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scooterinvegas
The comments are scary as hell. Some of you are positive you know what you're talking about.... you're wrong.
VagisilToothpaste
The guy who made minimum wage a thing in this country even said it's supposed to sustain a decent life. Not fucking scraping poverty.
blow14me
One bedrooms are now over 2K. That is right... 2K!
SoapDropper
7$!?!? What is going on over there. I made that at age 13. For a basic part time job in Denmark..
FabulousBadass
It varies by location too. I'd guess rent is not that high in Jacksonville.
FatChecker
This should be based on average state minimum wage for it to be a true comparison
thisisausernamelikeanyothersbutthisonesmellsweird
Wonder how many in jail right now from doing something illegal,desperate trying to get some cash to pay off something or sick related bills.
TriangleHeart
My grandpa picked pumpkins on a farm in the 1970s and made enough to buy his own house and two cars at an early age.
Darkspire
And your grandma polished cats. Their budget is 10 million dollars.
HonestCommentFarmer
Hang on, we have the perfect meme for this:
bane83
I love how the worse it gets everywhere the more likely we are to vote in the WORST people possible to address it. We're fucking idiots :-)
EveryoneWhoDisagreesWithMeIsLiterallyHitler
scroll of truth: a minimum wage job is not intended to be a lifelong career.
ADwarfInABadgerOnesie
Scroll of Truth: You can't prepare for a lifelong career if you have no money/housing or support.
marsgoose
Min wage just needs to be lower than what it costs to replace an employee with an ipad or a robot.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
That rent is basically my mortgage for a 2000 sq ft home
Idonotbelievewehavecompany
Used to be the only time I got a raise is when min wage was hiked up. It was $3.35 when I started working
manowar669
$1200/ mo for an apartment? My mortgage on 3/4 acre in the woods is <800
derschweiz
It’s as though different parts of the country have different costs of living...
buttbuttpartywagon
You could probably rent out to make a hobo shanty town, then you could make money on the land
derschweiz
It’s as though different parts of the country have different costs of living...
rollercostarican
My rent is $2150 for a 2BR. I pay 1,100, roomie pays 1050.
TechnicalDrift
In some places you can find an apartment that cheap, but expect to live in high crime rate areas.
jscuster
SkypeOfCthulhu
Let's play "Does Democrats or Republicans have power?" based on the years and this graph, shall we?
jscuster
Lowest years and highest years both Democrats. Republicans in the middle.
Dillonnnyousonofabitch
Lol now do just california
azazyel
Youhavinagiraffe
Also worth saying that raising the minimum wage helps people earning ABOVE minimum wage too by increasing the pay floor.
AmHumanNotLizardMan
And why shouldn't teenagers be paid fairly for their work anyway? College starts for many in their teens and many rely on that money to live
Tyco2
Its not so much teenagers as it is unskilled work. These aren't meant to be jobs to support a family on. They are for building skill.
Tyco2
But there are also a surplus of adults willing to do unskilled work. With more supply than demand business doesn't have to raise wages.
alwaysupvotefuturama
What? People think that?
pandro
People who went to college (by whatever means) view min wage jobs as temporary. A job like that was never in their future so the don't 1/
pandro
realize that for some people this is It. Not everyone is going to work a desk job for a corporation. More jobs are "service" jobs. /2
AnythingMuchShorter
It's definitely what stodgy old politicians who argue against raising it argue. "what? So some teen can buy more vidya games? Pshaw!"
bane83
Anyone who thinks that is beyond saving. The rest of us just have to hope they die off quickly.
mattsall
Why not vote for the people who say they will raise minimum wage?
3MsAndaJTL
Bc it would put people out of jobs? Corps don’t pay more to make less. They pay less to make more
notme222
Because cost of living is regional and there's no reason New York City and Pinedale, Wyoming should have the same minimum.
Raecracy123abc
Because people are idiots and regurgitate what Faux News tells them. The data absolutely says says raising the minimum wage does a shit
Raecracy123abc
ton but they're basically afraid of their ego and think if just one person gets a few extra cents added onto their wage (matching theirs)
Raecracy123abc
then they'll be just be as loser as that [fill in the blank of menial job] holder
anotherusernamed
IHeartKittyCats
Rent really is out of control, when i was looking years ago a mortgage was cheaper, with 4x the space.
aroberge91
I live in southern Maryland and I can’t even afford to live in the low income apartments. I still live with my mom, which sucks...
