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Last month, Italian police in Milan removed a 14-month-old baby from his vegan parents after he arrived at a hospital suffering from severe undernourishment. The baby's grandparents, who took him to hospital, said that he was being forced to eat a vegan diet, while doctors found that he had calcium levels barely adequate to survive.
Southpaw002
There is more calcium in a cup of broccoli than a cup of milk. So there are plenty of ways to get good nutrition, these people are just dumb
AnswerLady
Your child is malnourished and not because you're vegan but because you're stupid!
szepasszony
Well, that headline is BS. Italy (and most countries) punishes parents for child abuse and neglect, no matter what their diet.
tangybreath
I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian but this seems more like a situation of dumb as fuck parents. A human can thrive on a well-done vegan diet
Notjustachicken
will they raise a law for feeding kids extreme amounts of junk food?
Alithus
A vegitarian or vegan diet can be fine as long as they get the right stuff into it. They were probably just irresponsible..
FicklePickle13
Since it seems they were also not treating their kids' heart disease, yes. very irresponsible.
MrGorgeous
My parents are veggie so I've never had meat, so it can work. It's just bad parenting but meat would be an easier way to get nutrients.
Spoonland
That news is inaccurate. One single politician said that and just to be on the press. I bet nothing will actually be discussed in Parliament
MeinKamfyChair
Finally, someone with a brain. It won't get anywhere near entering law.
Indelible93
Just down right not having your kids on a healthy balanced diet should be punishable. I wish i was raised on healthy dieting.
Moohasha
Italy Wants To Jail "Bad Parents" For 4 Yeas If They Don't Feed Their Kids "Nourishing Meals". There, I fixed it.
theFlyingJ97
BorderingUnsustainable
Other than the fact that this was started by a vegan family/ made laws because of that. Stop removing direct correlations cus "im offended"
Moohasha
I appreciate that nobody is pointing out that my "fixed" version has a type-o. =P
user82650
Pfft, that won't get you any upvotes.
Woodmn
About that...
thebluespirit
Title is misleading. They will only be jailed if the child is found to be malnourished.
amparoosorio
Misinformation at its best: I'm Italian and I have heard of this news for a long while. it's not about VEGAN DIET and vegan diet alone 1/2
amparoosorio
2/2 but speaks about generally unfulfilling the elementary needs of a baby or minor under 16 years old. Nowhere it's quotes "vegan diet".
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
This has to be the biggest, most astounding anti-vegan circlejerk move I could ever imagine.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Seriously, there's so much wrong about this entire post, I don't even know where to begin. I'm just at loss of words.
everynameimtryingtouseistaken
You know, the kid had a heart problem since birth. Also, OF COURSE it's possible to undernourish a kid with vegan food, just as it is (1/2)
ansa
AIR KILLS PEOPLE
Charlie0713
EVERYONE WHOSE BREATHED IT HAS DIED
everynameimtryingtouseistaken
possible with animal products. It's the parents fault, not the vegan diets'.
rykinshin
This should be done to people who try to feed their carnivore pets a vegan diet. Nothing wrong if you want to be one but cats/dogs can't.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Yeah that's pretty much where I stop understanding vegans. Why not just take a vegan pet?
baxtothefuture
I didn't eat meat until I was 12 but grew up fine.
baxtothefuture
Now I am a vegetarian again.
LiKeys
28 years wveggie now (since birth) and never had any deficiencies. My parents were not dumbfucks.
BitchButcher
If proper veganism doesn't harm a baby and these parents are just idiots a doctor shouldn't be able to tell if a baby is fed vegan or not.
MistressLyda
I assume the family told them.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
Yes, you absolutely can tell what kind of diet the kid has based on what it's missing and secondly, OP is spinning it to sound worse 1/2
MyCatLovesToHateMe
... that said, the reality is that most vegans don't know how to put together a proper vegan diet so better safe than sorry imo.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
than it actually is. It's about a higher punishment for parents who don't feed their kids properly, not exclusively vegan parents.
njullpointer
I think that maybe, just maybe, if your idiot ideas harm your kids, you should be jailed.
Freya7
Baby should have been breastfed longer
didntshootthedeputy
1) It's very likely they messed up their own diet too by not doing their research on proper nutrition as a vegan. That baby was probably not
ImadeaDireMistake
When you have to extensively research a diet to survive there might be something wrong with it
didntshootthedeputy
3) and humane conditions sounds a lot less crazy to me than both of the other approaches.
didntshootthedeputy
1) I eat meat and like it but I have to say that imho there is no more wrong with a vegan diet than with the excessive meat consumption most
didntshootthedeputy
2) of us indulge in. To take back a step and eat meat once or twice a week but from animals that were breed in healthy, species-appropriate
didntshootthedeputy
2) getting what it needed even when the mom was breastfeeding.
squishcat
Babies are supposed to be introduced to food at 6 months, meat and dairy can be at a year I believe. Breastmilk doesn't provide vitamin D.
didntshootthedeputy
Also, you don't suddenly stop breastfeeding at 6 months just because you also give Baby a couple teaspoons of fruit/veggy puree a day.
squishcat
yeah, definitely not. People can breastfeed for quite a while but 1 year at least is recommended.
didntshootthedeputy
No, but the sun generally does. And few foods actually provide adequate sources of vitamin D.
ThatFellow
Meanwhile in Australia, it's now illegal to mock religious people.
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
Damn, seriously? Do you have a link?
ThatFellow
I do, but trying to link anything on imgur is futile. Google "ACT parliament passes religious vilification laws"
Jironobou
Technically it's not related to veganism, but malnutrition. Like how feeding a carnivorous pet vegan food is animal cruelty in some places.
thebitchyoucallkarma
Show me a vegan diet which gives me everything I need. Nothing is vegan, even the vegetables you eat have been fertalized with bullshit.
isaaclw
Ok, that makes me feel better. Personally I'm too lazy to be vegan, but I respect those that try it.
Tofubutton
I think the point is you have to make more of an effort to be well nourished with a vegan diet and people don't realize this before h
soundnote8
Some people try to keep their cats on a vegan diet. Goddamn freaking obligately carnivorous cats.
MagdaCh
Umm... I'm a vegan with a cat and I feed him 100% meat diet. Cannot change the world all at once and I love my fluff.
soundnote8
Thank you for being kind to your floof. Can I has piktars?
MagdaCh
There are some in my pics already.
CliffordJohnsonMiller
Yeah, but they arent punishing vegans either. They're punishing parents who refuse to feed their children properly.
CliffordJohnsonMiller
If a non vegan did this they'd already be on the hook. Now it's just a specific case for vegan parents being shitheads
Sumpte
No, they're punishing Vegan parents regardless of whether their child is malnourished or not.
