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Me too
Edit: in no way am I saying that Biden is just as bad as Trump. He is objectively a better choice. But "better than Trump" is such a low-hanging fruit that it's basically a carrot. I'm just disappointed that instead of a candidate who has a verified history of fighting for equal rights and supporting the most vulnerable, we're relegated to someone who's just a less shitty option that we can probably reasonably count on to actually consider the opinions of experts and not make decisions based on what will "stick it to the libs". Its just depressing...
JackBurton777
Yep.
techhqs
Biden is a mountain better than trump
Ginoawesomesauce
Then you should have fucking voted
evillaughter
Get inspired. Do your part and find a reason to be excited. The Supreme Court, international leadership, the needs of others.
stxtfr
THE NEEDS OF OTHERS!! So tired people throwing away their vote because they don’t think they’re effected by the outcome
DarthLabradoodle
TheWildGunman
This is fucking great
NeutralMilkHotelisOverated
America had their chance with Sanders. Anyone “waiting” for political reform will wait their whole lives.
Mordy9
nihiltres
Hello there
LexiClarke
His allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy!
glassware
The problem is you are not guaranteed to get the candidate you like best until we have ranked choice voting
StormBurnX
You are not guaranteed to get the candidate you like best until you are the only person voting.
lmagine
Democratic/undecided voter apathy coming in. Another 4 years baby. The easiest to beat candidate/president ever - and dems just can't.
NOINOON
This post does not represent democrats. It's built to look like that to sway opinion. You should know that, you fucking Russian troll.
Imalwaysready
People have to start showing up, then. Turnout rates are abysmal. ESPECIALLY in the under-30 crowd.
CyborgSpaceViking
Truuu
chocolatechewie
Oh my God, how hard can it be!? Just don't vote for the fucking reality star you dumbasses!
CakeTerrorizer
I'll only vote for the candidate who agrees with me on every single issue And has the same favorite color!
CyborgSpaceViking
I'm not budging on healthcare.
StormBurnX
Meanwhile my parents will literally just base their entire decision on who's more "pro-life"
CyborgSpaceViking
*big fucking facepalm*
SeaBisq
Damn straight! Or does that make me homophobic?
KingofDucks1990
This false dichotomy bullshit needs to stop. The GOP wants an indifferent and disenfranchised public. Don't fall for this garbage again.
ArkoneAxon
We didn't fall for it in 2016... that's how we got Trump in the first place.
NOINOON
Yes you did. It's been studied and found that it was a major Russian troll tactic.
Beleg7
As a 41 year old who was an enthusiastic Warren supporter:
StormBurnX
Warren was a good idea but was never going to win, voting for her would have been just another throw away vote :I
CyborgSpaceViking
I really liked Warren up until she caved to some super packs and flopped on the healthcare stuff.
Gherkincensed
Yep, sold out real quick
LuminoZero
A few years younger, but same. Warren would have easily been the most intelligent and capable President of them all. No contest.
CptJTuttle
Ah ha, hahaha HAHAHAHAHAHA
bgsteiner
If only one of the countries founders warned us
VikingsAreNinjaPirates
I'm just hoping Biden picks a cool VP, because his brain seems to be slipping and we're may go 25th Amendment before too long.
getridofTheSeaword
Please be Warren!
NOINOON
LOL look at Ttump and come back again with the 25th bullshit.
Bon3rJams03
They should make it a Biden/Bernie ticket. Consolidate support.
SeaBisq
It’s going to be a woman, my fear is it’s going to be Killary
ArkoneAxon
No, it's likely to be Kamala "I knowingly incarcerated innocent black men" Harris.
PeeterGrant
Could be Stacey Abrams or maybe Michelle Obama.
SeaBisq
Thinking positive I see!
