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See:
https://rosen.house.gov/media/press-releases/rosen-introduces-bill-restore-americans-internet-privacy-protections
Apr 6, 2017 10:17 PM
glovelyday
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See:
https://rosen.house.gov/media/press-releases/rosen-introduces-bill-restore-americans-internet-privacy-protections
s0cietya5under
iamalreadyaghost
No money to pay off anyone = will not pass. It simple math
floorbatter2010
Let me repost this on pornhub so my congressman sees this.
Ak47oh
NSA wiretaps us: meh CIA cracks our smart tvs: meh ISP might use web history to sell us stuff: zOMG! I do not understand this.
TBarracuda33
If you believe you have or ever will have internet privacy you should spend more time on FB.
ComeOnManYouHadOneJobToDo
Does anyone have a link to the full bill yet? Curious what other non-sense was throw in there with it. Like give congress a 50% pay increase
unavailableyourcallcantgothruasdialed
I literally only go to youtube, hulu and netflix. Mobile imgur. That's it. I'm so lame :( no fb no Twitter no cool porn
animatic
Good move.
Silvermane
ISPs aren't interested in your internet history. It's Google and Facebook you need to worry about and these bills aren't stopping them.
jonestown
Is this like the republicans introducing legislation 60+ times to repeal Obamacare knowing it had no chance of passing?
SoundFuture
It is precisely like that, and Bernie's Medicare For All Act.
AshleyK11
...
TAPMayhem
RESTORE??? You have gained and lost NOTHING. Obama specifically exempted Google and Facebook. It was a sham/scam.
ALHY
Why did he do that?
MikaelMagnuson
We act like we ever had internet privacy. Your ISP has always had access to your browsing history. The law to stop that was never enacted.
Abysse
Upvoting, because this needs to happen
Smithway
Does it also stop sites you visit from selling your data like Facebook, Imgur, Reddit, Twitter, ect?
JAC0BY
No that is in the company terms of service. Meaning any info they collect from said service can sold.
unavailableyourcallcantgothruasdialed
I only go to imgur and youtube. Like...if they sold mine it would be on the discount dark web. 5 and below-low-and-lower.
Jitrogetyaown
Oh no now everyone knows I like Latina amateurs !
Mercenarity
How surveilled will some people be before they decide that perhaps it's a bit too much.
alpacapocolypse
We know about the midgets too
Shmooferino
Bless this woman!
BeefChampion
"Restore OUR internet privacy!" The Americans cried while the rest of the world chuckled
underweargnome
Have an upvote for awareness
Kenblu24
Fuck that. If you live in the US, CALL/EMAIL THEM NOW. https://whoaremyrepresentatives.org/
lighterletter
And another!
lighterletter
And another!
minkuschild
This seems like somethibg stupid to be aware of. Because its a stupid idea in the first place. They want my diary basically.
jadespider
Unless it puts restrictions on websites and not just ISPs, then it's ineffective bad policy.
CakeTraveler
violetlovesjasmine
I never got the argument about legalising a crime because the law isn't enforced. "They're breaking the law, better get rid of the law?!"
petrie911
There was never a law.
Naiirita
Stopping a law from taking effect is not the same as not enforcing it.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
That's not really applicable here, but the argument is it undermines the rule of law - people lose faith in the government.
Jameski07
You are all just fooling yourself if you think your browsing history isn't a gold mine and a bill will keep people from exploiting it.
glovelyday
If you yield to despair and see no hope for change then you are doomed. Leave it yo others and you are forever a victim.
Jameski07
Didn't say I give up. I'm saying money is much more powerful than a bill and someone (the govnt) will then take it over like student loans.
glovelyday
Money is not more powerful than a bill that becomes law. Sheesh. Here maybe this will help you: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBpdxEMelR0
Jameski07
How many congressman go to Washington and then get rich? How many laws do we have that aren't enforced? Withholding $$ from bad ISP's? Yes!
glovelyday
You act as if the majority of people in his country had a choice of ISPs. New flash: most do not.