Panzermeyer
B12 is essential, can't be supplemented, and will lead to malnutrition if absent. Forcing your child to be vegan is the same as forcing 1/2
Panzermeyer
...them to be Christian. It's a moral choice that should be made by the individual. And if you're upset with the factory meats, eat local
FicklePickle13
There are pills & fortified foods stuffs with B12, so yes it can be supplemented. Unless you think it's some magical unrefinable substance.
Sumpte
Of course B12 can be supplemented. That's a plain lie.
MidwayMarshall
Human babies are not true herbivores. So wouldn't they fall under feeding pet's diets they aren't evolved to take?
MotionOfTheOcean
Most vegans breastfeed. That is what babies are meant to eat. Later calcium and B12 are the big issues, but can be supplemented.
Panzermeyer
I've had to argue this with so many people. And also argue that being vegan is a moral choice you can't make for someone else, like your bby
MotionOfTheOcean
Yeah like religion or any other diet are not such choices... As long as it is in healthy limits almost anything should be fine.
MagdaCh
Yup. But some people think feeding dogs a vegan diet is cruel, when it's actually recommended in some cases. Cats rely on taurine to fuel1/2
Charlie0713
I've met many dogs who have veg diets and are perfectly healthy. cats not so much but thats a different story
MagdaCh
Their bodies, which come from meat (but could be also supplemented). Vegan cats have a higher risk for kidney stones, which can be lethal.
MidwayMarshall
Dogs can eat plant-based foods unlike wolves because they evolved eating human garbage which contained plants ;p
MidwayMarshall
Cats not so much
ticktockbent
TIL babies are legally considered pets. Now I can buy them and sell them right?
MidwayMarshall
The point of it being considered cruel to do it to pets would apply to it being "cruel" to do it to newborns. And you technically have
MidwayMarshall
ownership of babies. It's not like they can vocalize their rights lol.
ticktockbent
I know I was just making a terrible joke about selling babies
Lorilee2
Bad parents are bad parents. I'm sure lots of vegans give their children adequate nourishment.
xmaneds
it is extremely unclear to me how a vegan infant who is growing glia, Schwann cells, & myelin sheaths in the brain, can get these nutrients
Lorilee2
...
xmaneds
the technicality being explained to me now is that "Breastmilk from Mom" is allowed under Vegan ethics because Mom consents to give the milk
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Why is that a technicality? I'm no vegan, but the few I've talked to tend to base actions primarily on moral concerns (consent included).
xmaneds
"technicality" because "vegan" means "no animal products;" while breastmilk is an animal product, then it is forbidden.
usbd0nglegobl1n
Look at you being reasonable. We don't like that sort of thing here!
Junktrunkjunkie
Well sure, but jail isn't a permanent solution. People on both sides of this need more and better education. Lack of meat probably 1/2
Junktrunkjunkie
2/2 wasn't the issue here. It was probably lack of milk. Human milk. it's really hard to keep a baby nourished without it.
redjuice71
Governments need to learn to punish individuals for their actions; not groups for the actions of individuals...
MyCatLovesToHateMe
It wasn't about vegan diets, it was about a higher punishment for not feeding your kid properly. OP is trying to spin it to sound worse.
samthepea
Who gives a baby meat?
Brittewater
When you start a baby on solids it's important to give them meat. Pureed is the recommended method due to the lack of teeth.
Imuseaboutstuff
All four of my children are vegan and they are fine. I've never heard of omnivours giving their children pureed meet. That's crazy.
tryin2figureitout
You don't feed a kid pureed meat. If they're eating solids you give them solids.
Brittewater
There is the method of introducing solids, which for this purpose means anything not formula/breast milk,called baby led weaning. Not all
Brittewater
My daughter took to BLW like a fish to water
Brittewater
Kids take to it very well so in order to introduce solids of any kid mashed/pureed works really well. My son failed with BLW so we pureed
PikkuPiko
Not following a vegan diet does not imply eating meat.
Davisnova
eating meat BREAKS a vegan diet
MrFunreal
no shit. But you do know that little kids literally die if they do not eat meat?
Davisnova
Im 14 and i have not eaten meat in my whole life, you are a complete moron
MrFunreal
lemme guess. your skin is orange and you need to swallow a fuckton of vitamins and other shit to survive.
Davisnova
No actually, im perfectly healthy
PikkuPiko
Yes, and I did not claim anything on the contrary. But not being a vegan does not imply eating meat.
Zoodpy
It kind of does. Vegan diet means no meat. If you are not eating vegan you are getting meat somewhere.
fragmentedfire
Vegan literally means no animal products. So no meat, eggs, dairy, honey, etc.
MotionOfTheOcean
Vegans don't eat any animal products, you are mixing vegans with vegetarians.
sillyblackcat
Vegetarians don't eat meat but are not vegans.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
You can be a vegetarian or a pescetarian as well. Probably even other things as well.
polksnan
It doesn't if you're vegetarian ????
Zoodpy
I'm not sure about vegetarians. They have different classifications on acceptable meats.
polksnan
Ups, the questions marks were not supposed to be there
MyCatLovesToHateMe
No, still no meat, but dairy products are ok. If you can eat fish you're a pescetarian.
PikkuPiko
Depends on what you mean by "meat". The word is not unambiguous. Some use it to mean flesh from any animal, some exclude fish, poultry etc
bvelezp
I'm just really curious, do some vegans not breastfeed their babies because it would be feeding them dairy?
scatartist
Veganism is about avoiding animal husbandry, not about avoiding diary.
Mercenarity
Some don't. Most do. Vegans usually recognize the evolutionary importance of breastfeeding babies while avoiding cow milk. Not very complex.
Mercenarity
An important thing to remember is vegan philosophy is not 100%, er, homogenized.
Trip91
Should be the same for animals as well that get forced to eat "vegan" food.
goflyblind
yeah! let's get those cows eating steak!
BasisPoints
LionEatingTofu.gif
Yoheinn
Yeah, like wich animals? Cats - yes. They need meat. Dogs? No, they can eat vegan diet.
RobBobertyYT
Don't know why you're getting quite so much hate. I don't necessarily agree with feeding dogs vegan but it is much more plausible than cats
supersmashsisters
I know you got downvoted, but I actually just looked this up and you're right. I was surprised.
OrokuSaki52
No he's not. Dogs will eat anything you feed them that true, but they need meat to be by healty. That why top dog food is always grain free.
Yoheinn
.. You are so dumb it hurts, they replace grain with potatoes or rice since it can be better for them. But some dogbreeds need grain too.
OrokuSaki52
A least i'm not hurting my pet unlike some moron just to prove a point.
Yoheinn
Thank you, this actually means more than you think!
BarlicGread
Why on earth do you think dogs can eat a vegan diet?
Yoheinn
Because they are omnivores, like us. So they can live on a vegan diet!
OrokuSaki52
My dog eat shit sometime that doesn't mean its good for him. Dog eat whatever they'll find but they need meat to be healthy.
