Jar Jar Fan Theory

Nov 2, 2015 1:34 AM

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Jar Jar Fan Theory

*Disclaimer - I am not the author of this, all credit goes to Reddit user Lampawarroo whose excellent research and ideas have provided one of the most thought-provoking fan theories for the Star Wars universe. Original here: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3qvj6w/theory_jar_jar_binks_was_a_trained_force_user/

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Here I will seek to establish that Jar Jar Binks, far from being simply the bumbling idiot he portrays himself as, is in fact a highly skilled force user in terms of martial ability and mind control.

Furthermore, I assert that he was not, as many people assume, just an unwitting political tool manipulated by Palpatine-- rather, he and Palpatine were likely in collaboration from the very beginning, and it's entirely possible that Palpatine was a subordinate underling to Binks throughout both trilogies.

And finally, given the above, I will conclude with an argument as to why I believe it is not only possible, but plausible that Jar Jar will make a profound impact on the upcoming movies, and what his role may be.

So first, let's establish Jar Jar as a skilled warrior. While this does not in itself necessitate a connection with the Physical Force, it's highly suggestive in the Star Wars universe-- very rarely do we see "normal" characters exhibiting extraordinary stuntwork or physical feats unless they are Jedi, Sith, or at least force sensitives.
So here's Jar Jar nonchalantly executing a standing 20 foot twisting somersault:

Now, taken out of context, if you were watching a Star Wars movie and saw a character casually execute this maneuver, you'd probably assume it was a Jedi. In the context of Jar Jar, though, we don't... because elsewhere he so thoroughly convinces us that he's nothing more than a harmless dunce with his inane dialogue and cowardly-lion act.

He also manages to convince us that he's a bumbling oaf in the midst of pitched battle... even though he's always incredibly, amazingly successful. Whether single-handedly taking down a battledroid tank, or unleashing a barrage of boombas on their front lines, or precisely targeting multiple enemies with a blaster tangled around his ankle (!!!), we simply roll our eyes and attribute it to dumb "luck."

This is one of the main reasons we as an audience hate Jar Jar so thoroughly; he breaks the fourth wall, he shatters our suspension of disbelief, because we know that no one is really that lucky. We dismiss it as a lame, cliched trope-- the silly pathetic oaf who always seems to inadvertently save the day.
I posit that, instead, this is a deliberate facade on the part of Jar Jar as a character, and on the part of the writers and animators. As we know, the Jedi themselves are inspired by Shaolin Monks, and there's a particular kung fu discipline that Jar Jar's physicality is purposefully modeled upon which allows him to appear goofy and uncoordinated even as he lays waste to his enemies; namely, Zui Quan, or "Drunken Fist wushu".

This discipline seeks to imitate the "sloshing," seemingly random foibles of a drunkard, but in reality the staggering and stumbling is the use of bodily momentum, deception, and unpredictability intended to lure and confuse opponents.
Let's take a look at Jar Jar displaying some drunken fist techniques.

Jar Jar kipping up

Zui Quan comparison

Jar Jar "sloshing"

Zui Quan comparison

Jar Jar sweeps the leg

Zui Quan comparison

Jar Jar "centering himself" in preparation for a Force Jump

Zui Quan comparison

...ok, that's all well and good, but even if Jar Jar is a secret Drunken Fist boxing master, that doesn't make him a force user, right? Well, it should at least make us suspicious of his character period. It establishes that his over-the-top, childish antics are a veneer masking a more complex character than we're led to believe. But even if you choose to ignore Jar Jar's seemingly magical prescience in battle, I believe that there is a particular scene in which we do see him clearly make use of the physical force...
In TPM, when Jar Jar and the Jedi ambush the droids and rescue the queen and her entourage, Jar Jar "accidentally" botches his leap from the balcony. A few frames later, he is seen dropping from the opposite side of the balcony, which would seem to be quite be impossible without a force assisted jump and/or force sprint of some kind. Let's take a look

(Note that as they sneak up, Jar Jar is just as effortlessly stealthy as his Jedi counterparts. Interesting.) Now as I said, we see Jar Jar catch hold of the balcony on the far right side, but then he drops to the ground on the far left. Easy to dismiss as a continuity or framing error, I suppose... except that one of the droids continues to fire on Jar Jar's initial position, even as we see him drop elsewhere!
Here it is again, watch carefully where the droids are shooting, and where Jar Jar actually falls

