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Viewing history from a different perspective
Dec 2, 2017 10:04 AM
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DoorToHell
Didn't Hitler kill his little girl though? Goebbels daughter?
thereneedstobeimguranonymous
I'm surprised nobody in the image brought up Hannah Arendt's "The Banality of Evil"
Bobeez
Well, he wasn’t a “monster” but he was pretty strange. Obsessed with conspiracies, war, blood, mysticism. Watch him speak, he was a bit off.
MaxReboBand
CrossEyedVoyager
Shit got real I'm the Hitler fandom.
dongerjally
Hitler was a sensitive man
heyjohnnyjohnny
It is like when a child molester hides behind a religion in order to discredit his many accusers.
RhinosRfatUnicorns
This sums up “Apocalypse Now.” The most horrifying thing about monsters is that they’re people, and we could be them.
Bskubota
I never thought of hitler as evil; insane, maybe. The same applies to extremist religious groups, not all evil, but over zealous beliefs.
ResearchByJoe
Don't dehumanize, but don't erroneously assume we are blank slates either. It is human nature itself that is scary
manonthemountain
Read Ordinary Men. It's really all you need to understand what we are capable of
pickupartist
Hitler would have been a great imgurian. He liked children and dogs just like @lseenippIe did and he would have gotten a lot of int points
fappingsloth
TBH i think hitler loved children in a different way than @iseenipple does.....
whyisthissohot
It was likely 6 million Jews and 4 or more million non-Jews.
talos2
Ye... and the "history major" said nothing.
YeahDaddySpinOnMyAss
There are no real monsters in our world, except the ones we create. We are the scariest thing on this planet, no doubt.
eatenharry
Babbsykun1337
History repeats itself sadly.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
You think Soros us that bad?
Babbsykun1337
Soros?
TimCanterbury
We walk among monsters everyday. You have probably walked past someone today who has done things you couldn’t dream of. Just some person.
MusicIsJustWigglyAir
Whenever I read anything like ‘as a history major’ I instantly just think ‘fuck off’
cyberghduck
«Keep in mind, Eragon, that no one thinks himself a villain, and few make decisions they think are wrong. 1/3
cyberghduck
A person may dislike his choice, but he will stand by it because, even in the worst circumstances, (2/3)
cyberghduck
he believes that it was the best option available to him at the time.» 3/3 https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8349.Christopher_Paolini
Serkakker
This post is basically saying the same thing with different words again and again. But true
Aura0
despite him also being just as human as any of us, he still was an horrible one, he deserves the spot he has in history.
CaptainBack
He gets far too much credit for the human misery. The only person he was capable of physically killing was himself. The SS commited-
oumajgad
Same with every other leader.
CaptainBack
attrocities, those individuals commited attrocities. And, to be honest, if Hitler hadn't taken power, it would've just been somebody-
CaptainBack
equally awful. Communists, Nazbols, etc.
creepymustacheguy
Exactly. Can't help but roll my eyes whenever this gets posted and everyone get deep on the issue of whether Hitler can be called a monster.
ButWhyThough
Yes.Im 99% sure he was the lurking monster in a closet to many kids. Can you imagine fearing your life because an insane man wants you dead?
ButWhyThough
Culture calls serial killers and rapists monsters. Children as young as 13 in the US can get life without parole for things such as armed
ButWhyThough
robery. So how the HELL is hitler not a monster for killing 11MILLION PEOPLE. I dont pity him, he ruined so many families and lives
eggmuffin
It's not about whether or not it's an appropriate word to use. The point is that we have to remember that he wasn't more or less than human.
creepymustacheguy
Couldn't you also argue it's ultimately helpful that morally despicable acts (and their perpetrators) are labelled inhumane and monstrous?
eggmuffin
Absolutely not. It removes them from consideration. It distances "them" from "us". There shouldn't be a "them", as they are very much us.
ssjalhazred
1 Osama bin Laden had a Steam account. Played Counter Strike. Played a bunch of Nintendo games on an emulator. Had a favorite food. Probably
ssjalhazred
2 was a dog or a cat person. Horrible people have the most basic things in common with the rest of us, they don't just grow devil horns.