InsertNameHereIGuess
Where i live the max rent is bound by law. It will go up every year, but nothing like what's going on in the US. Last year i paid 0.5% more.
stxtfr
Taxes on a house in a decent area can be expensive. Ex paid $8k last year (San Antonio). Thankfully no HOA, but that’s also an added fee
levijom
Federal rent?
MakeMeADinnerSandwich
It means like National Average
iwenttofrontpageandallIgotwasthisstupidusername
I looked for this comment. There’s laws tied to minimum wage, there are none tied to rent price. Weird how little this is talked about here
Blastergv9
Stat rat here. I would like to know the median rent. Average is usually worthless.
boomfelazi
Precisely. Can’t compare upstate ny to San Francisco
ILoveMeAGoodTime
Also there are confounding variables (such as a 2008 housing market crash)
Maaster1
You and actually using stats vocab that you are supposed to know
battlepants
Also HEAVILY depends on where you live. Rent a place in a prime area, and yea, it's gonna cost more. In a less desirable area? Cheaper.
notme222
Meanwhile minimum wage also varies by location, but that is completely ignored by the above stat. Lesson not to get your facts from memes.
battlepants
The lesson I take from it is that broad averages taken over an entire nation are effectively meaningless. Specific location matters.
stxtfr
Some people say “move to cheaper place”, but as a gay Mexican American, I cant just “choose” to live in some cheaper areas. Safety first.
battlepants
Well, shitty people live in less desirable areas. Probably a core component of why the areas are less desirable.
boomtoughactintinactin
I live in a pretty okayish area and my 2br apt is $475. Mais, je vive en Alabama. Esta barato aqui.
MexImgurian
Okayish area here 2br 2ba, 2,700 a month. San Jose CA. Esta muy pinche caro aquí
boomtoughactintinactin
Fuuuuuuuuck. Condolences to your paycheck
cousteau
Isn't the median "an average", just like the mean? (In any case I wouldn't trust it either if I didn't see "median" explicitly mentioned)
cousteau
Also, maybe it should be the 1st or 5th percentile, so that you get a measure of "less than X% people can't afford it"
TheRealEngali
No, it’s a different measure of central tendency that is robust against outliers, which the mean isn’t. If distribution is normal, they are=
cousteau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average "…in colloquial usage any of [mean, median, and mode] might be called an average value."
cousteau
(so "average" refers often, but not always, to the arithmetic mean. Without any context I'd understand mean too.)
TheRealEngali
Yes, but I clearly wasn't giving a colloquial definition given the context of the conversation
cousteau
My point is, it's not even clear from the statement in the pic if they mean median or really mean mean.
DiarmuidRyan
Even in 2009 doing a 40 hour week worked out as $1160. So rent in 2008 was $886. Leaving $274 for the MONTH. $68.5 per week. Holy fuck.
whatthehell13
Yeah who knew minimum wage isn't there for you to thrive off of. Just abolish minimum wages altogether.
3141593653589793
Today you need to work 43h just to pay rent, luxury items like food takes a lot of overtime to get.
DiarmuidRyan
In Ireland it's €9.80 about $10.80 per hour. In a 4 person house share rent is about €250 p/p per month. (Not Dublin, could be €400)
notme222
You're comparing an average to a minimum which doesn't even apply in most places and surprised they don't correlate? Holy fuck indeed.
kingbudo101
$1160 before taxes
whatthehell13
If you make minimum wage you don't pay taxes because you're gonna get all of it back plus some when you file taxes.
lasertag2000
no one pays minimum wage here, gas station workers make $14 starting w/ benefits. that's what you get when you have high demand for /1
freshthrowaway1138
Where the heck do you live?
lasertag2000
workers but not enough in supply
Raecracy123abc
Yeah but those places usually don't have appropriate hosing either
ionizdgrunt
Or be like my state, where everyone is hiring, and everyone is looking, but they won't hire anyone without 10 years experience in 1\2
ionizdgrunt
In bullshit for a beginner job. 2\2
HeroinAndDogLover
My rent from $850 to 1100 so I just said fuck it and bought a house for a few hundred more a month.
somnif
I'm almost in that boat now, my problem is getting a down payment together.