MyCakeDayOnlyComesOnceEveryFourYears
Start supporting more progressive candidates in local and statewide elections, that builds a base that will turn out when it matters 1/
MyCakeDayOnlyComesOnceEveryFourYears
That is how third-party candidates can grow their message, not be shitting on the DNC because they only run as a Democrat because they 2/
MyCakeDayOnlyComesOnceEveryFourYears
can't get on the ballot as an Independent.
radiosilents
but in the meantime, VOTE IN THE INTERESTS OF THE WEAKEST AND MOST AT-RISK MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY AND SOCIAL CIRCLE
TevishSzat
Me too, but in the meantime, progress must be made in inches, voting for what's better rather than worse, by however small a margin
Sugarcrotch
are you actually trying to make a case for biden to be president? thats elder abuse. the guy clearly needs to be in a hospice house
getridofTheSeaword
Is trump less senile in your opinion?
Sugarcrotch
i dont think he is. i think hes an idiot and a greedy liar that wants to see america crumble
getridofTheSeaword
Ok, have you actually watched any video footage of trump? And you’re saying he’s MORE coherent than Biden?
UtherCLX
Why not Bernie? I am from the UK and looking at the US he seems like the only candidate you have had that is actually honest.
CyborgSpaceViking
JackArnone
Because despite internet enthusiasm, People under 30 didn't turn out to vote.
EnDeRWiGiN
Because he is a comi. Not even the socialist in the UK support cuba and Venezuela
UtherCLX
So you would pick delusional, racist, homophobic, thieving, lying crooks over some who honest because you think they are commie?
EnDeRWiGiN
Someone can be an honest commie. I would pick someone who had the interests of the nation and its people. Character traits are secondary
UtherCLX
With that logic you ruled out everyone but Bernie. He has consistently and repeatedly fought to put the ppl of America first. 1/2
UtherCLX
2/2 it's in his voting record and character I would put my trust in, if I lived in the US. It's a mute point now though.
FlissFloss86Gaming
I mean, Biden might not be excellent. But he's quite a bit better than just "moderately less shitty" than Trump
LuckyMan9
I'd rather have Joe Exotic be president at this point.
PeeterGrant
He kind of is already.
Aimlockbelch
A narcissistic moron whose only loyalty is to himself? I got you covered already!
Beleg7
Reminder: We're wondering if Roe will be overturned because people bought the anti-Hillary crap in 2016.
IWATCHDEATH
Roe isnt going to get overturned. If they were going to do it, they’d have done it by now. They need it to hype the base and vilify the left
Beleg7
Vote for the person who won't fill the bench with unqualified FedSoc judges.
BoomHertz
F*cking THIS. +1
stxtfr
RBG can only hold out for so much longer ... don’t fuck this up people!! We’re playing the LONG game
GinOClock
If we had immortal machine intelligence, could we theoretically keep RBG forever? Or would we have to continue to re-appoint judges?
WarmCigarette
If the Democrats actually gave a shit about any of this they would've harnessed the power of the populist left and not fucked Bernie
FartyMcDumpstein
By running a guy that has less support than the middle guy? Do people honestly believe all the Biden votes are imaginary or fraud?
WarmCigarette
Biden had the support of the Democratic machine, which includes a lot of center media, and has opposed sensible election reform...
WarmCigarette
...like holidays on election days (to encourage turnout) forever. Fuck em.
FartyMcDumpstein
But the *only* metrics we have available are votes and polling, *both* of which indicate Biden is the preferential candidate.
OneTrueGif
DON'T LET TRUMP PICK 2+ MORE JUDGES YOU PUSSY ASS LIBERALS, GO AND FUCKING VOTE.
DankeMoon
I think I love you. Thank you for your service.
BoomHertz
phocalpoint
If Biden loses, the Supreme Court is fucked for 50 years and all of our progress will be for nothing! Hold your nose if you have to VOTE JOE
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LuckyMan9
Biden will lose. I hope I'm fucking wrong like I was in 2016.
TransitAuthority
I'm not voting for a rapist.
JackArnone
What the fuck do you think Donald Trump is? Grow up and vote for the person who doesnt have a record of putting rapist on the Supreme court.