BigJewishHulk
He can't be a dog person, because dogs aren't clean according to islam
ssjalhazred
Porn is also not cool according to Islam, but he had that on his computer, too.
BigJewishHulk
I wonder how he reacted when balancing put him on the counter terrorist team
miltownmadness
“The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary. Men alone are quite capable of every wickedness.” -Joseph Conrad
Bossdogs
That is the most important lesson of 20thC history. We are now capable of evil on an industrial scale, and must learn not to perpetrate it.
aelfer
Does this also apply for goodness (or whatever the opposite of wickedness is) ?
miltownmadness
I believe it does, but I’m an optimist
PubicOvergrowth
He wasn't a vegetarian though, common myth
LouReen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism and you can read the book from speer as well. Maybe it was just an image
SaraFourImgur
This is a lot of conflicting accounts from people close to Hitler. I'm not convinced.
LouReen
Yeah like I said, maybe they wanted people to believe that. We cant get evidence now
PubicOvergrowth
Always thought it was some propaganda he spewed out, to appear better, and people took it to heart
LouReen
Yeah maybe its like that
talos2
The history major didn't correct his mistake? The 6 million figure is the an estimation of how many jews were killed, not including others-
DrRad
Thank you!
Poodlestrike
He's not really a history major, he's a covert holocaust denier. Minimize the numbers style.
APinkDragon
Or he made a simple mistake... He didn't deny the holocaust. He mistook that 6 million as all who died in the holocaust.
talos2
Someone might wonder if those people are really who they say they are... even though that I agree with what the history major said.
mattbl
Everyone on tumblr is a history major and had ancestors who were in concentration camps.
mattbl
Ancestor was a bad word, I should have said grandparent.
dale3887
Hitler wasn’t the worst thing in WW2 anyway. Nobody even talks about the Japanese and how many Chinese people they killed during WW2
IZ42
Given what would have happened if we *let* Hitler continue his holocaust. Many more people would be dead than just 11 million people. He was
IZ42
In power for about a *third* the of Stalin. (1933-1945 v. 1922-1952) and killed roughly 60% of the people based on the most credible numbers
IZ42
I could find. If they had ruled the same amount of time, Hitler likely would've killed many more people than stalin. Note, this isn't
IZ42
Glorifying Stalin, the man was an utter heartless cunt and a monster, and should not be given any praise, but Hitler was worse.
IZ42
I can't find death toll numbers on Japan's attempts, but they were certainly more brutal in execution (unfortunate word here) than most Nazi
oldelidog
Cuz there’s no 1, well known prsn u can associate w/ TheRapeOfNanking that you can then compare to Trump. Doesn’t fit the Imgur narrative.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
More like "americans have chosen to forget Japan's transgression against humanity because we wanted them to be a base against commies"
oldelidog
Inaccurate: learned about Japanese war transgressions in US high school and they’re on the History & Military channels all the time.
idkalan
Not sure why you're downvoted bc it' the truth. The US had a say in downsizing the Japanese war crimes by claiming it was Commie propaganda
idkalan
Which in turned allowed Japan to start fabricating its version of WW2. Which is why the current Japanese gov won't recognize Nanking, Korean
idkalan
"Comfort" women, Unit 431, & various other war crimes, by claiming that the opponents are exaggerating the claims
oldelidog
Disingenuous. U know exactly why untrue comments are downvoted...
idkalan
It is not a lie since the US has had a role in downplaying various war atrocities by claiming that China & USSR were exaggerating
randolphjcarter
Or how many Stalin's Russia or Mao's China murdered or starved. Hitler has become fetishised in the US to fit a political narrative.
IZ42
See my reply above. Mao is certainly worse than the other two, though just barely moreso than Hitler. In office 31 years, killed roughly 45m
IZ42
People in that time period.
WhoShotMeInTheHead
Is it just me or whenever there's is a long tumblr post there's always that dude who says "this is the best post i've seen in a while"?
