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FP Edit: never forget, never repeat. Political parties will always change to stay in power, blaming one party now for what it did 80 years ago while ignoring what the other party did 40 years ago is counterproductive. The trick is to fund the people who are on the right side of history and vote for the regardless of party.
spacemanspiff1218
The internment camps should not be forgotten or they will be repeated. the executive order is still in effect and could happen again
Whitebromyalgia
Classic FDR
DudaciousJustDudacious
Many people heard of this, but few have heard of the Niihau incident right after Pearl Harbor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident
TheMysticalWarrior
It was a smart move.
Kamadantlufftwaffle
Franklin D. Roosevelt executive order 9066
Devils29
Feb 19th also the anniversary of Iwo Jima. Remember that too
ShibiSF
My dad & some of my aunts & uncles were in camps in California & Wyoming. It's sad/scary memories for many of them as they were just kids.
squirreltactics
You left out the part that they weren't all of Japanese decent. Sometimes it was simply for being from any Asian background.
bigblackbetty
I wonder what they did with Americans that lived in Japan?
Mouse314
Umm it wasnt just because they looked like the enemy. It was because the Japanese had been planting spies among immigrants for years prior.
clem2270
how about citing some sources for your info.
TooDumbForRickandMorty
Good news, my uncle is in a widely published textbook. Bad news, its a picture of him in an internment camp
Siegmier1
Fort Minor has a good song about this
TheRedComet27
Happened to my grandfather. Was interned down in the Southwest. He then enlisted and went and fought in Italy
cyanideslushie
While totally wrong, I wonder what would have happened to many of them had they not been interned. Tensions were very high and there 1/2
cyanideslushie
Could have easily been riots and attacks on Japanese Americans. I think FDR did what he thought would ease public tension and keep the -cont
cyanideslushie
Public as peaceful and focused on the war as possible. People underestimate the animosity and deep seated racial divide of the time
QuitLookinAtMineAim
Yeah, we took all their land, property etc. and locked them up. After the war we didn't give any of the stuff back. Super awesome, go team
SergioFonzarelli
I think I read somewhere that they got back about 10 cents for every dollar taken.
QuitLookinAtMineAim
This could be true, idk, but who decided what their stuff was worth? I know they didn't get 10% of their actual stuff back
Hufflestuffer
But traffic accidents plummeted to an all time low.
oceanside11
o.O! Made me chuckle.
inolongercareaboutthis
Don’t you mean _.—
alexkkimber
I’m Japanese and I approve this comment.
ieattacotrucks
rainballs
Who is that
ieattacotrucks
Idk they all look alike to me.
NamelessFacelessAverageJoe
ComplexSystemsGuy
Happy Family Day!
ThisGuyHere
My grandfather, who just recently passed away at the age of 101, said "That was the biggest crock. It were good American people they took."
IamTheBaron
Executive Order 9066: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066
onadatewithanak
Yes my lord!
DaveByTheBell
Execute order nine thousand sixty-six
muckinpattis
Do it.
spicepoet
The forced sale of their property and belongings, and the vultures who preyed upon that. Made carpetbagging look like charity
LightStriker
It's as if scapegoating an entire population was wrong. Crazy how we never learn from history.
lucivjov
served as great inspiration to Imperial Order 66
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
Do you have sauce? I’d believe it if I believed Lucas put any thought whatsoever into the prequels
igivetheinternets
I think you can see it in the pre drafts that were posted to imgur
igivetheinternets
Of episode 4 i meant, not prequels. So the 1970s
Moizsh10
Lucas did put quite a bit of thought into the prequels, especially episode 3. It's just that he's such a god awful director that so few 1/2
Moizsh10
Got any of what he was trying to get across to the audience 2/2
xrufus7x
It wasn't so much that he didn't put thought in as his inability to execute those thoughts well on film.
supersomatic
Remember that the world is complicated. You aren't the moral superior, you're just the winner.
freekinfigetaboutit2
Didn't that include George Takei?
EZMONEY98
OH MY
ShibiSF
My dad & our family was in camp with uncle George & his family.
plsnosteal
MikeMcAwesome91
Mrw I'm in a prison camp with George takei
SnowInkling
Iirc, David Suzuki was also affected by this.
sunyudai
Aye, if you get the chance to watch "Allegiance", I suggest you do.
FuckinDoneWithThisShit
he'll never let you forget about it
PapaStromboli
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it
MonkeyFist29
It’ll be repeated even if people remember it. Fear is a powerful thing. And the people protesting against it will be a very small group.
LouPole101
As he should.
takingupspace
Just like the Jews won't just get over the whole Holocaust thing. Come on. It's the past, man. /s
RyoumiyaHaru
He also did an TedEd Talk about it too.