TransitAuthority
I'm not voting for a rapist or someone who put a sexual harasser on the supreme court.
NOINOON
That unfortunately is a lie, because you are a right wing op executing the exact same plan you did in 2016.
TransitAuthority
I'm not voting for a rapist.
Xdeddc
I guess the dnc should have thought about that before.
EMTMarv
Joe Biden 2020
Gayforbae
Thats rediculous. Hes a little handsy but lets not equatenthat to brock turner levels of rape.
EMTMarv
Do you not believe Tara reade?
CoBr2
Honestly, a bit questionable... She claims to have reported it to his former female campaign chief who says she never reported it and she
CoBr2
was posting Russian propaganda literally a week before... It's believable because of the pictures of him generally just touching people, but
CoBr2
her story in particular seems much less believable than the others.
EMTMarv
Soo ill take the downvotes as no good to know it the rapist with the better policies
Sugarcrotch
because bernie is an option
laton
Not anymore
kakivara
She doesn't accuse him of Brock Turner-style rape, just sexual assault. Which apparently does not disqualify from POTUS or SCOTUS any more.
JackSkellington59
quick shot at Mr K there when nothin was proven. if it was it would indeed have not let him be there
kakivara
I thought she was credible and believable. She gains nothing by coming forward. If you don't believe, fine.
EMTMarv
We believed Christine Blasey Ford. Are we turning a blind eye to Tara Reade now because its our party?
kakivara
I'm not turning a blind eye to anything, and it's not my party. But apparently it is not a disqualifying factor, based on history.
kakivara
Based on precedent, I should say.
Gayforbae
Ive founded less compelling than others ive heard. Really just seems liek the asiest way to try to take down a male politian
EMTMarv
You know they said the same thing about Christine Blasey Ford.... sad to say we are using those talking points to defend Joe...
Gayforbae
True. And i wasn th totally sold on her either, but how he acted ablut it sealed it for me that he didnt deserve the seat.
SolaceAvatar
Your choices are right wing, or right wing but apologetic about it
LuminoZero
Joe Biden is currently the most Progressive major party nominee in all of America's history. Just FYI.
WarmCigarette
lol
CyborgSpaceViking
That is the most laughable comment I've ever read.
LuminoZero
Name a major party nominee with more Progressive stances.
WarmCigarette
Bernie Sanders
LuminoZero
I wasn't aware Bernie Sanders was ever a Presidential Nominee. Nominee is the person selected to be on the GE ballot, FYI.
WarmCigarette
Oh wait are you doing a "well actually he just suspended his campaign" joke? Fuck off
Masterofdisgust
Y'all start trying to fix the system rather than waiting for the system to fix itself
TheGoddamnDanman
Kinda hard when the GOP actively participates in voter suppression in order to put weaker opponents in place, like they just did in Wisco.
RICHARDJOKES
You can't fix the system when almost everyone in it is corrupt
OverconfidentTRex
To do that you need a centralistic veiw as well as an open mind, which 50% of the librals dont have either
fknbastard
Ranked. Choice. Voting.
ArcaneKvothe
Yes it can be done. starting in the imgur comments section. Where true leaders are born.
MikeCobo
Not gonna happen. Gonna be a while before people start caring about politics in a way that actually brings change
deebaser
I didn’t even get to vote yet. I don’t live in one of the lucky states that get to pick the democratic nominee.
fireflowerfire
That sounds a lot like "shut up and vote for some asshole."
Ghostwish
The last time we did that, it was the bloodiest war the USA had ever been in. Not saying it shouldn't happen again, just saying.
crisscross98
Easy for you to say. I've got a baby and full time job
LordofSandvich
That requires a serious kickstart to gain momentum. It's going to take a lot more than money and some intelligent people.
MattAustinWrites
This is the first election that's feasibly possible since Boomers won't be the majority voting group anymore.
