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thatbluntguy
kanemano
it's called data rot, the best medium humans have found to combat it is to carve the information into rocks
thatguy1843
History is written but the winners.
MinorityOpinion
*survivors
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
Savagery damaged history now, and it continues up to this very day.
ReginaKasteen
Bold of you to think that anything had previously survived 800+ years of Roman legends and propaganda.
OppoQuinn
Especially considering that (barring Thucydides) most ancient historians didn't give a flying fuck about being accurate in their accounts.
BulkSausage
3Davideo
"Heh, 'gallic sack'."
cathebert33
He beat it!
parabolic000
I read that as garlic sack of rome and got really confused.
Stofele
you need that to make italian food
AreYouMyGuppy
Italian nonnas get pretty competitive
CastieJL
the garlic sack of rome makes many people shed tears
accujimmy
I laughed. I really did.
then if i have made a single soul happy it has all been worth it
faoltastic
Haha, Rome sucks! Gauls #1
RayAnselmo
Sophocles wrote 123 plays. We only have 7 of them. Like having a list of Shakespeare's works, but only copies of Hamlet and Twelfth Night.
drGrafenberg
History is all just fanfiction.
jonsnowdiesattheend
*sweats in Plutarch*
Buonaparte
History is a lie nobody contests. - Napoleon
Rectunator
YOU TAKE THAT BACK! ;___;
plsreadHayeksUseofKnowledgeinSociety
You can't convince me the Iliad isn't 100% true
TimJDrake
I get yelled at when I say this.
thematman92
You're not wrong....but its fanfiction from smart people not thirty sonic fans.
readerreaper
"Caesar..." Brutus moaned
WendyTheWendigo
You don't know that !
SFMGifs
... so it’s at least on or with Disney remakes level of fan fiction
I'd say it varies from historian to historian.
DuckTonaldFrump
The victors get to decide history.
trolololll
No one mentioned the History of Rome Podcast ? Check it out it is glorious.
Hifam2007
Spoiler: Rome was built in a day
nosoupforoldmen
The Goths sacked Rome, not the Gauls
Otterlypunk
@VikingCelt
VikingCelt
Noooooooo
lumb3rjack21
"History is written in pencil"
fairybug
I mean, humans have existed for 200k years, but we only have about 5k years of recorded history. Who knows what we're missing?
Zreen
History is written by the victors
Roger, Roger, What's our vector, Victor?
Sehorjuliemichels
My name is Victor. My life is shit. Im sick to fucking write the all time dumbest story. Humanity.
CloseupCaptionReaction
History is created by the present.
giordanom
Common phrase, not very true.
SomeContext
And Hectors
mangoramen
Problem here is that the Romans weren't even the victors.
Sauroctonus
They were victor for long enough that even as losers people paid attention.
WelllllIllBeDamned
HIStory
ZombieZooZombieZoo
I somehow really doubt the Romans knew, let alone wrote, the "true founding" of their city.
SlackerTactical
Rome wasn't built in a day.... but only according to legend
HighFunctioningSociopath221B
I read it as "garlic sack."
nauds
stop
Hammer time.
chine
... is there any reason to believe the Romans had an actual history of the founding?
The area had been settled since pre-history
JeremyPeevin
Once society becomes more digitally focused it'll be closer to 0%.
comacomacomacomachameleon
Websites remove pages or shut down all together, proprietary data formats we can't read any more, storage devices that can't be read.
while that's very idealistic, information loss is a huge problem in the digital age.
msafunk
In guessing that all the people asking why are under 25, and have never encountered a storage format that is near impossible to access now.
edgareplekjekk
It is not hard to emulate older systems.
yasariel
Yes it is, when you don't have access to the original hardware and the schematics. It will become even worse with more modern platforms 1/2
as you have more complex electronics, more abstraction layers in software, harder encryption, customer rights violation(aka DRM) modules 2/2
ZeparTheSinful
uhmm what? wouldn't it shoot up to 100%?
SillyGoat
Technically, as time passes, ancient literature, especially if not adequately preserved, will only continue to be lost, thus "closer to 0%."
Feralkyn
Yeah, but digitally-focused preservation of information means that almost nothing will be lost, provided we don't lose the backups.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Yes, totally! Say, did you know there's an ancient tribe of Roman legionnaires living in the Alps? I found it on some website, so it's true!
Dustorn
So, the existence of false information means actual information doesn't exist?
