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Bonchoman
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TheRustySheriff
Surely that went out the window once 'In God We Trust' was printed on the dollar bill?
stormelemental13
They didn't though. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
TheMustacheMemeQueen
That’s why it irks me so much when republicans (primarily) r always bring up religion, like no that’s not how this works.leave ur bible @ ?
Oxymuncher
"invented"
SecondSince
Implemented. I don't think they invented the concept.
Samsyma
Separation discussions are to late, I mean how long did we talk about abortion. This is in fact a religious lobbying since the beginning.
GravyEducation
"A man can't marry a man because of my interpretation of Christianity" they tell the Christians who believe that God doesn't care.
Abetterusernamethanyours
I need the michealscottthankyou.gif
GravyEducation
kamehameahahahaha
plus, we've seen/see what happens to states with meddling religious institutions. hint, it's not good for anyone
isittime2020
Seperation of Church and state- a solid reason why about the most racist football team in the world- who renamed themselves after Trump
isittime2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z9eEqctAGI&ab_channel=TheUnbounded
chris3spice
Whole heartily agree can you explain to my mom, cause "if the government doesn't follow God then our nation will fall" is all I get also...
chris3spice
"if the government doesn't follow God then us Christians are under direct attack from Satan"
GalacticLord
RayMC
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SoftwareEngineersRuleTheWorld
Just had this conversation yesterday :"if you don't want Sharia law, you can't have Christian law. All or nothing." They had no response.
CrumbyCake
https://www.churchofsatan.com/ These guys can help. Being serious BTW
W4RG4ZM
Hail Satan!
klaatubaradanickel
As a member, can confirm. Lots of good people doing good things and making the world better for it.
evilstuie
Oh Gilfoyle
Welverein
What about https://thesatanictemple.com/ ?
Noctourn
But the hyper Christian white supremacists have 100% voter turnout.
millenniumf
Luckily, they're the minority despite being a very VOCAL one.
thornedrose27
Andrew I will be borrowing this. Hope you don't mind.....
Primotimewaster
AMEN! s/
MerpDrp
The logic is pretty straight forward IMHO. Rational argumentation is hard as it is. Rational arguments don't work with "believers"....
MerpDrp
So, instead of trying to climb a steep hill, just say you're a man of God and the people who've submitted to God will let you govern them
Loctavius
As a church goer myself I 100% agree. It should come off of our money, pledge and courthouses too.
willbailey226131415
Well some of us still think the old gods are the coolest not this new confusing one that contradicts himself throughout his own book.
cookingachicken
Yeah, those Greek and Roman gods for completely linear and logical. Your ignorance is showing.
stormelemental13
Which old gods? If it's Norse, you're shit out of luck as the only sources were written by christians after the faith was dead.
willbailey226131415
Nope I'm from uk so the true celtic gods. Not the norse gods originally from another country
stormelemental13
1) There wasn't a single celtic pantheon, even in the british isles. There are substantial differences between the Brythonic and Gaelic.
willbailey226131415
Um no read a few books about the old gods from before Christians some written poems from earlier than 11th century were found
stormelemental13
What are they? I haven't heard of such sources being available and would be curious to read them.
stormelemental13
2) The great Britain was Christianized earlier than Scandinavia, 7th century, and our earliest sources are from the 11th century.
icommentwithsteveharvey
pacobedejo
Current issue is "I know you morally abhor this but I'm gonna steal your wages to do it anyway".
bigger66
abortion is against the natural law. we don't object to rape or fraud being against the law just because religions oppose them too.
millenniumf
And yet the Bible clearly condones abortion and baby-murder in Hosea 9:11-17 and there's nothing in the NT that condemns it.
bigger66
why is it almost always pro-choice people that bring up religion? You almost never see pro-life people bring it up.
cookingachicken
Because they just have to reveal how little they understand, speaking from ignorance at every turn. So frustrating.
Bonchoman
ILostIt
1) I’m pro choice 2) Louis C.K. had a great bit where he said if you’re anti-abortion it’s cause they see it as murdering babies, morality->
ILostIt
->being the issue over religion. So I see some validity in being anti-abortion but I agree it’s mostly a religious objection.
millenniumf
Don't forget people: the Bible condones abortion AND baby-murder in Hosea 9:11-17
thesameasyours
We need to elect more agnostics and atheists
diesel01
No, just more people who realize no matter how deeply held my faith the purpose of government is not to force it on you.
dmTim
Most of the ‘religious’ people who are elected are probably really atheists.
