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All-Time 'Complete Game' pitching leaders vs current day leaders...
Career complete games probably takes the cake for me as far as records that will clearly never be broken.
The use of pitcher has clearly changed over the years. A guy today hits 100 pitches and he is done. That obviously influenced the complete games as it does innings pitched.
A reduction in the innings also means a reduction in strikeouts. CC Sabathia has already played for 13 seasons, is 33 years old, and is not even halfway to Nolan Ryan’s strikeout record.
With the increasing bullpen emphasis, pitcher wins also matter much less in today’s game. When guys were throwing a complete game in 95% of their starts though, they got a lot more decisions.
It also meant that they got many more losses, which is why Cy Young’s loss record will probably never be broken either. Ironically, to lose this many games means not that the pitcher has to be bad, but has to be good enough to hang around so long he can build up the loss tally.
Of course if Young’s loss record is broken, he will no doubt hold on to his wins record much longer.
Another change in pitchers has been the increase of the number of runs scored. It is unlikely we will ever see another pitcher with a sub-1 ERA over a whole season. Current pitchers are not necessarily less dominant, though, if we look at ERA+, which compares each ERA to the league average of the year many recent pitchers are in line with the historic seasons of Keefe and Leonard.
Perhaps it’s not a real record category, but Johnny Vander Meer’s feat of throwing two consecutive no-hitters will be tough to beat. Unlike most of the other records, some which take decades to accomplish, this one only takes 18 innings. So I could potentially see someone tying this at some point, but three in a row? Good luck.
On to offense, we find Dimaggio’s famed 56-game hit streak. Unlike the pitchers, there has not been a drastic change in how offensive players are used. So it may take a long time, but this one isn’t insurmountable.
Ichiro arrived in the US at age 27 and stole a career-high 56 bags during his rookie year. Had he started in MLB at age 21 and stole 56 every season until he turned 27, that would bring his current total to one more than Tim Raines for fourth all-time.
Derek Jeter has played at least 145 games in 15 of his 19 seasons. If he continued to hit his career mark of .312 and didn’t miss another game, he would need five more years to break Rose’s record. It’s a safe bet this one will stand for a while.
Another one that would take about five years under optimal conditions to break would be Hank Aaron’s career record for most total bases. A-Rod is doubtful to reach that. Jeter won’t make it either. Albert Pujols, at 34, is about seven great years away.
One you don’t hear every day is Chief Wilson’s record of 36 triples in a season, which he did in 1912. Only Granderson and Lance Johnson have more than 20 triples in the past 20 seasons.
It would be stretch for Pujols to play that long, but not so much for Cal Ripken, Jr. who as you know played every game for 16 seasons. Another cool fact someone mentioned: Japanese player Tomoaki Kanemoto did not miss an at-bat or an inning on defense for ten years.
Finally, we’ve got the Cubs’ drought of 105 years without a World Series. If Epstein can’t pull it off, it may take 200 years.
You can hear Doc talk about his game: http://youtu.be/_vUhSYLRw14
tobias1792
This is pretty fucking cool.
LilBTheBasedGod
Give me 317 starts and I bet I can beat Cy Young's loss record.
ThatMasonGuy
Ichiro is in the 4,000 hits club.
Buster14
Cal Ripen Jr. is my favorite player ever. I did a 5 page paper on how he is a great American this year for English class.
Momof2needsabreak
http://imgur.com/q6w05G4 Randy fuckin Johnson.
smidgey
Never Forget R.I.P.
YellowSnowman
I don't follow baseball, but if we can accept hockey, I'll be damned if we can't accept this too!
LoneDirewolf
*raises hand sheepishly from the back of the room. Can we accept soccer?
milk72
hockey has violence and speed though. baseball is slow, calculated, much more about a 1 on 1 batter/pitcher duel.
WestCoastIsBestCoast
I don't care about baseball but I love graphs, so I'll happily accept this.
WrinkleRemover
I find this interesting as hell! Baseball has changed a lot since first being called "America's Favorite Pastime".
WrinkleRemover
Just because it isn't Supernatural doesn't mean Imgur needs to be blasting the downvotes. Content for all!
erikponty
Don't care about baseball or even understand what is good but +1 anway, want more of these for different sports.
timelord17
Pitching strategies have changed so much. It's really unfair to current pitchers to compare them to those before the live-ball era.
