And if that's the case, federal employees in those states should do no work for anyone and shut it down. Watch how quickly the dmv fucks up everyone's life.
What do they think is gonna happen if all the blue states with lots of money go to war with all the red states that rely on that money? I don't think Civil War 2 is gonna turn out the way they want.
Then the 'Blue' States are justified in retaining tax dollars equal to the amount 'owed' back by the Fed. 'You can keep your 'appropriations' in lieu of taxes! Nothing in, nothing out!'...
MAGAts are the epitome of cutting off your nose to spite your face. They don't care if they suffer from Trump's policies so long as some member of some group they hate (PoC, LGBTQ+, whatever) has it worse.
Yeah, so...the last civil war was when states tried to break away from the union. This time, the union is quite intentionally breaking off states. The only reason they haven't openly declared war is that they don't *have* to declare war to get everything they want, while they control the Federal government.
I'll probably be down voted because of the popular blind loyalty to the liberals in Canada, but that's exactly what's happening here. Liberal voting provinces are funded while conservative ones are gutted. Keep in mind, our conservatives are not like the American republicans. At all.
No it's not goof... stop reading rebel news and wake the fuck up or just be a loser. You keep voting in idiots that fuck you over and blame others. Stop being blind
Wtf is rebel news? I didn't vote these idiots in that have ruined our economy and degraded our quality of life by every international metric. Are u having a stroke? Violent crime is up along with unemployment and costs of living. Real GDP is down. Those are facts.
I think Washington, Oregon, California, and maybe Hawaii should split off and make our own country. Cascadia. The Trump administration wants to hurt blue states.
Oh, it's been on for a while now. That’s why Rs keep saying things like, "everything will be peaceful, as long as Dems allow it to be." Rs are counting on peaceful acquiescence, all the while demonizing Dems as being literally in league with Satan.
I got a newsflash for ya - conservatives have been waging a civil war SINCE THE US ENDED THE CIVIL WAR ITSELF. They've been fighting progress at every single step along the way.
RECONSTRUCTION DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH AND THE TRAITORS WERE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THEIR CRIMES AND MONEY TO REBUILD THE REPUBLIFUCK SYSTEM WE HAVE TODAY………oops found my caps lock that thing has been stuck all day
I apologise for my latest outburst. I did not fully take into account the layout or how the words read on the screen. I always strive for visually pleasing shit posts and often put way too much time and effort into them. I do strive for the lowest of quality though. My replies were not meant to be a provocation or an act of aggression. Thank you for your engagement whether the vote is up or down I appreciate each and every imgurian voice being heard.
Because I need to eat AND pay rent, maybe make some progress in my life so I can buy a car again, and I’m getting hammered all the time while the billionaires don’t pay their fare share, AND my state is getting its funding cut by Orange Shitler.
While a nice thought, the states don’t pay - that money is going straight from your employer to the federal gov. I suppose a state could try to change that and enforce it upon employers in the state, but it would require a lot of effort to change and I would bet the gov would consider it an existential threat and respond accordingly.
CASCADIA! We have all the money and infrastructure. I'm a compassionate, but I've had it with all these shithead red states. May they get what they deserve
There's a good few in British Columbia that would come along for that idea. most definitions of Western Canada seem to stop and the western border of Alberta. not sure how they miss us out here. maybe Ottawa just cannot see us beyond our majestic mountains.
There's a lot of Republicans in Washington and Oregon especially Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon, they have talked about creating their own state. Usually people that live outside the major cities are hardcore Maga.
Yep. Basically anything east of the Cascades is red. But we that are west have the money and the numbers. Time we trimmed the fat. I'm fine with the 'Greater Idaho' concept. Good luck funding it without Seattle and Portland
i've heard of this. he said it could be bloodless if the left allowed it. by that i take it that he means it will be bloodless if the left just gives in and surrenders.
English can be a funny language, and i've spoken it all my life. you have to, sometimes, make sure that everyone is on the same page even among native speakers.
You're absolutely right. This is precisely how language is weaponize, and it works because weak people will continue to give them the benefit of the doubt until their own throats are being cut.
State governments can order state business license holders to no longer send payments to the Fed, or order state banks not to, etc. it’s illegal, but so is what trump is doing.
Most people pay most of their taxes for their own (future) Social Security and Medicare. I'm not saying it's tucked away for you for later; but every payment is recorded and how much you pay in total has some bearing on what you end up getting. So if your money gets intercepted by your home state it may very well hurt you.
state governments don't control federal taxes, meaning a governor can't just turn off a theoretical tap. the individual residents of a state would need to collectively agree to stop paying federal tax. also, since most folks pay federal taxes through wage withholding, employers and payroll providers would need to play ball too.
it's the classic ape alone weak, apes together strong conundrum.