See the droid that comes charging up, right behind the one Qui-Gon chops down? What's he shooting at up there?? And see its head swing back towards Jar Jars new position after the shot? You can also see another droid behind it tracking Jar Jar with its head, and manage a shot on the new position. This means that the animators knew very well where Jar Jar was supposed to be- dangling from the balcony over Qui-Gon's left shoulder- and purposefully animate the droids tracking his inexplicably fast movement elsewhere.
I think what has happened here, even though we don't see it directly, is that Jar Jar has purposefully split the attention of the enemies by grabbing on to the balcony as he falls, and then (using the force) propelled himself with a pull-up/flip to land in an unexpected place.
In fact, this is a maneuver we've seen before

... from a jedi. Twice, if you want to count Obi-Wan doing it in the Duel of Fates to take Maul by surprise.
In addition to this kind of highly suspicious physical "luck," I also believe that we're given enough clues to justifiably suspect that Jar Jar is also a master of Jedi Mind Control.
Consider: We hate the way Jar Jar influences major plot points for the same reason we hate his physicality- it messes with our sense of realism. Two experienced Jedi on a serious mission would never actually bring someone that stupid along with them. No character that idiotic would ever really be made a general. They certainly wouldn't be made a senator. How could anyone like Jar Jar really convince the entire galaxy to abandon democracy? That's ridiculous.
These things are just the political version of his physical "luck." Inadvertent, seemingly comical bumbling that just so happens to result in astoundingly positive results. But what if it isn't inadvertant, and what if Jar Jar's meteoric rise and inexplicable influence isn't the result of dumb happenstance, but the result of extensive and careful use of force mind powers?
Jedi (and presumably Sith) exhibit telltale signs when using the Mind Trick to implant suggestions or influence behavior.

For one thing, they always gesticulate

And they not-so-subtly wave their hands at their targets

Now here's a look at some pivotal Jar Jar moments during his political career...

Jar Jar hand-waving his way towards a promotion to Bombad General

Jar Jar hand-waving his way towards a promotion to the Senate

Jar Jar using Force Persuasion as he hand-waves the entire Galactic Senate and ushers in the death of democracy

Actually, if you watch the prequels with the idea that Jar Jar might be a manipulative, dark character, you begin to notice just how insidious and subtle his manipulation is, and how effective, in almost every sequence he's involved in, and also just how hyper-aware of the overarching plot he really is.
Examples: Jar Jar tricking the Jedi into traveling through the planet core (so that they need him). Jar Jar carefully causing a scene so that they run into Anakin. Jar Jar constantly mocking Qui-Gon behind his back while Anakin is watching (so that Anakin learns disrespect for Jedi authority early on). Jar Jar telling an 8 year old child that the queen is "pretty hot," fanning the flames of the child's infatuation that is exploited later on. I could go on.
Now if you lend even the slightest credence to my above points, and acknowledge the possibility that Jar Jar might notbe an idiot, you're almost forced to conclude that Jar Jar Binks and Palpatine were co-conspirators. If Jar Jar is putting forth an elaborate act to deceive people, it means he's not a fool... and if he's not a fool, it means his actions in Episode II that facilitate Palpatine's plans are not those of an unwitting tool- they are those of a partner.
Remember- Palpatine and Jar Jar are from the same planet, which in the scale of the Star Wars universe is like growing up as next door neighbors. It's entirely possible that they knew each other for years prior to TPM-- perhaps they trained together, or one trained the other. And Naboo is a really strange planet, actually; remember those odd ancient statues with the third eye? Naboo is the kind of place an "outcast" Gungan might find a Sith holocron or two.
But that's just speculation. Let's stick to what we know -- what we know is that even after Palpatine is elected as Chancellor, years after Jar Jar has been "tricked" into helping elect him, Palpatine still hangs out with Jar Jar in Return of the Sith

Why? Wouldn't he be a constant source of public embarrassment? This is the same character who can't walk five yards without stepping in poodoo or squealing like a rabid donkey, right? What use does he have now? Why is he still at the right hand of the most powerful person in the galaxy? Could it be that in fact Jar Jar is the most powerful person in the galaxy?