Josefbugman1543
Organise. Seriously, go out and organise Socially.
dschuma
Maybe wait til you won't kill aunt Mildred
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Keeperofthe7keys
Tried that, didn't work.
dcjunkee
Sure, but they keep breaking the tools we use; i.e. voter suppression, electoral college, right leaning SCOTUS
EveryonesCousin
How? Plenty of us talk, donate, vote, but corrupt money has always won, my whole life
CripplingDepresssion
Hey man I voted for my local government. My district just happens to be heavily affected by gerrymandering and my candidate didn’t win so uh
BishlamekGurpgork
I honestly don't think the electoral process is fixable while it has to be done piecemeal, state by state.
SirReginaldDukeOfChutney
How would you do it?
BishlamekGurpgork
Firstly, redistricting. Instead of having humans guide the process, set law that districting is done by mathematical formula, as a couple
BishlamekGurpgork
of states have already done. This will deny access to gerrymandering to deny representation to a group. Secondly, campaign finances. We
BishlamekGurpgork
need transparency, we need accountability, and we need that money not to vanish once the campaign's over. We need to know who we're
pierresito
Backing Bernie was that. Working through the process to have a candidate that supported our ideals. That's out so they out too
merryprankster118
Exactly. Rights and civic responsibility have been decoupled over the past 50 years
everythingandeveryone
That requires power and money. Both are not in the people's hands here in the US.
tmanner
Yeah we gotta wait till all the people who don't watch cnn/fox news to die off first. so 10-20 years. The viva les revolution
maxwellstorm
I feel a revolution coming on if this goes on much longer people can change the system america has done it before 1776
ClevaGrl
I'm already looking at places to move out of the US once possible. There's way too much to fix & way too little action to fix it.
cecilryegate
That's my life goal right there.
ClevaGrl
Look up gerrymandering & you might start to understand what's happening here.
Imgonnatipyouwell
WE DID, IT STILL FAILED US!
Sidewinder1018
France? Pretty good habit of that.
Imjusthereforthecomments
There’s literally no fixing the American political system anymore, short of violent revolution.
ClevaGrl
Agreed
SouperScott
Historically accurate, they exist, but times where people non-violently changed their governing are outnumbered massively.
Imjusthereforthecomments
The nonviolent times were much smaller-scale and were generally eventualities. And they usually had outside support.
DrProfessor69
System ain't broke, working as intended tricking us into thinking we're participating. Dunno why it's not equated to gambling more often.
dschuma
In gambling, the house doesn't always win short term, it's not the same
DrProfessor69
Pull the lever, place your vote, watch all the fanfare and get a result benefiting larger entities regardless regardless of the outcome.
WoodfolkFae
yes but that requires a president that wants to fix it.
Gayforbae
Does it?
BigJockMcTroll
We need a general strike backed up with a concise list of demands, bruh
Sw4gtastic
We need to figure out what demands we can all get behind first
LurkerOfDarkness
That's what so many of you say you need all those guns for. Well-we're-waiting.gif
ComradeZoidberg
Fixing the system starts at the local level. It’s going to take town and state level politics changing before nations can.
FreedomWaffles
nope. nope it don't. we're so apathetic we don't realize it starts locally and builds it's way up. it takes decades to create change
Masterofdisgust
No it doesn't. Your system is supposedly democratic. YOU take control
maxwellstorm
i think you're underestimating how powerful everyone can be if we all actually worked together against said government
ChainedMonkey
You can't get 10 random people to work together to make a tuna sandwich much less something as divisive as political governance
CorgiGrrrMan
Not so, get involved in your local politics. City council has a lot of power relatively, and by being the change you want, you empower
Imafishwithlegs
Exactly, example the town im from has a city council and it just voted against closing all non essential businesses. It all starts at home
MrBigMcLargeHuge
They voted to keep the businesses open? That's pretty stupid. Hope your hospital is a big one.
CorgiGrrrMan
The type of candidates you want to see, or even lead future candidates to follow you.