CoffinFullOfPudding
It was pretty moving.
Gayforbae
Yes, also linkin park member Mike shinoda's family. He made a song about it called Kenji.
progressorstatusquo
Yea kenji is an intense song
CrazyCatLad
The talking portions add extra punch
CrazyCatLad
Yeah love that song...a few rhymes are a bit forced but otherwise love it.
beachbum273
@Gayforbae @jph399 thanks I hadn't heard this one. Definitely intense.
IZ42
One of the few songs from that group that I just enjoy. It's spectacularly written and performed and has emotional punch behind it.
thesixfingerman
Yes, it did. I first learned about this by reading his biography
alsoAzrael
Wait, when was this? Because we were taught about this pretty early on in school.
thesixfingerman
Fifth grade, I think. So, 96 or 97
alsoAzrael
Oh, okay. Never mind, I guess I thought you were older.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
From Michigan here. I'm pretty sure we didn't learn about this in school, or if anything it was a very small footnote.
LoneWanderer101
Also from Michigan. It was mentioned. Plenty of times it depends on your teacher
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
I live in California now, and my understanding from friends who grew up here is they do a much better job teaching it here
eagleandy93
from TX. We didn't even cover WW2, except as Hitler killed Jews, US won war. The WRCs were a dark time, but I can understand the decisions
eagleandy93
behind the order. They didn't know who was a spy, either willing or not.
theycallmemrfish
Seriously? You didn't learn this in school?
thesixfingerman
It got mentioned briefly in high school, but that was after I had read the book.
EmporioIvankov
Internment wasn't mentioned but once at my schools and I went to decent fucking schools. Shit's fucky.
BoltActionGearbox
This was not in my American education, but "Columbus discovered America" was.
Septiformus
Shit, I forgot
chimchim666
dude
TygrF
Forgot what?
ArthurMorgan1863
About Dre
ArbitraryAlpaca
Nowadays everybody talks like they got something to say
RulesOfImgur
Starwars 8 was a good sequel to the franchise and really built up very well to the upcoming episode 9.
ArbitraryAlpaca
But nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish. Motherfuckers acting like they forgot about Dre.
Crymson831
To remember
humblegrumblebee
To forget you
1337pi107
The Alamo
Elroydb
Also this was upheld by the Supreme Court and is currently a power that can Constitutionally be used
Corrodias
I'd like to think the modern judges would rule differently on that. With Trump, we may get to find out soon enough.
Elroydb
Without a doubt. But they'd need standing to sue :/
MidlandRedux
That's why we need to vote the right wing whack jobs out of office. At this point, its half the republican caucus.
Elroydb
I just find it odd saying we have to stop conservatives from abusing an order from a Progressive president affirmed by a Progressive court
MidlandRedux
An irony of history, isn't it? But, Roosevelt was in the middle of a world war with Japan. The conservatives are mostly just bigots.
MidlandRedux
. . . Bigots, and corrupt hacks promoting hatred and fear to cover for their looting the treasury.
Elroydb
Little late to plunder the treasury but the latest budget was grotesque to put it politely
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
It wasn't just Japanese either, but nobody talks about that
justhinkin
Relative in navy on liberty ships , always with German American crews cause they were expendable if sunk
kJerAFK
It's because, and lets be serious now, the authorities couldn't tell the difference between a german/russian and an american by look.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
That's true. That's 100% why the numbers were higher in Japanese
causality
Nobody also talks about the Nihau Incident that got the ball rolling on the internment camps.
causality
A terrible overreaction to be sure, but not one that took place in a vacuum.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Amen
DeepSeaAstronaut
Italians received much the same treatment
BattloidKouji
Germans were rounded up if they had suspicions of working with the enemy. Japanese were rounded up because of their race. (1)
ColossalTitan
Weren't Italians rounded up as well?
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Yes, based on naturalization status. Italian-born,non-naturalized immigrants along with Italian diplomats & business travelers were interned
BattloidKouji
Still not great, but definitely a big difference. (2)
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
True true
thatsnotmydog
Had relatives that spoke German and Eng during the war. The big joke was to put them all in one army unit and have them fight other Germans
Hadespuppy
It was as much about seizing land and property as it was about imagined threats. Prior to WWII, a lot of farmland in Cali was Japanese owned
Hadespuppy
Conveniently that land suddenly became available for white farmers once the internment camps were set up
Madethisusernameforonereason
The land grab notice is evinced by how much land the government gave back.
Madethisusernameforonereason
*motive
knightperson
could you cite that?
yifin
It was a bit harder to round up Germans.
MordorGate
They still did it though, because a town near me used to be called German Valley but it got changed to Long Valley
franzzegerman
Especially since about 1/4 of americans have at least partial german ancestry.