Thresholdpush
*pragmatists
thesameasyours
Can we even find 500ish of them?
Thresholdpush
Well... Recent history doesn't lend much hope there, but, I certainly hope so.
GravyEducation
Or just a woman. Or a Muslim. Or a Pete Buttigieg. Or a Yang. Basically any non-white or non-Christian person would be a good change of pace
GravyEducation
I mean ffs you can't call it representative govt if the only thing you pick out of the melting pot is a noodle
homoneurotic
This is brilliant +1
prototype024
Agnostic = not knowing right? I think the US has enough of those. But that's just based on what I, as a European, hear here on imgur.
cookingachicken
You must be so tired of American politics and infighting I’ve the dumbest shit
forscaleandbananayearsago
Its more abt certainty. Its not that they dont know anything, theyre just not willing to bet the farm that what they know is the only way.
Skevoid
Technically, agnostics are atheists. The word was just a lame rebranding by Huxley because of the negative connotations of 'atheist'.
buskill
Gnostisism is about claim of knowledge. Theism is about belief. You can be an agnostic theist.
millenniumf
Yes, but what he said was also true since when that distinction was made, being an atheist was virtually illegal.
forscaleandbananayearsago
It’s not tho. You can be a gnostic theist/atheist or an agnostic theist/atheist. One is ontological, the other is epistemological.
GrizTheChickenNugget
Came here to explain this but you already got it covered, nice. Another example for the unfamiliar: you can be agnostic Christian too.
cookingachicken
This does not mean people of faith cannot work in government.
millenniumf
It does when they're telling people that they can't do things because it violates their own brand of religion.
Bonchoman
Everybody working in government need to keep their slates clean, regarding both faith and finance
cookingachicken
Agreed of course.
NomDeImguerre
The religious right don't believe in Freedom of Religion. It's just a Bad Faith argument to push their beliefs.
cookingachicken
So all the other faiths that exist - Christians want ALL OF THEM GONE TOO? What about the Zoroastrians? Them, too? Such a stupid remark.
NomDeImguerre
... Have you heard the thing they say about Catholics? And they're actually Christian as well.
CrimsonReaper1985
Do not understand how some folks just have to interject their BS into others lives. Keep thy religion to thyself bible thumpers, we’re good.
soundnote8
I'd love to live in a world where "antiracists" advocating for segregation and discrimination didn't inject their bs in my life.
GalacticLord
Because slave owners and racists like yourself are abusing other people. That is evil.
SomeRandomDudeWhoUpvotesThingsHeLikes
For the millionth time, this is NOT what separation of church and state means, and if you had actually looked into it, you would know that.
GalacticLord
You religious extremist are so weak you demand control of everyone because you cannot control yourselves. We deserve freedom from your hate.
cookingachicken
Wrong on all counts (including being a religious extremist.) but WOW the loving tolerance of the left is stunning!
GalacticLord
Right wingers are the greatest terrorists in American history.
millenniumf
Actually, that's exactly what it means, because otherwise you have state-sponsored religion, which is what the founders were escaping from.
cookingachicken
My God, thank you! It’s the one issue that reveals the total ignorance of this country and its foundational docs more than any other. GRRR
drGrafenberg
Freedom from religion is just as important as freedom of religion. The old "keep it to yourself" rule.
cookingachicken
Oooh ... maybe you can write that into the Constitution for us!
drGrafenberg
We used to have that as an understanding. Then something happened.
ThicclikePaulBunyan
They included this because of the "Act of Quebec" that gave French subject of the king of England the right to keep their language and....
ThicclikePaulBunyan
religion. Until then, everyone who want to live in a colony of the British Empire, had to surender their language and religion to ...
ThicclikePaulBunyan
speak English and become a Anglican Church devotees. Many newcomers in America we're from other countries.
isittime2020
Judeo-Christian Nationalists********
isittime2020
Flynn solicited Russia for a veto vote involving the "nationalists" of Israel's settlement's that had....you guessed it
isittime2020
Financial backings/interests by Kushner/Trump's bankruptcy attorney....so yes. Flynn committed treason to put bible above state. MAGA!
isittime2020
But hey- its prolly viewed by 90% of the world what I said was anti-Semitic, when in reality, democrats are demonic pedophiles who eat kids.
isittime2020
Which is just a classic anti-Semitic trope being used by the right on the left now. For shame not knowing historic anti-Semitism ;/
isittime2020
So to those who got this deep- please a solid watch about the racist soccer team that renamed themselves after Donald Trump, in Jerusalem.
