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OmfgImNotLurking
Too bad current policies makes it extremely easy to put guns in the hand of those who are unlike @OP-
jackmiton
Small government is the exact opposite of what conservative parties provide.
acidrainman
You would say that tho...never trust someones opinion of themself...they tend to be biased
ihateusernamesnoidont
So ?? U don't mind cutting on the military? Biggest part of the government
Libbyloves
odishale
There is no current party with a chance of being elected that believes in small government. They say they do, but they don't.
ugunaeatdat
Stay off roads & bridges, out of armed forces & libraries, stop paying social security & refuse Medicare. Put ur money where ur mouth is.
Meloncov
You can wan't smaller government without wanting no government...
ugunaeatdat
We got that, and it's deteriorating fast.
AFreakingMango
“I only seem liberal because I believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage.”
Fwords
I prefer an efficient government, and if a politician's only goal is to go to Washington to screw things up, you are what wrong with it.
thefreshestD
The statement of small gvnmt via conservatives has always baffled me. Many run campaigns on minimizing abortion rights. That IS big govnt...
Snickaaman
b1ggusd1ckus
I'm a 38 year old white male liberal, and I don't want to take your guns away.
TearingAway
I dont know any liberals who want to take guns away; just the NRA driving the sales of guns;)
chakarakarama
I don't personally know any anti gun folks, but there's this... https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-ar-15-civilian-ownership
Horseymcfaceyface
Yes a petition that's totally accurate
chakarakarama
Well it shows that some people do actively want at least the AR-15 removed from civilian ownership.
Horseymcfaceyface
Yes they're are people who belive in a flat earth that does not mean they are in the majority
TimeFoDat
Well with 320 million people it can only be so small. I get what you're saying but when things get complex you have to make some concessions
FlameFrenzy
I'd like to see more state government things, leaving the Fed to handle major stuff.
homicidalslayer
Corruption/lobbyist influence over state governments has gotten so, SO much worse in recent years, though. Can't be trusted.
FlameFrenzy
Nobody really can be trusted in government anymore
TimeFoDat
I'm on the fence. It sounds good on paper but then States fuck with people's inalienable rights—blue & red states are both guilty of it too.
TheDenominator
Small is not in all cases a literal statement. When we say small government we mean a government with less power to affect personal freedom.
ItTastesLikePurple
I can understand the concept and want of "small government", but I've never seen a Republican successfully "shrink" the government (1/2)
ItTastesLikePurple
Usually "small government" means making state legislatures "big governments" that push around both the feds and local governments. (2/2)
TugAndChug
Have you seen Democrats "shrink" the government?
ItTastesLikePurple
I said I understand the want, not that I personally want that vision of "smaller government"
Pyrotha
That's because repubs don't truly want a smaller government.
ItTastesLikePurple
Certainly not, and when they "shrink" things, it always fucks over those already getting fucked over. NC's been doing this shit for years.
IronicUsername
I hate my state so much now.
ItTastesLikePurple
Every time I see Pat McCrory on TV I have an overwhelming urge to flip off the son of a bitch.
IronicUsername
I have to walk by the NC Executive Mansion downtown every now and then. I like to flip it off on the off chance he's inside looking out.
gringissimo
Take back your party from the anti-science nut jobs.
babayaga942
The anti science thing could be said of both sides
TearingAway
you spelled tea party funny.
iamdanman
You prefer small government, I hate the terms small government or large government. I'm a 20 year old liberal gun owner. But I prefer small
iamdanman
Government in some areas. A lot of conservatives like small government in corporations, but they love big government in the military.
selfmadecurve
I wish we could go back to a time when politics simply meant different opinions on things but mutual respect, not the shit circus we have
TearingAway
like when al gore lost in that wonky election; came out and said lets all move forward and support our new pres?
selfmadecurve
Yep actions based on ideas irrelevant of your opponents opinion
MintMission
Too bad neither party is small government.
SnuffleupagusWithAHat
This is why the libertarian party is growing
SomeAristocrat
"We need a government that doesn't stick it's nose in peoples business. Also, we need to keep the fucking trannies out of the ladies room"
SomeAristocrat
"No abortions, and gay people shouldn't be able to get marry or adopt children"
SomeAristocrat
*Married
TheMayorOfTittyCity
I've never met anyone in any party who advocates for "big gov't". Dems and Reps both want the smallest gov't that can carry out their agenda
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Who even needs governments when you've got corporations to step all over your faces. They pretty are the government at this point anyway
CharlestonWeaverson
Coca-Cola is killing us. Somebody save us!
driehl51
This sort of stuff usually happens because they collude with the government. No big company can force you to do anything, but the gov can
SciGuy
In the absense of an entity preventing it, what stops a company from forcing you to do something...?
thegrimtrigger
Everyone wants the part of the government they don't need to go disappear. It's just that different people need different things.
