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If you're British, do join in! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700005
This petition is to be debated in Parliament on 24 March 2025, broadcasted online here: https://www.youtube.com/UKParliament
madvin
As French, I don't think European people would be happy to see you come back, at least for the next generations because your current people clearly voted against us and spitted in our faces! We don't want to live in a union with these assholes and we prefer to see them suffer and cry hardly for several years because of their own stupidity, ignorance and selfishness!! Plus UK is exactly like Germany: they abuse and manipulate the EU for their own interests and totally don't give a damn others.
TheShoggothOfMosquitoCreek
It's just unfortunate US states can't join.
takhat
Europe getting it's act together is leaving the UK in the bed they fucking made
availlableusername
UnlimitedTrickPony
Brits have been the biggest pricks in the EU parliament for decades ... still hung over from delusions of grandeur of a long lost empire consisting of pale, skinny, crooked-toothed beanpoles & fat-assed, pig-nosed, inbred chicks who apply their make-up with a trowel because otherwise no reproduction would take place on this heaped-up garbage island ... if they come crawling back, we at least should have some fun: UK politicians should submit their application to the EU Parliament in ballet tutus
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Why the actual fuck would they let the UK back in? The racist, ignorant half of British Society lied their way out of the EU to the benefit of no one and the detriment of all parties. Imagine the workload and sheer loss of time involved in sheparding through the Leave decision by EU bureaucrats. What guarantee would the EU ever have that upon joining the UK wouldn't just sucede again because...? Oh I don't know someone says Banana cost £50m on the side of a bus. Sound ridiculous? It was.
deetatron
Now at 123,284
perlninja
Um, Europe had it's act together for years (well, mostly) - the UK voted to leave, so your post title should probably be "UK potentially getting it's shit together and hoping the EU will let them back in without too much begging"
BillHubbard
tbh the UK never properly participated. Always asking for exemptions and their own way.
And when the economy was finally back into a proper state, mostly thanks to EU investments, the narrative changed into complaining about having to co-pay for other EU states that needed financial aid for growth. And then an almost American selfishness kicked in causing Brexit.
The good thing is I liked the run down state of the island over the properly fixed up state. I'll be visiting again soon.
Agatsu74
Yeh no time for pouting over Brexit, no hard feelings, we need to unite up in this bitch. Shit's dire yo.
PurifiedInTheWatersOfLakeMinnetonka
And when the EU says No:
derekjohn
I'm 71, a strong remainer, and this will not happen in my lifetime, if ever.
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derekjohn
I wish my early death would precipitate some action, but it won't, I'm sorry.
frecklesaremyfetish
lets keep it real. britain wanted the benefits without the burden, but then the burden kicked em in the face and they didnt have the benefits.... anyways, lets try it over in my country. /s half of europe
nasukkin
Good luck getting Erdogan to sign that one. Gonna need it at this point.
trinxter
Off again! On again! In again! Out again!
Through the machines they raced round and about again,
Changing their stars every minute or two. They kept paying money.
They kept running through until the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew
Whether this one was that one or that one was this one. Or which one
Was what one or what one was who.
trinxter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLPe7XjdKc
malbec
Let’s see if we can get Canada in on this!
torp
Thatcher 1984 : "Where is my money ?". French 2025 : "Did you check up your arse, dear ?"
writerbuddy
Becoming an EU member again would ease the bottleneck pressure on importing and exporting goods, but the UK can't regain its former position as the EU's financial hub, and the common language of the EU will never again be English. So there's a business advantage in rejoining, but zero prestige. And the humiliation will never go away. I vote f*ck 'em all, don't give them the satisfaction of seeing the UK limping back like a whipped dog begging for scraps.
GoodChange
I would love for them to rejoin but that’s not a quick thing. There needs to be political stability in the uk and clear signs that the people in the uk understands the eu a bit better (and a stop to all the lies about the eu from prominent politicians, many tories still spout the same lies that they did leading up to brexit) so the next Tory government can’t start brexit up again.
