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I was out walking around my neighborhood when I decided it was hot and I got some slurpees from a 7/11 on my way home. Immediately when I walked outside a man noticed me (I'm a fairly small lady) and started hitting on me. He asked if those slurpees were for him and I gave a little laugh and said "No sorry." Him now keeping up with me asked if they were for my sisters and I said "No it's for my husband." He then said that I was lying and backed off. Now when I first looked at him I had this visceral gut reaction that something was wrong with him and he was dangerous. Glad to be rid of him I started walking home. Shortly after however he was back saying weird things like "she's a bitch". Getting a bad feeling again I texted my husband to come meet me outside a guy was following me. This man was holding an opened bottle of liquor and asking a ton of personal questions and other comments. Things like was I really married, I was really fine, I want to hang out with you sometime. I kept walking giving short, polite responses as I didn't want to risk making him mad. He keeps following me which is making me really scared at this point so I'm spam calling my husband with my phone to my side. I could tell he was getting angry as his tone and words were getting more irritated. He was now saying things like I'm not going to hurt you and let me walk closer to you, you look scared. My husband finally picks up his phone so I put it up to my ear and all I said was "I need you now" and he said "I know I'm already outside". At this point the guy crosses the street and my husband comes running around the corner from the street we live on. This guy is screaming curses at us now. My husband started escorting me home but he stopped. That man who was following me is now standing across the street staring at us. After a few seconds he ducks behind a car then peeks out. My husband didn't want that guy to watch us get into our house and know where we live. After a while the guy finally turns and walks away and my husband had us walk where a large truck was blocking us.
We got home and even though this man didn't attack me, we both felt severely sick afterwards. This happened in broad daylight, right next to an elementary school. Whenever I'm out now I keep looking around for this guy expecting him to be somewhere watching me.
*most viral edit. Wow thanks for the support! I posted this as a way to vent and didn't expect so much love. I'm definitely going to carry pepper spray from now on. And if that ever happens again I'll bee line for a populated area. Keep safe out there everyone!
*EDIT #2. I did it, I filed a police report. Hopefully this helps catch this creep or at least the police will keep an eye out for him.
kheltan
so enraging
cosinewave
Hopefully you filed a police report. That guy probably has committed prior assaults and should be reported.
dudethisbetternotbetaken
I've said this to many people and I'll say it again: Open palm so you don't break fingers and strike at the nose with the heel of your hand. Kick them in the groin and claw at their eyes. Fight like your life depends on it because if someone is making you feel unsafe and doesn't fuck off then it really does. There's no such thing as fighting dirty if your life depends on it.
Miller16of16
Call the police. Order a few cans of UDAP “jogger fogger”. It is about the strongest pepper spray in the business. If you think a person is about to unlawfully put their hands on you, blast em. Is also not a crime to produce it and keep walking, displaying it as a credible threat. I feel bad that this happened to you, my wife and I have had similar issues when we were younger. Just keep extra alert for a few…
annalessthan3
Tell the police. I had a very close encounter when I was younger and didn't want to make a big deal about it at the time. I wish I would have now.
VictusVonGuyver
I don't expect you to have a photo of the guy, but I wish you guys documented him. You could file a report and potential restraining order. It's possible that your wife is not the first to be stalked. His behavior suggests he's done this before and will again.
aap71
yeah, this isn't his first rodeo. tell the cops. get the store's security cam, tell the school security officer face to face right away.
Turbogoat
Note to guys: When speaking to women you don't know, don't say anything you wouldn't be comfortable hearing from a 350lb cellmate.
SharlayTheBarbarian
To those saying wow: this happens to women all the time. I've had to call a friend so I could be ready to yell details because a car followed me walking home in broad daylight. My friend got sucker punched for ignoring a catcall, I've had my ass grabbed on a crowded train and platform, and 'compliments' turn into threats real quick if you ignore them.
ThankYouForYourTime
I’m sorry this happened to you and I’m glad you’re both ok. It’s so good that you listened to your intuition and yours hubs helped you!
Fauxcused
Your husband did excellent husbanding.
MajinChaser
Get some pepper spray and if you can legally carry one, a pocket knife. I don't know your stance on firearms, but that's also an option.
xheartonfirex
Definitely call the police and give a full description of the guy. And then start carrying pepper spray like I do — spray the eyes, then when they open the mouth to tell, spray there. Then kick in the balls as hard as you can and run.
wlfman
Kudos to your husband for the heads up play of not going home immediately. And double kudos to you for having the presence of mind to contact him all while keeping the situation under control. I hope the police or the school are about to help resolve the situation.