PartyAtYourMomsHouse
well we dont need so many fucking war machines... I dont think anyone needs them
SaintsHaven
25 year old gun?... It's time for an upgrade
fayseman
It's a conservative gun, so it'll last I presume
yontsman
Shot a deer with a rifle from 1908 so idk if 25 years is exactly out of date. Hard to mess up point, pull and powderboom blast
victoCorgiBaron
In Germany, GDR washing machines are going strong while many new models break after five years.
vaportrail123
But comrade, Kalashnikov shoots for 100 year before break. Why replace?
FFPatrick
Kalashnikov got nothing on JMB
TysonGoesOutside
As a gun owner... old is cool too. I've got a shotgun from the 1850s. P.S +1 for you funny man.
CaptainTypo
Dad?
Treblaine
No, glock is best!
Haxbrygd
I have one that was made in 1931. Tula Mosin hex receiver. :D
Dreigiau
I... may have started a mosin family. 1926 and 1929 Izevsk and a 1936 Tula, all hex. Tula isn't matching serials, but has no import mark
Haxbrygd
My Tula has all matching serials and no import marks. Love it to pieces.
barrettsmithbb
I've got a rifle that's coming up on 86 years
VeinyFleshtTrumpet
Genuinely laughed and have no idea why
Aerolfoz
As you might expect, an M1911 was designed in... 1911. And I do think you can get WW2 ones, and use them (If expensive).
peterhjp
Jack Bauer seems content with a (near 25y/o) USP. http://www.arune.com/images/BeJack.jpg
d0o0o0d
Firearms technology doesn't advance all that quickly. The last big innovation was probably polymer frames, and that started 30 years ago.
LiquidPoo
M1 Garand. You're argument is finished.
FFPatrick
IDK, I have a 1911 (Modern, but same design as original) and an M1917. Both still shoot great
gewalt
I have a beautiful 25 year old compound bow. I need to get that cleaned up again...
NotTheRealNPH
I nice 6 shooter never needs an upgrade
TrijezniMujo
Needs a good smith tho ;)
pizzabortionist
Is this why my liberal friends think stopping gun sales will take guns off the street? Shit my glock is expired, guess its a crossbow for me
d0o0o0d
People who don't own guns often have a wildly inaccurate idea of how quickly they wear out.
fredgiblet
People who don't own guns (and many who do) frequently have literally no idea how any of it works.
Thor73
People who don't own guns have a wildly inaccurate idea of them in general i.e. fully semi automatic.
RWebb00000
and just how many were made for the various wars....
AngryGroundhog
Can someone tell me the difference between 'small government' & 'deliberately neglecting anyone who was dealt a bad hand in life'?
Skywatcher16
small government- the idea that governemnt should be as unintrusiuve into the lives of people as possible, doing the absolute minimum in (1
Skywatcher16
regulating peoples lives, and stick to matters that affect the nation as a whole such as national security, international diplomacy, (2
Skywatcher16
and so on. aka: not what any republican has pushed since the party was founded, and high risk of doing the other via lack of regulation (3
Skywatcher16
in business law, tax codes, medical standards/practices/prices, election law, etc. anyway. source: im a democrat. (done)
AngryGroundhog
Sounds about right. All republican focus the past 8yrs has been on laws restricting people's constitutional freedoms, and...
asator87
Just don't fall for trump's bullshit. A crooked politician is better than a pile of shit
Shrekecutioner
0.02 cents have been deposited into your bank account.
chappiejen
What happens when that crooked politician is also a pile of shit?
asator87
Smaller pile of shit
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
Hillary's a corrupt pile of shit. Trump's just a pile of shit that benefitted from the corruption of politicians like her.
Horseymcfaceyface
Yet Hillary can actually run this country without throwing it into a lake of oil and setting it ablaze
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
I think Trump's capable of running the country. The main problem is his attitude. Personally, I'd rather have him over her, [1/2]
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
but he needs to be more level-headed. [2/2]
CharlestonWeaverson
It's pretty easy to get dumb Americans to continue to accept corrupt, big money, career politicians.
asator87
And trump wouldn't change that. He'd have the most correct presidency since Grant
Cayowin
is it still impeachable to lie to the senate? Cause if so straight after the inaugural speech, Trump = Impeached, going on past form
armeggedonCounselor
I'm not so much for smaller government as I am for efficient government. Which means we need to make sure things are properly funded so they
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can do their jobs, and we need to make sure they aren't wasting time or money.