Bossdogs
Sure, but who cares? The fact that this is the second most upvoted comment on this post kinda blows
Mjhusn
I cry evrtyme
MrEyeBrows328
“Can we just talk about...”
RobA05
THIS.
wingmanofmayhem
What? And people aren’t like this is a the best imgur post I’ve seen in a while? You’re literally tumblr right now.
Mikeiller
Still better than "."
GronxBacin
The dot is shorter and has a specific meaning.
Icantbelieveitsnotcancer
This is the best comment I’ve seen in a while
visorian
Every time anything Tumblr related is posted there is also a imgur comment pointing out redundent Tumblr mannerisms.
CaptainDju
If I ever stop reblogging this assume I'm dead
soapydux
This is the best post I’ve seen in a while
chrisNoodleKing
Frankly I agree with my older posts of seeing commerce like you air brushing statements like this
sallycinnamon
That phrase has become a trigger for ‘screenshot and share’ response
GreenYawgmoth
It's because nobody's screenshotting and uploading "today I ate a sandwich" posts. People crosspost the shit that is worth a crosspost.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
TBH I'm ready to die now because of this comment.
joemamasmother
I've OnlY sEen ThIS PoSt iN ScReeNsHotS
Iagohides
it usually takes a while before people on tumblr get around to saying something lengthy and insightful
legofham
This is the best comment chain I've seen in a while
JackTheBlizzard
This is the best ironical statement I've seen in a while
KyrieGloria
This is the best observation regarding an ironical statement I've seen in a while.
howbloodydareyou
It’s also the same guy every time
SpikeTheGoat
I mean, probably. Have the same kind of stuff everywhere. In imgur every top comment has "This deserves more upvotes!" in it.
celestedrake
To be fair, you can at least say that to multiple things and not contradict yourself.
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
Its only contradiction if the person saying "this is the best post I've seen in a while" is always the same, though.
SpikeTheGoat
True
overlordchris666
They don't read much, just upvote and leave.
cujo67
This is the best post I’ve seen in a while. +1 (departs)
inasexualway
Haha, we'd never do anything like that though.
sammbalam
There's no up voting on Tumblr.
MagpieNI
There's liking, which is essentially the same thing.
MarkOfTheCovenant
"I will never not reblog"
capngoat
“Assume I’m dead if I don’t reblog this every day”
RimJim
"Always upvote ______"
gewalt
thats the tumblr version of imgurs "+1 for shitty reason" people jump at the chance for it
Imforcedtodothis
lol +1 for the truth!
gewalt
+1 for comedic irony
Shamwowser
+1 for letting me know something was comedic and ironic
hillarymuff
Why do people continuously overlook the other ethnic groups who were slaughtered during the holocaust such as the gypsies? 11M total.
rocketsaprincesstoo
it doesnt fit the narrative
kgbofficer
That's what I wanted to point out. No, 6 Million jews is right. 11 Million PEOPLE but 6 million jews is correct too.
effigyoma
I have both Jewish and Romani/Gypsy ancestors. Romani were not a religion so they had little tying them together after American assimilation
effigyoma
So the Romani descendants don't really exist as a group anymore, unlike the Jews which have an organized religion. It never really comes up.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Because at the time few gave a fuck about homosexuals being murdered, or gypsies or what have you. Abrahamic faith targeted? Different story
CaptainBack
People in general weren't fond of all of the other groups killed at the time, so, they didn't care about gypsies/gays/etc.
nihilityfarce
Unfortunately people were less sympathetic to the other groups. Gay men were re-arrested after camp liberation and not considered victims.