DesignationR
Who else?
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
People of German and Italian descent but in smaller numbers.
CritterMazes
Italians, my family could not leave Santa Clara county (California USA) until the war was over
dogenuggets
Not trying to be anything but serious but we're they held in captivity or just kept in their normal vicinity?
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Italian immigrants who had not yet gone through naturalization were interned, along with Italian business travelers. 1,881 persons in total.
hellomynameispissoff
Not to downplay your family's experience, but that's not the same as going to an interment camp. Still bad though.
zzzb
Didn't other ethnicities actually have to be tied to some sort of illegal activity first though? Hence smaller numbers? Honest question
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Or incredibly suspicious
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
It was based on birth country & naturalization status. Only non-naturalized residents were interned (1881 Italian- & 2048 German-born ppl).
allthingsgreatandsmall
Agreed, my German immigrant grandparents were forcibly placed in an internment camp.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Thousands more were investigated & interrogated. All German-born residents had to register, carry papers at all times & report changes of...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
residence or employment. Still rather tame compared to the entirely ethnicity-based internment of at least 110,000 Japanese Americans.
Necrothean
My Czech uncles were all discharged from the Army, two of them had 10 years at the time. They weren't suspected of anything.
Necrothean
They and others were told that they had once sworn fealty to the royalty of a country we were at war with so have a nice day.
Necrothean
They also told stories of family in Arizona that lost their businesses and ended up in the same camps in AZ and CA w/ Japanese Americans.
NinjaSamurai427
My grandmother was in one of these camps while my grandfather fought in the war defending the people who put her there
Munchman347
I would think he was also defending her...
ElectricOwl99
Did he also teach a boy karate
Montana6606
Never forget, every country has done things its not proud of.
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
That's the important thing to remember lest we forget. I hate when ppl say I'm moving to this utopia because I hate it here and I am ashamed
IZ42
And we should apologize for them and try to make right.
SomethingsNotQuiteRight
I am not my country. I won't apologise for something I didn't do.
ManMashine
Why apologize for what our generations hasn't done? Making sure history won't repeat itself is what we should do instead.
IZ42
I wasn't saying the individual. I was saying the government.
ABanana4Scale
My 8th grade class wrote letters to the Florida legislature to add a Fred Korematsu day. Fred was forced to leave his home, even though 1/2
UnkindledOne
Didn't they also name a training simulation in Star Trek after that guy?
wolfman492
Thank you for sharing... I have never heard of him before, but after reading a little of what he did look forward to learning more
atlienk
That is a great story! Here’s the wiki article about him: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Korematsu?wprov=sfti1
somewhatwiseguy
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rapetron4000
Fred was a good dude
DurendaI
I think whether Fred being a good or bad person should not matter when civil rights come into play. But yes, I am sure he was.
ThereIsAJifForThat
He was a one eyed cat, and his owners loved him. But his evil grandmother was allergic to cats. 2/2
Titsonthewing
There is a place in Palm Beach called the Morikami museum and Japanese gardens. It was once a pineapple farm owned by a Japanese American.
giveitarestalready
The elementary school in my district is named after Fred Korematsu! (I love California.)
igivetheinternets
He was the guy who fought it in court right?
BingleyBingleyBeep
Civil Rights? /a/6YjIT
Helmacon
There it is. The stupidest thing I'll read today.
IZ42
Carlin isn't the genius people hold him up to be. He's a simply a comedian that says controversial shit for shiggles.
ZachariasWolfe
I don't think that person understand the usage of the word rights in this context
Jaeto
Lol, that's George Carlin, pretty famous comedian, although I'm guessing long before your time.
ZachariasWolfe
So being a famous comedian means that you can just pretend words mean different things when trying to speak seriously?
Jaeto
No. But it does mean you have to understand the nuances of speech and look for the underlying messages within the intended context.
Jaeto
Wow, everyone's kinda missing the point. +1 B^3
igivetheinternets
Most people do not understand what rights are
donkeymoney
Civil War?
sumowoman
That's stupid. A person's life can be taken away, and with that logic it means we don't have the right to live. It's a priviledge...
shortbuswastaken
Living in and of itself isn't a privilege or right imo, it's an accident. You didn't choose to be alive, you were the sperm that took.
igivetheinternets
If we give the govt the power to take someone's life then is it still a right? Rights only apply to governments. With other people you hope
igivetheinternets
they follow the same values as you and help uphold rights.
ABanana4Scale
He was an American citizen. when the day became official, Fred's daughter came to visit our school as a thank you.
SaucyDisses
Beautiful +1
thesixfingerman
I hope it meant something to her.