AntonioStark
I've tried. My congressman doesn't understand how the internet works.
glovelyday
Then get a new one.
AntonioStark
Unfortunately I can only cast one vote. But I try.
glovelyday
All anyone can ask/do.
jackbinimbul
But I live in Texas =(
StarrrryNight
Then you're fucked.
TemporalOnline
You can try support Justice Democrats...
SendMeReplicasOfYourDick
Then be a leader and try.
jackbinimbul
I'm transgender. That's how you end up dead in a ditch.
SendMeReplicasOfYourDick
Hasn't stopped me yet but I live in Los Angeles. Be safe.
Yarek2745
I mean, we wont be "restoring" our security since the original law was never put in place. People fail to realize that it was an Obama 1/2
Yarek2745
Administration bill that never had the time to be put in place. So really, things will be saying the same for the most part
shuttlecockinakumquat
Hold on, we're blowing shit up.
Buddy77
dictatorchang
Now I want to see the rest of this GIF.......
TheMagicalMushroom
He dug his way to China
GorgeFloyd
There is no rest. He's still there to this day with his head stuck in the snow and his ass pointing up in the air.
ShittyBiologyTeacher
Pretty sure it's from planet earth or something. The fox does that to catch food underneath the snow.
daftgamer
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/01/11/foxes-use-the-earths-magnetic-field-as-a-targeting-system/#.WOePY2nythE
dictatorchang
Wait, are you saying they do this on other worlds?
ShittyBiologyTeacher
Planet Mars: Ultimate Fox Snowdown
Towelyban
Spoiler Alert: It was a Vole
daftgamer
It is from Planet Earth.
PizzaGovorun
Lemme guess... She's not a Republican?
Whwat
bbbbut...both sides are equally bad!!!!!
PizzaGovorun
Bad? Yes! Equally? Not anymore!
PizzaGovorun
Just checked. Yep, not a Republican. Also, a computer gerk, so she might know what's this about. And from my Alma Mater.
Lierofox
Geek + nerd = gerk?
PizzaGovorun
Unintentionally, yep. Damn you, sausage fingers! Maybe I should upgrade to 7+? Actually, I'm thinking of ditching the Apple altogether.
sebastionloeb
Google pixel looks alright. And i trust them to make shit not designed to break after two years
Azerai
Be careful with your trust
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
Yeah, fuck Apple. An android is cheaper, more reliable, and isn't obsolete as soon as a new one is released
alysdexia
http://bgr.com/2017/01/09/iphone-vs-android-2017-reasons-people-switch/
alysdexia
http://bgr.com/2017/02/01/iphone-7-vs-android/
alysdexia
http://bgr.com/2017/01/20/android-vs-iphone-sales-2017-feature-comparison/
YouSignedTheGodDamnedContract
This press release is great and all. But before we urge our representatives to support it we should probably read it. There has yet to be 1/
OhKittyWhoaKitty
So much this!!!
dnalerb
This 100 times
AphidTaco
Someone'll put a rider in it that adds abortion funding for puppies with aids and it'll die.
TST100
Doesn't look like it's available yet. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1868
lurkmoarjono
Thx
gentlecyclone
. Don't want to lose this link! Thanks!
ohthatwordbumsmeout
ShinyMatador
No. No. Your comment is not ok.
ReverseTrapTsukasa
It should be said that while the is still being reviewed in before it comes up for a vote, Congress-people can still add amendments to it.
ReverseTrapTsukasa
This can even render the proposed bill useless even if it does get passed.
utgort
"But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." - Nancy Pelosi
CaptAJRimmer
You've actually read an entire bill before? I mean, honestly, who reads a whole federal bill?
Vaanhalen
Speed reading courses ou an be completed in about a day.
Etal00
Here's one in a few seconds. Use a pointer (finger, pencil) & move it to make you read faster.
obuw
We need one of those tldr summary bots for federal bills.
DickInAToaster
Sometimes these things are only a couple of paragraphs, especially one like that's a repeal bill.