TheRealSpaghettiMonster
Probably because the Jews made up the majority of the victims
eggmuffin
So what? That's no excuse to ignore half the victims.
quattroformaggix4
Totally. I think it’s just human flaw and human logic.
quattroformaggix4
Yep, you remember the biggest number. I don’t believe it’s ever intended or malicious or conspiratorial. Just human error.
oumajgad
I wouldn't call that conspiracy, but considering that they play Holocaust card every fucking time...
eggmuffin
The biggest number is the whole number.
quattroformaggix4
Touché. Locked into my memory now. Thank you :)
TheGhostofElizabethShue
I heard it explained this way: "It's true that not all the victims were Jews, but all the Jews were victims."
quattroformaggix4
See, you spend most of your time shmucking it up & ogling women on imgur, then you read a statement like this & you think for a minute. Bows
oumajgad
There's this country: Poland. It lost like 1/5 of its population. But no... we only hear about Jews. Or not a word about China losses.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
I've heard about both those things, and when I did no-one said 'what about X though?' Only the holocaust seems to provoke this response.
oumajgad
"Funny" thing is that iirc 50% of said Jews were actualy polish citizens.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
Probably. Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe before the war, about 3 million or just under 10% of the total population.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
I'd ask why, but it seems pretty fucking obvious why.
BananaBard
It was actually 11million+ people. 6million jews and 5 million other. And that number keeps going up as we find out more and more.
PotatOScore
Stalin killed twice that.
eggmuffin
Yes. What's your point?
SorenAziz
So what? It's not like normal people like that guy either. Both sick fucks.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Because certain conservatives don't care about either atrocity they just want an excuse to make all liberals worse than Hitler to themselves
PotatOScore
Stalin is glorified a lot bro.
IZ42
Castro was glorified a lot, not Stalin. Stalin is pretty universally seen as a gigantic asshole.
SorenAziz
A few tankies on the internet glorify him, normal people don't.
eggmuffin
Not outside the Soviet Union, no.
PotatOScore
Actually, many slavs hate him. You know..... 40 million dead and all.... Its
ARobotThatLikesEatingPickles
I remember one of the times this was posted someone pointed out it was 6 million jews and with the other groups included it's much higher.
SexualConsent
Yeah, it was 6 million Jews, and another 5-6 million gays, disabled people, Slavs, etc
TheRealSpaghettiMonster
I was just about to say that, thanks
HyWood04
i highly doubt he killed over 14 million people in his camps, the numbers are high, but not that high
dan144
It's 11 million in total.
Youbuttpirate
Can you provide any documents of that number? & not speculation please.
dan144
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims read this and its sources. If you don't believe these estimates, that's a separate (1/2)
dan144
Discussion I suppose. I'm not a history buff so I can't really discuss that.
Youbuttpirate
Yeah cause Wikipedia can't be edited by literally anyone lol,the number was made by the Soviets, who would NEVER lie about there enemy lol
Bossdogs
Yup. 6 million jews, and an additional 6 million gypsies, homosexuals, pollacks etc...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
"Pollacks"? Seriously?
Anotherlurkerbitesthedustinasemiamusingfashion
Keep in mind that the etc. also included other Germans who disagreed with Hitler's ideals in any way.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
And mentally ill, disabled, elderly, homeless etc. people. The very first victims of the Holocaust were inmates of psychiatric clinics, ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
including many mentally ill and developmentally disabled children. Some of the doctors who participated in this so-called Aktion T4 ...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
got away scot-free and continued to practice medicine after the war. Homeless people were slapped with the black "arbeitsscheu" triangle...
Sprixxen
How do you think the Germans got so efficient at mass murder? The T4 program gave them the experience necessary to later initiate TFS.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Yep. The Nazis methodically tested different methods in clinics. Lethal injection, vans as mobile gas chambers,even starvation in some cases
Youbuttpirate
Were does this 6 million number come from did someone pull it from there ass
eggmuffin
Census records from before and after the war, correlated with Nazi records.
ampuddle
The nazis kept many records about the concentration camps
Youbuttpirate
Lol ok M8
StrixxSlade
Nazi records and before and after census data
Youbuttpirate
1940-1945 there wasn't even 6 million jews in Europe lol & these "records" who found them the Soviets or British or Americans lol
eggmuffin
Who told you that?
Youbuttpirate
David cole
ChicagoStyleDotHog
Found the undereducated youtube watcher
Youbuttpirate
Uneducated lol were did you get your masters in Chicago lol,I have a number 1 billion native Americans exterminated, a real genocide
ItsARental
Youbuttpirate
David cole
ilovecake
Truly the rarest