Which is why the plan will be for states that own and control public works and infrastructure to turn them off for federal agencies and buildings located in said states. Imagine trying to run a military port with no electricity, water, sewage, internet, roads, or labor. Same thing with federal court houses.
The federal government cannot control the infrastructure that each state controls. It is too many buttons as Trump is firing people that know how to push buttons.
There's too decentralized for that to work. You'll need to send in the army to secure every power substation, every major crossroad, every water treatment plant, and take over all these various and spread out state government buildings.
Yes, that is the idea. While he fires everyone make them need staff for EVERYTHING. Give them no quarter. Make them earn every step. We don’t have the military manpower to secure all the things that need secured in order to have a federal government. They got to have one because we agreed to participate. I no longer agree to participate.
There's been some head scratchers from the Supreme Court; but all the other courts have consistently stuck with the Constitution and all the lesser laws.
The problem isn't the courts not ruling properly, the problem is the ones that DO rule properly get ignored and openly defied by the administration who suffers no consequences for it.
jimmythehat1
Sounds like blue states should withhold their tax revenue
DrBukkakeShots69
Is this where California finally breaks free from supporting red states financially!! This it???
Bojovnik84
And if that's the case, federal employees in those states should do no work for anyone and shut it down. Watch how quickly the dmv fucks up everyone's life.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
It never ended. You didn't notice the guys bearing confederate flags storming the Capitol?
dcjunkee
As someone in the state of California, I would like a refund on all the money we've sent the Fed. Thank you!
Bizarkly
Northern Tier, *unite*. Time to take America back from the confederated nazis...
SilentScreamsX
What do they think is gonna happen if all the blue states with lots of money go to war with all the red states that rely on that money?
I don't think Civil War 2 is gonna turn out the way they want.
dixxienormus
The Civil War was only the second war the US didn't win - yet.
veronicablood
Ken Burns voice
Munchman347
Then the 'Blue' States are justified in retaining tax dollars equal to the amount 'owed' back by the Fed. 'You can keep your 'appropriations' in lieu of taxes! Nothing in, nothing out!'...
Telesp43
WHEN will people SEE MEIN kAMPF . MOVING THROUGH AMERICA !
flexsidepick
I hope he struggles…….to breathe
ChelVanin
There’s not a single solid red or blue state in the union. Every state they hurt is filled with their own people.
bikergeek6249
MAGAts are the epitome of cutting off your nose to spite your face. They don't care if they suffer from Trump's policies so long as some member of some group they hate (PoC, LGBTQ+, whatever) has it worse.
Sirdan3k
Buddy the civil war never ended, it just went cold.
varesya
Civil Cold War, basically.
flexsidepick
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SalmonMax
Yeah, so...the last civil war was when states tried to break away from the union. This time, the union is quite intentionally breaking off states. The only reason they haven't openly declared war is that they don't *have* to declare war to get everything they want, while they control the Federal government.
TerribleBot
Do this ASAP
OregonComputerGuy
This should include deployment of national guard to Democratic states as is happening here in Oregon
RunningInSpaces
I'll probably be down voted because of the popular blind loyalty to the liberals in Canada, but that's exactly what's happening here. Liberal voting provinces are funded while conservative ones are gutted. Keep in mind, our conservatives are not like the American republicans. At all.
jackal696
No it's not goof... stop reading rebel news and wake the fuck up or just be a loser. You keep voting in idiots that fuck you over and blame others. Stop being blind
RunningInSpaces
Wtf is rebel news? I didn't vote these idiots in that have ruined our economy and degraded our quality of life by every international metric. Are u having a stroke? Violent crime is up along with unemployment and costs of living. Real GDP is down. Those are facts.
rain67
I think Washington, Oregon, California, and maybe Hawaii should split off and make our own country. Cascadia. The Trump administration wants to hurt blue states.
bikergeek6249
All of New England and the Mid-Atlantic states could split off and form a separate country, too.
thatiscomedygoldrightthere
Oh, it's been on for a while now. That’s why Rs keep saying things like, "everything will be peaceful, as long as Dems allow it to be." Rs are counting on peaceful acquiescence, all the while demonizing Dems as being literally in league with Satan.
PaperinoVB
Not to be too sarcastic, but... welcome to the 2024.