Yoheinn
Yeah, because you are a dietist that knows everything? Google if you lack the knowledge, educate yourself and stop being close minded.
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OrokuSaki52
You just proven more in one comment than him in a hundreds. See @Yoheinn that how you do it. Not by insulting people take note kiddo
Sumpte
But regardless of his 'technique', he was still right and you were wrong.
OrokuSaki52
Yes and i'm actually happy to have been proven wrong instead of just getting insulted.
OrokuSaki52
Oh here another butthurt vegan. My steak say hi!
scotskies
You've heard of canine teeth? The meat piercing ones. The ones named after the dogs that have them, as cousins to wolves.
Yoheinn
Dogs are omnivores, like us, they can live on a vegan diet. But cats are carnivores, they need meat. Google it son
scotskies
Omni is a Latin prefix meaning "all" or "every". Not plant only. Are you a vet or have higher qualifications in biological sciences?
Yoheinn
Nope, but read several studies and asked some veterinarians. They even adviced me to go full vegan on my other dog due to his tummy
Yoheinn
Are you a vet or have higher qualifications in biological sciences?
revcleo
The only dogs that should be on a purely vegan diet are those which have troubles with meat, they need the meats to thrive.
Yoheinn
You know you are speaking against yoursef now? If they can have trouble eating meat -- why would a dog that can eat meat suddenly NEED meat?
revcleo
Surviving is also different to thriving, you can survive on a diet of beans and rice, you can't thrive on it.
Yoheinn
Ok, tell that to all the vegan weightlifters and bodybuilders.
revcleo
Some humans can be allergic to cellulose, I would say most humans need to eat vegetables, but some can't.
jbu26
I can't down vote you enough for being an idiot. Stop forcing vegan crap on animals you twat. I hope you never reproduce.
OrokuSaki52
Also i hope he don't get a dog
Yoheinn
I have two dogs and two cats. :)
OrokuSaki52
Poor beast :(
Yoheinn
Yeah, way to hit me with some facts! You are the idiot here, since im a vegan, I have actually read about it. Unlike you. Twat
mynameisnotalice
Malnourishment of children is already covered by child abuse. And believe it or not it IS possible to feed kids vegan diets that keep (1)
xmaneds
please send me a link to a vegan diet sufficient for a 12-month-old infant? thanks. i was assuming that human mammal infants required milk
MagdaCh
Believe it or not, the biggest problem is vegans making their own home-made baby formulas which will NEVER be nutritionally accurate. 1/2
MagdaCh
There is a WHO-approved soy formula but some parents think soy is also bad. Crazy is crazy. 2/2
mynameisnotalice
I know literally no vegan parents that do that. Where do you get your statistics from?
MyCatLovesToHateMe
Then point is that's it's potentially fatal if you don't know 100% what you are doing, and the reality is that most just don't.
SomeDetroitGuy
Kids, yes. Babies should still get breastmilk on a vegan diet.
mynameisnotalice
Mother's milk is vegan and most vegans breast feed.
experiment91
Not trying to be a dick. But how is breastmilk vegan? It by definition is an animal food product.
mynameisnotalice
It's YOUR own that you willingly give to your child. If that wouldn't be okay you wouldn't be allowed to pick your own nose or if you (1)
mynameisnotalice
breathe in skin particles. (2)
FicklePickle13
For both ethical & health concerned vegans milk passes so long as it is WITHIN a species. Cow baby get cow milk & human baby get human milk.
FicklePickle13
Ethics because consent and care of the producer, health because it is quite critical for baby health and designed for them specifically.
Snooj
My son was a vegetarian until he was 8. Always 99% percentile in size and healthy as a horse. Is now 15 and 6' tall. ANY diet requires 1-
Snooj
you to understand nutrition to be successful. You can't just feed a kid lettuce.
mynameisnotalice
Or exclusively steak for that matter. Good on your for raising a healthy kid :)
Snooj
Good on my wife. She did the research. She tried sticking to it as well but she couldn't resist turkey sandwiches.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
Yes it's possible, but it's way more difficult than people realise so it's easier to ban it than trust people that know their shit.
norill
who said anything about banning?
MyCatLovesToHateMe
OP. Nobody else than OP who's spinning it to sound way worse than it is.
norill
read it again maybe?
MyCatLovesToHateMe
Read what again?
taxiviolence
seems like a good safety net imo. If you can have a healthy baby on a vegan diet because you know your shit then no one will care but if not
taxiviolence
the law covers the protection. like the no eating in metro rule. people only enforce it if you are taking things too far. +raising awareness
MyCatLovesToHateMe
Exactly what I'm thinking as well! Couldn't have written it better myself, +1 and thank you!
mynameisnotalice
First of all, I wouldn't keep my kids on a vegan diet, not even a vegetarian. But banning that is a pretty extreme step. Especially as (1)
mynameisnotalice
malnourishment already is covered by child abuse. So if you're not malnourishing your kids there should be no reason to restrict you. (2)
mynameisnotalice
And most vegans (at least the ones I know) are very aware of the extra effort that is needed for a healthy vegan diet. (3)
MyCatLovesToHateMe
They aren't banning it at all, OP is just a drama queen. They're talking about harder punishment for parents who don't feel their kids right
mynameisnotalice
I know. And I endorse that. I'm just sick of this circle jerk. Got old years ago.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
What circle jerk? I have nothing against vegans, but it's not a secret that it's a difficult diet than most get wrong.
BathroomHumor
Babies need milk or a suitable substitute, right? Is baby formula vegan food?
mynameisnotalice
Babys get mother's milk. That's better than any formula anyway (in most of the cases at least)
FicklePickle13
It can be. Plant based ones. More expensive than ones based on milk and dairy byproducts, though.
thesixthcourier
It's possible, but I would still say it's unethical. Vegan/Veg diets in children can cause problems because they don't develop the right >
tryin2figureitout
This smells like the biggest pile of bullshit.
thesixthcourier
It's not something that's specific to meat, it's anything that you don't eat for a long period of time. Your body uses different enzymes >
thesixthcourier
to break down different kinds of proteins/sugars. It creates more or less of them depending on how frequent something is in your diet. It >
thesixthcourier
reversed, but it can painful/uncomfortable and the longer you've gone without the worse it tends to be.
meta666
Went to university with a girl who had 5 siblings, all brought up vegetarian. 3 stayed veg three ate meat in adulthood. Also friends (1/2)
meta666
With a girl and 3 siblings brought up veg, only one of them stayed vegetarian, although she is on and off. No digestion issues (2/2)
thesixthcourier
Interesting, one of the 2 I knew in Uni tried to slowly start meat, ate chicken 2/week, gave up after a monthish b/c it kept making her sick
thesixthcourier
Afaik, the other never tried other than eating a McFish once while drunk, got sick, but that could be for a lot of reasons, lol
meta666
Thinking about it she is b12 deficient which has caused her issues but that's more vegan related and she eats meat now.
thesixthcourier
enzymes to break down food/meat, and it difficult nearing on impossible for them to do this later in life. It's making a lifelong decision >
thesixthcourier
for them that they may not appreciate in their adult lives. I only know people raised as Veg, both wish they hadn't been. Anecdotal, i know.