Xander77777
Just fucking once, can we get a candidate for "better things are actually possible", rather than "the other guy is worse, so you have to"?
getridofTheSeaword
Ummmm, Obama’s slogan was “yes we can”.
Xander77777
Yes. We got exactly one candidate in the last 24 years. Of course he dropped that idea like a hot potato once he actually got into office.
NOINOON
I thought you were a right wing operative. Now I'm sure.
getridofTheSeaword
I dunno, the ACA was a pretty damn big feat that he, with Biden, accomplished. You asked, I answered.
Xander77777
It was literally a republican think tank policy. And Biden is going to veto medicare for all partially to defend this "legacy".
getridofTheSeaword
Most all presidential hopefuls have run on positive campaigns. Only a handful have been negative.
nihiltres
Reminder: as long as the two-party system exists, a write-in or third-party vote is effectively a vote for the candidate you like less.
pastramionrye
No. It actually influences the type of candidate and policy that the other two parties have the freedom to (or need to) adopt.
ClevaGrl
Totally agree! The 2 party system is horrible and a sham.
YourLordCthulhu
But vote for the party that keeps backing middle-of-the-road candidates nobody wants because they're convenient, and they'll do it again
nihiltres
Middle-of-the-road Democrats are a symptom of the two-party system. Vote for them anyway: only Democrats are supporting electoral reform.
McFuu
This thinking is a self fulfilling prophesy. Vote for who you want as president.
hawkeye23
No. That is the rhetoric of the two party system. That mindset is exactly why we have only 2 partys.
PablosBrodos
I am a fan of Single Transferable Vote. Seems like a pretty smart solution.
HaberdasherInGold
Ah, shroedinger’s voter, who is simultaneously voting and not voting for both Rep and Dem candidates by voting third party.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
It's a vote for whatever everyone else decides. The net effect is the equivalent of not voting at all.
parkerh17
This isn't true, if you vote for them they don't have to listen to you, don't vote for them and they work to bring you back.
Sugarcrotch
ive always written the person i wanted in if they where an option. i vote for who i want. i dont settle. if it doesnt work at least i tried
Diplominator
No, you didn't. You made yourself feel better and hoped other people would fix things for you.
Sugarcrotch
no. i just dont vote for someone who i dont support.
Diplominator
...and thereby aided the people you support even less.
Sugarcrotch
the ones i did support dropped out.
TaintedBakLashh
I vote vermin Supreme every election. For every position. Don't tell me I'm wasting my vote. One day he will win.
OtterlyMagnificent
The Horned Rat thanks you for your service.
TaintedBakLashh
Not understanding your reference there
OtterlyMagnificent
TaintedBakLashh
I was thinking Warhammer but wasn't sure
Aliubi
And a vote against the two-party system
nihiltres
That's about as reasonable as writing in Snoop Dogg because you want to legalize weed.
Aliubi
Definition of insanity...
bonly89
Yeah, but if you vote for someone and they do what they said they'd do you can't complain.
valen00
Actually you really still can complain. It's not even a little bit illegal. You can petition, harangue, lobby, protest you can even whine.
valen00
In an effort to get them to be less shitty than they advertised they would be.
StormBurnX
a classic r/LeopardsAteMyFace/
Hardcore04
https://frinkiac.com/video/S08E01/AD2NLKqM5a8KQtMCWAKZxHNWcXE=.gif
Woodcastle
As long as this is true there are no good candidates only less shitty ones.
hellodeliciousfriend
Hard Truth: There are never good candidates only less shitty ones. Yes, even the one you like.
Woodcastle
Good would be you agree with more than half of what they say, which should be possible under ranked.
hellodeliciousfriend
What does that even mean? You can't meaningfully measure people that way.
Woodcastle
You can meaningfully measure the worth of their stated platform and previous voting habits.