Lamplord
Not even our Congressmen/women read the bills! Why should I?
Gayforbae
The same guy that reads all his EULA
Manateechica
You're correct, hardly anyone does. In my law classes I had to read entire bills....cruel and unusual punishment.
TollForTheTroll
Not all are that long.
OrionRed
Try this one!: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/861/text
Spinnyd
http://curry.com/ <--- this guy
TST100
How long are these bills and what should are some key things to look for when reading them?
TST100
*what are some key
WhenWillThisTurkeyBeDone
Asking the good questions! @op??
AnnoyingFrenchCorrector
rockgolf
Actually this will not restore internet privacy, it will introduce it. ISPs have always had the right to sell this info.
Qumefox
The previous FCC rule that got removed didn't allow them to sell non-anonymized data. So while they could sell the info 1/2
Qumefox
2/2 "Some of our customers surf porn 24/7" They couldn't sell "John Doe at 1313 mockingbird lane surfs porn 24/7"
BigDumbFaggot
But will it prevent other companies like Google and Facebook from selling the exact same data? Probably not.
Clockworkdancerobot
Problem is can you imagine the legal hurdles needed to deal with that kind of lobbying? Baby steps might be needed.
BigDumbFaggot
Lobbying should be banned imo, but any sentient person knows that's nearly impossible considering they run everything.
YouSignedTheGodDamnedContract
Any actual text or summary sent to the House. Before you support something you should know what it is. I'd upvote twice if I could, but 2/
CrunchyLookingLeaf
I really don't like you 3/3
Poobydooby
i dont understand why this was downvoted so vigorously. Its just a harmless joke
CrunchyLookingLeaf
bandwagoning.
6thFeb2015BoutTime
Seems about right lol
NorthmanoftheNorth
POTATOES 3/3
KhalFrodo
AND MOLASSES 4/3
eroso
To be fair, 99,99999% of us don't read the bills anyway.
MireLurkKing
Ah we have a member of Congress here I see.
Francesfarmers
We have to pass it to see what's in it.
eroso
That's actually a valid point. Laws don't matter unless they are enforced.
CrypticNeutron
I believe the previous commenter was taking the piss out of something the current administration said about one of their proposed bills.
YouSignedTheGodDamnedContract
You should be aware we don't yet know what the bill actually says. 3/3
oledyak
username checks out
ahobbitstail
You're the real patriot. Keep that shit up.
followthefirefly
User nae checks out
mcdude21
Yae
tajmox
Don't worry, it'll take at least 20k upvotes until one person actually writes a letter to their congressperson.
Vaanhalen
"That's how we discover what's in it, by passing it into law." -Nancy Pelosi
ohDannyBoi
She is a dumbass
MisterJellyBean
These "solutions" are also, often a way for no restoration of previously held rights, but more, permission with caveats - we should not
Penguinsruletheworld
This bill just reverses the previous decision Guys...
Ivain
If that's all there is to it, that's good. But we still need to read it before throwing support behind it.
MisterJellyBean
be willing to accept just "anything to lighten the blow", we MUST insist on 100% restoration of what I believe is our Constitutional right
MisterJellyBean
to privacy. Technology is ever evolving, and accepting this b/s now may have serious long-term implications and set a dangerous precedent.
MercilessFisting
Why not? It worked for the AHCA.
BattleMercy
im fairly sure this is sarcasm, but imagine the bill has in fine print at the bottom "only applicable during the hour of 23:01-00:01, any
BattleMercy
other time of day _______ has the capacity to lawfully tap all of your devices"
drj37
How can she restore something that was never there? The regulations that the GOP stopped were never in effect.
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HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Nope, absolutely false. That was the whole net neutrality debate, which is very much not what this is about.