TylerTheAnarchist
You might like this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fpNyVl3wWY
armeggedonCounselor
And frankly, I don't think the common Republican strategy of slashing it all to the ground and then burning what's left to ashes works.
DaleGribble88
Restructuring how gov't budgets work would go a long way to reduce spending. The current system of "spend it or lose next year" (1/2)
DaleGribble88
(2/2) encourages overspending on what could have been a "cheap" year, out of fear of not having enough during an "expensive" year
MyKeyboardmakesloudnoises
this right here piss me off, I worked painting state buildings even they didn't need painting because it was in the budget.
armeggedonCounselor
Agreed. Budgets should be considered on a case-by-case basis, rather than by having a blanket policy of any sort.
d0o0o0d
It's called Baseline Budgeting, and is a real thing. Good luck stopping it.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
I can respect that, but I feel that it's a little naive to think we can function with a small government. Best thing we can do is get money
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
YEA! http://www.comments20.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Money-Quotes-4.jpg O... Oh, I see your response now...
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
out of politics. Then we can work on making the government function more efficiently and effectively. But the idea of "small government"
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
fails to take into account the massive amounts of power wealth has in todays age. We have checks and balances on each branch of
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
government, because no one branch should be too powerful. The power of wealth also needs to have checks and balances. Without it they would
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
essentially over take the government, using their wealth to take our freedoms instead of law. We can't let that happen.
TysonGoesOutside
I'm in the same boat. I think fall more into libertarian... but I don't like their idea to privatize everything.
Metalsmith21
Libertarians a.k.a. People Who Don't Know History.
BigBlueBurd
It's called Classical Liberalism, the school of thought that the modern 'left' stole their name from.
TysonGoesOutside
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
ecodude
Except privatizing everything is like 99% of the libertarian platform...
TysonGoesOutside
And I'm cool with privatizing 99% of things. Just not essential services.
benisoyylmao
such as what?
TysonGoesOutside
Mainly healthcare. But also law enforcement, prisons, fire and rescue things along those lines.
CocaineAndSelfPleasure
Then you might be left of democrats.
feralgamer29
Then you're not a libertarian
TysonGoesOutside
I feel like I'm a little bit of everything. But I'm closest to them because I like their personal freedoms aspect.
ChrisLucas1
If you're not for privatizing stuff, then you're anything else, other than a libertarian in our political spectrum, besides a communist.
Sumpte
I don't think you understand what libertarianism is, honestly.
TysonGoesOutside
I like privatizing everything but essential services. But you've got a point I guess, that's kind of their cornerstone.
TheDenominator
No their corner stone is definitely personal freedom and small government. They see the privatization as an application of that.
manofmartin
Hi! Libertarian delegate from TX here. Why do you thing Libertarian means privatize everything? Just curious?
richsmit
"I'm sorry, you didn't pay your Fire Service premium this month. Try your garden hose."- Libertarian
benisoyylmao
you say that as if you dont pay for fire service as it is. and your scenario happened to my grandfather.
W92Baj
Yet you are happy to run your health service this way
slavik
Not really. Part of libertarian platform is to protect people's life, liberty, and property. Hence no private police or fire dept.
Sumpte
By that description they should also support a public health service.
slavik
I agree. That is the piece that is missing, IMHO.
TysonGoesOutside
That's my concern. The canadian libertarian party wants to privatize healthcare...
GreenLanternMD
Yeah, it's better to wait until it goes bankrupt to propose that insane idea....
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Why worry? You could have something like america's healthcare system! A clusterfuck run by greed!
TysonGoesOutside
I'm worried it'll turn into that.
ManiaGamine
I'm all for small government too, however small government often means minimal regulation. Which allows exploitative business practices.
d0o0o0d
Big government tends to be corrupt, and also allows exploitative business practices so long as the exploiter makes a payoff.
RepostSadistic
The bigger a Govt gets, the more regs it comes up with, and then we end up with: ya can't grow a tomato in your front yard, 1/2
RepostSadistic
And a little girl can't sell lemonade. Smaller Govt has to prioritize and does only important things.
whatsisname
Small government at the federal level doesn't necessarily mean small government at the State or Municipal level though.
