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Rendener
The idea is pretty old. It does not work very well and uses much more rubber than a conventional tyre
Bogart99
Perfect for a world where the government actually fixed the roads.
WhatWaresWouldAWerewordWear
Why would you want your tires to be biodegradable. That means they break down easily, not something you want at 90 mph
kiwiflavored
Everything breaks down. The question is what happens after. Will it rot & become part of the soil over the next 50-100 years or will it...
kiwiflavored
occupy landfill space for centuries to come and leak toxic chemicals into the groundwater the entire time?
Toqom
Stop going 90
TuggSpeedmann
You want a tire built to withstand every obstacle a driver can impose on it. 90 sets the bar too low for safety standards
javer80
I hear you, but tbf that's not a reasonable expectation of all consumers in all conditions. People are gonna want to go fast.
ElynaerDeiros
Well it's not really 'self fixing' is it, it's just easier to fix than say rubber tires, you still need an external device and resources.
yesdesu
Bet it won't replace anything
canyonbeerjoint
Theyre ugly
BranDohCalrissian
U-G-L-Y
OmegaMudkipz
Function over form?
AbstractBettaFish
1/ Goodyear bought all my cities street cars and shut them down so people would buy cars therefore tires. I doubt they'll launch a product
AbstractBettaFish
/2 that will never need replacing. It would just put them out of business
Artietude
Now I can use my computer to steal tires?
IAmGodot
Airless tires already exist. They're used for construction equipment and forklifts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IDmpXbK-Mk
dummycorporation
Oh snap. "Big Air" is not gonna like this.
EveryNameIsTakenDammit
Wears down but never needs replacing. Bio-degradable but lasts forever. Yeah, okay.
nanyatenyaa
Never needs replacing but when it needs replacing... the fuck? Your drink Michelin go home.
azgrak
So many companies that have the possibility of taking the Blockbuster plunge if they don't change right now. 3D printers changing the world.
esgedi
Listen, you might think you're smart, but you aren't smarter than a team of senior engineers. There's a reason wheels haven't changed.
Elaan21
Can you imagine cleaning those things?
JeffGodofBiscuits
pressure washer
sirsmeghead
Also, driving them in snow and they're full of snow in a matter of minutes.
Rkhbusa
Or worse you park in a puddle and then it freezes and now your wheels are off balance till it thaws out.
GingersGoRawr
Im sure they could print a version with a cover, i do wonder what would happen if they froze though...
McGreed
That's true, what would happen if it's filled with water/slushy snow, and starts expanding when freezing.
nowayJapeJumper
How did they capture video from the future?
IdHaveSexualIntercourseWithHerIfSheLegallyConsentedToDoSoWithMe
The Doctor helped, of course
Reignofdorkness
Docter who? whats his name again?
IdHaveSexualIntercourseWithHerIfSheLegallyConsentedToDoSoWithMe
Just "The Doctor"
usersubbordercontrol
He told me to run from the crack in the wall and stay away from the plastic people. I just looked at his phone booth painted with "bad wolf"
HomebrewRecipesMyWayPLZ
But... the last centurion is plastic.
IdHaveSexualIntercourseWithHerIfSheLegallyConsentedToDoSoWithMe
Run You Clever Boy And Remember
cousteau
Weather forecast technology.
puddin151
ok how could they be biodegradable and tires? and never need replacing? that just doesn't make sense tires are outdoors....
Vectorman2
Because you reprint lost/worn/damaged material, how is this concept so hard for people to figure out?
puddin151
That's not the difficult part it's the biodegradable on something that goes through water and mud and dirt and the elements at high speed
Vectorman2
Biodegradable doesn't mean it would dissolve quickly and they are constantly developing stronger and stronger biodegradable materials
puddin151
okay, well then anything is biodegradable given enough time then. at that point its just a buzz word
Vectorman2
Biodegradable means it can be decomposed by bacteria, there is no time requirement to my knowledge
jungerfrosch
Never need to be replaced....... No air means the tire won't wear down I guess.