HeroinAndDogLover
Yeah that part blows
TriggersDaD
USDA loan is better than fha if you have the credit and location.
mrmelancholy
Paying PMI is still better than getting nothing in return renting. 10% down will get you a decent rate, with good credit. Or go FHA (3.5%)
SephiRothIRA
Save up 20% otherwise you’ll piss away money on PMI and you’ll already piss hundreds in interest each month.
omh2
Bit of added frustration: In the late 1970s avg full time cashier made $5.32/h, accounting for inflation that would be $21/h now
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omh2
Nope, that was avg full time, avg head cashiers made a bit more at $5.78/h or $22.81in 2019 dollars. I linked my source
wjdzm
Is your argument that the cashiers should make 21/hr?
fartsaladsandwich
5.32/hr is total bs. A cashier in the 90s maybe. I was there.
omh2
Grats you made much less than cashiers did 10+ years earlier. I've sourced my evidence, even linked directly to the relevant page
IJustCantPick1
This can’t be right. I made $5.15 /hr as a cashier in 2003.
omh2
It is correct, I linked the source. Wages have dropped precipitously for many types of work since the 1970s.
NewCrobuzonCitizen
To be honest, your living conditions in those years were totally unprecedented and unrealistic for long therm.
omh2
No, they really were not. Productivity now is 2.5X higher, as in the value produced per-man-hour worked is 2.5X what it was. We have just
omh2
allowed this enormous increase in wealth to become horrendously concentrated instead of keeping wages inline with produced value
Amwaysalesdept
Bullshit. I was a cashier in 1993 and made 4.35 an hour.
omh2
Grats you made much less than cashiers did 15 years earlier. I've sourced my evidence, even linked directly to the relevant page
OmenJones
In 1993 I made $4.25 an hour as a full time cashier, and so did every other cashier I knew.
omh2
Yeah, wages have dropped *a lot*. That is exactly my point
cybermage256
Then why was I making $3.25 in 1990?
omh2
Because wages have dropped precipitously since the 1970s for many types of work. Average wages are largely propped up by horrendously high
omh2
individual incomes of a few thousand people in the US, made possible by massive tax policy changes in that time 91% marginal -> 37% marginal
WraithTDK
That wasn't minimum wage. The average minimum wage was - adjusted for inflation - $9.35. And that was during a huge, booming economy....
malexmatt
Late 70's was not a huge, booming economy.
pandro
Exactly. Double-digit inflation was raising prices, families suddenly needed 2 incomes. They raised the min wage to $3.32, lol.
WraithTDK
in our current, much weaker economy, I'd be down with raising the current MW to $9-$9.50, and then pegging it to the consumer price index...
BallsMcCracken
So our current economy is bad but the 70’s economy was good?? I just want to make sure I read that right.
WraithTDK
or something similar, so that it grows with inflation (with the understand that if the CPI goes down, MW still stays wherever it is)...
WraithTDK
but this $15/hr thing people are clamoring for is unreasonable.
stevencloser
People are asking for a big amount so they end up with an acceptable amount. If they asked for a reasonable amount, they'd get less.
omh2
Productivity is nearly 2.5X higher than it was in 1970, meaning that the value produced per-hour by the avg employee is 2.5X what it was
DaveSamsonite
Min wage was $3.40/hr in 1980 when I was a 30 hr/week cashier.
SidoniaFalls
Fuck with inflation I was making almost 20 an hour in 2000 cutting chickens
MickeyAndMallory
How? I made 4.15/hr in the late 90s as a cashier.
omh2
Wages have dropped precipitously since the 1970s for many types of work, and all wages have stagnated, barely keeping pace with inflation
Deadwake1979
Same...
slickshadow
1977 min wage 2.30/hr=9.93 today. So making more then double min wage (5.32) in 1977 would be 22.94 now. Who gets double min wage now?
WalterJKovacs
My zero experience employees make $12/hr to start. Supervisors at $21 and director at $35. Cost of living index is 89.
tzxAzrael
only the bosses.
kirmokum
pretty much anyone who does specialized work that requires years of training or education, unfortunately this doesn't include most educators
slickshadow
I am referring to a cashier that is referenced in this post. You all are comparing other fields of work to a cashier.
