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I will verb however I want, Adobe.
May 15, 2024 4:43 PM
thatguyinportland
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I will verb however I want, Adobe.
woozle
cleverascanbe
They do not currently have a registered trademark for the transitive verb form. You can search for yourself: https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results
So get fucked Adobe.
iPez
OBEY CONSUME
aducksayswhat
Isn't this about 25 years too late?
EveryUsernameIsTaken4
They totally Britted
PanNonOpticon
Adobe hates how their trademark has become a verb. It dilutes the protection of their trademark and may one day become a generic term enough to lose trademark status.
barstr7
I got sick of using my pirated White Rabbit version and subscribed to PS a few years ago. I cancelled it in less than a year. I didn’t use it enough to justify the cost but I also hated how much crap it bloated my computer with. A lot of it is set to run automatically on startup. Ridiculous.
LucidPariah
Hey Adobe
SithariChaos
Google also really hates it when you say you "googled" something and not "i used Google to search for x"
BobAllen2004
OhIfIMust
SirPrized
If we use it enough they will lose their trademark and everything can be called photoshop
annonymouse211
God can you imagine being the asshole whose out-of-touch boss made them type this up and actually put it out into the world?
SteveMND
They have to at least make an effort to show they're against using it in that manner, for legal reasons. If they allow their trademark to become 'generic' (like kleenex, or xerox, etc. has over the decades) they potentially lose the ability to enforce that trademark when needed.
ScottPerri
Correct: Use Google to search for what you are looking for.
Incorrect: Just Google it.
PaperinoVB
" 'shopped, dude. "
FlyingGiantElk
Prescriptivist vs Descriptivist: one dictates usage, the other explains it. Adobe can control the use of language as much as people can control the new lingo the kids use. It’s futile and just makes you look bad.
OhIfIMust
It's about being able to maintain their trademarks and such; if they don't at least make an effort, then they'll eventually lose them.
Frogblender
If you don't defend your trademarks like a pedant you lose your trademarks.
mrollings53
Let me just Google that for you.
mrthewhitee
Correct: society decides what words mean and how they're used
Incorrect: a corporation dictates the meaning of a word for us to use
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Too late, Adobe. Several decades too late. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/photoshop Fuckers should be happy that their overpriced rental software is still so popular that its name has become a generic verb and adjective.
eronth
If it becomes a generic verb, they could lose the trademark on it. They're (poorly) attempting to fight that from happening.
onlyhalfghost
oh no, they'll lose a trademark on a word they made by removing a space. Fuck 'em with a rusty cactus.
Hekatombe
etameta
... And from seeing quite a few images enhanced with Adobe® Photoshop® in my time.
dreyfusslugado
most people just use " that's 'shopped" which (unintentionally) eliminates the trademark issue entirely.
insanitycontinuum
Yeah you should use the full version "photoshopped", especially when having used gimp or other alternative, to maximally dilute their trademark
RetrogradeLlama
Same company that's now telling people who use older versions of their software that they may be sued.
ChloeRed
...maybe sued by Dolby.
Litcube
Someone didn't read the article.
RetrogradeLlama
Which article? The one where Adobe said they'd no longer keep the license alive that was embedded in software they sold you... "because they can"?
mooingfrog
I vocabulary what happies me
RevolutionOnHerLips
The brain brains what it wants to brain
GravyEducation
To quote Rocket Raccoon, "he don't know talking good like me and you"
unJalapeno
I am reminded of my sister in law who used to work for Microsoft. When speaking about looking something up on the internet, she would say 'Bing it' as in trying to replace 'Google it'. Like 'fetch' it never happened.
Mikeiller
I still say google it even though I haven't used google in years.
Babomonkey
I tried using Bing for a bit to get points for free gamepass. My most common Bing search was to get to Google.
PicassoCT
most common bing search is "Systemsettings" .. every time you search something in the windows start-menue it counts as a bing search..
onlyhalfghost
it used to be "how to get help in windows 10" because pressing F1 in Windows 10 opens Edge to Bing searching that.