TemporalOnline
ty
CourtneyRocks
It's literally an electronic way to share/pass information. It's not inherently secret, more like the opposite
TrustedAdvisor
As if she cares about pirivacy. She wants to get re-elected next year.
eroso
That's what republican narrative tells you to think. FTC did protect your rights, when FCC didn't at all. There's a reason for this storm.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Nope, treated ISPs like Google and Facebook.
eroso
Yes, Google and Facebook do protect your rights on some level. It could be worse,as it is now. Id rather have weak firewall than no firewall
CallMeRif
I think the correct term is to prevent or protect instead of restore or remove
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
This is true.
werker5000
Please read Bend3's comment in this thread: We use to have the protection under the FTC.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
That is also true. One doesn't negate the other.
johnnycharlotte
Exactly. This hasn't even gone to the House yet.
TheGrubinator
The House had nothing to do with the rules that were set to go into effect. Those were FCC-set regulations that were to go into (1)
johnnycharlotte
The senate has approved the sale of browsing info and now house can vote it down.
TheGrubinator
Ah, gotcha. Thought you were talking about the FCC-placed regulations.
TheGrubinator
Not the senate move to strike. That said, the GOP controls the House too.
TheGrubinator
effect this year. People *are* incorrect in stating that we *had* those protections, but the Senate bill was very definitely a stab at (2)
TheGrubinator
weakening the power of the FCC.
MidiArbite
Which is popular with (R) because of the memory of the Fairness doctrine and F*E*C attacks on Drudge.
Bend3
1) Not quite. There were protections in place by the FTC, then the FCC became the regulator so the FTC regs were to be dropped in place of
Bend3
2) the new FCC regulations. So it went from FTC protection to almost having FCC protection, to 0 protection now. Its convoluted either way
PunchViolenceInTheFace
Because Obama reclassified isps as utilities, so they moved to fcc jurisdiction.
Bend3
Correct. I tried to keep it to a minimal description so i didn't get more than 2 comments to get the point out
werker5000
Upvote this please people: this is the whole truth instead of the half truth some people are stuck on.
walkintheshadows
This change only gives power to other corporations that which Google and Facebook have built their empires. Internet privacy is a myth.
ScienceingForScience
Furthermore, those services are free. ISP costs money and is infrastructure
rudejohn
You think Google and Facebook are free because you don't write them a check every month? That's cute.
RxGeek
You can chose not to use Google and Facebook. Many people have no choice in ISP.
Notme68
There it is. I rarely use Facebook and only use Google for vanilla stuff.
glovelyday
Oh, so thwarting progress on individual privacy to benefit corporations is okay by you if the progress hasn't taken effect yet? Hmmmmm.
werker5000
Also, please read Bend3's comment in this thread: We use to have the protection under the FTC.
supersomatic
Oh, so lying to get your way is ok? Hmmmmmmm
Livix
It moreso goes that since the rules never settled to begin with selling info was always possible and legal, people just care now, I guess
werker5000
Also, please read Bend3 comment in this thread: We use to have the protection under the FTC.
glovelyday
The point is the GOP made a pointed political statement on the matter with their vote, this is an equally pointed response. Battle is joined
ChrisGibbons
Huh, benefit corporations? You would rather have a rate hike just for some security theater?
Cheomesh
Not at all what they said. Holy shit you are part of the problem with politics in this country.
TheGrubinator
Their point is that you can't *restore* what was never actually put into effect. They're getting annoyed with people mischaracterizing (1)
TheGrubinator
the issue. That doesn't mean they don't *want* the privacy protections, but they want a spade to be called a spade, and not (2)
TheGrubinator
a fucking top hat.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
The issue is she phrasing the narrative in a way that is a blatant lie. She's lying to everyone's face.
HighFunctioningAlcoholic
Where do you draw the line with politicians lying? I personally am a fan of drawing it when they lie.
morgan0073
Don't we agree when we download software to allow them to monitor and use are data for advertisers
TheGrubinator
Depends on the software. But *choosing* to allow an organization to do something is very different from being *forced* to do so. (1)
TheGrubinator
In the modern world, you can easily get by without Software X, and in fact you can probably find Software Y or Z that will do the same (2)
TheGrubinator
thing as X without asking to sell your info. But internet service is different. Internet service is a balls out necessity. You can't (3)
morgan0073
Its not a choice if it's for Windows or a software you need. When there is really no alternative, the choice is clear.