DerpNerpem
Well I don't think they would have forced her to go say thx
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Lol, I see what you did there
SaraFourImgur
Not with that attitude they didn't
dnusc09
I'm always curious to know how the American POW camps were during WWII. You never really hear about them unlike Germany and Japan
ManMashine
There is a lot untold stuff about the Rheinwiesen Lager POW camps where the Allied literally slaughtered thousands of German POWs.
MidlandRedux
It's "untold" because its not true.
mulligylan
There's a reason you hear about Japan and Germany's camps. US had bad ones, but not on that level. Watch Ken Burn's the War.
barnwolf
The complaint I heard is that while the Japanese Americans were gone, their neighbors stole all their shit. They lost their businesses ect.
MidlandRedux
The prisoners in the United States and Canada were treated quite well. Well fed, well housed, very few escapes. They let them work . . .
MidlandRedux
. . . Outside the camps on day passes if they weren't Nazis. A number of them immigrated to the US and Canada after the war.
Stellarlabs
Yea... you only hear about the Axis camps because they didn't want you joining the Axis. To convince you that they are the "bad guys."
dnusc09
True that
ebonybutterfree
DrKriegersClone
I mean, they weren't, say, testing biological weapons on the prisoners like Japan did with theirs.
ManMashine
"Men behind the Sun". However the historical accuracy of the film is VERY questionable.
axpersic
Unit 731 wasn't tried as war criminals but were saved by the US becazse of their """"vast knowledge and valuable research""""
BlackPengu
Who where they? Scientists?
axpersic
Yes specialising in vivisection, amputation, deseases and turning biological mass into soap and buttons.
BlackPengu
and building rockets for the space race and shit
Fahargo
Germans and Americans treated each other fairly well with POW. Russians and germans treated POWs terribly. Russians had a 1/2
JStengah
Germans did try to identify any Jewish Americans to be separated and sent to concentration camps. One of the few US Righteous Among Nations
JStengah
Was Roddie Edmonds, who had all the US troops pull an "I am Spartacus" moment when only the Jewish American troops were ordered to assemble.
CrazyCatLad
I just started that series last night...again.
Fahargo
Reason at least. Germans massacred their countrymen
HistoricalContext
The German war against the French, British, and the US was a war of conquest. The war against the Russians was a war of extermination.
Peeknee
Did the same in Canada
dekket
Yea but I bet they said please.
Noob3rts
Exactly this. I'm not sure what lengths other countries handled this after the war, but Canada was a dick and tried to send as many home as
Noob3rts
(2) they could.
SnowInkling
The Canadian government refused to give the homes that belonged to Japanese-Canadians back to them after WWII. A lot of their (1/?)
SnowInkling
Belongings were also sold by the Canadian government. Also iirc it wasn’t until the ‘80’s when Canada paid reparations to the families (2/?)
SnowInkling
Affected by the decision made during WWII. I’m not sure if Japanese-Americans were given their homes back though immediately after. (3/3)
sillybananas
wow I didn't know that
rspqj
Canada imprisoned folks who were of German and Austrian descent. The camp was close to Lake Louise. Pretty interesting
willywonkalikedmychocolate
Also took away guns from farmers of the same
36roentgen
I’m sure they said sorry for it afterwards
RandalierBear
They did not untill 1988, that is the whole issue. One of the few times canadians were more dickish than the US.
DoublevBomb
It was pretty bad here too, people forget. Times have changed though, people of an Asian background now make up ~14% of our population.
3654798521
as a middle eastern, I'm still awaiting something like this to happen again....
nipplepanties
I did not know that. Is it hushed or just not widely spoken about?
MeatyClawz
I was thought it in highcool in one of the worst states for education. Not hushed or anything just glanced over.
MFuzzySmock
No it's taught in Canadian history classes.
SnowInkling
The “Dear Canada” novels also speak about Canada’s past. In this case, The book Torn Apart does a good job painting what exactly (1/2)
SnowInkling
Japanese-Canadians went through during WWII, even putting historical facts in the books too in hopes of educating readers
WasThatAkward
Jasarg
Hugged the wrong guy.
KLUSTENATOR
lmao
WhattaYaLookingFor
And therefore ... the US had the right to do what they did? This post is not about them. But the number of upvotes you got tell a story!
FireBreathingStockBroker
What are you talking about?? I didn't know this was also done in Canada. It is good to know.
CigaretteMan
They were also kept interned until 1949 in Canada, whereas US camps were in the process of closing even before WW2 ended
CigaretteMan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment
mrstanuki
My ex father in law was born in a Japanese interment camp near peachland b.c. :/
ImjurJiffer
It was a knee jerk reaction to Pearl harbor 'attack'. But know, it wasn't horrible forced labor situation lik a Jewish concentration camp.