OccasionalManatee
Small counter-anecdote: Raised vegetarian, completely content with it. Sometimes a lil sad it narrows restaurant choices, though.
tryin2figureitout
So your saying you can never eat meat?
Charlie0713
I honestly think id contently be vegetarian if it wasnt for food options. Im indian so at home im good, but outside there are few options
FlexKavana
But dont babies need milk? No offense
mynameisnotalice
That's what mother's milk is for.
mynameisnotalice
them healthy. And malnourishment is also possible for omnivores. (2)
TurboThorn
Found the vegan?
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
He/she's right, so...
FuckYeahImAwesome
I'm not vegan and I totally agree
mynameisnotalice
*vegetarian. But to be honest, everybody who spent a few minutes researching that topic (or working in CPS...) reaches that conclusion.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
vegans NEED to supplement, else they get health problems. Can't do veganism without supplements over 3-5 years. It's not natural.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
I've honestly never taken supplements before, and I've never been deficient. If you know where to get the nutrients, it doesn't hurt you.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
fortified foods count as supplements.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
I can't say that I've really had fortified foods, either. I don't just eat broccoli or anything, there's lots of ways to get nutrients.
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
Found the omnivore? Seriously though, you're an idiot. The "b-but that's not natural!" rhetoric can apply to a lot of things.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
the not natural argument is used by vegans. Changing the song now?
potatoesmakemeveryhappy
Er, whether or not THEY use it, it's still bullshit. Doesn't change the fact that YOUR argument is bullshit either.
Sumpte
Even if this was true, and it isn't, why would it matter? Nothing about modern human eating habits is 'natural' - it's a stupid argument.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
ah, suddenly the 'natural' argument is stupid? gheeze, make up your mind.
FicklePickle13
Yes, because all vegans everywhere are part of the vegan hivemind, thus all arguments by one vegan are arguments of all vegans.
Sumpte
Where did I argue that the 'natural' argument made any sense?
mynameisnotalice
So are vaccines :) (And, what's the problem with supplements?)
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
vaccines are not diet related.
mynameisnotalice
They are not natural. That was your point.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
how can vegans claim that we are designed to be vegan, when it's not sustainable?
applemagpie
I don't think most vegans are vegan because they think it's more natural, but because they think that using animals is not ethical.
mynameisnotalice
It's sustainable. And vegans usually don't claim that we are 'designed to be vegan'. There are much better and more valid reasons for that.
MidwayMarshall
Vitamin b12 is not found in a plant diet. b12 definciny in children leads to neurological damage. Even during pregnancy a mother's
MidwayMarshall
deficiency can lead to homocysteine and other birth defects. Actual herbivores have specialized guts, some even consume shit to get
MidwayMarshall
bacteria in feces that will convert some of the plant matter to vitamin b12 during digestion. Humans do none of these things and get b12
MidwayMarshall
from consuming the flesh of other animals. Taking supplements is acknowledging the diet does not give proper nourishment.
SeductiveSloth
Cereals, plant milks and nutritional yeast can be fortified with b12. Animals do not synthesise b12 either.
MidwayMarshall
Reading all my posts will show how some animals get b12. Plant "milks" have it added.
MidwayMarshall
raw almond milk https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/4188?manu=&fgcd=
MidwayMarshall
raw coconut water https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/4187?manu=&fgcd= they didnt have a sheet for coconut milk without added b12
MachineInterface
Wrong: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3062981/
MidwayMarshall
FERMENTED plants do give b12. Some herbivores ferment plants in their gut. But it is a diet of bacterial byproducts that provide a source of
MidwayMarshall
b12, it is not the plants themselves providing much of it
WilliamKeith
Studies in this area are highly dubious; many have found pseudovitamin-B12, not the bioactive one. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10642899
WilliamKeith
In short, a strictly vegan diet would find B12 at best challenging through fermentation and seaweed, and REALLY needs supplements.
Sionas
More like dumb people attempting to be vegan and failing to fulfill dietary needs.
WhiplashPwning
Spot the Vegan is so much fun.
Kudoskid
People don't take that into consideration. I do a lot to make sure my body isn't lacking anything essential.
DrManhattanPHD
add spirulina and multivitamins; a space faring diet.
Cthulhu2020
Doesn't work on babies
DrManhattanPHD
To vegans who are also dumb :P
secretbison
Sounds like No True Scotsman. You can't say that dumb vegans aren't "real" vegans.
LeakyLycanthrope
I don't think that's what they meant. I think they were implying that the stupidity was the critical factor here, not the veganism.
user82650
But you can say that there are (proportionally) as many dumb vegans as there are dumb non-vegans.
FicklePickle13
It's just that veganism is an advanced diet which is more likely to result in catastrophic failure with idiots than omnivorous diets.
tryin2figureitout
I don't think that applies because being a vegan is objectively definable.
secretbison
You'd think it wouldn't, but people always find ways to adopt private definitions of things to make themselves look better.
isaaclw
http://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/americas-strongest-weightlifter-ever-kendrick-farris-100-vegan
isaaclw
I'm not saying that it's healthier to be vegan than not. I'm just saying I don't think locking up vegans is a good idea.
96DAWn
I'm curious: how do vegans even get that sweet sweet Calcium so their skeleton can adequately fight sick-ass demons in the afterlife?
waterbug136
You can get a ton of calcium from vegetables. The most bioavailable forms of calcium are found in greens and beans.
OntariosFinest
Broccoli. Pills. There's calcium in a lot of food it's harder on a plant based diet. You have to measure your nutrient intake a lot.
bendoverandbraceyourself
I thought Calcium was proved to be highly overrated.
evasiouxsie
Actually there is such thing as too much calcium.
OntariosFinest
Doesn't your body just get rid of it ?
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
There's enough calcium in plants. Allegedly, it's not even possible to have a calcium deficiency if you just get your recommended...
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
...daily caloric intake. Unless you just eat one food product and nothing else or something silly like that.
TheUltimateJew
Probably only eats vegan baby food and fake milk. Maybe their veganism pertains to breastfeeding too? Seems retarded to me.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Yeah that would be strange.
OntariosFinest
Is baby formula vegan ?
thesixthcourier
It's def possible to be a healthy vegan, but it takes research/creativity, even for an adult. It would be hard to get a baby the right >
Elementalist01
Wasn't there an episode of House about this? Parents had a nutritionist and everything, only to find the baby had some rare condition?
thesixthcourier
amount of good fat, plus vegan diets tend to be a little harder on the digestive system in terms of fiberous foods, which even a toddler >
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
I personally was fed an all-vegetarian (On and off all-vegan) diet my whole life growing up, and I was perfectly healthy 1/?