TheGrubinator
You can choose to get an OS other than Windows. It is not the only option. It's just the *simplest* option. Beyond that, you can turn (1)
jamaicamecranky
One of the few times the truth has been spoken, I am all for internet privacy but everyone keeps acting like it was taken away..
catznstuff
I think one thing that's different is under this law sites don't have to notify if they have been hacked
Jarjarthejedi
Problem is, going from "no rules, unknown if Congress will regulate" to "Congress repealed the regulations" is a significant change.
PigglyWigglyJigglyTuff
Yeah we don't want congress regulating the internet
kevincow
This isn’t regulating the internet. It's regulating what ISPs can do to their customers.
MoreCowBellBaby
Wait, so, nothing actually changed? The privacy rules hadn't came into effect? I feel like I've been good winked.
snotcaulk
Most people who mentioned it here didn't get many upvotes (or sometimes were downvoted).
werker5000
This isn't correct. We use to have the protection under the FTC, and the rule was being added to the FCC now that they oversee ISPs.
TheRealTungstenDontStealMyName
I think there should be a 28th Ammendment.
WoodNinja
It was taken away. Before we even got it.
glovelyday
Thwarting increased personal privacy is perfectly fine by you because the regulation designed to do it hasn't taken effect yet? I see....
PigglyWigglyJigglyTuff
It's pretty much a non issue, no ISP currently does this anyway.
glovelyday
So if we legalized burning down your house you'd be okay with that since no one's done it yet?
Anowlbeadz
Seems like a bit of a stretch
Thalarctos
Bullshit. AT&T does it. Granted, they're paying their customers who "opt in" to the program. Or they were. Now they have no reason to.
PigglyWigglyJigglyTuff
No they had no reason to before and they have no reason to now. Nothing changed. We as consumers must voice our opinions about this stuff 1
edzo1121
You're an idiot
glovelyday
Well that is certainly a convincing argument. I simply must yield to your clearly superior intelligence.
edzo1121
To be fair, my comment didn't exactly enhance my side. I should have said "I think your comment is idiotic" I don't them personally.
Negnarholf
Oh thank god, I was afraid this was going to become a prolonged disagreement.
drfsupercenter
Well I am curious, was it actually legal for ISPs to sell your history before this was to go into effect? I assumed it wasn't, and that(1)
drfsupercenter
The change that was supposed to take place just further cemented it, after the net neutrality stuff.
Naiirita
It has always been legalish. ISPS just have been late to the game.
jayar1st
ISPs can, and always have been allowed to sell your information. That was going to change, but now it will not.
drfsupercenter
Wow, I actually didn't know it was legal for them to do that - at least this spreads awareness of what they're able to do...
drj37
Besides, if people care that much about their ISP's doing this, they'll switch to one that won't, which *gasp* would be how the free...
drj37
market works. (and a hint for anyone on the left reading this: that's much better than the govt forcing companies to do things)
SudoNimm
*facepalm*
IAlwaysUpvoteRickAndMorty
And what is this other ISP you recommend o switch to?
PigglyWigglyJigglyTuff
Market opportunity
sebastionloeb
Its so funny when people try to be assholes but are totally wrong lol.
jayar1st
I'm pretty sure all ISPs sell personal information.
superev
Sometimes the govt needs to force companies to do things. Maybe not the case here but if a company clearly steals from or scams customers
superev
2/2 You can't just expect everyone to be fine with it and switch companies that's why we have consumer protection laws
Jarjarthejedi
Ha! Switch ISPs? That's a good joke! Like there are any options for internet service in the majority of the country. :P
PigglyWigglyJigglyTuff
Huh that must mean there is a market opportunity out there... Egad!!! Our generation believes "the system" provides all and doesn't 1/2