Badwolf09
OfficerCrabtree
Wait; what?…
ScourgeOfAges
I don't know the details, but there's some sort of dispute with another company over licenses or something. Tl;dr that's not literally true, unless you're using discontinued versions of the CC editions, or something. https://www.reddit.com/r/Design/comments/13l0j3h/adobe_tells_users_they_can_get_sued_for_using_old/?rdt=35450
Xenarion
Other comments on that post explained it: Adobe had a deal with another company to pay them per user for the digital product, didn't hold their end of the deal, and now aim to shift the blame to the users.
HellsHegemony
Shit give me a second let me Google that
JonWallace1985
“Enhance your searching with Google”
alcaray
I refuse to use that verb and I encourage people to use alternative search engines.
Ceomin
You should absolutely use it as a verb even if you don't use Google specifically. This kinda stuff causes companies to lose their trademarks, which is always morally correct.
Gaelwyn
Which is your right, but you also recognize that it is a verb and what it means because you're not being a petulant child (like Adobe is).
alcaray
Dude. Google is rich enough and big and powerful enough that they don't need my help advertising them.
alcaray
PS: I don't shop with Amazon, either. Another of my tantrums, I guess.
wadatahmydamie
Do you have any suggestions? I’ve tried Bing and DuckDuckGo, but they’re trash.
Google is trash too. 90% ads, worthless AI, and everything below the first two non-sponsored results are deliberately obtuse
maeta
There's alternatives if you search for them... Like ecosia or qwant
alcaray
In what way is DDG trash? They are my goto. I like their Privacy Essentials, as well.
wadatahmydamie
They’re good for privacy, but results-wise, it’s like the fourth page of Google back before Google was shit
mineoc
You’ll have to get used to what search terms give you the best results. You’ve trained your subconscious brain how to google well for years. You’ll have to train it on how to duckduckgo or how to bing well.
PostalHeathen
Thanks for making the software, but we'll take it from here.
SoraHjort
Naw, don't even thank them on the software, especially when it comes to the PSD file format. https://github.com/gco/xee/blob/master/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#L108
Reverayn
Making the software?
I don't know for a fact in the case of photoshop, but for Adobe audition they just bought the rights to Cool edit pro and then had someone else re-skin it as Adobe audition.
Based off this evidence I think its safe to say there's a high probability they didn't make photoshop either. just purchased the rights rebranded it and sell it as a subscription service for millions in yearly profits.
Arenlor
"...who sold the distribution license to Adobe Systems Incorporated in 1988."
PballQhead
Per the Wiki, Thomas Knoll wrote Photoshop (by that name) in 1988, his brother marketed the distribution rights and Adobe picked them up. They outright bought the rights in 1995.
Looks like they developed Illustrator, Premiere, and Acrobat in-house.
MidnaDS
For those unaware, this is a common thing where a product gets so ubiquitous that there is a risk that the company loses all exclusivity rights of the name of their own brand or products. This is more common than you may think. Nintendo famously did a similar campaign in the 90s "There is no such thing as a Nintendo." because people would call all game consoles Nintendo. An example where a company failed to do this would be Bayer who lost their rights to the brand Aspirin in certain countries.
Xenarion
That does make sense.
LjubljanaJeNajlepseMestoNaSvetu
Bayer also does not attempt to regain rights to heroin
Dragondraikk
So you're saying we need to use the word "photoshop" for even more things
JosephSelah
None of my homes called all Nintendo consoles "a Nintendo" but our parents did.
Feralkyn
Jacuzzi, Kleenex, Band-aid, Jell-O, Velcro. Idk how many of these actually lost trademarks but those are some trademarked names that ended up pretty widespread.
ChristianSalge
was looking for this comment
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
Yep, they're desperate to not have their precious trademark become generic. It would be bad news for Adobe if every image editor could call itself a photoshop, so they have to do dumb shit like this to show they're protecting their trademark.
marsilies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark
Xenarion
Interesting read. I didn't know the term "game console" came from that.
discitus
Unfortunately for Photoshop, they became so prominent that it's past the point of return. They're in Velcro territory now.
studog2010
Velcro comes in plaid!?