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
because my parents knew how to give me proper nutrition, gave us pinto beans and things for protein, and knew that 2/
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
green vegetables and broccoli were nice, but they aren't a cure-all for everything like is believed among some of the inexperienced vegans.
LoodGookin
Serious, non trolling question. Are you skinning, muscular skinning, ripped or something else? The V I know are all either skinny or ovrwght
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
Haha, I'm like muscle-with-a-bit-of-fat. I can pick up a lot of my friends, but I don't know that I would be skinny, per se.
Gingermexican
Look into the only american weightlifter competing in the Olympics. He is vegan.
hild
I, too, grew up with an all-vegetarian, almost all-vegan diet and ended up perfectly healthy nutrition-wise.
hild
My protein levels are stellar, too.
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodNeighboreeno
Yay! Yeah, if you know what nutrients you need, then it's great! There are many people who pick it up without researching, and that's where
thesixthcourier
would have a tough time breaking down enough.
cleverbeans
Beans are high fiber and green beans are commonly introduced as a first food. It's just about a balanced diet like any other diet.
MotionOfTheOcean
Breastfeeding long enough is probably the best choice there, if possible. And making sure the mother gets B12 supplements.
ThePastmaster
I met a mother who refused to breastfeed her baby because "Humans are animals too and we don't consume animal products in this family".
TheStewart
Are we sure it's because of a vegan diet or a bad diet that was also vegan?
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Sundaydriver101
That's the first time I heard that term
Mercenarity
I'd be surprised if you had. It was the only way I could think to describe the relentless harassment I've seen from both sides.
NOINOON
Guess. http://www.mensfitness.com/life/entertainment/americas-strongest-weightlifter-ever-kendrick-farris-100-vegan
kahless01
that would work if mark henry and paul anderson and charles vinci never existed.
NOINOON
Dumbest comment of the day award. The trophy is in your bio page.
RAGESTARVED
I'm definitely not an expert, but is it safe to put an infant on any vegan diet? Those things are kind of designed for milk.
MistressLyda
1/2 I wonder the same. That a child get this ill on a proper vegan diet is just not adding up.
didntshootthedeputy
1)That's very likely it.They weren't eating a properly balanced diet. Adults can take that for longer because they eat more and also because
didntshootthedeputy
2) they are done growing. In a kid you will notice much faster but I bet if they got a blood test the parents too would lack the essentials.
MistressLyda
Sure, I doubt they had a better diet than the kid did. Quite a few vegans are clueless, and this seems to be a extreme case.
MistressLyda
2/2 Had it been b12, vit D, or iron the kid was lacking, it would made more sense. (And it is easy to avoid if you know how)
Zoodpy
Bad diet that was vegan. With effort you can get the nutrition you need as a vegan. You will just be joyless from lack of meat.
itule
If all of your joy comes from eating then I think you need to get out more mate
MotionOfTheOcean
Eating more and more vegetarian, since I can't stand taste of beef or pork. .-. Good thing chicken and fish are healthier anyway. I guess.
Antennaehead
Maybe an adult can, but dubious that a baby can. They need shit tons of fat and protein. They also get full easily. Can't chomp thru tons of
Antennaehead
Veggies.
Vectron
I still can only explain Veganism as sort of a religion; simply adding dairy and eggs fixes so many of the pitfalls of a vegan diet.
Zoodpy
Have you heard the message of our Lord and Savior Quinoa and Kale?
NucularCrisitunity
I don't care what people eat, but it's a fact that you can have all your beloved nutrients without animal products. Ok, you have to
NucularCrisitunity
take pills for B12, carnivores don't have this problem because B12 is supplemented in the animal food. (afaik!)
FicklePickle13
Or you could go with fortified nutritional yeast, it's got B12 and tastes like fake cheese powder.
AliBarber
I was vegan for 7 years. Can confirm when you get back to meat you enjoy the yums again. There's just nothing that can replace it
Gingermexican
Funny I don't miss meat at all..
nahemah
Out of curiosity, why did you stop?
AliBarber
Peer pressure and guilt largely. But mostly the constant anger.
LukewarmBeans
Constant anger? Being vegan makes you angry?
ASimpleCashierGirl
After I went vegan, I discovered I'm allergic to animal products. I then ended up feeling trapped in that lifestyle (started the diet to 1/2
ASimpleCashierGirl
Lose weight and whatever.) Got a peircing that removed the complex migraines and now I live off of cheese and chicken. :)
didntshootthedeputy
You don't even need meat. If you eat dairy products you have a lot less hassle getting all the nutrients and protein you need than as vegan.
Cheomesh
You don't really need vegetation, either.
MyCatLovesToHateMe
... ffs, if you eat dairy products you're not vegan.
didntshootthedeputy
...which is why I wrote that eating dairy products makes nutrition less of a hassle *than being vegan* while still not needing meat...
MyCatLovesToHateMe
"than as vegan" was a weird way of writing it. But if that was the point it's a weird point to make in that context...
tacopartyinyourmouth
The child was 14 months old and barely weighed more than a newborn. Forcing an infant to be vegan is beyond stupid.
MayRaven
A vegan diet is supported as being appropriate and having health benefits for all stages of life. This is the position of nearly every
MayRaven
health professional and health organisation in the world, but some people still give vegan parents shit
waterbug136
My question would be whether the child was fed breastmilk or not. It may not be vegan, but it is designed for nourishing human infants
TheSisko
My daughter and I were both vegan when she was that age. She was a big, healthy, happy baby. Because she was breastfed.
sputniknoodle
Not to be an ass, but doesn't vegan mean "no meat and animal products"? And isn't your milk... well... an animal product? Us being animals?
Fnnennenninn
As a vegan I'm pretty sure that doesn't count, haha. Though it's important the mother knows her nutrition so her diet doesn't effect lactate
sputniknoodle
Well, it can "count", but I hope it's no problem for vegans that their babies are not, for the time being. Is it?
applemagpie
I think it mostly comes down to consent: a human can give it, but an animal can't
BreadyStinellis
Yes. Apparently vegans are ok with this loophole. And good thing, because otherwise their baby would have starved.
BreadyStinellis
Because babies can't be vegans.
Ryebread91
Vegans don't view that as wrong because it's natural. The vegan argument is generally we don't NEED to eat meat.
DiamonDie
When you have a baby, any diet is "forced" on them. They don't choose. Properly done veganism is not in any way harmful.
SweetGeekling
How many kids have you raised? I've worked with infants and tods for 15+ years. They are fickle assholes who don't eat what you want 1/?
Mordecai213
It's harmful in that it is depriving someone of the joy of steak, bacon, and any form of chicken.