Nalianna
Happens to a lot of people :(
Nalianna
I stopped a man from raping a lady ... between my car and my front door.
squintysourpuss
I hate that women have to feel they need protection while just out enjoying the day! I have recently started training at Gracie Jiu Jitsu, and it is a good feeling to have options if a situation like this comes up. It is not a guarantee, but it is great excersize and great possible actions to take!
flawzy
Exactly! I'm trying to exercise and be outside more. Can't I walk around outside without being hunted?!
deblou
I've had something almost identical to this happen (I'm not married though) and I've also been offered money to watch someone fap/have sex and I've also been flashed. All of this happened in broad daylight. I have so many more stories I could share. They have all frightened me into a constant state of paranoia and anxiety. I really am glad your husband was home and came out to help you. I'm glad you are physically safe. Give yourself time to process this. It's bloody scary 💜
SickSadWhirled
Describe the guy to a manager at the 7/11 if they know who he is they might have filed similar incident reports or have a photo of him for your report
pshelton44442
They have him on camera I'll bet
sjbrooksy7447
I'm sorry. I tell my wife to be a bitch from the start if a guy hits on her at the gas station and then go back inside the store and tell them to call the cops if the guy doesn't back off.
LootenetDan
Yeah, I'd probably jump to "Fuck off" as soon as he asked if the slurpees were for him, or straight up ignore him. And wait for help inside the store. Don't give him a chance to follow
astromoondoggie
As fucked up and scary and wrong as all that was (and my heart goes out to you - I would be freaked out enough having that happen to me as a big dude), when you got to the part about your husband running around the corner, my mind immediately went to
nodyourhead
here’s a gif one with plat plat sound
flawzy
Yes! He was zooming. Thanks for the laugh, I love frogs.
astromoondoggie
Well in that case…
jennym123
"I'm not going to hurt you" and other things stated by harmless, well meaning individuals /s
5knotcans
..So what happened to the slurpees?
Yupurineutah
Yes that's a good point I would have a hard time using a phone with plural slurpees in my 2 hands.
chuchuw
"My husband didn't want that guy to watch us get into our house and know where we live." YES! THIS!!
DidItForScience
Yeah, this is why even if you aren't a giant piece of shit like this guy, cat calling isn't cool. A lot of women deal with this shit. I've seen it myself just walking down the street.
KRicci
Also, honking at people walking beside the street. I won't walk to the grocery store anymore cause I hate creepy dudes honking at me
meganical
Welcome to the regular issues of being an attractive women. Somebody I spoke to for less than five minutes over seven years ago in a waiting room just contacted my cousin yesterday to see if she could get me in touch with him. Half of straight men are insane, I swear
meganical
Woman*
PrincessWasabi
Welll that’s insanely creepy !
TheChunguskaEvent
File a police report and inform the elementary school principal verbally with follow-up in writing
idrinkcheapbeer
Damn thats dark. (and likely accurate)
MinimumContributor
Had some women here do that recently and cops found him and found he was on probation for stalking next city over. So now they have proof he violated probation.
Whatdoyousaytoanicecupoftea
Also notify social services. The guy could need evaluation.
420username69
Fuck that.. Dude needs a bullet. Sorry not sorry.
v3rtabreaker
This. Every other response falls short. Get social services involved.
FoxyEllie
Social services probably better 'cause we don't want the guy dead
flawzy
Some of what he was saying wasn't making sense. And he was jittery/jumping around. Maybe social services could help him.
sehven
That's a very kind thought and I admire you for thinking it. Maybe they could and hopefully they will, but that is secondary to protecting yourself and anybody else he might harm.
Yupurineutah
The chances are extremely higher that hes a tweaker. A meth addict. But that if creep is around a school there needs to be an all points bulletin out to bring him in. Is he is dangerous. Don't give him the benefit of the doubt. Nothing can help him at this point but jail and forced treatment.
HEXtheDark
Before carrying a weapon or doing self defence classes and whatnot I read here, my tip would've been: Go where other people are. Into a store. A library or museum. To a crowded place. Something like that. And tell people there that you are followed and feel threatened.
Ihmislehma
It wasn't a serious situation, but got weirdly hit on by a guy, I slipped into the nearby flea market for a bit before heading home.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Even most elementary schools will let you in the front door and you can stand in the little office with the secretary until the cops come.
HEXtheDark
Honestly, I think this is true for most places. Probably even most homes will let you in if you look distraught enough.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
The only real problem with that is that there's no knowing if anyone is even home or not, and its better to get somewhere with other people.
flawzy
Yes. There's a bakery right next to that 7/11 that always has women working in it. He said if that ever happens again to go into the bakery. Don't try to make it home, get help.
allise
Similar escalation happened to me eating out by myself in the middle of a restaurant one time. The kitchen staff snuck me out the back. They knew this guy as a regular and let him stay.
titaniumsnail
That's kinda fucked up.