ReadySetBake
I'm sure living in the desert for 4 years was a life long dream of theirs. No healthcare & lack of basic services was on their bucket lists.
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
Also wasnt knee jerk, the BC government had been against Asians living in BC for awhile. They feared their "domination" in certain 1/3
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
Industries such as logging and fishing and had already issued bills limiting the licenses issued to non-caucasians and limited the 2/3
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
Amount of Japanese allowed to immigrate. The tensions go back 60 years before Pearl harbor. 3/3
internetspaceshipsareseriousbusiness
Actually a lot of Japanese men want to road camps to build sections of highway.
igivetheinternets
But their businesses and land were stolen on top of unjust detention
ImjurJiffer
In 1948 a law passed providing reimbursement for property losses to those interned. And in '88 20k USD to survivors of the camps I've read
ReadySetBake
That's not very useful to the poor souls who died in the camps.
MonkeyFist29
Well that just makes everything okay then.
ImjurJiffer
It doesn't, but it's an admission of wrong doing
yorhuckleberry
I did not know that.
IamTheBaron
http://www.histori.ca/peace/page.do?pageID=279
DanOrtega
Mexico too. Stripped germans of properties in Chiapas, took away everything from japanese in central Mexico.
accountforsexstuff13
didnt they do some fucked concentration camp shit in Canada with native Americans or Russians... or both?
giitsok
Not totally concentration camps but they still have reserves. Initially made so they weren't allowed to leave without written permission
ItsSevii
We imprisoned japanese canadians in vancouver
IusallypoopwhileImonhere
I think you mean the work camps for axis soil soldiers. Yes they did. My baba told me that they had a bid red circle on there uniforms pt1
IusallypoopwhileImonhere
As a target for the guards
Ratman72
Russians weren't axis soldiers
IusallypoopwhileImonhere
No it was mostly Germans but early on Russia was on the other side
Ratman72
That's not accurate. The soviets were never aligned against the Allied powers at any time during ww 2. There were not any soviet pows.
mirhagk
There was the residential schools for native Americans. Not quite concentration level but certainly not the countries proudest moment
SnoBored
We did also imprison japanese canadians
mirhagk
Yep. And turned away the boat full of Jews as well. Always remember that racism was global, not just one country doing something bad
mirhagk
And tbh I should say is. The way Jews were viewed in the 30s is not far from the way afghanis or syrians are viewed nowadays
YaHeardTurdFerguson
I am an aboriginal woman from Canada. The residential schools in Canada were prisons and havens for sexual abuse and violence. My people
YaHeardTurdFerguson
Lost their culture and in many cases their names. Then in the 60's aboriginal children were taken from their families because aboriginal
YaHeardTurdFerguson
People were not deemed fit to raise their own children. This is often referred to as the "60s scoop" . My grandmother and mother were both
Holdmyhectocotylus
The death rate in those "schools" was the same death rate as soldiers in WW1, almost 25% if I remember right. In some cases the children 1/2
Holdmyhectocotylus
We're locked in sheds outside in the winter naked and left there to freeze to death. They were bad. Incredibly so. 2/2
Holdmyhectocotylus
Were* locked in sheds. Damn autocorrect
Holdmyhectocotylus
I way over shot and got the war wrong, here's some sauce, 1 in 25 kids, 1 in 26 soldiers https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3096185
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Exactly. People try to make America out as a demon for this. No one's hands are clean.
WhattaYaLookingFor
So? We are talking about the Us here. Playing the cowboy with the white hat, just for the public. My grampa was a Nazi, so?
RealNormMacDonald
You miss the point homie.
yifin
No, they just want us to remember the good & the bad. Learn from our mistakes & grow as a people.
KnightOwl23
My hands a clean, i just washed them
thesixfingerman
:(
repairbills
We said we're sorry for that!
TotallyHappyCustomer
There's a Fort Minor song called Kenji about this
toxichorsepucky
The Rising Tied is massively underappreciated.
2intimeofwar
Good song too
TotallyHappyCustomer
Fantastic song
MFuzzySmock
Yep. And we learn about it every year on our day of rememberance. I'm glad that it's acknowledged.
Nobody7713
It's taught in elementary school too, I learned it in the 7th grade.
ineffablyintangible
I thought the title was "never forget" ha...says alot if youre "learning about it every year"
MFuzzySmock
I get the joke but you could’ve worded that way better.
ineffablyintangible
Same for you
MFuzzySmock
Unlike your comment, people actually understood what mine meant. And so did you, but you chose to pretend you didn’t.