CarlBassett
You do know that it was a LABOUR MP running the official leave campaign, right? Remember that infamous £350m a week slogan on that bus? That was that Labour MP who did that. Tory Boris was well known, but back then he was a mere backbench MP and wasn't running the campaign.
CarlBassett
It was also a Labour government who got the Article 50 exit clause added to the treaty, and kept us out of the Euro. Had it not been for Labour the UK leaving would have been all but impossible as there would have been no legal way to do it.
ChloeRed
It's also not a quick thing as we don't actually meet the criteria to even apply at the moment.
smellsmiketeenspirit
And the bar to apply is now higher and costlier. EU was very clear that they couldn't bring back special treatment the UK had.
ChloeRed
Now now, be fair. one of the biggest arguers for the higher requirements was.. the UK... ;)
Noodlesocks
To be clear, the debate could literally just be them saying "no" as they have done with a number of other petitions brought to debate.
FoamingToad
They did, on 19 November last year IIRC.
longtermlerker4eva
Of course they will, ignoring / steamrollering the results of a referendum would nearly be political suicide, their only way to do it would be to call another referendum and hope the majority votes sensibly. They’ll never do it by a parliamentary vote now
Youhavinagiraffe
They wouldn't need a referendum if a party won an election with it as a key manifesto pledge. They definitely would need to win some kind of vote on it though
Youhavinagiraffe
There was a petition to revoke article 50 (i.e. cancel the process of exiting the EU) that got several million signatures
Spidey209
They ain't getting their special privileges back. I can't remember what they were, but they had them.
Maraxus
As much as I (EU citizen) would personally like to purchase from small UK-businesses online without massive toll, the UK was always a very destructive factor when it came to getting stuff done in the EU parliament. So while it makes economic sense, the political situation is just to tense currently.
mikeatike
Why would the EU want them back?
SyntheticReindeer
Sure, but the UK wont get back their bonuses they had last time.
torp
As a EU member, 2 conditions : adopt euro and schengen agreement.
FoamingToad
Brit here that agrees with you. Plus reform of our legislature - FPTP needs to be gone.
CarlBassett
As a Brit, no thanks. But you do what you want. The EU is doing the right thing supporting Ukraine. You have the UKs support. From outside.
torp
Don't care. Base of discussion was "If UK wants". Not "EU offers". If UK doesn't want, EU is fine with nowadays situation. So there is no "no thanks" as we don't ask anything. :-)
CarlBassett
The comment I replied to said "As a EU member, 2 conditions : adopt euro and schengen agreement." To which I said "No thanks".
torp
The comment "As a EU member .... " was an answer, not a question. And the question was UK petition to rejoin EU. UK asks. EU asks nothing. If UK answer is no, then they will not try to rejoin EU and thus not ask anything and thus my answer will not exist. My answer exists only if UK asks something. So 'answering' the answer in a hypothesis where it does not exist is irrelevant. See ?
CarlBassett
So YOU can answer a hypothetical question, but I'm not allowed to? Yeah, things like this are the reason we left.....
LariCheltsy
Brenter?
JackHL01
Brenter? I barely even knew her!
turbodog
Breturn
iguessihaveto
Brentrance
LariCheltsy
Yours is better
totallynotagoat
Eunter when ready.
boognish115
Can someone please explain to me how these petitions work? I’ve seen it work in local elections for adding candidates to ballots and for getting specific bills already written onto ballots, but I’m at a loss for how petitions work otherwise.
SirChadwellHeath
This may explain it https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/711532
RadishIsAMeat
Once they reach the required number of signatures it has to be debated in parliament, they problem with this system is they just say "nope" and that counts as having debated it.