Babomonkey
As long as they can show a court performative gestures like this to show they are defending their trademark they're unlikely to lose the trademark.
mithiwithi
They're accomplishing the goal of keeping other image editors from using "photoshop" in their branding, and that's all they're accomplishing.
ministryofpeace
That's gotta hurt. They should put a band-aid on it
Dingusdork
Ding ding ding! This is the message I was looking for. Can't have a brand name become too ubiquitous, but you still want everyone to be using it. It's a tightrope walk for companies.
studog2010
The actual thing is that trademarks must be defended, or the owner vacates their rights to the trademark. Defending costs lots of legal dollars, and it's a constant war.
FaecalJacksonPollock
Hey Adobe,
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BangPowBoom
Yoink.
MrOne2
What they are trying to prevent: https://www.gerbenlaw.com/blog/court-google-not-a-generic-trademark-lessons-trademark-owners-should-learn-about-genericide/
NotSomoneElse68
Here's my guess. A brand names lose some of their claim if their product becomes the generic term. i.e. Kleenex and Bandaids. They're trying to protect their asset name.
PinkEater
Feels like a slight against Paige. We try and protect Paige on imgur. She's always finding trouble to get in to her.
NorrinxRadd
The gif I didn't know I needed until now
Firsthope
I wonder if anyone has sent this to Greg Abbott yet. Seems like something he should see.
Nintend064
Gimp is a free source alternative. It may not be exactly equivalent but it's free.
mebe21
@adobe
BeerCir
xiconfjs
Millstone85
The cactus was a surprise.
chunguswangus
PAIGE NO
psstuphere
Take your misogyni to twitter
chunguswangus
So you went back a week to find something of mine to comment on and criticize, and not only did you incorrectly identify it as misogyny, you couldn't even spell it right? Wow, you are BIG mad, huh buddy?
psstuphere
You incorrectly identified my comment as transphobic, so I did the same kind of thing to you.
Akule
Usually is.
Mithi
"A surprise to be sure but an unwelcome one."
BobbyVegana
speak for yours... no no, you're right with this one
SodomySnake
Correct: I pirated Photoshop. Incorrect: I'm going to pay Adobe $20 a month for the rest of my life.
zcon
im running ps cc 2015. with all the new tools I'm hoping there's a pirated version of whatever is out now
RuffyRuffHausen
shitheadtookmyname
Or you could just use Gimp, watch is free and has been for DECADES. I haven't needed Photoshop in decades.
gesel
Gimp it up, become a 31337 haX0r, it is surprisingly easy. Download the software, install, run, hax your images! https://www.gimp.org/
MelfsAcidArrow
I prefer Affinity’s suite - permanent license across all my devices for $200, with free updates
ablamboo2
Ha, ha. Awesome!
VaultGirl69
Fuck it. Use open source GIMP for free. Make a donation to them. No worries.
jrblast
I'm sure Photoshop is probably worth it for professional use, but Gimp is some of the best FOSS I've used. Really powerful stuff.
SeismicCoin
photog
Someone asked me if I Photoshop photos. I explain all photos from professional photographers are edited. So they reiterate, so you Photoshop them? I said I edit my photos in Lightroom. They said that's the same thing. I tried to explain that photoshopping an image is more synonymous with changing an image drastically vs editing only a few features/color/composition. They were still dead set on trying to say my photos are fake with out saying it. I told them their phone does the same thing.
JohnSmithterms
I paid affinity 30 bucks once. No monthy fees. And i dont install cancer on my machine with pirated software. Can highly recommend.
matterific
My small business uses Adobe. Prices just went up to $3100 per year. (40% + increase). Probably going with Foxit when our contract expires.
killdread
More Correct: I pay for free image editing software designed by furries.
SneakorsMcSneakorsface
I don't care who made it so long as it works without drawbacks.
NaskaV
Sadly the furries haven't designed a good alternative to Substance Painter just yet
2074red2074
Even More Correct: I use free software.