LootenetDan
That sucks they gave him special treatment but maybe it distracted him from pursuing you
dogboybastard
Ah, that battery charge brings back memories. Very similar thing happened to my wife about 20 some odd years ago. Only difference he was more aggressive and tried to grab her. I ran up and without word attacked the man. I beat the crap out of him and my wife had to tell me to stop. I was arrested and charged with battery. They dropped the charges so it never went anywhere. We never saw that man again. The violence I displayed scared my wife and that started my anger management classes.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Most people don't realize this, they think that if they assault someone, they'll go to prison. Nope, if the cops even show up at all, they'll take one look at the stalker person, and drop charges, and you'll be fine. You think these creeps can afford lawyers? Hell no.
Lovegold1100
They can. My stalker had a lawyer and walked out free after stalking me for 3 years. He will be back, but next time he will most likely go to jail- at least I hope so. Cops were helpful in my case, it was the judge that basically let him go.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
So, what you're saying is, the system failed and you should have just assaulted him?
Lovegold1100
Absolutely not. I don't believe in violence. I just wish he would be monitored by an ankle thether. I would feel safer and gotten a harsher sentence.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
It doesn't matter if you don't believe in violence. It will happen either way. Don't confuse being peaceful with being harmless.
happyrabbitzz
You still did the right thing.
PrincessWasabi
It’s either beat him before or after he does something awful to your wife. You did the right thing
skipweasel
Tell the police. II you (and others) don't then nothing will get done about it. If you and others do, then eventually a pattern will emerge.
netutoring
Depends where you live if I'd bother with the police or not. Anywhere that votes Trump, probably not.
morninggloryshade777
I spent most of my life in a blue state. 2 red states shirt term. The many, many differences are stark, chilling, disturbing.....
netutoring
Any that were most notable to you?
meauho
Sadly this will only create a paper trail for people to reference when they guy actually hurts someone; like the guy in TX who executed a family who asked him to quit shooting in the air at 1am & cops had ignored dozens of complaints about the illegal activity
morninggloryshade777
That paper trail can prove useful in court....
vwzzjxv6f9101
Never involve the police they only make things worse. ACAB
craque
I've seen too many videos where the victim calls the police and the police kick the shit out of the victim, arrest them, shoot them, rape them, etc. Honestly your police forces are fucking stupid. Do what you can to protect yourself.
doctorwut02
Assuming the guy's now an off-duty cop himself...or has 'friends on the force'.
TrinDiesel
Speaking from experience, the police won't do shit. When I had something similar happen they literally told me NOT to file a restraining order because then **" I "** could get in trouble too if I'm ever close to him, or if an altercation occurs. Police are worthless.
morninggloryshade777
Restraining orders font prevent stalking or whatever, but if one's in place that means the perp was warned officially and that can drive more serious charges & jail time, etc.
TrinDiesel
great, tell the police that then.
AuntieCoddswaddle
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leftfoottwitchin
That's a great way to get yourself beaten to death or killed. If the lady you do this to has a husband, boyfriend, or father that is protective you may just eat a bullet. I'm very protective of the women in my life from my wife, daughter in law, sisters, etc and have literally beaten a man down for following my wife around a mall and out to our car where I was. Then I called the cops and told them I was simply protecting my wife. He got charged and I went home with my wife.
amb1021
If I raised a son like that I'd puke every day.
AuntieCoddswaddle
Dear men who are told by the women in your lives that they've felt threatened: stop defending these creeps. You don't even know them. You know the women. Do better.
Kalthramis
While I agree, I worked at a gas station in a bad town for a few years. Cops don't care. They never show up, and when they do, it's never to help.
TattoosAndTENS
Cool, they'll know who was responsible for the 27 serial murders then
Cats2cats
Also notify corporate for the store.
HootSloot
That's more likely to get a police response than you calling the police.
somerandomusernamething
Yay capitalism!
Sensiblyinteresting
Calling the policy in America will likely result in them coming to the house for a report and shooting your dog. Steer clear
Snooj
Exactly this. He's going to make a headline sooner or later.
AllisDashChalmersWasAnInsideJob
The police?! She is a person, not some rich assholes property. Police aren't going to do shit.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
You'd think that, but I reported something similar once and while the cops were polite and professional I really got the impression that no, they don't keep track of these instances and put patterns together. There wasn't even a form to fill out or anything. They seemed so confused about why I would be reporting it if they couldn't immediately track the guy down.
drizztx
They don't even solve *murders* anymore. They're not about to bother investigating "harassment." Sigh.