ThisIsScoutRainbowsMakeMeCry
Idk if you watched the gifs but there's a repair function built into the car or something that fixes wear
jungerfrosch
I missed the rebuild part, the text isn't on screen long. Rebuilding, even if on the car is not that much different than replaceing.
TwistMyNipples
So instead of spending 300 quid for a new set of tires you end up spending probably more on the shit to constantly repair them
ThisIsScoutRainbowsMakeMeCry
I'm not saying it's viable, but it's cool anyway
AIComments
No air means that the constantly changing deformation of the internal structure will generate a lot of heat.
clowndickfart
Fuck that. I was promised flying cars https://media.giphy.com/media/YlQQYUIEAZ76o/giphy.gif
WaterUnderTheRocketAppliances
Got to get self-driving right first, then we can go straight to self-flying. I don't want to be anywhere near normal people trying to fly.
Warpix
So it's like emachines, advertised as never obsolete because they count replacements?
aaaaaandimdone
This is, like the 10th verison I've seen of these "airless" tyres. Yet none on the market...
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Airless tires have been used for years on construction machinery
esgedi
"construction machinery" with small tires. The solution works there, because nobody makes high load small tires.
Dagordae
Different stresses, different properties.
aaaaaandimdone
Gotta love consumerism.
AwesomeName
All fine and well, but can somebody *please* fix bicycle tires? I'm sick of repairing and pumping.
yacko69
here ya go... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1340586869/nexo-tires-and-ever-tires-flat-free-forever
secretlibby
Yeah, screw the car tires. I'm constantly patching.
excepttheoneswhoaredead
Armadillo and/or gator. Nothing else. Not perfect, punctures are rare though.
cousteau
For some reason I haven't gotten a punctured tire in years. Not sure if I'll ever make use of the 48 patches I bought on AliExpress.
Thirdy
Ever tried Tubeless? It won't be for commuters, but for your sports bike it's awesome.
neologisticzand
Tubeless is worth it on all bikes, in my opinion. My commuter, road bike, and mtb all are tubeless.
Thirdy
I always see people with very little air in their commuter tires, so I thought it isn't the solution for everyone.
BritishGingerLefty
Have u tried gatorskins? They worked amazingly for me and a load of mates.
DoublevBomb
Some cities have proper, segregated bike lanes, but in the land of half-assing, such spaces are nothing but scrap and broken glass.
Sheldonian
One of this tyre companies is also bringing airless wheels to bycicles for next year
RedDwarfIV
Get kevlar tyres. They cost twice as much as normal ones, but that's made up for in fewer replacement inner tubes.
pontymythonandthegrolyhail
You want 3D printing blueprint sites? That will be an extra $40 a month. Unless you want the full internet package for $5,200 a month
voguemouse
Then some WannaCry from the future just ravages everything.
jobe
You wouldnt steal a car.. but you'd def torrent the stl blueprints to print some tyres
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dokpsy
Don't tell me what I won't do. I'm download a pizza right the fuck now
dokpsy
I'd
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dokpsy
Who's law and how'd they know it's me?
Copperbrat
This made me chuckle. Tire subscriptions.
securemarmot
"Made from bio degradable materials"... lasts forever.
colombocock
How will they handle oposing tire companies working against them, trying to not go out of business?
itislikeitis
Like this
landofbob
The tires never need replacing, that doesn't mean you won't be paying them a license to print new tread and such.
IdHaveSexualIntercourseWithHerIfSheLegallyConsentedToDoSoWithMe
Murder.
esgedi
No need, Michelin bless their hearts, drop some stupid shit like this every few years, and none of them are viable replacements.
RayCharlesBukowski
Hi cops. Spike strips don't work. Try to find a new way to stop cars that don't feel like stopping safely.
Dagordae
They have quite a few. Spike strips are just cheap.