ArchAzazel
1/2It’ll be harder for people to sift through to find the truth. Imagine future historians trying to figure out the actual truth of our time
2/2 right now, with the millions of articles with contradictory information. They’ll have the opposite problem we have
TheRelevancyOfMyNameIsRelativelyIrrelevant
and then we will have to deal with all the misinformation, imagine keeping 100% of EVERYTHING written or said in human history.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
Wonder how possible it would be to wipe the internet from existence. Just imagining some sort of dark age and Luddite cult
sffmunkee
Like antivaxxers and flat earthers?
The internet wipes itself from existance. Try finding stuff from the early days of the internet.
NapoleonTrousersnakeBonaparte
While you probably could wipe the Internet from existence, that only removes the average computers ability to connect to others, it 1/2
Would still leave the data left over from the sites that can no longer be accessed, plus the mostly offline backups of that and other stuff
hajimedj
You just need one really good solar flare or the reversal of the earth's poles to render all electronics useless
primarian
A large portion of the electrical grid is unshielded, so a good solar flare would be bad.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Hate to tell you this, but the pole reversal started about 175 years ago...
Thunderwhore
clawthewolf
It's a very slow and gradual process, not instant
SmartAverageBear
Digital rot. Formats change and files stop being usable. Try reading a zip disk now
AmbroseGudmaker
Preservation movements are strong.
storebrandproductmascot
Hundreds of used zip drives on eBay in the $40 range
Durendal5150
I'm pretty sure I've got a reader in a closet somewhere, actually. Drivers on the other hand...
T3sl4co1l
Imagine an archaeologist digging through a trash dump, finding hard drive after hard drive, perfect blank slates of faded magnetization.
But before that, marauders melting most of them for scrap aluminum.
MynameisBaronRotza
Post digital revolution dystopian future
redrootie
AKCHUALLY that's the Media rotting, not the data itself
GeneralAnubis
Data degredation does actually happen due to cosmic rays flipping bits. Has caused some nasty effects.
Huh really? That sounds interesting, do you gave any sauce on that?
thatbluntguy
kanemano
it's called data rot, the best medium humans have found to combat it is to carve the information into rocks
thatguy1843
History is written but the winners.
MinorityOpinion
*survivors
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
Savagery damaged history now, and it continues up to this very day.
ReginaKasteen
Bold of you to think that anything had previously survived 800+ years of Roman legends and propaganda.
OppoQuinn
Especially considering that (barring Thucydides) most ancient historians didn't give a flying fuck about being accurate in their accounts.
BulkSausage
3Davideo
"Heh, 'gallic sack'."
cathebert33
He beat it!
parabolic000
I read that as garlic sack of rome and got really confused.
Stofele
you need that to make italian food
AreYouMyGuppy
Italian nonnas get pretty competitive
CastieJL
the garlic sack of rome makes many people shed tears
accujimmy
I laughed. I really did.
CastieJL
then if i have made a single soul happy it has all been worth it
faoltastic
Haha, Rome sucks! Gauls #1
RayAnselmo
Sophocles wrote 123 plays. We only have 7 of them. Like having a list of Shakespeare's works, but only copies of Hamlet and Twelfth Night.
drGrafenberg
History is all just fanfiction.
jonsnowdiesattheend
*sweats in Plutarch*
Buonaparte
History is a lie nobody contests. - Napoleon
Rectunator
YOU TAKE THAT BACK! ;___;
plsreadHayeksUseofKnowledgeinSociety
You can't convince me the Iliad isn't 100% true
TimJDrake
I get yelled at when I say this.
thematman92
You're not wrong....but its fanfiction from smart people not thirty sonic fans.
readerreaper
"Caesar..." Brutus moaned
WendyTheWendigo
You don't know that !
SFMGifs
... so it’s at least on or with Disney remakes level of fan fiction
thematman92
I'd say it varies from historian to historian.
DuckTonaldFrump
The victors get to decide history.
trolololll
No one mentioned the History of Rome Podcast ? Check it out it is glorious.
Hifam2007
Spoiler: Rome was built in a day
nosoupforoldmen
The Goths sacked Rome, not the Gauls
Otterlypunk
@VikingCelt
VikingCelt
Noooooooo
lumb3rjack21
"History is written in pencil"
fairybug
I mean, humans have existed for 200k years, but we only have about 5k years of recorded history. Who knows what we're missing?