CaboosetheteamkillingFucktard
Tom's River.
GreenLanternMD
Most "exploitative business practices" are by government granted monopolies (e.g., cable). Create problem, then offer regulation as answer.
AngryGroundhog
Right. & with climate change on track to destroy the planet as we know it, deregulation would be suicide for profit.
TearingAway
could you imagine deregulation of....well, anything? People are far too stupid already...
AngryGroundhog
I cannot. Yet the deregulation of basically everything is what a Republican presidency would mean.. Hello '08 financial crisis 2.0
Promethianfire
Regulation doesn't necessarially mean "keeping business honest." It often serves no purpose but to stifle competition from small business--
Promethianfire
or mandate pointless makework for powerful interests. This isn't to say that all regulation is bad, but a lot of exists to benefit the 1%
TylerTheAnarchist
Not always as clear as that. Often regulation only hurt the little guys while large companies actually lobby for more regulations.
VernimusMaximus
That moment when people debate without attacking one another. This thread ligitimately shows more tact than what the candadites shown.
GreenLanternMD
BTW, read up on the term "rent-seeking" to understand how big government grows even bigger thanks to those corporations who profit from it.
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MarcusLepidus
Enron?
GreaterDog
California's manufacturing is ridiculously regulated, though. Are we talking about different things?
Provel
But California has one of the largest and most invasive governments
baronridiculous
Enron was more of a federal than a state issue. Also it was based in Texas, not California.
EvenStevensEvenSemen
Exactly, it's not "capitalism run amock" it's protected corporatism
howManyUsernamesCanThereBe
Hey look, somebody who knows their shit. Thank you, foreal
SSLiberty
This! In a free capitalism these business practices lead to bankruptcy, not government protection.
RepostSadistic
Ha ha! Way to inadvertently support OP's position.
baronridiculous
Uh, Enron was in Houston, there, champ, and was regulated (or not) more federally than on the state level.
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snipekill1997
And the pipe burst at UCLA lost 20 million. While I agree they shouldn't have been sold it so cheap it's not really that much water.
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snipekill1997
Yeah, the pipe water couldn't be used in any way anymore while the Nestle water was expressly so. I was comparing one burst pipe as being 1
snipekill1997
more than half of what Nestle took to compare the amount of water lost. You're saying Nestle fucked California even more than Enron. That 2
snipekill1997
is ludicrous, estimates vary but put the total cost of the Enron scandal at around 35 billion dollars. ~1/3 of a percent of the US GDP. 3
causality
Government big or small, the problem is lobbyists, special interest groups, and no term limits.
geonerd
...not that having no term limits is great, but it's just not clear that it will make things any different/better.
geonerd
Term limits tend to put power in the hands of the parties to select their preferred candidates, which is the opposite of what you want.
Skywatcher16
minor note, parties count as a special interest group, which was also stated to be an issue. presumably this guy wants boh gone
captainspizzo
Bigger government = more lobbyists
Gawky
maybe in the US
Pyrotha
People are exploiting the current set of regulations like you wouldn't believe, so why should we have to pay all these agencies/bureaus?
Flopolopagus
We shouldn't be. Surely we can agree on some middle ground.
fayseman
Uh, what? Crime is our of control in this city, why do we even pay police?
Pyrotha
Was trying to say that regulations don't stop people from figuring out how to exploit the system
iAmLordBeer
Oversight of regulation does, though. When you cut oversight, you declaw regulation... which is exactly what "small govt" types have wanted.
ByThePowerofCommonSense
I like small government and state governments in some instances but there are certain things like marriage and unalienable rights 1/2
ByThePowerofCommonSense
2/2 that have to be enforced over the entire country not state by state because we have seen it doesn't work well when they get to choose
Lactro
So you're in favor of nationwide conceal carry legislation instead of state by state piecemeal?
ByThePowerofCommonSense
Sure I am also for having any sale of a gun being only valid with a background check no matter if the sale is between family members
ByThePowerofCommonSense
I am all for guns just every person should not have access to every gun and some should never be sold to anyone besides law/military
Derpercaust
Our government today is a big source of exploitative business practices.
SexyClaptrap
And that would make it worse.
Skywatcher16
how the fuck do ya figure THAT?
SexyClaptrap
Because all of these corporations that already fuck us over when there are SOME limitations would have zero limitations to their fuckery
Skywatcher16
...because we took away their lobbyists? what? are you even talking about anything in this collection of comments?