Fine. Maybe. Hilarious conspiracy theory, but why would George Lucas bother to create this devious Gungan character with an elaborate conspiratorial past, but then never actually reveal his true nature?

Here's George Lucas (from a documentary) talking about Yoda:

"Yoda really comes from a tradition in mythological storytelling- fairy tales- of the hero finding a little creature on the side of the road that seems very insignificant and not very important, but who turns out to be the master wizard, or the master thing..."

As we all know, one of Lucas' big deals with the prequels was that they were intended to "rhyme" and mirror the original trilogy in terms of general narrative themes. So there should have been a seemingly innocent creature found on the side of the road that later reveals itself as a major player. We do have a creature that this seems to describe precisely... Jar Jar... but of course he never develops into a "master" anything.

Here's what I think happened: I think that Jar Jar was initially intended to be the prequel (and Dark Side) equivalent of Yoda. Just as Yoda has his "big reveal" when we learn that his tottering, geriatric goofball persona is just a mask, Jar Jar was intended to have a big reveal in Episode II or III where we learn that he's not really a naive dope, but rather a master puppeteer Sith in league with (or perhaps in charge of) Palpatine.

However, George Lucas chickened out. The fan reaction to Jar Jar was so vitriolic that this aspect of the trilogy was abandoned. Just too risky... if Jar Jar is truly that off-putting, it's potentially ruinous to the Star Wars legacy to imply that he's the ultimate bad guy of the entire saga. So pretend he was just a failed attempt at comic relief instead.

This is why Dooku seems like such a flat, shoehorned-in character with no backstory; he was hastily written in to cover the plot holes left when villain Jar Jar was redacted. Yoda was meant to duel with his literal darkside nemesis and mythological equivalent at the end of AotC: not boring old Count Dooku, but Sith Master Jar Jar. And Binks was meant to escape, not just that duel but to survive the entire trilogy... so that he could cast a shadow on the OT, too; you'd rewatch the originals knowing that the Emperor wasn't necessarily the big baddie after all... Jar Jar is still out there somewhere. It would have been sort of brilliant.
But I believe it is likely that the writers of the new trilogy will resurrect this idea. Most people seem to think that Disney wishes to distance or somehow disassociate itself from the prequels... but this doesn't actually make any economic or marketing sense. There is far more prequel-era based intellectual property to capitalize on than there is OT, if only because of the Clone Wars movie and series. Billions of dollars in iconic toys, images, characters, games, park rides, etc that an entire younger generation grew up on. Disney is not going to pretend that over half of the $4 billion in IP they bought simply isn't worth acknowledging.
And further, we have behind the scenes footage from The Force Awakens which clearly shows imagery being reused from the prequels.

No, it stands to reason that one of their primary goals will be to reinvigorate and ultimately try to redeem the prequels in the eyes of the fanbase. To elevate and improve them retroactively, as much as possible. So how do you do that?

Jar Jar Binks has undoubtedly become the face of everything that is "wrong" with the prequels- he was too silly, too unbelievable, seemingly pointless. If you are able to somehow change the nature of Jar Jar from embarrassing idiot to jaw-dropping villain, suddenly the entire prequel trilogy must be seen in a new light, because it becomes the setup for the most astounding reveal in film history:

Jar Jar Binks is Supreme Leader Snoke!

It is worth pointing out Jar Jar's original character archtype was supposed to be like a Jamaican pirate sellsword mercenary type...

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Knowing Jar-Jar's style now, I imagine a red, limp lightsaber. A plasma dildo of destruction that everyone laughs at before he destroys them

10 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

So, a light whip?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Yeah. Dildo just had more impact

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Commenting too late but this post makes him sound like Vash the Stampede.

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Yes!

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This totally seems like a rant Skinny Pete would excitedly shout at Badger while high.

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Pfft man.. that was Voyager...

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Just because he did all those feats doesn't mean other Gungans can't do them as well. They really didn't get "too much" exposure. Idk.

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Long read, I had heard these points made before but not as succinctly or with images. Thanks!

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I don't think there was anything succinct about this post, lol.

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to appeal to children, for marketing purposes, rather than any serious contribution to the story.

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Yea cause kids hate spaceships and lasets

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Kids loevs clumsy chars, tho

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I.e., Lucas wants to sell toys not tell stories.