AwesomeName
Future cars can be stopped by police at the push of a button.
Punderstandable
Just add hooks/teeth to the stabby bits.
KahnNZ
I vote fire.
TachyonCode
Have you ever heard of spider webs? Made out of reinforced silk? No? Okay, just wait for the police mechs, then.
delpharseven
On it: https://youtu.be/850ZgmDO61U
sergeantapone
Police opposing technology for their own benefit is not new. Some idiot cops opposed antilock brakes b/c they don't leave skid marks.
Hybris51129
SexuallyAssaultedMcChicken
People with trypophobia will say FUCK THAT
zanzaboonda
Yup. I hope there's some way to cover the front.
Dagordae
Ah, the random disorder of the year. Wonder what will pop up next year once this one loses it's popularity.
NirojD
So will people with trypophilia
OmenRider
ProfessorSandwich
"Anyone have any ideas on how to put ourselves out of business?"
exguerrero
Sorry but I can't follow your logic here professor!
IPoopAfterDrinkingCoffee
Assuming they'd make a proprietary material, bro.
MitchBeaucannon
"No, you have to be a licensed Michelin dealer to reprint those tires!" No worries they got it covered.
PerilousPiggiePie
Honestly, I could see them doing different colors to get people to buy more, too.
azgrak
Said the person who thought cars were a fad and buggies pulled by horses would always be the dominant form of transportation.
Ryang256
Technology always marches forward. If you don't make it someone else will. Best you be the one who does it to maintain some control.
Katadeus
I think the idea is that they'd rather put themselves out of business than have someone else do it
itislikeitis
You're going to get their service for healing the tires, they're not going out of business they are building a monopoly
thesupersonic
Now they're gonna charge to reprint the wear on the tires.
baronluke
"you wouldn't download a car" yes... yes I would.
governmentgavemeagun
That's why Kodak invented digital cameras then didn't follow up on it. They didn't want to hurt their film business. Look where it got them.
LittlePinkAnimal
It's the printer/toner business model. Sell people a product that ensures they'll keep coming to you for refills.
VulgarBear
ya but I can buy a new printer of a different brand for the cost of ink.
googlemebitch
And in those new printers they come with a cartridge that isn't full..that's why you run out so quickly..I used to work for HP deskjet
PabloLozano
Currently you can buy cheaper tires than Michelin ones, but you wouldn't want to risk yourself or your car with tires that cost 25€ each
VulgarBear
Yes I understand but the printer comparison was made at a time when you can by a decent one from any brand for cheaper then the ink.
LittlePinkAnimal
yeah, I'm guessing they'll price these so it's still something of an investment to make it feel like a loss if you switch. Once you've got
LittlePinkAnimal
these it'll be cheaper to just refill them rather than to buy new tires of a different brand.
VulgarBear
I could see higher initial cost with lower more affordable "refills" that encourage you to actually buy them until the next total purchase.
justanothermonkeylookin4lub
They would be selling the mats for reprinting so I'd say they will be more than ok
pylorih
I'll take things protected by copyright for $1000.
iDumle
Easy you just make it a licensed product, so you pay per year instead of per tire.
KobeBurger
I don't understand, pay per year of what?
thirith
Think of it as "renting" the tyres. You pay say £80 a year and the company guarantee your tyres work as intended.
bloodtypeinfinity
The ubiquitous nature of 3d printing and Internet blueprint files will likely make regulating that nearly impossible and make tire 1/2
bloodtypeinfinity
Repairs as easy as downloading pirated music. This corporate greed culture cannot keep pace with the rate technology is handing power 2/?
usersubbordercontrol
That's... Pretty smart. They'd be able to charge as if everyone is replacing the tires as soon as needed instead of driving on the rims.
usersubbordercontrol
And eco people could add funding
bloodtypeinfinity
Back to individuals and will hopefully be unable to adapt and go the way of the blockbuster. 3/3
PhailRaptor
That should be the goal of any business -- do your job so well that it is no longer a necessary job
ifIScreamIntoTheVoid
So, it's biodegradable, but it also lasts forever...