MapleSyrupMafia
I donated to GIMP not that long ago. For what I do with it, it's almost the same thing as PS, but without CC refusing to uninstall without a removal tool because it asked me to login to uninstall it... and I didn't have an account on my extended free trial version.
lrateyourrig
That's fucking evil
OtterlyMagnificent
You use GIMP too?
BobbyVegana
it's consensual, the GIMP even like it
MatrimBloodyCauthon
I pirated photoshop, and photoshopped the execs crying about it.
sxweet
Krita might be a nice alternative
DeanSledgehammer
Correct: I paid 70€ for Affinity Photo 2, one time payment. Incorrect: I'm gonna keep using adobes bloatware.
MelfsAcidArrow
I heart the Affinity suite. Got the trio for under $200
lleuth63
One time payment, forever updates, tons of optional addons at no cost, and (as far as I can tell) no limit to how many times/machines I use that code for. Affinity has been baller af
BourbonandLust
Yup, Affinity is my software of choice here too.
Klaustrix
I paid out for the affinity suite, hoping it'll be a decent long term investment - so far so good
GeekDadKevin
Same - the iPad apps are great as well as PC. I don't do everything you can with them but I am not hampered on either.
DeanSledgehammer
I wish they did an android version.
Klaustrix
Yeah there's only a couple of small things like shortcuts for + / - effects on tools being kinda awkward and fixed in place, or behaviours that I'm not used to from years of photoshop - but it's gradually becoming more flexible.
YellowSparrow
I am still salty AF that the CD version I own has apparently been disabled.
JohnSmithterms
Affinity photo is better than cs .... and its a 1 time fee of like 30 bucks. I love it.
YellowSparrow
Thanks for the tip!
JohnSmithterms
You're welcome I bought whole suite so I have publisher for layout and designer for vector work. Its great for what I do which is web and 3d game dev.
HarperLee
I bought the extended suite when it first came out, free updates for life, apparently. There's a learning curve and I don't always love how it handles Fuji images, but $70 a decade ago was so worth it
JohnSmithterms
Yup I also bought v1 suite and then paid for v2 like 4 years later. I am concerned affinity got bought by canva but as long as they do not do a monthly subscription I will stick around. Else i am outta there.
teberoth
About the recent "Adobe will sue you if you use old Photoshop" thing? Clarification is: older versions had licensed material from Dolby and that agreement has expired so -technically- Dolby could sue you for using the concerned material. Adobe just gave a "head's up" to the situation. Still f*CK Adobe, but I don't feel this one is totally on them
thetonestarr
Yeah this post just makes me want to pirate their shit even harder
Thanshin
And then get sued for using a version other than the latest.
billiebitkiller
I tried a free trial of an Adobe program since I was a student and qualified for some free suite and that was the first time I've ever used a legit Adobe product and tbh its a million times worse than the pirated versions, I've had malware less annoying than "Adobe creative cloud"
SodomySnake
Even the pirated version was too annoying for me. The Adobe Updater was constantly running in the background and deleting that made the whole thing not work, so I just went back to my original pirated copy of PS7. I could probably acquire a newer version, but meh, PS7 is fine.
Zedrapazia
Can you tell me where you got it from?
SodomySnake
Limewire in 2003. It's so old it can't comprehend drives larger than 1TB. If you didn't grab a cracked copy of PS7 back in the '00s, try monkrus[dot]ws.
whyowhyareallgoodusernamestaken
https://affinity.serif.com/ highly recommended!
taurondir
The problem is not "I have to pay $20 a month for this incredibly good software", the problem is "I now have 50 things asking me to pay $20 a month whether I am using them OR NOT using them and that $!000 fucking dollars a month"
shitheadtookmyname
If you're not using them cancel the subscription??
lleuth63
But it's not good software. Everything adobe makes has become incredibly unstable and they crash constantly, no matter the specs or OS the machine. They corrupt files frequently, as well. And while I agree a monthly charge wouldn't be a big deal if they started that way, they didn't. They proved they can run a profitable company without monthly fees and it's just greed
taurondir
Well gees that even worse then
DavidRoland
GIMP
SodomySnake
Unless the UI has improved drastically since I last tried it, I'm not really a fan of GIMP, though I appreciate the effort. I do wholeheartedly recommend Inkscape for vector graphics though.