BringingRationalityBack
Except that's blatantly false. FEC regulations dictate that 3rd parties can receive funding if they receive 5% of the vote. 1/
BringingRationalityBack
By telling people to never vote 3rd party, you're dooming 3rd parties to never be relevant. 2/
Deadmanwalkn
Realistically, no 3rd party will ever have a chance until we implement rank choice voting. That probably won't happen until we can elect 3/
Deadmanwalkn
more progressives into Congress. Progressives will continue to be at a disadvantage until a) the older generations start dying off and/or 4/
Deadmanwalkn
b) corporate funding is stripped from politics. 5/5
lemarc103
Our voting system does that anyway
StormBurnX
A vote for someone who won't win is a throwaway vote, which effectively defaults to majority. Don't be a dipshit.
BringingRationalityBack
So you're just ignoring what I said while lobbing ad hominems? #pureimgur
StormBurnX
I only ignore dipshits who pretend they're intelligent. #checkyourself
thatsbadmmkay
Im just gonna write in Bernie unless Biden convinces me he'll be better than Trump.
lemarc103
I don't want to worry about Roe V Wade being overturned.
Diplominator
Biden is *obviously* better than Trump and will not appoint Trump-style cabinet members and officials.
Deadmanwalkn
Unfortunately, I think this is the wrong election to die on the hill. Another Trump term would just do too much damage that couldn't be 1/
Deadmanwalkn
fixes for literal decades (state/federal supreme court justices). Last election or next election? Definitely, but not this time imo. To 2/
Deadmanwalkn
be clear, I think Biden is a trash candidate who will likely lose to Trump, but nonetheless, I feel forced to vote for him this time. I 3/
Deadmanwalkn
fully expect to have to vote 3rd party/independent in the future as I too am just too tired of watching the corp dem agenda fuck over 4/
Xdeddc
That's been the same reason for over twenty years st this point.
Deadmanwalkn
Wouldn't qualify for me at last year's election. There shouldn't be a supreme court position open next election
SuspiciousCactus
But, this mentality is why the two party system remains. If we all collectively voted for someone else, that person would win.
FlissFloss86Gaming
The issue would be getting ~50 million people on the same page for a non-major party candidate. The odds are heavily against that
FartyMcDumpstein
1) And the system wouldn't change, someone else would just win. I'm not sure how people think some hand-wavy 3rd party has a magic solution.
FartyMcDumpstein
2) Structurally, one of the parties will disappear, and we'll be right back in 2-party territory, just a different name brand.
Sugarcrotch
independents silently stare at you*
FartyMcDumpstein
In pikachu face, or a glare?
drakewarnock
You're not wrong, but if more people wanted Sanders than Biden he'd have one the primary, ergo Biden is just more popular than Sanders 1/
drakewarnock
2/ I'm not saying that I think Biden is better, just that more people in the country think Biden is better. That's just how it is.
Kopar
But we won't. The collectively vote for someone outside the two major parties has some flawed logic. Is it techncially true, yes, is it
Kopar
2) going to happen? No, at least not in 2020. The Republicans are firmly behind Trump, so we'll take that 50% or so of voters away. So now
Kopar
3) we're looking at say, a Biden for Dems and a Bernie as independent, your assumption that if everyone collectively votes for Bernie then
Kopar
4) he would win is flawed because a significant amount of voters voted for Biden, not as a consolation but as their primary choice. So, sure
TheThingNoNotThatOne
The problem is that Dems and Reps are broad parties that appeal to large groups by design. You can't convince enough to make a real change.
ShinyPenguins
Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't be done.
MNColdagain
So that self defeating attitude helps?... That the same as the "lesser of two evils" argument just reworded.
Badprenup
It isn't self defeating, it is being realistic.
AisforApple
Problem is that any winning 3rd party simply becomes the new 2nd party. Wins are both hard to pull off and don't address the root issue.
MNColdagain
So what possible solution do we have? I am just tired of excuses.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
No, because any policy that is drawing voters towards the Green or Libertarian party will become part of the Dem or Rep platform.