Askingforafriend37
Pretty much anyone who goes into a trade?
MagicSquid
Anyone with a CCNA. Seriously: Like computer networks? Get one. Earn $60k/yr.+
Gnaffdaz
Experienced tradesman; electricians, contractors, mechanics, etc.
Gnaffdaz
In fact I've only been working my trade for maybe 5 years and I earn in that ballpark
youtah
My neighbor bought the land and built their home in Sandy, UT in the late 70's for $27,000. Zillow puts it at currently $390,000.
eNtitude
My stpuncles mom built her house for 170.000 NOK back then and sold it now for a wooping 2.700.000 NOK. NOK to USD is like take away a zero.
chuckpalookanook
I bought my home in Holliday utah in 2012 for 202000. It recently appraised for 400000.
Monkeysboobsbutts
Our house (Nashville)went up over 100k in 6 years. Just put it towards another house.
JamesNasium
South Jordan, I still can't figure out how the housing market is what it is and where people in slc get their money?!
youtah
I honestly don't know what I would do not being a programmer
JamesNasium
I just look at all the million dollar houses along the mountains and don't understand how there are that many guess that's why I'm not in 1
ServerMonkeyKing
$390,000 - $27,000 = $363,000 .... 1970 to now is 50 years. $363,000 / 50 = $7,260 appreciation per year or $605 per month.
youtah
I just calculated my home in Lehi. In the last 6 years it's appreciated $2,222.22 per month! Holy $#@&
ToShellWithYou
The house I’m in went up $100k this year. I don’t own it of course. Can’t wait to get priced out once again.
zaconder
As someone who lives in Sandy this kinda hurts me. Apartment rent is 1900$/month.
youtah
I was paying $1200 a month, including pmi, interest and principal in 2005 in Sandy
wibblywobblytimeywimey
Our home in NC cost ~300K when we bought it 3 years ago. Now it’s valued at over $1M because our tiny town is growing at an insane rate.
euphoricopportunity
Hey, I just bought a house in Sandy two weeks ago. It hurts in the bank account.
youtah
This is sweet to find so many Utah peeps!
euphoricopportunity
I may start to think of myself as a Utahn eventually.
euphoricopportunity
Adjusting.
MickeyAndMallory
The value of my home in a Dallas suburb has almost doubled in the 5 years we’ve owned it. Wouldn’t have been able to afford it today.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I couldn't afford mine a year after we bought it. It went up $200k.
MickeyAndMallory
Same. We got ours at literally the time the area was affordable although we didn’t know it. Prop taxes are gonna force a sale within 5 yrs
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Really? How much are property taxes there? Where I live in Canada my house is valued well over a million but property taxes are about 8k.
youtah
My house (South of Salt Lake) has gone from $285k to $445k in the 6 years I've been here. I feel like there's another bubble coming.
MickeyAndMallory
Same. We’re being priced out of our own home with property taxes. Even with homestead cap we’re on track to be paying 10k a yr in 5 yrs. :(
MickeyAndMallory
Insane how you can never really own your own home. Even if paid off we’d be paying 1k a month between prop tax and insurance.
marshalindo878811
Too be far 21 an hour in Southern California is nothing literally nothing :(
omh2
$21 is based off the national average, if you were to look at high cost of living areas alone you would get a much higher number
OldGreyBeast
21/hr in AL will have you living like a king.
SaylorW
San Diego. I make 13$/hr and make it. Paycheck to paycheck with two roomates. But I make it.
jonbobonfofonanon
Supply/Demand of labor...people should move more often.
Zyrixion
If you aren't making enough money to live somewhere, you also, by definition, don't have the money to leave.
jonbobonfofonanon
Not true and short sighted. Moving is difficult, but staying put and expecting a negative situation turn itself around on its own is absurd.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Moving costs money though. People who are just scraping by can't afford to move.
jonbobonfofonanon
Yes, but the investment from the move can quickly be recaptured by better location with reasonable cost of living.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
If you have it to invest. People who are already struggling simply don't have it.
override367
thats actually not very far off from the median personal income from southern california so I dont think thats true
marshalindo878811
I’ve been living here for 12 years trust me
override367
No, because what you said is untrue, demonstrably, because 40% of the population in Socal isn't homeless. It's not enough to live on solo -
marshalindo878811
So tell me why am I poor?
override367
but it's not "literally nothing". Literally nothing would be no income.
omh2
Very few jobs actually paid min wage: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435051428126&view=1up&seq=114
Tiddlywanker
The minimum wage is the basis for our raises and where we start out untill a business owner can trust us
Zyrixion
I don't even know where to begin with all the shit wrong with what you said there. You drank the entire fucking punch bowl.