Raventhief
You mean 2017?
flexsidepick
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blup101
Thanks for the punctuation
flexsidepick
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slugworth70
I don't think we should pay any federal taxes during a shutdown, since that's taxation without representation.
fartharder
"...and that's not fair!"
flexsidepick
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blinkonceforyes
So if I’m in one of those states I can stop paying federal taxes, like income tax, right?
fractalsphere
I got a newsflash for ya - conservatives have been waging a civil war SINCE THE US ENDED THE CIVIL WAR ITSELF. They've been fighting progress at every single step along the way.
fartharder
Khanamana324
Yep, the civil war never ended, it just went cold.
flexsidepick
RECONSTRUCTION DID NOT GO FAR ENOUGH AND THE TRAITORS WERE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THEIR CRIMES AND MONEY TO REBUILD THE REPUBLIFUCK SYSTEM WE HAVE TODAY………oops found my caps lock that thing has been stuck all day
Zeddicuszull
Reconstruction 2.0: Sherman Was Right Edition.
Antininny
Layout artist here. *
fartharder
Kerning, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!
flexsidepick
I apologise for my latest outburst. I did not fully take into account the layout or how the words read on the screen. I always strive for visually pleasing shit posts and often put way too much time and effort into them. I do strive for the lowest of quality though. My replies were not meant to be a provocation or an act of aggression. Thank you for your engagement whether the vote is up or down I appreciate each and every imgurian voice being heard.
Antininny
reliablydefiant
Feels like the line break should be after who, and for, keeping civil war on the same line.
Antininny
flexsidepick
Again I stress
I MAKE MEMES
I do not
Checking of Grammar
Spelking
Word Placement
Pun.,?ctua¡on
Give any fuques
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Antininny
Don't yell at me.
flexsidepick
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reliablydefiant
Better, no?
JimmyWalkerTexasRanger
Kinda sounds like the US government has seceded from the Union. Maybe we should stop giving them tax money until they get their shit together. https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1c2Vmc3B0NDh4Mnd4OGtpc2h1b2l1Z2huZXd2bXhsN2gxcWtjODFmcCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/e7QO18qopbd99evxyD/200w.gif
PineappleLoopsBroether
I just had $900 taken out of my $2500 check, I’m so fucking pissed off about it
LetsHaveReasonPeople
Why though? Depending on your states income tax rate thats about right what it should be.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Because I need to eat AND pay rent, maybe make some progress in my life so I can buy a car again, and I’m getting hammered all the time while the billionaires don’t pay their fare share, AND my state is getting its funding cut by Orange Shitler.
fartharder
Stop paying your taxes then. Do you think republicans have been paying them? Who do you think all of those tax relief ads are for?
fartharder
All those republican small business owners who complained they didn't get covid help - because they weren't paying taxes
StarscreamAndHutch
This. It cannot function without money. CA and NY should just halt payment. We certainly are not getting what we paid in for.
supervillin
I was gonna say "because they'll just send the military after us" but I guess we're already there.
justfiguredoutimc4azyanddumbb
Dump their proverbial tea in the harbor! Tar! Feathers for them all!
captainsweatypants
Why do you think they’re only sending troops into blue states guys!!!
dracklen
While a nice thought, the states don’t pay - that money is going straight from your employer to the federal gov. I suppose a state could try to change that and enforce it upon employers in the state, but it would require a lot of effort to change and I would bet the gov would consider it an existential threat and respond accordingly.
ChiLLeCheeze
Don't states have a right to this? State's rights and all that.
StarscreamAndHutch
Just make the law. The fed can suck it. If it were reversed, Texas would make this a reality.
cbale2000
Under the constitution, Congress (federal government) has the power to tax the states.
ChiLLeCheeze
Does this allow the president to with hold funds when appropriated by Congress?
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
CASCADIA! We have all the money and infrastructure. I'm a compassionate, but I've had it with all these shithead red states. May they get what they deserve
SuperfluousMeh
I wish I could make it there before cascadia secedes but I'm stuck in the dick tip of florida.
flexsidepick
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rain67
Oh you beat me to it I just said that Washington Oregon California and maybe Hawaii joining. Trump hates us.
psmith00
There's a good few in British Columbia that would come along for that idea. most definitions of Western Canada seem to stop and the western border of Alberta. not sure how they miss us out here. maybe Ottawa just cannot see us beyond our majestic mountains.
Covidien8768
CASCADIA STRONG!!!!!!!
sahbian10
Time to Seceed!
TheSecondPiewackit
American until Cascadia secedes.
rain67
There's a lot of Republicans in Washington and Oregon especially Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon, they have talked about creating their own state. Usually people that live outside the major cities are hardcore Maga.
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
Yep. Basically anything east of the Cascades is red. But we that are west have the money and the numbers. Time we trimmed the fat. I'm fine with the 'Greater Idaho' concept. Good luck funding it without Seattle and Portland
TheSecondPiewackit
Anything more than an hour and a half outside of Seattle is Red, and the dropoff, my friends, is STEEP.