CocktailGaming
The problem is not just mental. It's mathematical. The "First past the post" system always leads to a 2 party system.
FartyMcDumpstein
POTUS isn't FPP. FPP is a plurality system. POTUS is absolute majority. The rest of our elections are FPP.
Santac99
No, POTUS a FPTP system eg California is Democratic, so no point for any campaining there.
FartyMcDumpstein
No. POTUS is absolute majority. If nobody gets 270 EC votes, the House picks the winner. You need >50% of the EC vote.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Why? Canada has FPTP and we have 3 major parties and 2 others that are big enough to get invited to debates.
CocktailGaming
*almost always, then. Still there's a very interesting video by CGP Grey about voting systems that is way better than me at explaining it.
CocktailGaming
Would you like the link to vid? Or just ignore this, you don't have to listen to me obviously.
lordnequam
Only if we agree, which is the point of the two parties: they're broad enough to be sustainable. You need ~50% of people to win. 1/2
deviantduck69
You only need 34% leaving the other two parties at 33%.
lordnequam
2/2 If you add a 3rd party more liberal than the Dems, then they split the left and Republicans win every time.
packardcaribien
The party's already split in two. If Bernie won (not that the DNC would allow that) the moderates wouldn't show; now the leftists won't show
millenniumf
The political situation in America is such that moderates are pretty few and far between anyway.
lordnequam
Given that the leftists didn't show in the primary, that isn't a surprise.
nihiltres
If you have ranked-choice voting, vote-splitting doesn't work that way anymore: the left will just split between first and second choices.
Deadmanwalkn
Honestly, I only ever considered rank choice voting for it's primary benefits, but you're absolutely right. It would actually allow 1/
lordnequam
That is true, and I 100% support voting reform. Our current system is stupid in the extreme, but it's what we have to work with right now.
Bukkhockey
It's a vote for who or what you want and that's all that matters. Also, abstaining from a vote, is long practiced and perfectly reasonable
StormBurnX
A non vote/throwaway vote is just a vote for the popular majority choice. Don't be that guy.
Bukkhockey
No it's most certainly is not. Don't be the guy who perverts democracy by defining someones free choice to fit your nonsense.
StormBurnX
Don't be so dense. A vote for someone who is clearly not going to win is effectively a vote for no one. Same effect as not voting at all.
Bukkhockey
That's ridiculous. Don't push your pathetic Eeyore nonsense on everyone who voted or abstains in a free society.
lordnequam
And that's fine as long as you're not poor, female, a minority, or some other population at risk under a Republican government.
Bukkhockey
This is total idiocy. Republicans are different genders, race and income levels. You're ridiculous assumptions are just biased nonsense.
CyborgSpaceViking
Bukkhockey
Facts are tough for some people. You'll figure it out eventually
nihiltres
Push for ranked-choice voting and the abolition of the Electoral College. Those each would help undermine the two-party system.
CyborgSpaceViking
3Davideo
Exactly! Due to Duverger's Law, First Past The Post directly guarantees a two party system. RCV allows more than two parties to function.
bonly89
Winner take all states are the problem...not regional representation. Ranked voting would be nice...even at the electoral college level.
CoronalThoughtEjection
etherealAffairs
Ranked choice voting is nigh impossible. If your party has the majority needed to put it in place it can only harm them.
TrojanGiraffe
I honestly think this would all go away if we had a syst3m for holding candidates accountable for the promises they made.
StormBurnX
that "system" is deciding whether to re-elect them, essentially. You can promise all you like and get your 4 years of fame and power.
Snooj
We have ranked-choice voting in Maine right now. The last time I went to vote there was a table with anti-RCV literature on it. There 1-
Snooj
was no one at the table but I would have been really curious to see what points they could have made. 2-2
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Pretty good idea. But until that happens, vote for the guy you hate less.
TaintedBakLashh
Without the electoral colleges California and New York would choose every election. I'm not okay with that.
nihiltres
Without the electoral college states don't decide anything; *citizens* do. *With* it, it's PA, FL, & other swing states deciding elections.