Tiddlywanker
You can't deny experience. Maybe you just don't understand what a lot of Americans deal with buddy. Middle to upper class huh? Nice.
xlogik
It's incredible how the excess of unskilled labour and the automation of unskilled jobs has obliterated wages
jonbobonfofonanon
Didn’t look at the link, but glad someone called this out.
sheslikeheroin
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njob3
How many are just slightly above min wage? My first job paid 7.50 which, while not minimum wage, wasnt materially too different.
WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyFox
Based on the source [minimum wage cited as $2.30 an hour, part-time cashiers avg'd $4.31], your wage would be $14.04.
omh2
Personal view is that anyone earning <$20k/year is at min wage, which is under some state mins, but seems reasonable for a national count
omh2
As a more general case anything within 20% of min wage is a min wage job, or at least based on it. Most jobs in the 70s were well above that
TrustMeIKnowALotAboutThis
That is quite the source find. 852 pages. Impressive.
omh2
They are published every few years, so you can get a fairly good picture of wage changes over time, so long as you are willing to read them
MrZev
I looked recently at retail jobs and couldn't find any. Most were 0.50 -2.00 higher and some with nice benefits like paying for college.
Zyrixion
Where the hell do you live? I've never seen one that wasn't minimum wage.
MrZev
Houston. One of the cheapest places to live too.
Zyrixion
Ahh. Yeah, it really is, have a friend down there.
AnimalGenetaliaAudioClues
Fucking brilliant. Source without being asking and the source is...intense.
kiara8942000
Which means no one will actually read to see if it supports the claim or not..
kiara8942000
Also... the very first page dates it to fucking 1978!
kiara8942000
How does that apply to now?
omh2
Linked directly to the page with the numbers used in my comment, best I can do for making it verifiable/usable
kiara8942000
I know... i just also know no one reads past the headline anymore. It's just frustrating....
jerner15
If you have to work 2 jobs & you can barely afford to feed yourself & house yourself with a crappy 1 bedroom apartment. Something is wrong
narwhaffle
I'm management, walk to work, and basically only have to pay for food on my days off. I still can't afford an apartment by myself.
kopack2
You're probably right. I payed attention in high school, got a job, worked hard, and now make 100k. No college. Must be the system is broken
PeteButtigieg
Haha this one “payed” attention in high school.
kopack2
I meant, payed attentshun. Sorry for the misspelling.
SardonicGrin
Time to learn some new skills or increase your current ones.
KWJester49
Kinda hard when you’re working 70-80 hours a week just to provide for your family, then spend your free time making food and sleeping
binicorn
But let's keep those politicians in office!!
Tidalis
The "Well it's not my politician it's yours." Shit needs top end.
triesbutfailstobewitty
Don't worry, the economy is doing great. The fed is printing $85billion a month and pumping it into wallstreet so the investors can maintain
marshalindo878811
Welcome to my world
Zigor22
Yeah, but it’s not always the fault of evil corporations. It can be people’s lifestyles, location of living, etc.
stxtfr
Damn that avocado toast, amirite??
scooterinvegas
You're right, something is wrong...but it's not with minimum wage.
pleaseuseotherdoor
The other day my 60yr old boss was saying how students should stop whining about having to work 3 jobs and go to school. "You're young!"
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
Pm that decrepit piece of shit's address. I'll glitter bomb that saggy excuse for a ball sack back into the 50s where he belongs.
Rapturesfall
Your boss can fuck right off, I only work one job and do school full time and still have a hard time
hungryh1ppo
Lazy people just want to coast through life with absolutely no improvement. They want everything spoon fed. Fucking pathetic
ACDNGUY
You clearly have zero concept of how many very hardworking college educated people are stuck working shit jobs. You’re a terrible person!
hungryh1ppo
What did they go to college for? What degrees?
Beartornado
Its not like historically disadvantaged people who were dismissed with ignorant statements put their oppressors in guillotines right?