SweetGeekling
kids. Bone development, brain development, this is time you don't get back and I just think it's too risky. You'd be hard pressed to 4/?
SweetGeekling
them to half the time. It's hard enough to get kids to get all they need from an omnivore diet b/c they get picky and go through stages 2/?
SweetGeekling
find a ped that recommends it, even the crunchy, organic ones. As an adult- eat what you want, but give your kids what they need. 5/5
SweetGeekling
where they want to eat only one thing and boycott everything else. I just think that you should at least offer dairy and eggs to growing 3/?
BenBenBenBenBenBen
I spot the vegan....
Gingermexican
In a thread about veganism. Congratulations.
Stefl1504
Can someone clarify, can a vegan diet contain a mothers milk? Since that kinda comes from an animal
Vaanhalen
TheStewart
People on a vegan a diet can practice different rules, but it would generally be acceptable to feed infants mother's milk.
MonaPizza
I guess it has to because they need it. I once saw a story of a baby who died because they gave his baby soy milk since he was born...
HustonVogle
That's frightening, but more likely due to the fact that without mother milk the baby did not get essential antibodies during infancy.
Squossifrage
but not without its informed consent, so assuming it's about principles and not just being dicks, it shouldn't be a problem.
Wuz314159
It's not because they're Vegans, it's because they're idiots.
Th3On3Tru3G0d
of course they're idiots, they're Vegans...
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
Well they probably vape too.
ChucklePuss
I never got the whole vape hate thing. They've been a huge help for smokers who want to quit. It's a win-win.
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
It's because it's obnoxious. I've had people vape indoors because it's technically "not smoking", shit puffs everywhere and smells bad.
TylerSully
All vegans are idiots. Science fact.
WayneSLuther
I've met people who forced their carnivorous pets to be vegan and what a surprise, their pets get sick and die.
QueenOfLeon
I side with this man, he has a frisbee
chrisls1234
what's the difference?
ShiverMeeTimberz
Fine line there.
theyellowcrayon
I'm vegan and have a 4 month old. He's not vegan. We're not all crazy.
mareli82
vegan idiot , its just different spelling for the same word :p
VacationTenzin
Only an idiot would pass on bacon, amirite?
Wuz314159
Phlonni
I think responsible parents would wait for their kids to make their own choice on that when theyee old enough.
Wuz314159
IDK about anyone else, but my parents always made me eat what was for dinner. I didn't get to say "I don't like Liver & Brussels Sprouts."
pepperlok
Its because they are overly excited vegans and push people to join them.
zotten
This. Except vegans doesn't need a capital letter, let's not get carried away there.
Wuz314159
I apologise to all the "VEGANS" out there.
idontknowwhatdoinghereanymore
What's the difference
Tommy2Godzilla
And vegan
ledious
Shut the fuck up vegan and let me eat you.
Wuz314159
Kinky.
TacoPrime
But Vegans are evil.
Tricker114
Clap, clap, clap
Volteksman
nah vegans are idiots
Piggypony
THANK YOU.
MagdaCh
Thank you, I love you.
Wuz314159
I love you too sir or madam or other.
MagdaCh
So politically correct. In fact I identify as a toaster.
AzgarOgly
There are different kinds of idiots. "Vegan" is just more specific term.
polksnan
Couldn't agree more
OhThisLooksFantasticICantWaitToPoopThisOut
*Pretentious twats
ghostfox69
And the difference is...?
KatCatKittyKatCat
They probably took the babe to crossfit too
Wuz314159
I LOLd
suomynona107
Sometimes both go hand in hands.....
cattywumpus
Is breast milk vegan?
rainbowjo
So pleased to see something sensible and balanced as top comment.
Hipstersayswhat
Me too...a little surprised as well!
rainbowjo
I know!
MiniDitka5
Aren't they the same?
smeefy
yup
DevinNatTyv
Why are you repeating yourself?
JustTheFactsMan
This represents very poor parenting choices.
herrgrosskotz
These morons here don't know the difference between correlation and causation
GOAE
Found the vegan
WasIschDaLos
I signed in to upvote this comment
Wuz314159
Well. . . Then here's an upvote for you.
LariCheltsy
Potato, potahto
darkhavana0512
homoerection
Jail the stupid people.
ledious
this would solve a lot of problems. including the Trump problem.
ArcadiaFell
Then we would have overpopulated jails and nobody running the government.
Darkspire
Soylent green is stupid people.
Flyndaran
I'd hope they'd have taken me from my parents if they fed me milk as an infant. I was born lactose intolerant.
JediAgainstJihad
is there a difference
gottakeepgoing
I just saw the episode of House where he says this line and the situation is nearly identical.
antillesw
it's cause they're both
Priceman5
Isn't that the same thing?
herostarwind
Although sometimes the two go hand in hand
roopawtattoo
Yeah, but citing "vegans" is a buzzword that pisses people off and gets clicks!
Dmanspartan
But vegans are idiots
NotABadLookingNarcissist
It because you can't survive on only pasta.
ACanadianPerson
I didn't realize there was a difference...
zarkingphoton
Being a little redundant, aren't we?
Kenso33
Doesn't matter. If they were just 'idiots' the kid would very most likely be more nourished. VEGAN idiots however..
halfmexicanhalfamazing
Redundant
JacksonsDaddy
But you repeat yourself
insongwhang
Little column A, little column B.
sammichm
Yup one of the same
SuscriptorJusticiero
More like 50% column A, 100% column B
blurgh
There are millions of millions of malnourished babies out there but when one have vegan parents its time to blame not eating meat..?
AzgarOgly
Yes, because in this case problem was caused by veganism.
HustonVogle
vegans abstain from more than meat no cheese no milk nothing from animals. (not vegan but know people that are/have been)
Smok1ngSnakes
So, because they're vegans?
BHCWAO
No, they didn't give there baby milk. I don't gets hairlike aren't grasping that. It's not just because they're vegan :/
fragmentedfire
Same difference really.
ThanosWasRight
As a meataterian, I find vegans to be fine people with a lifestyle that's none of my concern. It is indeed the stupid people that worry me.
cattywumpus
Is breast milk vegan?
Wuz314159
Veganism is about either Animal Cruelty or Overuse of Resources. Neither of which apply to human breast milk.
retrogamer82
That's false. Quite a few of us do it strictly because of health and the science behind it. We are ostracized by the vegan community too. 1
retrogamer82
2 Myself, I only eat vegan anywhere from 80-95% of the time because I love meat so dang much. But if I had the willpower I have no doubt 3
retrogamer82
3 I'd be healthier as a full on vegan. I dare anyone to try it for 30 days.. Use Dr Gregors daily dozen app to ensure you're being healthy 4
MagdaCh
Of course it is. It is made specifically for the child that was growing in you. Vegans argue so much that we leave cow milk for cows 1/2
MagdaCh
They surely know human breast milk is for baby humans. 2/2
FicklePickle13
Unless they're morons, but that's a while different issue altogether. Every group has morons.
