"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed". Ike
Here’s the part I need you to understand. They steal our tax money to buy toys to defend themselves. They steal our children to defend them. Not the country. The terrible people invested in Raytheon who hand Raytheon billion dollar contracts with our money. To protect themselves. Our police to protect themselves while we endure abuse, and our children die in schools. These horrible evil old men with no souls have enslaved us all.
Military inmdustrial stonks are up tho officials bought stonk before, Trump gopt $1b fron Oil cos https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157">00157131">https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131 https://www.investigativepost.org/2026/03/10/trump-officials-tied-to-industries-they-help-regulate/
Also worth noting that providing free healthcare would *also* be cheaper to taxpayers than our current system of subsidies for healthcare and health insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
The idea *is* to keep it expensive for the tax payers to funnel all the money from them and the government to private investment companies through lobbied insurance company scams.
It is cheaper, more effective, and vastly better for the economy to ensure life's basics are covered with housing, food, healthcare, education, and other core basics than it ever is to ignore problems and load up prisons and graveyards.
Ok, I just saw this in Reddit and I’ll make the same comment here that I did there. Most of these weapon systems aren’t even American, most of them are Russian weapon systems. And even for the American weapons systems, the dollar amounts seem to be random.
Don’t get me wrong, the US spends a lot more money on combat systems then they need to, but just making shit up doesn’t help your argument. It just makes it look like you don’t know what you are talking about.
It’s really unfortunate that a lot of my comments on imgur are trying to combat misinformation from people I generally politically align with. A fair amount of the time I get downvoted because the intent of the post or comment seems to matter more than whether or not it is true.
20mm rounds for the M61 are about $27 each... at a cyclic of 6000 rpm, it is about $3500 per second.... I am not sure of that Russian 30mm rotary cannon being shown.
The 5 inch Naval gun is around $250 per round, but there are some guided rounds that can cost over $100K each.
Yep... tho... it does make a good point about how there is unlimited money for weapons while there is no money for food, housing or healthcare for the people paying those taxes
Large parts of Western Europe during the Cold War had double the military spending by GDP compared to the current USA while also having universal healthcare.
So, technically, you could use the CIWS to attack air and surface contacts within a 1000m or so... but it isn't designed for it... it is intended to stop incoming missiles.
Government housing is also notorious for being incredibly difficult to get into. There's often a months or years long waiting list. The national average wait time for it is over 2 years. Even in Texas, the average is 19 months.
There aren't enough people in government housing to bring that average down, which is why it's so high.
The number of section 8 units is hard capped. It doesn't scale with population or need. It is a fixed number of units period. It's been locked since 1999. No new subsidized housing can be added. And older housing that is condemned cannot be replaced so the amount of government housing is actually lower today than in 1999. While US population is up by 60M since 1999. See the Faircloth amendment.
FreePalestineAndTheWorldFromIsrael
Murdering children in other countries to hide from accountability and consequences of raping them in your own.
Frobizzle
Why exactly would a missile still cost so much anyway. It doesn't really make sense.
Kassimila
More than half of those aren't even US ships rofl
pintgudge1975
Regime change in the United States now! Repubs AND Dems!
Lampmonster
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed". Ike
boobsalot
Big plus - the American people would actually like you then.
chingadamadrex
It’s true…. It would be too expensive…. Not to capitalize and make a boat load of money
djangojazz
Think of the billionaires for once!
dixxienormus
Funding 3 year old kindergarten would probably stop this stupidity developing in future voters.
Fortherea
I really think redirecting that launcher is more expensive than $60
0xBADA55
Well yeah, but those are there to defend you against made up threats and Wars, like the War on Drugs
Eyeetsass
Here’s the part I need you to understand. They steal our tax money to buy toys to defend themselves. They steal our children to defend them. Not the country. The terrible people invested in Raytheon who hand Raytheon billion dollar contracts with our money. To protect themselves. Our police to protect themselves while we endure abuse, and our children die in schools. These horrible evil old men with no souls have enslaved us all.
Audasity
we could have bought every single homeless person in the USA 4.5 months of rent with what we have spent on iran war in under a week.
michaelfire
Military inmdustrial stonks are up tho officials bought stonk before, Trump gopt $1b fron Oil cos https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157">00157131">https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131 https://www.investigativepost.org/2026/03/10/trump-officials-tied-to-industries-they-help-regulate/
Freyja33
Also worth noting that providing free healthcare would *also* be cheaper to taxpayers than our current system of subsidies for healthcare and health insurance and pharmaceutical companies.
Sidewaysgts
“I don’t want MY tax dollars paying for YOUR health care!” - idiots.
Bonsaipanda
The idea *is* to keep it expensive for the tax payers to funnel all the money from them and the government to private investment companies through lobbied insurance company scams.
ThatGuyFromJustSouthOfTheMiddleOfNowhere
You come to see the US healthcare system is working perfectly as designed once you realize that it was never designed to benefit the patient
Baltzdelirium
Won't someone hink about the CEOs!
Kotarisu
I do, but not in a positive way.
imgonnaralph
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/11/30/easy-pay-something-costs-less-new-study-shows-medicare-all-would-save-us-51-trillion
ProppaGanda
Yup. US is already spending more PUBLIC money per capita than any other OECD country - and they double it with private spending.
realrealluckless
Spend More, Get Less.
It is the Regressive way.
It is cheaper, more effective, and vastly better for the economy to ensure life's basics are covered with housing, food, healthcare, education, and other core basics than it ever is to ignore problems and load up prisons and graveyards.
sevenfingerman
The term is “economy’s at scale”. It’s just easier to buy in bulk.
trondason1
Universal housing is cheaper than homelessness. Universal education is cheaper than an uneducated population. And so on and so forth.