DavidRoland
Inkscape is great. GIMP has updated the UI for ease of use
spattr
Xerox the rule & scotch tape it to the wall.
MangaSpawn
Use some duck tape also.
Zeterai
Honestly, I'd assume that's more that people just failed to pronounce duct right, and the company came later to take advantage of it.
spinballwizardmtg
Why not just write it in magic marker?
LosPer
And then toss it in the crapper
FoolishMortal
rollerblading all the way
AkailAzul
Can I Google how to do that?
CandiPositivityShaper
Post-it...
DeimosBarret
If that fails, you can Velcro it
Dantethebald
Why not use velcro?
ScourgeOfAges
If we need to cut it to size, I can skil saw or sawzall it down
DrDantheMedicalman
You googled that, didn't you
wurth
If it falls to the ground, just hoover it up.
2074red2074
Who the fuck says "scotch tape it"?
piscimacy
My dad
abion47
It's awkward as a verb, but saying "scotch tape" to refer to any kind of small clear tape is common.
Akurei00
However that's still using it as a noun rather than a verb, like Googling something would be.
abion47
Yes, but it's also very common to turn a noun into a verb, such as "I'm busy today, I'm going to be adulting". This is two common casual linguistic practices merging into one final result.
Fanner50
Now do one that has lost its trademark this century…
ThrowingSchadenfreude
Pilates became genericized in 2000.
skullybano2526
What are you on about? Xerox, Kleenex, and Band-Aid all have active trademarks too. These are simply products that became so ubiquitous that we use the brand name as a generic term. No one says go grab me a facial tissue, it's grab a Kleenex.
Fanner50
Lawyers are always chicken little-ing people about losing trademarks, then they generally give you examples from 50 years ago.
In the current day, it is very uncommon for a trademark to be cancelled by the PTO because of general use.
But it keeps lawyers employed, sending letters to people who write Velcro instead of hook and loop fasten.
spakatak
I honestly can't recall the last time I heard someone refer to them as a Kleenex.. it's usually just "a tissue" here
Snooj
I might have to Google it.
Fanner50
And you’ll find “Google is still a valid trademark”. I have not seen anything that says they have lost their trademark. If you find it, please pass it along.
artistandascholar2000
Go to the app store or the dumpster any day even on taco Tuesday
Fanner50
App Store trademark remains "Issued and Active".
Dumpster trademark was cancelled in 2015.
Taco Tuesday was relinquished, not lost/cancelled. Yes, it matters, ask any lawyer.
skwint
And if anyone complains, Boeing them.
brownribbon
Make sure you use a Jetway to get on that Boeing.
Twrecks123
I don’t think we have enough bandaids for that.
TheRealScotchie
FairfaxJack
My favorite is that the Brits refer to vacuuming as “Hoovering”
maincarrot
When I, with my delicate and sensitive western Canadian ears, hears hoovering, I just think it's a Newfie trying to say hovering.
RickySpanishhhhh
My friends say that for snorting …
skwint
And I write with a Biro and drive on Tarmac
acridweasel
We also say "Sellotaping" rather than "Scotch taping". We have both brands but Sellotape is more prevalent.
SlyeFox
Because Sellotape is the British brand, Scotch tape is American. Being that both brands started in the 30's, Sellotape has had a much longer time to become the UK's go to brand.
acridweasel
Yes, I first encountered Scotch tape in the 80s when I was a kid and it seemed new and amazing. I still remember the fancy sand-weighted dispenser I had. Sellotape seemed like old people's sticky tape!
artistandascholar2000
And if you are concerned, grab a kleenex and dry your tears.
Ryebread91
And then watch them weep into their Kleenex.
swarthod
Put a bandaid that cut, and get your velcro shoes on
CatoTiger
Remember to Hoover the floor first otherwise you'll end up with dust stuck to your shoes.
alyssaaac
Will someone get me a coke? Dr Pepper is my favorite.
JustJoshinya9001
Is Pepsi okay? If not, we’ve got a jacuzzi for you to relax in instead.