10 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

Queue South Park: "THEY'RE RAPING MEEEEE..." - "NOW SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!!!!! SQUEEIEIIIIIEEEEEEEEE"

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This was fun to read but I will eat a VHS copy of the original movie if Jar Jar is secretly a Sith all along.

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If it happens, you will have to deliver.

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There will be images and testimonial.

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It has been recorded.

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May the Force be with it.

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Nah he's still a twat

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This makes me think of the character "Tobi" in naruto..

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Funny, that was my exact thought as well. All I could think is Tobi and Lucas had made the original trilogy based on Japanese influence.

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I'm not the only one!!

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I'm not the only one!!

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Because in the beginning, we ALL knew Tobi was a diaper wearing 'I just shit my pants oops, why am I even a ninja' character. And then..

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he blows himself up and survives

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There are still massive amounts of fanfiction that take 'Tobi' as a separate character from who he really is, and makes him into a dumbass.

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This traits are continually expressed through the Clone Wars Animated Series... dear gods.

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Remember the bounty-hunter tanks he destroyed? That was soooo intentional. He KNEW he could do that by acting clumsy.

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Like the time he controls a fucking fish? Or when he pretends to be a jedi and everyone believes him?

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Or the time he successfully lead a squad of Clone troopers to rescue Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Dooku from pirates.

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Not to mention scaling a huge fucking tower in that episode.

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I know right !

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He calms the entire Gungan army's fear by waving his hand and whispering "Steady, steady."

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misa wo jar jar binks actually translates to I am sith lord binks

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no it doesnt

10 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 9

Didn't you see his post it clearly says it does

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

. This IS the explanation you're looking for.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

*waves hand*

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That's too far of a reach.

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I hated Anakin more than Jar Jar. Creepy whiny bitch.

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In fact he's a toy... all the saga!!!

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WE GET IT, STOP CRYING YOU LITTLE BITCH. Goddamn ruin Darth Vader for ever.

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I personally hate C3PO most of all of them. What an annoying prick.

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"HE'S HOLDING ME BACK! WAAAAAAAH!!!"

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This post seems to imply it was Jar Jar who made him that way. Jar Jar persuaded Anakin to listen to his feelings over reason.

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http://imgur.com/2gA9Js7

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I always found his slit pupils pretty creepy.

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What the what?!

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Ah. Never saw that before.

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That is beautiful

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I love this gif so much, spat out coffee onto my phone

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If every I wanted to favorite comments it is now

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Oh god, please no!

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"Meesa gonna avenge you, Ani!"

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"Meesa gonna finish what you started!"

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I want this to happen so badly. Like, more than anything. I would sacrifice a lamb to Disney for this to happen

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Just because we as Imgur would like to see star wars nerds be extra butthurt about it?

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I'm a star wars nerd and I would love to see other more nerdy nerds start WW3 about it. But it would also be fucking amazing.

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This is Imgur... everyone here is a star wars nerd.

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When you realize Jar Jar is the Phantom Menace.

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Litteral phantom because no one sees it

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Yasss!!

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Holy shit.

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This is a fun theory, but it gives too much credit to George. Jar Jar's "rhyme" is C-3P0 (even though they had C-3P0 too!)

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The prequels were a cash grab or some kind of ego boost. George didn't take any big risks and cashed in on the fandom.

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Dude... that suddenly makes the first movie so fucking clever and Lucas the biggest bastard for not going through with it...

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He almost single handedly killed a beloved film franchise, what character is more deadly than that?

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BEST. RESPONSE. EVER.

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+1

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I had nothing wrong with any of the sequels because, like many Star Wars fans, I was a child when they came out. *gasps all around*

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What, because you're nostalgic that means you can't be critical? Feh!

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I don't hate 'em eiter. Sue me

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"Star Wars fans hate anything childlike, so when you introduce Jar-Jar, some of them become very upset and opinionated" -George Lucas.

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The only thing i dislike is some of the dialogue (well from my point of view the Jedi are evil!) and the romance scenes in episode 2.

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Evil in an extreme christian sort of way

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Agreed. There was zero chemistry between the two actors. The romance was painful to watch.

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I was like 12, and I still found Jar Jar awkward to watch.