3Davideo
CGP Grey has a video on this. https://youtu.be/7wC42HgLA4k?list=PL9936C719FF689E7D&t=197
romicra88
Problem is people in the big cities dont see it as a problem at all. They think they should decide everything no matter what
FartyMcDumpstein
No we don't. We think we should count as an equal human being under the law. My 2 siblings and I count as 1 person in Wyoming.
PlayingWithDynamite
You are equal, but the president is supposed to make decisions for everybody, not the majority and there's a subtle difference there
romicra88
How did you come to that considering the EC votes in Wyoming is 3?
romicra88
The EC is broke but not a bad thing. More stringent selection and not having all votes go to the majority per state would help. But not
keillrandor
The EC needs to be rebalanced - atm. it gives TOO much power to the minority populated states, but too much in the other direction...
JacobKnipper
Except the entire point of the electoral college was as a safety net, so that is a crazy candidate got too far, they could overrule the vote
JacobKnipper
And if they didn't overrule the vote for trump, they never will. Thus useless.
romicra88
Which is why I said EC votes should stay for who they voted for and not be shifted to the majority.
romicra88
having representation to rural areas is what would happen if you gave full decision making power to cities by having no EC.
LasciviousHedgehog
Bullshit. If you combined the entire populations of the 100 largest cities in the US you still wouldn't win the popular vote.
romicra88
Personally I dont think no EC would help. People still vote against people instead of for someone anyways
1metalnation
Thank you. People don't understand there isn't a uniform population density nationwide. Abolishing the EC means every single election 1/
1metalnation
Will always go the way of California and New York. There will be no voice for the rest of the country
ThePiedPiperofRuination
I keep hearing this point for keeping the EC, but I just don't get it. Why would abolishing EC reduce representation of rural areas?
ThePiedPiperofRuination
Wouldn't rural Americans and urban Americans get equal reprentation without the EC? I'd really like to know more about the debate.
thatguy10095
I really want to know what it would take to make this happen.
ZZTRaider
Ranked Choice Voting is a hard sell, but popular vote is feasible. Look up the "National Popular Vote Interstate Compact"
ZZTRaider
Essentially, if enough states get on board, we can have an effective popular vote even with the electoral college.
PutItInNeutral
Constitutional amendment passed by a supermajority of Congress and ratified by 75% of all state legislative bodies.
makeiteasykeepitsleazy
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation
thatguy10095
So not a chance at all really.
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
No chance at all. That is why I hate when people say shit like this. It's all lip service so they can feel enlightened.
nihiltres
Just 20 years ago we'd have said gay marriage had no chance; today, it's a reality. Keep fighting the good fight.
makeiteasykeepitsleazy
Huge fan of both those proposals but in the meantime I live in TN, there’s a snowball’s chance in hell its electoral college votes go to
orbitn
I live in TN as well. Did you know we don't have faithless elector laws? They can literally vote for whoever and face no penalty.
barbarian818
so the law there is like the Pirate Code? More guidelines than actual rules?
orbitn
you can check yours here. https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws
makeiteasykeepitsleazy
anyone but Trump so I feel like I can justify supporting a third party candidate to register support for other options.
DesyKat
Some truth there. There's still an argument to consolidate opposition votes under D, reducing an R win percentage. Do what you feel is right
romicra88
That's a flaw I see. When the ec votes turn the whole state blue or red. Every ec vote should go to the candidate chosen. Not shifted
CannabalisticSpaceRapArtist
thats a state choice. Easier to change government on a state level, than get enough states to ratify something on a national level..
RationalDiscourse
Same here (Memphis). I’m libertarian (for the most part, despite the national representation being a circus) so I lean right, but just can ¹
RationalDiscourse
Not justify, in any rational sense, voting for Trump. I went with Bill Weld (as he was the libertarian VP nominee in 2016) and, based on ²