ThatDeadGuyFromGameOfThrones
Yes it does say a lot. We remember we were wrong. And use it to try not to repeat the mistakes of the past. What would you have us do?
ineffablyintangible
Every day someone is dying. You expect me to be remorseful for every life that ever lived and died? I made light of bad subject wording in
ineffablyintangible
A poorly construed sentence. I expect you to know the difference between lives lost and something poorly worded
PlatoOrPotato
Did you think before you typed that out?
mandadadada
Will he ever read your comment either. I winder
PlatoOrPotato
Me too mandadadada, me too.
CantComeUpWithACreativeUsername
Sorry
confessionsofahousekeeper
We actually did issue an official apology. Unlike murica
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RulesOfImgur
You haven't heard of North Korea have you?
RulesOfImgur
"In 1988, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the Civil Liberties Act of 1988, which apologized for the internment on behalf of the US"
RulesOfImgur
government and authorized a payment of $20,000 (equivalent to $41,000 in 2017) to each camp internee." so yes, we did apologize because we>
RulesOfImgur
Acted apon fear and racism
invaderkong
We also turned away Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis.
TheOfflineEnigma
Good.
ReallyNotKEVIN
I'm glad you mentioned this so did Great Britain even when they knew of the atrocities
BlackPengu
And now Syrians fleeing ISIS
SirBobby98121
From the German ship St.Louis.
PooPooPeePeePooPoo
To be fair, we were in a massive economic depression. We couldn’t feed our own people, much less 100s or 1,000s of immigrants.
SirBobby98121
There were 937 people on board.
PooPooPeePeePooPoo
Almost 1,000 more mouths that we couldn’t afford to feed.
LumpWithaLeafHat
Except for Oswego, NY.
Brizzly1146
Every other country did too almost. Dominican Republic took the most refugees in.
alsoAzrael
Apparently this post is filled with people who can't wait to defend that decision.
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Not to be whataboutism in this but 77 years before 1946, people with black skin was considered property.
shortbuswastaken
Yeah they don't have a problem making sure everyone remembers that though, most people forget about the Japanese concentration camps
EmporioIvankov
Our struggle doesn't need to compete with theirs. Internment was also wrong.
fatbottomgirlsmaketheworldgoround
what the fuck does that even have to do with it ?
bakingPretzels
But so did every country, apart from Australia who only took 100
DiabloPablo
Occupied Denmark managed to smuggle most of it's jews to neutral Sweden.
MOMOnica97
Not every other country...
bakingPretzels
Every country that was asked atleast. Idk man that's just whatnot learned in school
nopost
England took in massive numbers of Jewish kids. The Danes smuggled almost all the Jews there to Sweden.
WiFiChaser
I doubt you even went to school at all.
Seoulsurvivor5772101
Australia had a very large Jewish population that pre-dated the war. Nice try to slander. We were also taking every English child available
bakingPretzels
How was that slander? I'm just saying the countries who were asked to take refugees turned down except for Australia
LearnSomething
I'm confused what you're defending here....
hurrytheshitup
Pretty sure they thought it was being said that Australia hates or doesn't care about Jewish ppl.
LearnSomething
That's...not even remotely close to what was said.
WiFiChaser
No it was that he said "only hundred refugees" as in "why didn't you take more >:c"
AdrianDunne
Australia wasn't exactly in commuting distance either.
VodkaReindeer
Hey, it could be worse. I think my country actually sent some Jews to Germany.
imyellinkimberr
I read somewhere Russia just put them on the front lines...
losboccacc
we had our own concentration camps but everyone kinda forgets about that thanks to all the other stereotypes.
VigorousButtstuff
We also gave massive contracts for military hardware to Nazi sympathizers, who then gave us defective hardware.
VigorousButtstuff
...And now we consider the legacy of that Nazi sympathizer an "All-American" brand.
ItsGeno
you can’t just say shite like this without sauce man
VigorousButtstuff
Look up Henry Ford and his Deerborne Times papers. Hitler cites him as the inspiration to take his own antisemitism into action.
beenbannedb4
a man needs a name
alvastar
Source? Lots of things were defective in WW2 for less than nefarious reasons. I'm curious, cuz I never heard of this before!
VigorousButtstuff
Henry Ford. The trucks he supplied to the Nazi regime weren't defective at all, while the tanks he built for the US were notorious.
VigorousButtstuff
This was after refusing to build plane engines for Britain, citing not wanting to "Get involved". While building trucks for Germany.
andrew77587
To be fair we didn't know of the mass genocide taking place.
Inactiveman
There were hints of the genocide but they didn’t care. As the Liberal Immigration Minister said at the time “No Jews is too many.”
VonKarnstein
Allied learned about the holocaust in December 1942.
joelzebub
Mayor LaGuardia,who was the current mayor of New York had a sister in a concentration camp. He tried for years to get someone to help
Gayforbae
But hey at least he got an airport... Or something.... So everything's good, right?
joelzebub
Totes...