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I really found this interesting, I hope they go through with some form of hint at the puppet master that is Binks

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Yes, fun read. But it's just an extremely far flung fan theory, no possible way it will ever be on film.

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It's not too far flung. If you go to the original reddit thread there are some well made points supporting that Lucas changed his mind

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It's pretty far-flung.

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Consider this. throughout the prequel trilogy, the jedi council admits to slowly losing their grasp on the force. after jarjar arrives there

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Now triple dip.

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Now i picture jar jar pulling a usual suspects moment and i cant unsee it you piece of shit +1

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Only objection I have is his jumping thing. All Gungans can do that. They're an aquatic race with very powerful muscles and no bones.

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No bones?

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Nope. No bones. Not even boners.

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"extremely flexible cartilaginous skeletons" - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gungan

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Look up Dan telfer comedian, his bit on jar jar is hilarious!

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#4 is wrong though. Listen to George's directions here: https://youtu.be/j8sBsnYNucM?t=3203 this is before anyone hated on jarjar

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#6 actually :|

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You know, now I remember... When he tells Padme that the Gungans have a grand army, he does the hand wave then too!

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As it turns out... they did not have the balls to roll with it.

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a GRAND army

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They did have a grand army, though.

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Well yeah. I'm not saying he lied. Doesn't mean he didn't manipulate her into going to the gungans.

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And he manipulated her with the truth which made her trust him afterwards.

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I love it when people blow my mind

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"mind"

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Well, to be fair it' called your second head...

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OP's using mind tricks to convince us the Jar Jar fan theory is true.

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I love it when people blow my..... preconceptions.

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See, thats the bit I'm iffy about: most people wave their hands when they talk. I do it, and I am no jedi.

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Maybe you are

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*stare* Most people wave their hands when they talk. ... He is no Jedi; move along, sir.

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He is no Jedi; move along, sir.

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That's because we evolved from jedis and we do it on reflex

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It doesn't really mean anything though, as jedi only possess the knowledge to use mind games on weak minded. Sith can use them on everyone.

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Exactly what an undercover Jedi would say.

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The theory is suggesting that every time he is influencing someone he is also waving his hands, the rest of the time would be the cover up

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I mean, perfect cover. He just does it more naturally than when it's an obvious mind trick.

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He's always waving his hands around because he's a bumbling idiot!!!

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You also don't live on Naboo so there's that.

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sounds exactly like a SITH SPY WOULD SAY!

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Get 'im, boys!

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Sith spys can be girls you know.

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Upvoting for awareness

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Interesting points... but I think most people will still have trouble seeing Jar Jar as anything other than an idiot

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Only the weak-minded ones fall for jedi-mind tricks.

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I buy in. Especially since I find child Anakin far more annoying than Jar Jar.

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Yippie!!

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Well, I've never seen the movies, so I'll actually keep this in mind when I get around to watching them for the first time.

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That depends. If the reveal is done with an absolutely devastating act I think it would make it a lot easier to see him in this new light.

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Kill leah. kill leah so hard.

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Not sure if it matters,but in the Nature universe there was Tobi who was a complete fool but turned out to be a major antagonist in the show

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That's how powerful Jar Jar really is!

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But just imagine, Jar Jar with slow, deep sentences that have menace dripping from every word. A complete reversal of his character

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It would have been way cooler, yeah. But I think the theory might be right, that Lucas chickened out due to how much people hated Jarjar.

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Dude......... Ho.... ly..... shit.

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Yeah, it is super exciting as a concept. Although if you didn't look into it, it would probably come like a sudden simply made up change.

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Not if they added flashbacks of the previous movies and used them like OP did. Mid-battle boasting intercut with relevant scenes would work.

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Oh, missa afraid da deflector shield ganna be quita operational whena yousa friends arrive.

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Special Officer Doofy 0_0

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Where's that image "Don't worry, meesa gonna avenge you Annie."

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This. Yes!

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You-sa gonna be joinin' the dark side now, Annie.

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It would break the realism of the movie to me. I want this to be true, but I just don't think it can be pulled off

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I imagine him more beastial bearing his literal fangs in anger.

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Its a cool idea and I hope you're right about Lucas' original plan for JarJar, but I think Chekhov's gun has sat for too long. (1)

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Not going with this or at least hinting at it in the prequels makes it feel like to much of a retcon. People just want to forget him. (2)

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Kind of like Quirrell at the end of the first Harry Potter...