FartingDragon
This
Toqom
Doesn't last forever the treads need to be reprinted as it says
mozzaru
It doesn't need air, instead you just make an entirely new one!
nitroghost
if the whole thing is biodegradable, it's not lasting forever. contradictory
Vectorman2
No one ever said it lasts forever, it could work 'indefinitely' as long as you keep repairing lost or worn material
Dagordae
Except the internal bits would be continually breaking down, which you wouldn't be able to replace without replacing everything.
Vectorman2
How do you figure? the design looks porous enough you can reach most of the 'tire' to replace/repair/etc
nitroghost
it says it will never need replacing. but if it's biograding, it's going to need replacing
Vectorman2
Repair and replacing the entire tire are completely different things, did you read the second gif?
theshinobi23
"When the final product is available, it could last indefinitely"
Stev757
"indefinitely" technically means the end date can't be defined. Just cuz they don't know doesn't mean "forever".
diabLoDesignz
Because you can reprint the treads. Not the whole tire.
DigitalMau
its still contradictory
SherMattLockSmith
But the center hub part is still biodegradable... Not exactly giving high hopes of "lasts indefinitely"
diabLoDesignz
Yes but
Vectorman2
If you can reprint the treads I am going to go ahead and assume you can reprint other parts of the tire as well
mcof
East there, they said that it "could" last "indefinitely", so like, a possible undefined period of time.
maybeialreadydid
Indefinite != Infinite. It just means unknown, could be real long .. it you don't use it, and keep it in say the fridge, and oil it..
maybeialreadydid
But I'd be most interested in how the manufacture stacks up compared to reg tyres.
KungFugazi
I would assume they mean for the life of the vehicle. Not for eternity
Vectorman2
Never says 'lasts forever' it mentions it could work indefinitely as long as you keep reprinting damaged/worn material
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnm
If it's biodegradable then won't the whole thing need to be replaced at some point?
Vectorman2
Depends, do you consider your body 'replaced' most of your cells wont last the entirety of your life before being replaced by newer cells?
thatsALOTofnuts75
Anything spinning against the road surface with the weight of a car on it will need replaced
SheaBriar
You take the tires in and have the tread reprinted when it wears down.
esgedi
Please do tell me how exactly you think we can melt down and print VULCANIZED RUBBER.
SheaBriar
We can melt down and print aluminum and titanium, so rubber shouldn't be that big a leap.
Dagordae
K. What about the parts under the tread? Or the central hub? They will still be breaking down, though not as fast.
thatsALOTofnuts75
Then the overlay is still false as it says "never needs replacing "
Vectorman2
because the core 'tire' doesn't need replacing, just repair
JeffGodofBiscuits
I can see them working fantastically in a lot of areas, but what about lateral resistance? How would they hold up to cornering forces?
FirstThingThatCameToMind
looks like it has plenty of crumple zones. that or it looks like it'll turn to confetti if you headbutt it.
Orangicus
It's not obvious, but these tires look designed by an algorithmic AI to maintain structural integrity and stability while reducing material.
DjNeHi
And burnouts. How do they handle burnouts?
MrKibbs
Asking the real questoins. How do they handle 500 hp?
brknsoul
And U-eys and wicked sick doughies?
ThisUserNameMightBeTaken
Plenty of heatsinking area. Probably hold up quite well.
Shardikprime
and drifting. how they handle it?
Shoutrr
those are now known as "meltout"
YouCantGuessMyTHIRDDDFavoriteColor
And how do they handle different temperatures? What about quick changes in temperatures? Different weather? all that kinda stuff
BuzzKiIlington
Also if it loses a small part of its structural integrity, is the rest of the tire doomed to fall apart?
BayazTheBenevolent
The entire point of that print technique is that you have a lot of redundancies in terms of structure. That's why it looks so organic.
phrute
what about burnout 2s?