Zreen
History is written by the victors
accujimmy
Roger, Roger, What's our vector, Victor?
Sehorjuliemichels
My name is Victor. My life is shit. Im sick to fucking write the all time dumbest story. Humanity.
CloseupCaptionReaction
History is created by the present.
giordanom
Common phrase, not very true.
SomeContext
And Hectors
mangoramen
Problem here is that the Romans weren't even the victors.
Sauroctonus
They were victor for long enough that even as losers people paid attention.
WelllllIllBeDamned
HIStory
ZombieZooZombieZoo
I somehow really doubt the Romans knew, let alone wrote, the "true founding" of their city.
SlackerTactical
Rome wasn't built in a day.... but only according to legend
HighFunctioningSociopath221B
I read it as "garlic sack."
nauds
stop
MinorityOpinion
Hammer time.
chine
... is there any reason to believe the Romans had an actual history of the founding?
chine
The area had been settled since pre-history
JeremyPeevin
Once society becomes more digitally focused it'll be closer to 0%.
comacomacomacomachameleon
Websites remove pages or shut down all together, proprietary data formats we can't read any more, storage devices that can't be read.
comacomacomacomachameleon
while that's very idealistic, information loss is a huge problem in the digital age.
msafunk
In guessing that all the people asking why are under 25, and have never encountered a storage format that is near impossible to access now.
edgareplekjekk
It is not hard to emulate older systems.
yasariel
Yes it is, when you don't have access to the original hardware and the schematics. It will become even worse with more modern platforms 1/2
yasariel
as you have more complex electronics, more abstraction layers in software, harder encryption, customer rights violation(aka DRM) modules 2/2
ZeparTheSinful
uhmm what? wouldn't it shoot up to 100%?
SillyGoat
Technically, as time passes, ancient literature, especially if not adequately preserved, will only continue to be lost, thus "closer to 0%."
Feralkyn
Yeah, but digitally-focused preservation of information means that almost nothing will be lost, provided we don't lose the backups.
INeedMoreGifMeMoreJustOneMore
Yes, totally! Say, did you know there's an ancient tribe of Roman legionnaires living in the Alps? I found it on some website, so it's true!
Dustorn
So, the existence of false information means actual information doesn't exist?
ArchAzazel
1/2It’ll be harder for people to sift through to find the truth. Imagine future historians trying to figure out the actual truth of our time
ArchAzazel
2/2 right now, with the millions of articles with contradictory information. They’ll have the opposite problem we have
TheRelevancyOfMyNameIsRelativelyIrrelevant
and then we will have to deal with all the misinformation, imagine keeping 100% of EVERYTHING written or said in human history.
ClericOfTheProsperityGospel
Wonder how possible it would be to wipe the internet from existence. Just imagining some sort of dark age and Luddite cult
sffmunkee
Like antivaxxers and flat earthers?
JeremyPeevin
The internet wipes itself from existance. Try finding stuff from the early days of the internet.
NapoleonTrousersnakeBonaparte
While you probably could wipe the Internet from existence, that only removes the average computers ability to connect to others, it 1/2
NapoleonTrousersnakeBonaparte
Would still leave the data left over from the sites that can no longer be accessed, plus the mostly offline backups of that and other stuff
hajimedj
You just need one really good solar flare or the reversal of the earth's poles to render all electronics useless
primarian
A large portion of the electrical grid is unshielded, so a good solar flare would be bad.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
Hate to tell you this, but the pole reversal started about 175 years ago...
Thunderwhore
clawthewolf
It's a very slow and gradual process, not instant
SmartAverageBear
Digital rot. Formats change and files stop being usable. Try reading a zip disk now
AmbroseGudmaker
Preservation movements are strong.
storebrandproductmascot
Hundreds of used zip drives on eBay in the $40 range
Durendal5150
I'm pretty sure I've got a reader in a closet somewhere, actually. Drivers on the other hand...
T3sl4co1l
Imagine an archaeologist digging through a trash dump, finding hard drive after hard drive, perfect blank slates of faded magnetization.
T3sl4co1l
But before that, marauders melting most of them for scrap aluminum.
MynameisBaronRotza
Post digital revolution dystopian future
redrootie
AKCHUALLY that's the Media rotting, not the data itself
GeneralAnubis
Data degredation does actually happen due to cosmic rays flipping bits. Has caused some nasty effects.
redrootie
Huh really? That sounds interesting, do you gave any sauce on that?