ElynaerDeiros
ah yes, working 80 hours a week >Lazy.
hungryh1ppo
Then work smarter, grow yourself, and you wont have to slave away, you ignoramus.
ElynaerDeiros
like actually, fuck right off with this.
Predicto
How much money do you make being a full time Troll?
hungryh1ppo
Enough
SerenePrincess013
The number of people on this thread who have attacked you for having this view is gross. When did living vs surviving become so abhorrant?
irrelevantsentence
Never heard that word before.... abhorrent, I like that.
ShowMeThemCatsFella
Books are important my fellow internet goer
irrelevantsentence
So are your opinions ;)
ShowMeThemCatsFella
J really wish you wouldnt lie to me.
LullabyJones
Awww that’s sweet
SephReed
We can't afford to keep supporting the super rich. They need to start contributing to society and quick leeching off our tax money.
woodchucc3211
Average rent, so NYC is a part but they have a higher minimum wage, these “facts” are misleading what a surprise.
valdbagina69420
Not all places with higher rent have higher minimum wage lol
woodchucc3211
Most do, it paints a very misleading picture. NYC=$15 min so why include them in the rent but not the wage part?? Sloppy and lazy
MrZev
NYC min wage is also double the national at $15 an hour.
woodchucc3211
Since you idiots are downvoting me please know that 32 states have higher minimum wages than the fed does.
bthemills
Exactly as it should be. States SHOULD have their own minimum wage. In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to min wage being set by the county...
bthemills
After all, I live in a city about a tenth the size of a much larger city in the same state. Their cost of living is much higher than ours.
woodchucc3211
Agreed, NY had to separate the increases between NYC, Long Island and the rest of the state. The fed min is somewhat of a joke
NoJIMMIESWILLBEUNRUSTLED
You're living in the wrong state. 3 bed 2 bath house rents for about $600 a month around here.
MajMalfunction2
MexicanHandOff
Let me just pack up and move with all this extra money I have.
NoJIMMIESWILLBEUNRUSTLED
Alabama
HeartsStarsAndSouls
And uh, how's the education?? 'Cause last time I saw someone brag about that they ranked pretty low. Oh & Jobs?!
channelranger
Generally places with super low cost of living also have lower wages and a worse job market.
MagusUnion
Can confirm. Paying double what I used to pay in my hometown, but I make more living here. QoL is a give and take either way.
triesbutfailstobewitty
Reno is insane. The gigafactory is operating at 30% because they can't find employees. People can't move here because rent is so high. 1/
triesbutfailstobewitty
What's outside town? NOTHING!!! Fucking desert! Why will nobody build a home? Because they make more charging 75% more than what the home
triesbutfailstobewitty
Is worth for rent and keeping the market desperate. Plus the rich know the recession is coming and don't want to overextended.
ionizdgrunt
It may be cheap to live there, but are there jobs? How well do they pay?
woodchucc3211
All of NY and Cali have higher minimum wages along with other states. This post is shit
woodchucc3211
You people hate the truth, 32 states have higher min wages than the fed. You just upvote or downvote based on ideas not actual facts
KrombopulosMichael808
LOL we hate the truth while you purposely leave out how much higher the rents are in the areas you mentioned to pad your narrative
KWJester49
Are their minimum wages high enough that people are able to actually support themselves that live in those cities?
woodchucc3211
Yes, as determined by the political leaders of the areas in question and voted in by the local populace.
AdmiralTittySprinkles
Fuck no. I live in Cali and rent with roommates like everyone else I know because no one can afford to live in their own place.
LurkingTrout
Where?!!
NoJIMMIESWILLBEUNRUSTLED
Alabama
jerner15
Amwaysalesdept
Yeah, you need to learn a marketable skill that people are willing to pay for.
500HPS
People pay for McDonalds.
Sunmonster
People like you are literally the reason why this country's so fucked up at the moment.