HustonVogle
Some say yes because it is willingly given some say no because it's an animal product. *shrugs*
blackemperor1984
Well... It's pretty much the same thing... Isn't it?
NoHazzard
I don't like the thought teaching kids to eat pills to survive like vegans should do to substitute B12.
shimmyshimmyyashimmyyamshimmyyay
Thank you I was looking for this comment.
JPalka
Meat eaters should be supplementing B12 as well.
FicklePickle13
Why take pills when you can eat nutritional yeast? It's like cheese-flavored powder, but it's good for you!
naarmu
This. So good, I could eat a bag a day and sprinkle it on everything. Also most veg milks etc have added B12.
OHmymischief
Livestock is supplemented with b12. You're basically just ingesting their supplements
Baeloro
Not sure there is a difference. You're talking about people who deny basic nutritional value from their diet. It's not just protein either
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thesixthcourier
But you're comparing someone who by the very nature of being vegan has a diet centric life to the masses who don't think twice about what >
thesixthcourier
they eat. Are they healthier than people in blue zones, or people who stick to paleo or gaps? Correlation =/= causation.
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vauhtihirmu
Not really though. With a well planned diet you can actually get all the nutrients you need even to be a competitive weightlifter.
plaindye
If anyones wondering, Kendrick Farris of US olympic team is 100% vegan too. He gonna compete in 2 days.
TheAlviss
Not a vegan and never will be, but it takes a fuck load of work to get a vegan diet to be adequate.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
People who think you can be 'undernourished' because you don't eat meat don't really understand how nutrition/the human body works.
HustonVogle
you might not need meat but most people don't understand how much you have to compensate nutritionally without it but vegans don't-1/2
HustonVogle
just not eat meat they also don't eat dairy which makes it much harder to balance vitamins and fats that babies need without a dietitian.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
'compensating nutritionally' isn't even that big a deal, even if you don't eat dairy and eggs either. But yeah, not even feeding...
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
...babies milk seems like a bad idea.
antillesw
babies need fat. they need meat. i don't give a fuck what vegans believe but don't feed babies or cats vegan diets because you'll kill them
Kelebek
Literally a main point of milk, and why it's so fatty. It's to put on mass.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
It's understandable if you say they need fat, but there's fat in vegan foods too. Also, why do they need meat? I didn't even know babies...
ghostfox69
brains
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
...eat meat. Can't remember the last time I saw a baby eat a steak.
antillesw
that's cause your memory is poor due to malnutrition. eat a steak
MayRaven
Do you care what actual doctors think? Spoiler alert, you're wrong http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864
RFirewriter
the key word the article uses is "Well-planned". A poorly planned diet without adequate substations could be.. problematic.
MayRaven
And Idiots giving hate to vegan parents and saying things like "They are unethical for raising a child on a vegan diet" are wrong, period.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
The key part of his response is that he's answering someone making false absolute statements like "need meat" and "you'll kill them".
IvnWng
Vegans aren't the problem, stupid people are
NeonSilverSB
Vegans are stupid
OriginalNamePls
*Vegetarianism isn't the problem, stupid people are. fify
TheMemeForge
Amazing how many times thoes two come close though
FicklePickle13
Stupidity with veganism is just more devastating than with a 'regular' diet, so we hear about it with veganism more than with others.
ghostfox69
And the difference is...?
NeonSilverSB
I hate vegans, there stealing my deer's food now I have to wait longer to kill them for food
dogsinshowershoes
Eating meat and dairy doesn't automatically mean you have a balanced diet.
LizardEnterprises
1/2 Well there's a balanced diet, and a sufficient diet. Eating meat and dairy makes it much more likely you'll get a sufficient amount of
Flyndaran
Born lactose intolerant, so that "proper" diet would have killed me in infancy.
LizardEnterprises
2/2 It also makes it a lot likelier to get too many calories, which is unbalanced, but not as immediately deadly as malnutrition in children
pizzaparty
For sure. See: the chicken nugget and french fry diet.
96DAWn
the username checks out
Rectunator
That's the joke. They are the same thing.
MistressLyda
Pretty much. Veg' diets can work well, also for children, but it requires quite a bit of knowledge.
TheOneGif
Enforcing a vegan diet on someone regardless of how nutritious it is shouldn't be acceptable.
irategazelle
Yes, I'm sure the 14 month old clearly explained his distaste for eating only plant foods.
ghostofdragon
His body clearly stated it. They needed to do research before hand, and they simply didn't. Basically, the kid should have just been on a 1-
ghostofdragon
no lactose diet, like every other kid born with lactose intolerance. That is essentially a vegan diet for babies.
MotionOfTheOcean
Or meat diet either. As long as they let the kid choose, when they are old enough and feed them WELL before that.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
I don't think anyone has ever been 'enforced' a vegan diet. If you're talking about parents making their kids eat vegan, I have a news flash
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Parents have been telling their kids what to eat and what not to eat since the beginning of time. It's called 'raising' your kids.
aFlockOfSmeagols
Yes. This.
OneZebraInAHerdOfWildebeests
Then fucking make it a law otherwise GTFO
SchrodingersDongers
When someone is incapable of taking care of themselves, and you know (to the best of your knowledge, except in this case you're an idiot)1/2
SchrodingersDongers
that something other than the socially accepted norm could be done for them, should you do it?
SchrodingersDongers
I wasn't calling you an idiot, by the way. I was calling the parents in OPs post idiots.
Homeblest
Same could be said about religion
JohnCalvinCoolidgeJr
Making your kids go to church won't stunt their growth or kill them, unlike forcing unnatural vegan diets
Homeblest
I disagree, i think filling the heads of children with the harmful effects of religion can severely stunt their mental growth.
M0nst3r23
This ^
MCEscherWasADouchebag
*should
StephNugs
Gotta have them nutritious religions. Some good ol' roasted jew or a christ kebab, maybe a Muslim wrap. Yummy.
nclu
You could add Kosher or Halal and get both at once
mynameisnotalice
Forcing an omnivorous diet on somebody is as intrusive as the vegan one. Parents need to make decisions for their children.
themountainhiker
Biologically humans are meant to be omnivorous. The "vegan" lifestyle is what's intrusive.
mynameisnotalice
Yes. And you know what 'omnivorous' means, I assume? And in what category of omnivores humans fall? Even most dietetic societies and (1)
mbus
"Meant" is an interesting word here. I'm an omnivore, but it IS emphatically possible to be healthy and well-nourished and vegan.
ArchMagos
Veganism is only possible due to civilization. It would be essentially impossible to get the proper nutrition to develop with out it.
mynameisnotalice
Good thing we live in a civilized society then? I don't really get your point, sorry.