Sheldonian
I think you mean the UK getting its act together, this was completely UK's fault
agentcutielocks
Blame Farage and racist idiots like him. The rest of us wanted to stay.
ijustwonamathdebate
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Germany
Russia
America
Nah mate, it was the Brits and no one else.
Sheldonian
Yeah in reality it never should have happened but we live in the stupidest timeline
agentcutielocks
I know, right?
CarlBassett
Funny how so many people (rightly) cheer on Canada for wanting to stay independent and not become just a state of bigger union yet when Brits want exactly the same thing that is apparently bad. Because being an EU member state would be exactly like Canada becoming a US state. Both would be part of a bigger union, would have "some" local power but be under the central government, legislature and supreme court. Why is independence so good for Canada but bad when Brits want the same?
BipolarFox
That's a whole lot of words to just say "i don't understand what the EU is or does".
NewTitaniumCorvid
Exactly the same? Yeah that should have stayed a quiet inside thought.
CarlBassett
Feel free to explain the difference between being a US state and a EU state. There are some, but there are also a whole lot where they are exactly the same. Bottom line, both are mere regional areas under a central government that can make laws and impose them onto all their member states.
Tengenstein
Yeah, no. We voted to leave a trading bloc we did the most of our international trade with, apparently to secure our borders. Which meant we then had to add loads of red tape to our exports and tariffs on our imports for the sake of not getting cheap labour from europe. Luckily 5 years later we've managed to offset the financial cost of the extra red tape by massively increasing immigration from non EU nations. Which is hilarious.
CarlBassett
So the exact same customs red tape that Canada and the US have to trade? So again, why should the UK join the EU but Canada can stay independent?
Tengenstein
I'm not saying it should, just tha brexit sacrificed a lot of free trade for additional red tape, UK was independent beforehand, now we're independent, but all our small businesses and industries havecadditional issues trading with Europe, and Northern Ireland is potentially about to kick off a civil war. Canada can do what they like, but they should probably understand the terms before picking an option, and not vote based on populist lies
CarlBassett
How was the UK "independent" when the EU could make and impose laws onto us and their supreme court could overrule our courts? By that argument Canada would remain "independent" if it became a US state. We also signed a free trade deal with the EU and the "issues" involved in trading the CEO of Nissan described as "peanuts". Nissan close their factory in Spain and moved production TO the UK.
CarlBassett
Also, what other "trading bloc" has a President, a parliament, a supreme court, a national anthem, a huge civil service, forbids member states from signing any free trade deals of their own and has been planning its own army under its direct control, not under control of its member states. The EU is a political union, a United States Of Europe. So why is it great for Canada to stay out of the EU but the UK should be in the EU?
Tengenstein
The EU is not the United States of Europe. If you think that your understanding of the EU and/or the USA is lacking. ECOWAS also operates a military, BRICS has its own Presidency.
As for the EU anthem, that's just a Beethoven cover. Literally just Ode to joy. It's more likely a European millennials knows it from Evangelion, or Civ II than thinks of it as the EU anthem.
FoamingToad
A "huge" civil service? ~45,000. We have far more public sector workers in Birmingham City Council. (Quick wiki check, seems to be more like 34K)
sneakypoo
I mean, "Europe" wasn't the one that decided to leave the EU.
Kryppers
Well, neither were the British, tbh.
It was a 51% vote of 60% of the voting population, hardly a strong majority. Should have always come down to a second vote when the terms were clear.
theworldcouldbeflat
How many seats do the Tories have after totally losing the Racists vote. Stop pretending Britain isn't totally as Fascist as the US.
madvin
Stop your BS! British totally confirmed this vote by voting after that massively for Boris Johnson! They gave him even much more seats than before!
BipolarFox
The majority (60%) of Brits didn't, in fact, vote for the tories or Boris. Nice try though.
madvin
Abstainers, by definition, are responsible for the designation of the winner and should be counted as having voted for him!
gobblinal
So much less than 30% of the people wanted something that was demonstrably going to be a horrible idea for them to even consider. I know having the right to vote is important, but allowing shit-show levels of minorities to control the rest of the country sounds like a VERY bad way to run things.