FckleberryFarms
I live in a red state, blue city, I voted for Harris. We are not all the same. Gerrymandering has fucked many of us over for decades.
Froggie243
You'll be granted asylum
lurkerthatoccationallywantstocomment
It's tough. I lived in blue SLC, UT for my entire life until I couldn't take it anymore. I now give my dollars to WA instead
fartharder
Dude, this is the guy who is running the government https://apnews.com/article/project-2025-trump-american-revolution-6e02a297fb91b55de01ba7e86615bb08
psmith00
i've heard of this. he said it could be bloodless if the left allowed it. by that i take it that he means it will be bloodless if the left just gives in and surrenders.
supervillin
Brought to you by the party that gave us "I tell my daughters, if rape is inevitable, then just lie back and take it."
fartharder
"If it's a legitimate rape god will step in"
fartharder
Absolutely what he meant
psmith00
English can be a funny language, and i've spoken it all my life. you have to, sometimes, make sure that everyone is on the same page even among native speakers.
fartharder
You're absolutely right. This is precisely how language is weaponize, and it works because weak people will continue to give them the benefit of the doubt until their own throats are being cut.
Rascael
All States being targeted by Trump need to stop all Federal Transfer payments to the Government until funding is restored and DEPOSITED...
OhIfIMust
Considering that they're mostly net-gain states for the Feds, that would HURT!
mrhollywoog
State governments can order state business license holders to no longer send payments to the Fed, or order state banks not to, etc. it’s illegal, but so is what trump is doing.
rile
And Dem states would be better off, if not paying the Federal Government, even if not paid themselves. Unlike the Red states…
StephenDaniels
Most people pay most of their taxes for their own (future) Social Security and Medicare. I'm not saying it's tucked away for you for later; but every payment is recorded and how much you pay in total has some bearing on what you end up getting. So if your money gets intercepted by your home state it may very well hurt you.
vwzzjxv6f9101
What makes you think those documents won’t be destroyed by this Reich? Oops lost the data you don’t qualify for shit. Oops confiscated
Your bank account because you made a post about Antifa. https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTY1YjkxZmJlc2JtZnU3dW5nMnI0ejJneTY1cDg5bHNjanRhNzRjczhoa3M0MTJ2dCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/3ohzdYJK1wAdPWVk88/200w.mp4
4etherling
Acceptable loss to get out of this situation. It is all of our futures at stake.
080080
state governments don't control federal taxes, meaning a governor can't just turn off a theoretical tap. the individual residents of a state would need to collectively agree to stop paying federal tax. also, since most folks pay federal taxes through wage withholding, employers and payroll providers would need to play ball too.
it's the classic ape alone weak, apes together strong conundrum.
johnhatten2
It doesnt work like that
Illinifan88
There are no "federal transfer payments." Our taxes go straight from us or our employers to the federal government.
Zeddicuszull
Which is why the plan will be for states that own and control public works and infrastructure to turn them off for federal agencies and buildings located in said states. Imagine trying to run a military port with no electricity, water, sewage, internet, roads, or labor. Same thing with federal court houses.
The federal government cannot control the infrastructure that each state controls. It is too many buttons as Trump is firing people that know how to push buttons.
CaptSchmidtGaming
that makes resistence easy.
lostlittletimeonthis
Then the army gets sent in to secure those facilities and appropriate them from the state
Zeddicuszull
There's too decentralized for that to work. You'll need to send in the army to secure every power substation, every major crossroad, every water treatment plant, and take over all these various and spread out state government buildings.
Eyeetsass
Yes, that is the idea. While he fires everyone make them need staff for EVERYTHING. Give them no quarter. Make them earn every step. We don’t have the military manpower to secure all the things that need secured in order to have a federal government. They got to have one because we agreed to participate. I no longer agree to participate.
LuLuPennyAndOdium44
Those states will sue and courts will force the admin to release the money.
Brunevde
Zeddicuszull
Courts don't work anymore, remember?
CharlesTooke
You beat me to it.
StephenDaniels
There's been some head scratchers from the Supreme Court; but all the other courts have consistently stuck with the Constitution and all the lesser laws.
Zeddicuszull
Courts don't work anymore since Trump can just ignore them and Congress will do nothing about it.
paynoattentiontousernames
If the old USA knew what the new USA was doing to the current USA, old USA would invade new USA to install a democratical elected leader.
BlazeMarshall
The problem isn't the courts not ruling properly, the problem is the ones that DO rule properly get ignored and openly defied by the administration who suffers no consequences for it.
pandemicmodedad
No consequences yet. These type of people dont have happy endings.