AtlasFutureOverthrowsAmerica
Im an atheist but let’s be clear. This country was NOT EXPLICITLY founded with “Separation of Church and State” that was only described 1/2
AtlasFutureOverthrowsAmerica
In a letter the Thomas Jefferson wrote. The fundamentalists know this and it’s a frequent argument.
DaveSamsonite
Freedom to practice ones religion without interference from governments or other churches was why most of the original settlers came.
evilcarp
Sure it wasn't because they were wanted for crimes in Europe? I know that's why some of my ancestors came to America.
bingle19
Sure they could have been criminals in europe. For practicing the wrong religion maybe?
cookingachicken
Yes
cardsox
Sep of church and st isnt in the constitution. Freedom of religion and to practice is. Sep of church and st was the federalist papers.
millenniumf
Doesn't make it any less of a great idea.
cookingachicken
But it doesn’t make it *constitutional*, as you assholes love to think, for Christ’s sake.
millenniumf
Neither was the woman's vote at one point, but we fixed that.
cookingachicken
The difference here, for those in the slow seats, is that one was already in the Constitution and the other was added.
millenniumf
If separation of church and state is already in the constitution, could you point it out? The 1st amendment only guarantees freedom of r.
cardsox
Right... but it cant be raised as though it is a constitutional issue. Just like Washington speaking against parties.
millenniumf
If the other 27 amendments can be done, this can, too.
cardsox
Honestly due to the high level of partisanship and the activation of the religious right in the 80s its really unlikely to have the support
millenniumf
Give it a couple decades, we'll get there:
Trelkeen
Actually it's both. Religion is to be protected from burdensome gov regulation/meddling AND gov is to be protected from religious laws
cookingachicken
Actually it’s both, how? Constitutionally?
Trelkeen
I'm sorry, i don't quite grasp your phrasing there. can you rephrase so i'm not answering the wrong question?
cookingachicken
The clause says that there shall be no state-run religion, and that the state will not infringe on the free exercise of religion.
cookingachicken
I don’t see your definitions in the clause at all? Maybe you can help me understand what you meant?
schananagans
its almost like they need to be separated from each other. weird.
Idriveboats
This is the ideal version where both sides are playing the same game by the same rules.
DooksandPooks
Like catholic adoption agencies and the government funding them to adopt to LGBTQ couples. It did not end well. Gotta keep em separated.
Djjazzyhorn
I'm simplier terms someone once said it's freedom "from" not freedom "to". People want to do things to others but it is supposed to protect
KrakedUp
That's essentially what he said.
Trelkeen
It seemed like he was only focusing on the later and not the former but i may have misread it
KrakedUp
No worries, just need to focus on his use of all caps. +1 For being civil on the internet.
Trelkeen
Fair enough! Stay safe out there and please wear a mask! Same to you
yourcommentisstupid
There's nothing in the post that contradicts that
Trelkeen
I might have misread it but it seemed like the post was supporting protections from and ignoring protections for religion
braggadocious
Yea, but actually that’s exactly what OP said so lets try to remember that
Rodvitner
Ye, do people struggle that hard with reading and understanding? Comment makes it seem like that's not exactly what the OP says...
CoeurFranc
Religion is organized brainwashing machines and shouldn’t be protected. Spirituality of individuals should.
Trelkeen
I'm not an overly religious person but i don't feel my views should trump theirs. Religious protections are a key part of freedom for them
CoeurFranc
It’s what religious organizations want you to think. Societies will be free only when they’ll get rid of primitive superstitions.
Trelkeen
I don't really disagree, i'm more logic/science person but at the same time there is value in the moral compass it provides but that aside>
Trelkeen
it is not a good thing to oppress the rights of people to believe as they desire regardless of which supernatural being they worship<
Ketheres
As long as the religion does no unconsensual harm to anyone, I'm cool with that.
Ketheres
If a religion asks for genital mutilation, get it done on consenting adults instead of babies, for example.
Trelkeen
I'm with you on that one. I'm not an overly religious person but i'm certainly not anti-religious
Lark2370
Problem is brainwashing, anyone willing to carve up their genitals for their cult is probably not mentally healthy
magicrhombus
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If they're only doing it to consenting adults, it is a big step up.
countryg33k
I agree. Consenting adults is one thing. Don't mutilate your infant. It's so disgusting.
InterAppWrecker
If we go under surgery to change our body outlook it's not crazy to do it for religion. Just make sure there's approval