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Or the gimp from the usual suspects.

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Verbal Kint

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Can we finally just admit this: Lucas isn't a story-teller, he's a toy-seller. Gary Kurtz is the story-teller and he left after ESB.

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Have you ever seen THX 1138? Or realize the fact that Lucas wrote the movies? It was only after star wars became popular he made the toys.

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Yes, & let's not forget his ex-wife Marcia. It was her edit of Ep 4 that made it to the big screen. The original edit was crap.

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Well he did put together an amazing team and came up with the idea to make a movie about space samurai. Kudos for that.

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Also, most great movies end up having tons of edits. Also really bad movies get tons of edits too. Lucas is a great writer, just not perfect

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Yes.

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If you're familiar at all with Dune, I liken Lucas to Holtzman. Had a couple legitimately genius ideas but was largely supported by others.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That 'Luke Goes Dark' article says RotJ originally had an ambiguous, darker ending but was changed to a 'euphoric' Ewok party for toy sales.

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Exactly. Lucas is shit for story telling. That's how I know none of this is true: Lucas couldn't ever come up with anything so subtle 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 4

Can I just tell you I love your name, my fiance and I say it to each other all the time when one is rude

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Wasn't Kurtz brought in to help write the script for Force Awakens? I remember reading that he was involved in the early creative process.

10 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

yep.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

1/2 I did a bit of digging and I haven't found that. The most that I've found is that he visited the set (see 2/2)

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

While I absolutely love this idea, they're giving George "I hate sand" Lucas way to much credit

10 years ago | Likes 323 Dislikes 9

Since you bring that up, the only way I could make sense of the Anakin/Padme romance is if he were subtly mind-influencing her. 1/2

10 years ago | Likes 114 Dislikes 2

An otherwise intelligent girl falling for such corny lines would only be possible with Force persuasion behind it. 2/2

10 years ago | Likes 122 Dislikes 3

"They only work on the weak mind." Well, when it came to Ani (at the least) she was that.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I thought that was what DID happen?

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

"i hate sand. it is rough. not like you. you are soft." - such prose.

10 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Omg I forgot about that terrible line *is crying*

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I somewhat agree. Lucas seems to have gotten duller with time.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lucas has ALWAYS been dull. Read any of his first drafts of ANH and they sound EXACTLY like the prequels.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lucas was horrible at dialogue, a genius at SFX and underratedly clever at constructing plots

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not necessarily. George has always been a great "ideas man". I mean, if he hadn't been, American Graffiti, Indiana Jones, and Star Wars 1/?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

wouldn't have been as good as they were. The ideas are always solid; it's the execution that's iffy. So I think this fan theory is 2/?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

plausible. It could very well be that George had a great idea, but executed it extremely poorly. 3/3

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The only reason Star Wars 1 were as good as they were was because more than a half of the movie was comprised from ideas stolen from Dune.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

I disagree. The story is one of seven classic story types, and besides the only parallel between Dune and ANH is the desert world.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You mean how he wanted Indy3 to be in a haunted house, and Han Solo to be some frog thing? The man was saved by people challenging him

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"I wish that I could just wish away my feelings." Yeah Lucas can't write dialogue.

10 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 0

Oh my sweet god, that was actually a line?

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

It's definitely not a masterpiece. But isn't that how terribly people speak when they're emotionally under pressure, really?

10 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

No, in real life people always give perfect passionate monologues without a single mistake. /s

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

I think Picard was better than Kirk.

10 years ago | Likes 133 Dislikes 6

Picard 4 life

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Agreed.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Literally laughed out loud +1

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Picard did not crush pussy.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Storm trooper accuracy argument- https://www.reddit.com/comments/gwtio/regarding_the_accuracy_of_stormtroopers/

10 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Does it explain how storm troopers have brain damage too? (looking at you EP. VI). Fan theories are fun, but not movie accurate.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

You should make this into a post

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It's been posted on imgur several times

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Except its horseshit. Just watched ep6 yesterday. The troopers were shit-tier in every way. And those were apparently the best of em.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

That whole thing with the Ewoks is shit.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 5

If you correct, it would be awesome. But Disney didn't buy SW from Lucas to take any chances. They are only in it for the money.