Che07
Well, at a lot of Brits though there was good reason to leave the community.
RayneOfSalt
Don't know why you're getting downvoted for saying something objectively true. Salty brits mad about their choices, I guess.
gyrozeppeli13
And some racist reasons, but I’m American so “stones and glass houses.” Glad there’s a petition on rejoining.
GravyEducation
Forensickle
And if we didn't count the votes made by people who died between the election and the actual exit, then Remain won comfortably
isthatyoujohnwayne
Thought. Thats the operative word there.
A bunch of those same brits are also dead now and others regret it.
I have a feeling if the vite was done again it wouldnt be the same result.
agentcutielocks
Unfortunately, the people who didn't vote for Brexit because racism were just straight-up lied to by Farage and people like him.
AwwWrecker
As a Brit, a lot of Brits were just wrong. The majority of Socialists, for example, were pro-Brexit for historic lefty and non-racist reasons. They were still fucking wrong.
FoamingToad
I knew a lexiter. Turns out he followed his union's line uncritically. Ended up believing the bollocks that it expedited the rollout of the Covid-19 vaccine (it didn't) and that Britain never had a veto. The former was shown to be bullshit when I produced a BBC (their preferred news source) fact-check article that directly contradicted this. The latter was disproven when Hungary blocked Ukrainian aid. Cut ties. Some people remain immune to reason. BTW, leftie but not pro-Brexit.
AwwWrecker
That's the problem I found with a lot of lexiters, or just a lot of socialists in general. They're almost purely ideological yet propagate slogans and mantras without thought. I kept worrying about being critical lest I be seen as right wing. I understand now that not one political side has a claim to critical thinking. Though facts and science do tend to skew left. I'm an anarchist anyway, so hey.
FoamingToad
Yes, I tend left wing - although the very idea that I would vote based on what my (hypothetical) union said rather than consider what is being asked of me is quite simply anathema.
YouAreTheInsultMaster
How's that working out for them?
FoamingToad
Not well. Tory scorched-earth economic tactics haven't helped.
CarlBassett
The UK is doing quite well thank you. In the three years after Brexit happened the UK economy grew faster than Germany and France for example.
BipolarFox
Ah, that old half truth. Why don't you explain why? No? Fine, i'll do it - because Germany and France's economies were not in the fking toilet after Brexit. The UKs economy "grew faster" because it crashed after Brexit and had to "recover", lol - and it still hasn't done so. Germany and France's economies were stable and thus didn't "grow" as much in the same amount of time.
BipolarFox
Its like bragging that your car accelerated faster than your neighbor's, but that's because their car was already going at max speed, and your car was plummeting off a cliff. "It picked up speed faster then theirs!!!" sure - but you're not mentioning why, lol.
CarlBassett
Wrong actually. Brexit and Covid happened at the same time. The UK recovered to its pre-Brexit/Covid GDP **before** Germany. And even if your claim was correct, would that be admitting that the UK was actually doing very well after Brexit? Before it happened Remainers were forecasting the UK economy would be utterly screwed for decades. You are admitting that it actually is doing quite well and recovered quickly.
sneakypoo
My comment was regarding the title saying it is Europe getting its act together.
Che07
Exactly! I think it would be smart to get the Brits back without them loosing face. Know what I mean?
IAmASentientWaffle
Loose is what your mum is. You mean 'losing'.
ArrogantLoudMouthedBother
I don't, actually. Seems like a FAFO scenario. I'm happy if this comes to pass, but the only face-saving is moving back toward reconciliation
stevencloser
I think the "not losing face" train left the station a while ago regarding brexit.
Badprenup
Yeah, that train left the station faster than a Japanese bullet train on day 1 post-Brexit.