Fahargo
They did.
Gayforbae
Yes we did. Well maybe the public didn't, but the powers that be certainly did...
fluhatinrapper
We do this shit right now, today, 2018, denying foriegn refugees fleeing genocide. It's the norm.
firefighter26
I guess it's good to be consistent?
inyourheadunderyourskin
Weird that all those extraordinarily wealthy islamic countries don't do a single thing to help those people even tho they are right there...
xcesiv7
And thats awful. In the constitution it literally states, "as Earth's police force, it is our duty to save all people"
Aligatorlog
Lol
CocaineOrRaisins
Being a global Police force has nothing to do with not accepting people at your border. (Who on the whole often cost nothing)
fluhatinrapper
People don't understand sarcasm on here.
lochnessm0nster
" we need to keep them damn filthy muslims out of our country" -what i hear on a daily basis
AmArschdieRaeuber
Don't worry, you're not the only ones. Almost 3000 people drowned in the mediterranean in 2017 and we do nothing about it.
2spooky4pratt
What? People dying and nobody doing anything about it? That doesn’t sound like something the government does...
inyourheadunderyourskin
Well governments aren't really around to just help people, only a select few.
JHawke
They probably think it is their responsibility about as much as you I or most people think it is ours.
AmArschdieRaeuber
Hey, it starts being your problem when your beaches are polluted by dead bodies.
dangerousDoc
Because they are a security risk. Just like before. Heck known isis agents are alowed in Canada and know they can't be tried
xzhous
Canada is considering rehabilitating disillusioned returnees. Yes, there's risks & upsides. Stop repeating Breitbart/Rebel headlines tho
xzhous
2) They're talking about anti-radicalization centers. Work on turning young ex-fighters against the ISIS cause. Straight out of Art of War
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Wait...so let me get this straight. The US has THE strictest vetting of refugees in the entire world, taking between 18 and 36 months to
NotMyUsualOnlineName
process each person, involves multiple background checks at multiple levels, yet the refugees fleeing from genocide or war-torn countries
NotMyUsualOnlineName
with practically nothing except the clothes on their backs are a security risk? It's easier for a terrorist to get into the US using a
versaliaesque
Hahahaha "just like before" not a single terrorist/double agent/spy/paranoid crap was caught/stopped by forced internment camps
PeeinOnHitlersFace
Good thing he's not endorsing internment camps
versaliaesque
he is endorsing "everyone different colored/foreign is a potential enemy" which is thinking that directly leads to internment camps soooo
igivetheinternets
Noone was even charged
Fluffyleopard
We were also at war and were worried about spies infiltrating the US even more. It sucks but I can understand the decision.
Redeyedguy4291
Don't try and make sense of something that every one else deems horrible. They won't like it want you'll get shit on.
thesixfingerman
This was before the war started.
imyellinkimberr
The WWII (US) was declared Dec 8th, 1941- the day after Pearl Harbor. Dec 11th: Germany. June 5, 1942: remaining axis powers.
IZ42
We turned them away before we entered the war.
TallDude
It was evil. Just like us refusing refugees that are being slaughtered by ISIS because we claim that they might be hiding terrorists.
Trojkan
I don't know if you're sarcastic or not, but ISIS ARE hiding terrorists among refugees. How common it is is up to debate though.
IZ42
See, that doesn't mean we should turn away refugees. We should punish thousands of innocents for maybe a handful of evil people.
kaztas
A handful of people that could in turn kill thousands more?
Hulagirl01
Evil is what terrorist do. We have to protect our country and citizens first no matter what.
DarkwingDuc
It's cowardly at the very least.
kaztas
Wasn't it reported that ISIS DID in fact smuggle in operatives to Europe through refugees?
inboxmefoxes
The ends do not justify the means.
sudokori
It actually does. What if one was a spy and stole our nuclear secrets that started a series of events that ended in worldwide nuclear war?
inboxmefoxes
A hypothetical fantasy that quite literally has no basis in reality.
Hulagirl01
Yes it does if it protects our country.
alsoAzrael
Yeah it protected us from those dastardly jewish refugees fleeing genocide at the hands of our enemies. Fuck off asshole.
TomBrokaw
Fuck it, nuke everything then. We're protecting our country, right?
JStengah
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
DirtyDe
Temporary safety? Counter intelligence won the fucking war!!!!! However i do not agree in turning away refugees.
inboxmefoxes
Let me rephrase: the ends will NEVER justify the means. To do so is a slippery slope into becoming the absolute worst of humanity.
shreddedking
while Morocco, Libya, Algeria, Lebanon, syria and many other Arab nations took jew refugees in during WW2
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igbsigbs
“There are no Jewish citizens, there are no Muslims citizens, they are all Moroccans.”