10 years ago | Likes 51 Dislikes 7

meesa gonna make biiig money master anakin, with grand poodoo...

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Disney's just trying to save the series from George Lucas

10 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

Pretty much this. Excluding the last movie of the prequels, which was only passable, George Lucas ran that franchise into the ground.

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Jokes on you episode 3 is the highest rated of all 6 movies.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I thought the last movie was the worst: really stilted dialogue.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You say that like the prequels didn't make tons of money. Financially, Star Wars was still successful as ever.

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

So was X-Men 3. Godfather 3. Fast & Furious 2 - 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. etc, etc.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Now all they need to do is get the rights to Indiana Jones and everyone will be safe from rape

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

what the fuck?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

it was an entire episode of south park about how lucas and spielberg were raping their franchises

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

the most expensive intervention in history.

10 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

If only GL actually had that much foresight.

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 3

It could just be an homage to Issac Asimov's Mule character in the Foundation trilogy

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Well...he DID have the foresight to retain all marketing rights...

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

IT WOULD MAKE FOR A GREAT EU BOOK, BUT I DOUBT THAT IN THE MOVIES HE WAS ANYTHING MORE THAN A SILLY CHARACTER FOR KIDS.

10 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 8

Now I really want and NEED this to happen!

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I'M BATMAN

10 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 1

+1 for relevant user name

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

LOUD NOISES

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

God dammit you beat me to it Brick

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Jar Jar was Anakin's father, but he got plastic surgery so he wouldn't embarrass him when he showed him his face.

10 years ago | Likes 269 Dislikes 9

THIS sounds like George Lucas.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But Anakin was born from the midochlorians, they say it in the first one, that there was no father, that's what made him the chosen one

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Would you admit that you fucked, Jar Jar? Nah midochlorians/immaculate birth was a risky gambit that paid off.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Haha

10 years ago | Likes 59 Dislikes 1

You know I feel like something stupid was said there by me, but I'm just going to roll with it.

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

You know you're one letter away from being sexysexygungarians

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Jar Jar : I'm your father. Anakin : Nooooooo!

10 years ago | Likes 38 Dislikes 0

Jar Jar: Annie, meesa you's father. Anakin: *blank stare at camera*

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

There's that mirror thing again

10 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

I have to say, this alternate universe is growing more and more sophisticated by the minute.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I've read a couple of these and I actually think this would be amazing if they had the balls to actually roll with it.

10 years ago | Likes 1969 Dislikes 21

My only request in this continuity is that JJ was using a fake voice and actually talks like James Earl Jones.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

People also fantasised that in matrix reloaded, the real world is a simulation too. But they didn't go with it and just made Neo jesus...

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

That's what I thought. It would have fit with the whole humans need conflict thing. Also jesus neo was stupid.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

"balls to roll with it" Have you seen BB-8? They are rolling balls, alright.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The only thing that I question is the falling/force sprint, the athletic jump and such that would to his hand to the jedi.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I enjoy the Belated Media videos about one guy's really good ideas for the prequels Episode I: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Episode II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAbug3AhYmw Episode III he said recently will be out before the new movie

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Episode 3 would have been an epic mindblow that would have made it a legend; millions of voices would cry out, only to be stunned silent.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

A plot twist 15 years in the making

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would walk out of the theater if they did this, no joke.

10 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 45

Me too. I don't know what's wrong with the internet today

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 9

I think we all would eventually, like when the movie ends.

10 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

Yeh I don't think it's something I wanna see come to fruition either.

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 22

Also, I just read that the voice actor for Jar-Jar said in an interview, that Jar-Jar's story arc was changed a lot after the first movie...

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Actually

10 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Las personas tienden a ver lo que éstas quieren ver.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

No me gusto Jar Jar, pero cada loco con su tema.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I want... to believe...

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 2

I think that never dropping the dumb-lucky-guy act when nobody was around made it hard for the audience to believe he's sinister.

10 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 2

That's the point. The real bad dude is the one you never realize was bad, even when he "accidentally" kills you.