Meqad
And burnout paradise?
TachyonCode
Don't forget Burnout Revenge.
SpaghettoRaviolo
And burnout takedown
JeffGodofBiscuits
gonna need a lot of reprinting
nikon662
On board reprinting, inst-tire technology
UhhhhhNick
Just scrape up the melted rubber off the blacktop and recycle it for printing the new tread. Infinite burnouts
DasFerrus
"Infinite"
UhhhhhNick
finite burnouts.
OneArmedDuckFucker
why not just print the skidmarks on the road?
JeffGodofBiscuits
That's some forward thinking, right here
LegacyMuse
'cause then I'd have to vape to get the smoke.
supinebovine
Friends don't let friends vape.
notafan89
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Dahl1018
And aerodynamic resistance... Those things will create sooo much drag...
crantron
With 3 dicks.
Shelest
And what about crushing skull of my enemies in a Mad Max inspired vehicular showdown?
EveryonesRaping
don't forget tokyo drifting. gotta initial dup dat shit, son
fadecomic
Call me crazy, but I'm guessing a tire company probably already thought about this. They probably have an answer.
hockeyham
I wonder how it would take a pothole at 60mph?
isthatriight
It's 115 degrees in the state of Arizona. Will it withstand heat?
Dagordae
I'd be more worried about the heat from just driving. Tires get pretty hot even in cold weather.
FragileReality
BiliboyJenkins
Or UV damage, because it's plastic. It'll get brittle with age.
0verand0ver
But is it plastic?
Poopoopeepeevagina
I'm curious about stopping power.
Warpix
It's a pretty good perk, most people in CoD4 uses it
ConfusedLook
iovoid
The people with wagons probably said the same thing about rubber tires on cars. "How are they supposed to handle off road?"
SirD1000
allthewaffles
People acting like they can drive their own cars when these kinda tires are a reality
evmike
And how do they handle while driving on solar FREAKING roadways?
ElectricSpacePotatoes
About as well as solar FREAKING roadways would hold up to being driven on at all...that is to say not at all well.
WhatShouldIUseForMyUsername
Can we please get these already!? JEESUS
dgg7
you know they were debunked?
RedDwarfIV
Do you realise what happens to a solar panel when you drive a lorry over it?
javer80
woah, unexpected Gregzilla/B3 gif outta nowhere
Dagordae
The test walkway broke a dozen times and burst into flames. So not exactly a promising start.
WhatShouldIUseForMyUsername
Just because a prototype failed doesn't mean you should scrap an entire project guys, I still think it's a viable tech to pursue
evmike
I whole heartedly agree. I even debated this very point in one of my college classes. It was an earnest, yet unfortunately failure in crowd-
evmike
funding.
Dagordae
Why? What value do they have to justify the expense and time taken? The base concept is making stupidly expensive roads using horribly
Dagordae
Inefficient solar panels for the promise of benefits that range from nearly useless to absurd.
Gnerg
They are actually really inefficient. Better to just mount solar panels other places.
dokpsy
Like.... Over walkways instead?
Dagordae
Or walls, apparently.
Derragur
I love how ppl are asking questions as if the manufacturer ddnt think of it :p chill out wait for the product to be available, then bitch
BencitoMonito
thorkild91
A) most manufacturers love input because it helps them develop better products B) such a product has such a high chance of failure questions
Derragur
1)Am sure they are looking through imgur to try to find whats missing 2) Im pretty sure they know
thorkild91
Are completely necessary as well as worth it.
Derragur
You think shit like this comes up by having one guy shit a plan from his ass and wait for ppl to shit on it so he can fix it ? Its whole
Derragur
Teams researching shit to make sure everth works because if a project like this is sent to the market and fails it could be a disaster
Dagordae
This is a concept presentation, little more than big budgets spitballing. Once they actually make a proof of concept, then we can possibly
Dagordae
Believe their claims. Anyone can make up shit to get funding, that's how most things get funding. Look at all of Kickstarter's stupid shit
Dagordae
That Imgurians declared would fix all the thing. Waterseer failed. Solar Roadways failed(and burned). Self filling water bottles failed.
