkSock
Bum-Befuddled...?
Marikhen
He got rectum-ruffled.
DarkSock
Arse-Angered?
HollerinAtTheVoid
Rafael
Sticklebrickk
From the Dominican Republic
MattScifiBandit
Either gerrymandering is allowed, or its not. Make up your mind Ted
1eventHorizon9
Without double standards they'd have no standards at all.
sofako41404
They are consistent in their beliefs that they can do whatever they fuck they want including tell everyone else thay can't do the same things they do.
marsilies
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
tavisno
Its only allowed for team red, as we have seen only red gets to take advantage or break rules.
bobthefunny
Hilarious that he even brags about Texas' repub power play in the SAME tweet...
seehemewe
Get rid of districts all together.
Vote for platforms not a district. Let people that have shared political views be able to caucus together anywhere within a state.
If VA has 11 seats and 18% of voters are farmers, then farming platform gets 2 seats.
If small business owners make up 9% of voters, then small business platform gets 1 seat.
If 35% of voters are perverts obsesses with looking in people's underwear before allowing them to use a public bathroom, then MAGA gets 4 seats.
seehemewe
The more I think about it, the less it makes sense to me that districts are geographical. I get that some gerrymandering is done w/ good intentions of grouping together minorities, but if you eliminate all districts those groups still have a voice
If there is a geographical location that is being ignored, then that location can unite get a their own seat.
Will it work? Hell no. B/c current old school politicians don't want to give up power and too many Americans are too damn lazy.
B3N15
I don't think the issue is geographically based districts, but how those districts are drawn. The big thing is we need to stop having politicians be able to pick their voters and either do it algorithmically, or by a selection committee or similar
seehemewe
Can it be both?
If it is about representation in Government, let the representation be based upon my political views / concerns. Let me vote along side someone who lives on the opposite end of my state
Remove all district lines and now you've removed the possibility of politicians picking who votes for them
B3N15
We already base representation upon political views, that's what parties are for. Putting aside that all of this would require amendments or massive re-writes of our Constitution, the main issue with basing it on that or other concerns (such as job or demographic) is that people don't fit into nice neat little uniform boxes. Someone who is a farmer is also a small business owner, who might also be a person of color. People can also shift from group to group, that famer might go bankrupt ...
SpamYarBlockers
District based representation was supposed to make sense as your local congressperson would understand your local issues and get the potholes filled. As district shapes have become more insane, and travel across distances has becomes easier, representation at large makes more and more sense
seehemewe
I get that during the horse and buggy days that would make sense. But in the 21st century I'd rather be able to vote for someone who cares about my specific issues than someone that happens to live near me. Geography is kinda stupid, let me combine my voice w/ someone who lives in my state 3-5 hours away that has same concerns.
eronth
Should probably be a proportional representation. Party with 60% of the vote gets roughly 60% of the representative seats.
seehemewe
Yep. And our democracy would be better if we moved beyond just 2 parties. Voters are being played like puppets w/ a 2 party system. You can easily have multiple micro-parties that are focused on different issues like business, education, guns, farms, etc. Voters vote for the issue(s) that most impacts them and then those smaller micro-parties can caucus together in the capital. It is a win for democracy, which is why it won't happen. People in power want to keep their power.
eronth
Moving beyond 2 parties requires a different voting system than current.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Repugnantcunts: "only us only us only us! everything you want is wrong, we're right about everything no matter what, all your money is ours, we get cuts in line, boooo other people, I win or else, wahhhhhhh"
catlovermrvaca
First time I’ve seen an actual accurate word for word rendition of their party line.
PineappleLoopsBroether
The short version of R mentality: “I’m right, you’re wrong… I win, you lose”
schmonday
Don't forget the "or else"
Daliena06
"Heads I win, tails you lose"
PineappleLoopsBroether
That's a real coin.