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 2

I was talking about it from the Audience's perspective. Usually there are hints for the audience to put it together, like Palpatine from Ep1

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah there are times we see just him alone and he's still bumbling. Just a scene in the preqs being normal would give this more weight.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You gotta LIVE the long con

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

I was getting more at how nothing about him seems sinister. Usually, there are signs that only the audience sees hinting at these things

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I agree but some fan theories are so good even the creators will listen. I mean I would accept JJ as a sith, if when discovered he went evil

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

But his jump isn't a force jump. The species is akin to something like frogs, right?

10 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

That's what I thought, but a bumbling idiot with that beautiful jump? Even if you disregard that one point, the rest still adds up.

10 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Instinct? Or his clumsiness could be, not coordination based, but airheadedness.

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Are there any other instances of other Gungans making jumps like that? If they could all do that they should've done it in the fight scene.

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah this is really cool... I actually wouldn't have a problem with him being in more movies. Except that voice... So bad.

10 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

Could also be an 'act' or at least altered after a reveal

10 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Plot twist: real voice is James Earl Jones, Darth Vader's voice was a recording of Jar Jar's.

10 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

Darth Vader was Jar Jar all along!

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Ani was framed.

10 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That'd be welcoming

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Even though people were pissed about jar jar, having him revealed as "this was planned and even YOU Fell for his tricks"

10 years ago | Likes 95 Dislikes 2

And there we have it. On coming new "I'm your father" class of reveal.

10 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Would have been a good thing

10 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 2

If it goes forward though they would need a pretty intense explanation of where he is during the mid episodes.

10 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Really? It's a big galaxy. What makes you think you get to see EVERYTHING?

10 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I'm saying why wouldn't he be involved in the obviously major events? Its not impossible but it better be a damn good explanation.

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I feel like they could have made it work.

10 years ago | Likes 180 Dislikes 2

1-In the Reddit thread the author proposes that this was GL's actual plan with the 2nd and 3rd movies but changed it last minuet due to

10 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 3

2- the backlash at the original depiction of Jar Jar

10 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 2

Yeah that's in this post. I still think they could have made it work.

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Doubt it. It makes a larger continuity error than Yoda being Obi-Wan's master in the OT and Qui-Gon's appearance in the prequels.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Jar-Jar Binks is the Star Wars version of Tom Bombadil. Hooleee shit.

10 years ago | Likes 78 Dislikes 1

how "bom-bad"!

10 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Bom-bad... ill?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Wow. I've always thought the Bombadil scene was cut because he'd be annoying though kinda-sorta badass...jar-jar fits that perfectly!

10 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

This is by far the most convincing image that jar jar is evil.

10 years ago | Likes 305 Dislikes 1

is this from the trailer for the new one or from one of the other movies?

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Episode III Revenge of the Sith

10 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

thank you!

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah I totally don't remember that part. I'm waiting until December to rewatch them but this makes me wanna start now.

10 years ago | Likes 78 Dislikes 0

I'm going to be doing a Machete marathon and a Ring watch.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I started last week, gonna watch 1 to 3 this week

10 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

gonna continue the clone wars too, but I doubt I'll be done before 7 comes out

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

10 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

What's happening in this image, other than Jar Jar being by Sheev?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Jar jar is accompanied by Sidious's most trusted advisors and fellow conspirators? Why is he in this group?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How do we know it's jarjar, do we see his face thereafter?

10 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 1

yes that is jar jar. hes the only gungan known to be off their home planet during the movies.

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

He's also the only gungan in the movie depicted with a reddish hue to his skin, if I remember. The rest were mostly greens and browns.

10 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Even that, blues, greens, browns, all Jedi colors, but reds? Sith.

10 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

The robes, too. They look like sith robes.

10 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 0

Aren't those just the senate robes?

10 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't think he would've worn Sith robes in public, though.

10 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

Didnt palpatine practically do that?

10 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Once he became Emperor, yes. Before that point it was just senator robes.

10 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I don't think they were his actual Sunday-go-to-murder Sith robes, though.

10 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 0

This all would mean the Robot Chicken Star Wars specials aren't canon though. www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdS2kCUGvfo

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't know how to link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdS2kCUGvfo

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He becomes a force ghost, which further proves Jar Jar can use the force, what do you mean?

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well I was more thinking about the killing-of-him having a negative value for his living in the upciming episodes.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine". Seems like it's all part of the plan.

10 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0