Derragur
Oh shit I thought it was a work in progress now im the retard
flassk
i'd just call them out on it never being replaced because no matter how conservatively you use them, they'll require replacement eventually
beorn080
I beleive the idea is to constantly rebuild them with an onboard printer.
eveonroad
While most tire wear occurs where it meets the road, stress over time would cause wear and tear on the other parts of the structure.
Dagordae
So rather than never needing replaced you are actually replacing them continually. Until the internal layers break down and your tires falls
Dagordae
Apart. Possibly exacerbated by the whole 'biodegradable' bit.
flassk
ey, this guys gets it.
Drnkpnthr
And snow? I doubt they would work up north.
SeaHacking
Check out the source video, it addresses this exactly
VikingZoidberg
My thoughts exactly! I just think of the way wet snow already compacts itself in the rims...
flassk
i'm less concerned about treads as ice buildup in the lattice.
circlejerkofhate
Put a cover on both sides of the wheel and bolt in on with tire studs?
thorkild91
That sounds like a lot of work. If it's once a month maintenance we'd be ok. But if those wheels last a week were fucked
circlejerkofhate
2/2 the actual wheel and make it easy to remove and reinstall the shell
circlejerkofhate
You could have something that slips over the wheels like a shell put a sensor on it that would tell you if there was structural dmg to 1/2
RebelSkull
Might work better, could print different types of tread. Different areas get different material consistencies, right where they need it most
Satherian
Why did I read this Abathur's voice?
Lilly93L
But studs though. We sort of need them in Scandinavia etc.
MetalMil
Tread doesn't do shit without studs when the roads are covered with ice.
ctzn07
see those small holes? ice...ice and snow everywhere
JeffGodofBiscuits
I think it might work, because I believe they are designed to flex. That way, every time you hit a bump, it will shed the build up.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
They could easily close those up.
PirateRubberDuck
I do wonder how that material reacts to temperature change too.
ctzn07
"organic" so I guess it's get stiff, real question is will it crumble or break
timtams
Yeah, just imagine how your SUV will handle with tyres that are 90% clay
LittlePinkAnimal
They could just cover up the holes with an exterior layer. That latticework think is probably just to make the concept version look cool.
YesThatWasMe
I was thinking that and the high speed centrifugal forces from high speed drivers.
RandomAussie
You setup the finite element model to handle that when creating the model to optimise. Google "finite element analysis".
DocKoolaid
Asking the real questions
CasumWallum
I don't think this product is supposed to be "high performance". It's meant to be a usable tire that your car can rebuild on the spot.
Chev8t8
Centripetal
PteradactylStevens
.... you won't be driving you're own car in 10-20 years.
pippen1001
Thats like saying we shouldve had flying cars like 5years ago... But its not practical
DuckyofDeath123
*your
Ripplingtwinkie
Itll be much longer before fully autonomous cars are widespread. There is a long way to go before they can deal with inclement weather
JeffGodofBiscuits
Not to mention the ethical considerations, such as, who gets sacrificed in the event of an impending collision.
BayazTheBenevolent
Mark my words. 20 years and you'll need a special license for driving a car yourself instead of letting the car drive.
Ripplingtwinkie
(2/2) road and adding sensors (a 50 year job), you should let me know because that's some valuable information.
SecondSince
Good.
Ripplingtwinkie
If you can think of a way for a self driving car to handle extreme precipitation and low light conditions, short of repavinf every road(1/2)
waitwasthatreal
You need one now... you don't need a license to ride in a car.
vox666
Uber has an order for 200-400k of them already to put everyone out of business when they come iut
Ripplingtwinkie
That's great, bud, but I guarantee they won't drive in a blizzard or heavy downpour.