FancyFrance
Plus mound height changes took a huge advantage away from pitchers when they were lowered.
didyousaychocolate
Which is why it's saying that these are "unbeatable" records. It's changed so much, that those old records aren't comparable anymore.
sultin
Is anyone else worried by the giant gaps he's showing with the little blue arrow between the last two bars?
AisforApple
You're right. There's no way that those tiny arrows could support the columns, if those huge gaps started to collapse.
RxPro
Old Hoss Radbourn is one of the coolest names I've seen lately
RadishKing
I concur.
bumurutu
Seriously. For some reason I imagine him as the great grandfather of Ron Swanson.
ricklesdee
I've got a book about him. The way they played baseball back then (He did that record in 1884 for the Providence Grays) was insane.
Tinki
Man, that's a little too graphic for me.
solaiabladesong
I was at the game for Cal Ripken Jr.'s record breaking feat. I love the Orioles.
UlyssesSCant
I'm a statistician, I make charts like these. Life is average
cubsfan05
By far and away the 2 records that stand out as utterly impossible to replicate are most complete games and Cal Ripken's 16 year long streak
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
Those will be broke twice befor 3 consecutive no-hitters are thrown.
GreenBayPackerFan
Billy Hamilton (Not that one) Lol I get it, not the active one with the reds.
TotallyNotJaimeLannister
Yea I was playing MLB the Show and I saw that on a record and had to do a double take.
apatchoftrouble
I love your user name. Just sayin
icephoenix
Increased bullpen emphasis has nothing to do with why pitchers won't ever come close to the wins totals, both single season and career (1/2)
icephoenix
it's that pitchers would commonly pitch every second or third game back in the day. Nowadays a healthy pitcher won't even start 35 games.
datcord
You get a +1 for the last graph, if nothing else.
TwoInchPunishr
From this point on I will always do LSD before I play baseball
DownvoteFairly
NEEEERRRRD! How do YOU like it, huh?
AraFace
All of this is REALLY interesting... Baseball's really changed. :O
naxself
Re: wins: it's a bit unfair to compare old timey pitchers to modern pitchers because of the rise of the 5-man rotation.
ImHereForTheCera123MeltSteelBeams
Well that and older pitchers were pushed a lot harder and were a lot more durable than today's pitchers. Today's pitchers are under pitched
pooptallica
Dock Ellis's no-no was amazing. He wasn't peak-tripping, but he was def. still tripping, and had gotten some amphetamines from a fan.
imgursresidentasshole
The story is that he wasn't suppose to pitch so he took some lsd the night before, but then someone got injured or something and he had to
yourstruly0
I read that he just fucking forgot what day it was.
apotatochip
I wish that there was footage of that game. I've looked far and wide and have come up empty handed though
iamthisguy247
Didnt David Wells throw a perfect game hungover and maybe still drunk?
pooptallica
David Wells did everything hung over.
followmetothefuture
Yah he wrote about it is his book, he was still drunk when he threw his perfect game!
goodluckwiththat
I thought David Wells was always either drunk or hungover. He certainly looked it.
imgursresidentasshole
dive out of the way because he thought it was coming straight at him
imgursresidentasshole
go in and pitch. If you watch some of the hits, the ball would be going completely in a different direction then him and he would
0manuellabor0
Here's a cute animation for fans and non-fans alike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vUhSYLRw14
Tattooedtom
Ah yes I was going to post this gem. "I'm higher than a Georgia pine"
KnightSolaire
Ty Cobb was a crazy motherfucker. http://www.batoto.net/read/_/29913/the-lives-of-eccentrics_v1_ch1_by_hox/9
smaug777000
this was impressively good
dunknthefunk
It was confusing to read, like right to left
Mooselover2000
Baseball is a statisticians wet dream
iamgroooot
As a baseball statistician, I can confirm.
EggoAtLarge
Give me a job! Lol, that's always been my dream but I guess census data will have to suffice for now ;_;
razzledazzleNBAjam
Baseball is my wet dream. Wait, that doesn't sound as good as it did in my head.
Mooselover2000
It's okay, mine too
Apoazohr
Hold on a minute the cubs will continue to drought breaking their own record for decades to come
WaitLetMeGetaBeer
When (if) the Cubs win the World series, I'm pretty sure the whole city might burn down again.