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
Because we allow bribery in the form of lobbying. Stop the influence of wealth on congress.
d0o0o0d
The only way to get money out of politics is to make politicians not worth buying. That means less powerful politicians, not more.
GreenLanternMD
Ding, winner.
BiteTheHandsThatThieve
How are you going to do that without essentially giving all of that power to the wealthy? Deregulating wont work.
d0o0o0d
A big part of the reason the wealthy are powerful is because they're buying the politicians.
MightyDogFart
The US has been continuously deregulated since the mid 70s. Since then, per capita income stagnated while megacorporations flourished.
GreenLanternMD
You *can't* be serious. The first sentence is just delusional. The 2nd is because regularity "complexity is a subsidy" that favors bigger.
baronridiculous
This.
captainspizzo
Source?
magicaljaye
I think the issue here is how people define "deregulation". Business is more regulated now than it ever was. Yet you contend deregulated 1/2
magicaljaye
Rather, "crony" capitalism--politically connected helping their friends, lead to exploitive business. Usually suppressing COMPETITION... 2/2
khora
Also, regulation and enforcement of regulation are two very different things. You can deregulate in practice without changing laws.
magicaljaye
And you can regulate and choose selectively not to enforce on your politically donor CEO friends.
khora
Yes, though less likely, as they don't directly run agencies.
benisoyylmao
didnt OSHA start in the 70's? didnt emmission standards start in the 70's? wasnt the brady bill and the ASB passed in the 80's/90's?
benisoyylmao
wasnt the EPA started by Nixon, (a president in the 70's)?
MightyDogFart
Aswell as wall street and other cartels. Just sayin.
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MightyDogFart
Actually, I've read a few during my masters degree in business management. But sure, can you recommend a particular one?
bearofbeards
A Donald trump add was underneath your photo...
CaffeinatedSquirrel
Funny, my Ad was about PPI.
SrDave
Ads are based on what you search.
ReCaptcha
Not really. I get ads for brands I never really interact with.
bearofbeards
Treblaine
The Donald is wasting money trying to campaign on imgur? God he has a hopeless campaign.
TheFineBros
To be fair, I'm probably voting for him. I can say imgur ads has nothing to do with it though lol.
TheFineBros
https://i.sli.mg/tLpt9o.png If you quote trump being a flip flopping. I'm going to post about a Nmillion things hillary has changed on.
Treblaine
He's going to either split up families or deport American Citizens. He's blatantly going to defy the US constitution with a religious test.
TheFineBros
Last official plan for immigration I heard was that he wasn't going to be deporting illegals, but he was definitely going to make them start
TheFineBros
Paying taxes like normal citizens, and take a stance like the gang of eight, with a path to citizenship. And still plans on building a wall.
Treblaine
Then he's a massive hypocrite and his base should be in revolt... they aren't in revolt as they know it's his latest lie.
TJskillz169
I think you triggered Treblaine on that one.
TheFineBros
Maybe haha.
321Nik
but @Treblaine , i mean, he has some good points
Treblaine
What aren't outright lies are obviously untrue, like that America is in a worst state than it's ever been, by what logic?
trackthelost
"Cuz I've been on this planet for INSERT NUMERICAL VALUE years, and my childhood was pleasant, but then life became hard. Thanks Obama!"
Treblaine
Why? He's terrible. He's a liar. You think Hillary might be a liar, just read through the list of all the confirmed lies Trump has told.
Iamnotacreativeman
@TheFineBros has every given rights to vote to whoever he wants, just you @Treblaine.Just be sure to vote to instead of arguing over the net
Treblaine
Why are you bringing right to vote into question? I asked why and I exercised my right to say why not.
TheFineBros
Honestly they are both absolutely terrible candidates. I'm just trying to just the less of two evils, and the one more in line with my views
Treblaine
Hillary is not a perverted groper, who goes into locker rooms where the opposite sex is changing to oogle at underage models.
Treblaine
Trump said he would betray his NATO allies on a whim, have you any idea the shitstorm if Hillary even hinted at such an idea.
Treblaine
Trump has NEVER served in any governmental position in his entire life, he's never even tried to stand for any other position.
Treblaine
As to "in line with your views" Trump is not a conservative just because he's far to the right.
Treblaine
No, they are NOT equally bad, Hillary won't release emails that other people sent her, Trump won't do that OR release his tax return.
shingoshoji
Quit whining and let him vote for whoever he wants to vote because your opinion doesn't mean jack shit on the internet