Freyja33
https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MXh2ZXJlM3hhbm4wNmk2d2xqMmxhazJ2MXR6dTkybDFpOGU3ODB2diZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/AyPs520p8Di2k/200w.webp
TrueNorthernLights
Hey, Trump said it himself, he loves the uneducated.
JaceCameron
"But but but free market regulates itself" right wing boot lickers
LanceSackless
I mean it does, just not in a way that benefits anyone who matters
tentacularfleshscape
The invisible hand of the free market can fondle my sweaty balls
Exdeath5000
Hey cancer might kill you but at least another nation won't! /s
mafiacarstarter
Save American lives, so that we can kill them here at home!
Exdeath5000
'Murica!
sevenfingerman
Ok, I just saw this in Reddit and I’ll make the same comment here that I did there. Most of these weapon systems aren’t even American, most of them are Russian weapon systems. And even for the American weapons systems, the dollar amounts seem to be random.
Don’t get me wrong, the US spends a lot more money on combat systems then they need to, but just making shit up doesn’t help your argument. It just makes it look like you don’t know what you are talking about.
lemdarel
It’s really unfortunate that a lot of my comments on imgur are trying to combat misinformation from people I generally politically align with. A fair amount of the time I get downvoted because the intent of the post or comment seems to matter more than whether or not it is true.
sevenfingerman
You know, I was just think about that today....
lemdarel
Oh, and nicely done on your post breaking down the factually incorrect components of this post we are commenting on.
sevenfingerman
Thanks. The arguments over on Reddit were getting to me. Then again, I’m not sure that those arguments are being made in good faith.
milikl
Guns are not THAT expensive, rockets and torpedoes on another hand...
sevenfingerman
Yeah, the dollar amounts don’t correspond to the cost of ordnance being fired. Also, most of these are not American weapon systems.
ProphetofEntropy
propaganda just needs to feel true
bigblindguy
Torpedoes are the only pedos the government will fire.
bippityboppitybuttsex
20mm rounds for the M61 are about $27 each... at a cyclic of 6000 rpm, it is about $3500 per second.... I am not sure of that Russian 30mm rotary cannon being shown.
The 5 inch Naval gun is around $250 per round, but there are some guided rounds that can cost over $100K each.
ProphetofEntropy
they also show chinese weapon systems, they also have universal healthcare. the post is just propaganda.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yep... tho... it does make a good point about how there is unlimited money for weapons while there is no money for food, housing or healthcare for the people paying those taxes
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, quite a bit of Russian equipment being shown... and the Russians have universal healthcare.
ProppaGanda
Maybe they could conquer Ukraine if they privatized it!
mormacil
Large parts of Western Europe during the Cold War had double the military spending by GDP compared to the current USA while also having universal healthcare.
ProphetofEntropy
yea, there is also a chinese weapon system show. the reason america doesnt have single payer healthcare is they dont tax their billionaires enough.
bippityboppitybuttsex
The reason we don't have universal healthcare is to make sure we stay at low paying jobs.
ihavethelowground
And some of those are purely for ship defense so more or less protecting billion dollar asset.
bippityboppitybuttsex
Correct... tho, Torpedo launches and gun mounts are offensive weapons, all of those various CIWS's are purely defensive.
ProppaGanda
there is no such thing as "defense" when you're an aggressor.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, technically, you could use the CIWS to attack air and surface contacts within a 1000m or so... but it isn't designed for it... it is intended to stop incoming missiles.
sevenfingerman
I think you misunderstood. A defensive weaponn is a weapon designed to intercept other weapons as opposed to destroying the enemy.
GentryFriedRichFillets
A bit under 800k unhoused people in the USA as of 2024 (1).
Avg price for a studio apt with utilities is ~1250/month or 15k a year (2).
That is 12B a year. Let's be generous and 4x that for overhead to 48B.
That would only equate to a ~10% tax on billionaires (3).
They just 10% increase on their taxes. And they would still be paying less taxes than the rest of us (4,5).
Citations in next comment.
GentryFriedRichFillets
1. www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/whote">www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/who-is-homeless-in-the-united-states-a-2025-update<-i">te">www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/who-is-homeless-in-the-united-states-br">-i">te">www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/who-is-homeless">a-">br">-i">te">www.minneapolisfed.org/article/2025/who-is-homeless-in-the-united-states-a-2025-update>2. latestcost.com/average-studio-apartment-cost/
3. www.businessinsider.com/rich-list-musk-bezos-zuckerberg-ellison-wealth-billionaires-ai-stocks-2025-1?op=1
4. www.businessinsider.com/26-billionaires-paid-fraction-in-taxes-average-american-owes-2022-5
5. taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2025/
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
Govt housing is subsidized. My buddy is on ssi, and pays $235 a month for a studio with utilities. Might wanna redo your math.
GentryFriedRichFillets
That is one data point, and I used the national average. Whether or not they include subsidized housing in their calculations, I do not know.
LoudBirb
Government housing is also notorious for being incredibly difficult to get into. There's often a months or years long waiting list. The national average wait time for it is over 2 years. Even in Texas, the average is 19 months.
There aren't enough people in government housing to bring that average down, which is why it's so high.
ejw909
The number of section 8 units is hard capped. It doesn't scale with population or need. It is a fixed number of units period. It's been locked since 1999. No new subsidized housing can be added. And older housing that is condemned cannot be replaced so the amount of government housing is actually lower today than in 1999. While US population is up by 60M since 1999. See the Faircloth amendment.
https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/02/112232-faircloth-amendment-and-public-housing-explained
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
9 million people live in govt housing....
LoudBirb
There are 350 million people in the US. That's 0.025% of the population in govt housing.
Clockworkdancerobot
If we had a lot more govt housing it would put pressure on rentals to shape up.
PickleRiiiiiiiiiiiiick
2.6%