LoneWanderer101
All in some way part of the French colonial empire. This more glorified France giving the middle finger to its enemy
VioletMoonRising
Err... you are misinformed. Those countries took them in, but they wern't truly sovergin in the first place.
flavivsaetivs
The Quran says to respect the peoples of the book (Abrahamic faiths).
Itsokyoucansaythatiusedtobeamuslim
على عيري
ImgurIsCurrentlyOverCapacity
... and not the rest
DarkwingDuc
The Bible says to welcome refugees and treat foreigners with compassion.
samsonguy920
My book says to respect the booty.
smellsmiketeenspirit
It also says: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (..)"
DarkwingDuc
1) A lot of context around that, but even taken at face value there's no inherent contradiction. There wouldn't be refugees without conflict
flavivsaetivs
When someone asks "WWJD," just remember flipping a table and chasing people with a whip isn't out of the question.
Fahargo
Guess they ripped that section out for the last 60 years
CaptVito
They got a little angry at the Jews after the whole Palestine situation.
Fahargo
They kinda hated Jews before that
IZ42
The balkanization of the middle east and constant intervention into their countries made wahhabism a very appealing prospect. Not saying
IZ42
They were right in doing so, but the west sorta fucked over the middle east because they had oil
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
You always get crazies with religion. Hell, literally 90% of Christianity forgot the bit where you cant judge lest you be judged.
Fahargo
What i mean is almost universally Muslims hate Jews. They hate Jews in the ME. They hate Jews in England. And Muslim students in the 1/2
donkeymoney
What does that even mean? You only rat on people once you've been caught?
martijndaans
Really? And most muslims hate jew, no?
Itsokyoucansaythatiusedtobeamuslim
I agree. Muslims hate jews.
Itsokyoucansaythatiusedtobeamuslim
And most Muslims are Nazi sympathisers they don't think Hitler was bad neither do they believe he killed millions of jews
shreddedking
no. its not muslims hate jews. its arabs hate Israelis. muslim=/=arab nor jew=/=Israeli. its pretty important distinction.
FirstEdition
I wish that was true, but many extremist groups (e.g. Hamas) are explicitly anti-Jew, not only anti Israel. Read the Hamas Covenant for ex
Itsokyoucansaythatiusedtobeamuslim
Most Muslims r anti new not only israel. I'm not even mentioning the extremist I'm an x Muslim still living in the middle East.
Itsokyoucansaythatiusedtobeamuslim
Lies. Muslims hate jews
AlkeneThiol
This was before Israel
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
Why is it wrong for Israel to exist with borders, language , and culture? If I was forced to live in the Middle East it would be Israel.
franzzegerman
You, yes. But israel is a country literally formed out of thin air where muslims had been living for 100s of years. So ofc they want it gone
nopost
And then either slaughtered them or forced them out only a couple years later...
shreddedking
Israel started importing jews from all over the world to live in Israel. nobody slaughtered them. many jews still live in arab countries
nopost
It might be worth your while to look up Jewish populations in places like Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc pre- and post-1948. They didn't
nopost
many things with them. You should do some research; it's quite interesting how people talk about it differently now
nopost
just all leave of their own free will. Many times they were given only a day or 2 to leave by the Arab country and weren't allowed to take
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
Didn't just turn them away, we sent them to France. But luckily the French easily defeated the Germans, saving all those people. Oh wait no
LoneWanderer101
Well France held for 4 years the first time. Why would we have believed it would be so wuick the second time?
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
Think of it like this. We get into a fight, you win, but in the process I break your arm. Are you ready for round 2 right after?
LoneWanderer101
Germany was in no way ready either. Both we’re depleted after the war. When the Germans marched into the Rhine, French could have smashed 1/
LoneWanderer101
them. Hitler called it his biggest gamble. But the French and British didn’t want to see millions die again so they went with appeasement
Tuomir
But by that comparison, Germany's arm (economy) was broken as well.
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
It's "Mongolian horde" mindset. You don't need to ask for funding, food, or shelter if you just keep what you kill
bohemiancrabcity
Shit... by that comparison, Germany's arm was amputated.
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
That's why he used the strategy ISIS did. You attack weaker countries and take their gold, then you can fund your war with the strong.
espressoandpostrock
Germany was arming up like crazy in spite of restrictions and France was so fucked up after WWI, their military couldn't compete.
Noughmad
Not really, French and German armies were actually comparable in size. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_France
espressoandpostrock
Clearly size wasn't the deciding factor
KnowmSaying
Size, not quality.
LoneWanderer101
They believed that the Maginot would give them the advantage in trench warfare. Unfortunately theey didn’t see blitzkrieg warfare coming