Sunmonster
That's literally not an option for the majority of people and it's an incredibly stupid way to look at the problem
Mewmus
How is it not an option? Explain
Taxicat
Doesn’t help. So long as minimum wage is less than a livable wage, all wages across the board get dragged down because companies 1/
Taxicat
know they can essentially hold their workers hostage. Their workers can’t risk quitting a low-paying abusive job because they might 2/
Taxicat
not find something better quickly enough and they can’t survive by taking a temporary minimum wage job. So what motivation 3/
Taxicat
do those companies have to pay people what their skills, experience, and efforts are actually worth, when they can get away with 4/
ThatNoPicklePeeThatNoPumpARum
Too bad in a stable market it's literally impossible for every individual to have a marketable skill. Every position is important.
jkeeling
Perhaps true for some. But rarely will businesses pay you much more than minimum unless it requires a degree or experience. How do you cover
jkeeling
the bills during the time you spend earning that degree or developing the experience? My wife is doing her rotations for medical school. How
jkeeling
do you advise she covers that? Medical school usually requires relocation every 2 years. When we move, usually the market changes. I've
jkeeling
worked as a teacher, an RV technician/parts manager, oilfield engineer, and appliance repair specialist. Other than my time as a teacher,
Predicto
That's good advice for an individual but meaningless to the discussion. We need people doing thoseminimum wage jobs and they need to survive
triesbutfailstobewitty
Have bachelor's in software engineering 3.97gpa. work in Warehouse for $15/hr
Amwaysalesdept
The fact that young people find this statement controversial scares the shit out of me.
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
Otherwise you should die???
Amwaysalesdept
Capitalism is a cold mistress.
Mewmus
Very stupid response
Oteneo
otherwise you will have to depend on the government taking money to support you from the people that did learn a marketable skill
InTheDistanceAPlaintiveEnglishHorn
And??? Are you saying the right to survive is conditional?
Oteneo
what is this right to survive you speak of?
Sunmonster
If the minimum wage was livable the cost would be less. So your point is invalid.
Oteneo
its not even a point, its just what will happen given current conditions. don't confuse is and SHOULD
Oteneo
if my aunt had nuts...
anusBrokenInstructionsNotClear
Oooo I felt this right in the wallet
stevencloser
If you don't like that, you should fight for higher wages. Can't be against good wages AND against government assistance.
Amwaysalesdept
My job is hard and stressful and it was hard to learn. When I was young and scrubbing toilets, I did not bring the same value to a company.
Oteneo
ok, go on?
KWJester49
You should still be able to make enough to afford to live and provide for your family.
mushballs
Are you sure that having a clean and sanitary workplace is not something important ?
Amwaysalesdept
Janitor me and Engineer me should not be making the same money or anywhere close to the same money.
supernoid
Get a better job not designed for teenagers?
DangerousNoodle
Oh my god! Why haven't I though about that?! Too bad I don't have $20,000 saved to move to get a better job because I'm poor.
Sunmonster
What?! You've got to pull yourself up by your laces! I did and all I had was a new car my parents got me and a small loan. Your just lazy.
InsertNameHereIGuess
Yeah, just stop being poor.
Sunmonster
I'll be voting for Andrew Yang so that we can all stop being poor.
Retronyx
Judging by your history of comments, you like trolling.
LurkingTrout
Okay boomer
dracoblaze
Ok boomer
stonedintellectual
It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any /2
stonedintellectual
Right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all /3
stonedintellectual
workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the /4
stonedintellectual
wages of decent living. - Franklin Roosevelt's Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act June 16, 1933, paragraph 4
Amwaysalesdept
Truth hurts.. enjoy your downvotes.
Mewmus
People are booing you because youre right
Gvegasnachos
Used to think it was a starting point for kids. Then you get kids who dont start a job till after high school or even later. Its nuts.
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DangerousNoodle
I've been working since 14, finishing my Masters now. Only minimum wage jobs will hire or I can't afford to move to the better jobs!
Gvegasnachos
That's terrible. Have you tried a trade. What did you do while in school. Since 14 you must have tons of experience doing other
Gvegasnachos
Back in MY day....I shined shoes in Boston at 12. Which no1 did cause this isnt a movie. Charged 1$. People loved it, most tipped 1-4$
Gvegasnachos
Also made 5$/hr washing dishes & folding pizza boxes when I was 13. I made my own money. Bought the technadome, & Reebok pumps myself.
Knennen
Wonder how 12 year olds pretty much doing anything is received nowadays , people afraid of that kind of stuff now
Gvegasnachos
I know 2 kids. A babysitter who is certified. She's 14. Her older bro mowed laws from 12 to 17. Now he has a real job. That's it.