TotallyNotJaimeLannister
As a Cards fan, We can only hope.
afartnSpartan
As a Cardinals fan, I find it hilarious that 2 Chicago teams haven't won a World Series in over 85 years but we've been there 4 times (1/2)
afartnSpartan
(2/2) and won 2 times within the decade. And hell, we could do it again this year.
Poopywaterengineer
Jimmy Rollins hit 20 triples in 2007, his mvp season
DrMardini
thank you someone else for remembering this...i was like fucking phillies haters forgot jimmy.
Undocorkscrew
Should've went to Holliday.
Poopywaterengineer
As a phils fan, I think you're probably right, but it's almost impossible to win an mvp in Colorado.
Poopywaterengineer
Many analysts said, that because of the Coors Field effect, their offensive productions were equal, but Rollins is a gold glover
jelliebellie
I have no idea what any of this means, but I appreciate bar graphs when I see them.
CGriffo124
Can we summon an American to explain?
jelliebellie
Yes, I agree with that plan
Black6doggod
American who plays baseball here.....these are terrible graphs.
daveypavey
What do you need help with? Most of it is pretty self-explanatory (if you know what baseball is)
CGriffo124
My knowledge of baseball consists of a bat, a ball, and it's apparently okay to steal bases.
Zachasm
MRW I read "It's apparently ok to steal bases": http://imgur.com/Yz8lm8M
daveypavey
Stealing is when you run to the next base when there isn't a hit
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
Basically all you need to know is that the great players of the past hold the most coveted records and changes in the way games are(1)
NoItsACardiganButThanksForNoticing
played means no one will really ever come close to them. Not just because of the changes, but because they were damn good(2)
daveypavey
Homeruns are when you hit the ball out of a field, resulting in an automatic score
Counterfit
Not actually automatic. The bases still have to be touched in order, and passing the runner ahead makes you out. See "grand single"
dylanIIII
I left just after the 6th
wbd6503
Found the Dodgers fan
dylanIIII
D-Backs, but close
ghsdkgb
Downvoters: FYI this is a baseball pun not an anti-sports "tl;dr" comment
dylanIIII
Thank you
Cambric
Way to bring new fans to the baseball realm. Overwhelm them with graphs and stats.
herewegoat
I can only imagine you're a guy with lense-less glasses.
nurseirony
Yeah...aside from my kid's little league. ..o don't like baseball ...i found this quite interesting
idrinkcheapbeer
I chuckled.
EggoAtLarge
This is baseball! It's easy to lose focus of a game when it is out of context but the stats and records are what gives fans a connection 1/2
EggoAtLarge
To the past
althanan
Given that this came from r/baseball, I doubt that was their goal. More to point out some interesting record info.
AcclaimNation
it's from /r/baseball... doubt that is the whole reasone...
YouAreANoob
Statistics does play a major role in baseball.
OobedoobScoobyDoobyBenubi
tbh that's pretty much all baseball is. statistics.
Loonsbury
Stats are the kind of things that make me interested in sports. I LOVE football stats.
MrBananaBeak
Data is beautiful.
MrBananaBeak
I love data. Data is beautiful.
datcord
This... actually made me give a crap about baseball for a few brief, brief seconds.
iamthisguy247
Baseball and statistics go together like the Cubs and failure.
CiriusTrio
I love baseball and graphs. This picture gave me an erection.
koopaya
seventyyearoldharrisonfordinjuredonset
I would suggest the film Moneyball.
Avedas
To be fair, this is more interesting than the sport itself.
sipos0
As someone who likes statistics and plots but is not into baseball, this would probably be the best way to get me interested.
hobgoblinknobgobblers
It's from r/baseball.
Perkunas687
Or overwhelm them with overly long games with very little action.
Perkunas687
Downvote as much as you want, baseball is the most boring sport. Even curling is more interesting. Let me stand at the plate for 10 minutes.
ghsdkgb
I actually found it totally interesting and will be sharing it with my friends who actually like baseball
belongsinamuseum
Same here. This is what baseball is about. You want flash and attitude go watch the NBA.
ghsdkgb
but then I'm a math teacher so...
CaptainMurrica
You'd probably find a lot of stats sabermaticians use pretty interesting.
WrinkleRemover
...my friends do not statistically exist.
InfinitusEquitas
You my "friend" need to get familiar with quantum physics instead.
WrinkleRemover
I do indeed dabble