HypnotoadIRL
What does it matter? Is anyone claiming that its possible without civilization? You could say that about almost anything.
pragmatao
So is modern medicine. Should we take that away from our children?
Yoheinn
Are you fucking stupid? But enforcing meat is ok? Omg The stupidity, hurts my head
OrokuSaki52
How to you offend a vegan? He already is.
Yoheinn
How to offend a meat-eater? Just state some facts and he'll be furious.
Smok1ngSnakes
Enforcing meat, just like the past... ever? You being here was only possible by are ancestors eating meat.
Yoheinn
Why bringing this up? Do you compare yourself to a human 200 000 years ago? And did they have big slaughter houses back then?
TheOneGif
Found the vegan
Yoheinn
Ok.
Junglesvend
Dammit! I was rifling through the comments for the excact same reason. 14 min. late.
mjb52587
Our bodies are designed to eat meat
Wuz314159
"Designed"?
FjordFiskursson
Our bodies are not "designed".
polksnan
Our bodies are designed for whatever we decide to eat, meat can be easily replaced
TheGrayLanternsApathy
To be fair my parents forced me diet upon me. "Eat your dinner or get hit"
MistressLyda
The same can be said about pretty much any dietary choice parents makes. Personally I have more issues with "McDonalds" parents than vegans.
TheOneGif
I agree with your sentiment.
abcismasta
Do you mean exclusively McDonald's?
MistressLyda
No, just shortened down "parents that feeds their kids mostly junkfood and random crap". McDonalds was just the first brand that hit me.
ArchMagos
That may be true, but I'm pretty sure a candy only diet that most kids would try isn't good for them.
Baeloro
Except McDonald's diet supplies meat and dairy products, both rich in the nutrients people need (regardless of the unhealthier stuff).
kayakninjas
It is entirely possible to get everything you need from a vegan diet, too, and it's far less unhealthy than McDonald's.
DiamonDie
Humans need a lot of different nutrients. Most of them come from vegetables.
ArchMagos
OMG, yes. My brother and sister in law allow their 4 year old to drink mountain dew almost exclusively and then complain that she's hyper.
zstorm6
Mom mom used to coach elementary school cheer. One kid had this issue, she talked with the parents. They took hed off and came back a few 1/
zstorm6
Weeks later than king my mom. She was well behaving, doing better in class, and they were saving a shit ton of money. 2/2
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
You can have a complete, healthy diet that's free of the risk of developing diabetes etc. if you're vegan. McDo's diets can give you...
ImCheesecake
Found the vegan
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
...heart attacks in the long run. Why not punish parents who feed their kids too much junk food?
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Indeed. In fact, what about all those kids who do eat meat, but suffer from actual nutritional deficiencies because they only eat junk food?
omgwtfhuh
Or people who don't 'like' veggies so they don't serve them to their kids or make them eat any.
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
When are we gonna punish those parents?
JennaLS
Yeah my asshole parents that raised me on mcnuggets deserve to be jailed
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Well at least you were neglected in a tasty way.
pancrazio
As italian, that's pretty much the point. They don't care about your diet, but if your child is undernourished, you have a problem.
NedDanson
Definitely. I'm sure no cares that they fed their baby a vegan diet. They care that they fed their baby a bad, unbalanced vegan diet.
cousteau
It's easier to get a complete diet if it's non-vegan. The thing is, these were lazy vegans.
NedDanson
I completely agree. I've known a lot of lazy "convenience food" vegans and vegetarians.
Tenwierdufos
Also you have to be fashionable
10sky
So the title is misleading then... and by misleading, I mean an outright lie.
whatseventhepointt
What about it mislead you?
10sky
➀ It is not misleading to me, it is misleading to everyone who reads it... and by misleading I mean an outright lie.
10sky
➃ believe vegan parents are being persecuted and children aren't allowed to be vegan? You should also ask, why were vegans made the
10sky
➃ subject of the article, rather than child neglect?
10sky
➂ believe Italian government doesn't care about your diet so long as the children aren't malnourished? Or does it lead you to
AwesomeName
Exactly, there have been plenty of cases of serious malnutrition without veganism being involved.
ravien999
Seriously though, Meat (or the nutriton involved) is extremely important to early development. If You're not going to suppliment right ...
iPostReactionMemes
Sure it didn't help though...
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Not even that, even if veganism is involved, it's not 'because they're vegan', it's just because they had a bad diet.
Prudencethecat
Yea, If the parents were vegans and didn't know about about proper vegan nutrition, it's incredible they weren't malnurished themselves
moonXbeam
lets just look at north america/us. overweight and malnourished. you dont have to be vegan to be an idiot. and im tired of the general 1/2
moonXbeam
diet bashing. why the FUCK do we care what people eat... (obviously as long as isnt isnt causing harm)
AwesomeName
While I agree about what you said: when widespread bad eating habits lead to health problems, that's a problem for society.
RyanAndTheQuestForWorldDomination
The difference is, this was more preventable than most cases of malnutrition.
Prudencethecat
There was totally an episode of House where that happened. Vegan parents, vegan diet didn't cause the malnution. Wasn't lupus either.
Xenarion
That, and it's possible to have a vegan diet without malnutrition, but only if you know what you're doing, which sadly some people don't.
ChronoKing
"What?!? But he's been eating tons. He goes through those skittles like crazy!" - bad parent
IHaveAPhrasalUserNameLikeThisOneCauseTheyAlwaysGetTheTopComment
Well skittles are vegan alright.
ActuallyThatsWrong
Red coloring is usually made from an insect. (E120)
Pleasenotouching
They're actually not as far as I remember.
alekazam13
Yeah they aren't. Vegans can't eat gelatin.
DeinnsBeans
Did we just find the vegan? Can't tell if sarcasm.
sunriseskaterkids
I think we did
FuckYeahImAwesome
Honestly, vegan diets don't have to be lacking in nutrients, the parents must be idiots. I'm not vegan btw
KissShotAcerolaOrionHeartUnderBlade
Maybe the parents can't afford to feed their child? Plenty of cases where somebody is suffering from malnutrition without being vegans...
MotionOfTheOcean
Or feeding the kid just terrible fast food and candy. .-. Funnily there are obese and malnutrinitioned kids nowadays.
KissShotAcerolaOrionHeartUnderBlade
"Found the vegan" is just a quick way to get some upvotes on imgur, I doubt that this Deinns guy has any critical thinking ability.
MotionOfTheOcean
My bf's brother is vegan and they have healthy 2 year old toddler. They obviously give him vitamins and calcium (those are a must). 1/2
MotionOfTheOcean
It is the milk or calcium that is more important than meat honestly. And B12-vitamin, which you can get easy separately. .-. But people 2/3
MotionOfTheOcean
should make pretty sure they know enough and discuss with docs anyway when it is a kid. For fucks sake, idiots like in the post are horrible