The only way they could get any of their credibility back at this point would be to openly admit how fucking dumb their decision was and that they never should have left. Shows a little humility and that they're able to learn from their mistakes.
trythebleucheese
You do know that UK does not = Europe, yeah?
Aurentis
Oh yeah? What's the "U" in "UK" stand for if not "Urope?
Checkmate atheists
IrrationalNumber
Okay, maybe. After you've sorted the inequality, the corruption, and switch to the Euro. Then *maybe* you can get back into the club you so carelessly stormed out of.
AZRAELSBLADE
Liz is dead so will stop them? That f*ckin’ milquetoast Chuck?
CarlBassett
LOL. Someone complaining about UK "corruption" when Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece and France are right there....
BillHubbard
That is very "we can because they do". Lead by example not by pointing at others.
101Medic
Easy, there. There's corruption enough for EVERY country
CarlBassett
IrrationalNumber
It's not the EU that's begging the UK to come back. Weather the coming economic storm that is the collapse of the US economy, alone.
CarlBassett
The UK isn't begging to come back either. And I'm far more worried about the damage Labour are doing to our economy than Trump. Trump is imposing tariffs on the EU but so far not on the UK so if anything Brexit has helped us escape his tariffs.
IrrationalNumber
US has tried to trade war with the EU several times in the past. They never last long. How about the UK? How experienced are your trade war experts? Gonna ask Farage to go talk to Trump and offer the white flag?
CarlBassett
Who do you think the "EU trade experts" are? You think the EU makes clones in a lab? The EU staff is made up of people from all EU countries, so many of them were British. Including people in their trade department, who may well now be working in the UK trade department. Where else would they use their skills and knowledge? The UK has joined the Pacific trade deal, signed a huge defence pact with Australia, a defence pact with Germany where they are building a factory in the UK and so on.
NKato
I actually agree with the euro requirement. They got an exception when they were brought into the EU back then, this time, no exceptions. Switch to the Euro, flat out.
CarlBassett
And the UK joined in 1973. The Euro wasn't launched until decades later. It was Labour under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown who kept us out of the Euro.
CarlBassett
NKato
They gave themselves the far-worse deal by LEAVING in the first place. They don't get to dictate all the terms when they come back. It's gonna be a negotiation, and this might actually be enough to turn the Euro into the world's next reserve currency, dethroning the U.S. Dollar. Have you considered that?
CarlBassett
But we're not coming back. Some people are just pushing this fantasy so they can imagine scenarios where they get some sort of revenge. Remainers are like Confederates in the US, still fighting a war they lost years ago and fantasising about an eventual victory that will never happen.
lunatic02
And then they return northern Ireland to the Irish.
SomeDetroitGuy
The people of Northern Ireland should choose what country they want to be part of.
lunatic02
Before or after it was flooded with people from England? Like what Russia is currently doing to Ukraine and other Eastern European countries?
kingralph10
Spoken with all the confidence of an American who has never been there
CarlBassett
Yep. Most of the "Britons" who moved to Ireland were Scots who fled Scotland to escape persecution, before Scotland joined the union with England. My ancestors were MacGregors who were driven out of Scotland under threat of death from other Scots. It wasn't a cunning plan of the evil English.
mike13815
Step 1: Send hundreds of thousands of your people into a country you have declared your own. Step 2: The people of (insert country) should decide!
Marsupialmessiah
At this time and circumstances, they already did that.
RadishIsAMeat
Name any country in history that was not created the same way.
kingralph10
Yeah but they’ve been there a few hundred years now so maybe in a weird way, their opinions about their country of birth are valid?
CarlBassett
I agree. The people who moved to Ireland from Scotland and England have been there as long as most "Americans" have been in America. So should all those Americans be kicked out or have their votes ignored?
NaughtButOne
Shush, that only works when you're talking about Palestinians benefiting from the Arabs conquering formerly Jewish land. When English people do it, it's wrong and bad.