RecurringNightmare
indeed...i have issues with a neighbour...every time i call the cops two new morons show up who think this is a new one-time issue...every time i tell them its a recurring issue and they shall finally fucken do their fucken jobs...nope...best case he gets another verbal warning...worst case they threaten me...you would think they write reports and eventually someone connects the dots, but nope...fucken imcompetent bastards...
strangelyaddicting
This is the sad truth. Source: I've been working with forensic teams for most 20 years... They're not smart enough to put together a pattern and they don't have the AI to do it for them. They're fucking idiots and they will file a report and it'll go in a virtual "drawer" and never be seen again. Til he kills someone and then "there were nine complaints against the murderer... Why wasn't he apprehended?" bullshit happens...
morninggloryshade777
Seriously??? We need to publicize these areas!
iguessihaveto
It's everywhere in the US that has a property tax lower than a year's rent. Cops are spectacularly lazy about paperwork if they can't solve your problem before it's filled out. I've seen them refuse to make reports about deliberate property damage when the person who did it left, decline to help when someone's car broke down in the middle of a busy intersection even though they were right there, refuse to send anyone for a domestic even though I could hear them beating the shit out of each other
iguessihaveto
and just generally reply "that sounds like a you problem." Every third true crime story/report starts with cops not giving a fuck that someone was missing/scared/having a health crisis. If there is no one present to bully, they probably can't be arsed.
meauho
The guy who massacred the family in Texas had dozens of police complaints about illegally firing into the air at all hours of the day & night and all the cops ever did was drive out, tell him to take the night off from trying to kill the moon, and drive off.
GorillaPowers
Lol the police won't do a goddamn thing. They are in no way preventative
morninggloryshade777
Where do u all live? I spent most of my life in a blue state & that is not my experience. Tho truthfully I had little contact w local police over the years. But their response to others was as it sb....
TrinDiesel
Boston, MA is a pretty blue area and I can confirm police were worthless for me when this kind of shit happened.
xj4low
Red state here. Same red state where a guy gunned down his neighbors. Same state as murders at a grocery store. Same state that had 19 children killed in an elementary school. Know what has been done since all these? Not a damn thing.
phoenixandfreddy
That's my experience too. They wait until there's a crimescene yuck
TheNLK
That's nothing to do with the police generally. More to do with not being able to arrest people that haven't committed a crime yet. As unfortunate as that is, the alternative would be fucked up like the minority report. Plenty of police however are incompetent as fuck at investigating things that HAVE happened.
magicrhombus
Even if there is a crime, often all they do is file the paperwork then proceed to do nothing.
phoenixandfreddy
Too true... I have unfortunately had that experience as well
wargames
police will still do nothing, maybe shoot one of your neighbors dog, police only react when crime is commits and don't prevent it.
rowm
Bruh not every single cop is a dog murdering psychopath who ignores everything actual crime, you watch too much news
Alfadorfox
That might be true, but is it worth the risk?
Vallete
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Supreme%20Court%20has,boy%20from%20his%20abusive%20father.
chaosbuni
As a victim of multiple crimes and cops did nothing to help me, acab. They either are actively toxic, or they participate in a toxic system. There is no in-between anymore.
chaosbuni
I say this as a gang sexual assault victim who is transgender and when I went to the police who were within earshot for help after, they threatened to arrest me for prostitution. ACAB.
AllMyOpinionSuck
Even if they do want to help which some do. Not much to go on. Still worth reporting in case he escalates shows the guy has a history
HootSloot
My brother called the cops on a sketchy guy snooping around a neighbors house, gave a description. Cops show up, the described sketchy guy says my brother is the sketchy guy and he has to convince them otherwise. Eventually the cops tell the sketchy guy to leave and then leave themselves. Next day brother talks to the neighbor, the guy has been stalking her and she's reported it before.
HootSloot
At best they are bad at their jobs. Go ahead and file a report but don't expect anything to come of it.
ouroborus777
ACAB
Malibloo
AACAB, keep your messed up standards in your own great country, kthx.
GorillaPowers
Not ever single one. Just like 90% of them
Duskz
Documentation is still documentation and can help identify repeat offenders. Don't be an idiot, you're literally giving out bad advice to push a narrative. Satirical or not.
xj4low
I got hit by a hit and run driver while bike commuting. After waiting over a hour for a cop, he refused to make a report.
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abion47
As unhelpful as that guy was, they were right about one thing. Police can't do anything unless an actual crime was committed. They aren't even necessarily obligated to document the incident, especially if OP doesn't have anything specific to tell them about who that man was. Contacting the police and reporting it is a good idea, but let's also temper our expectations a bit. (And pointing out that it's ensuring a paper trail in the event of a double murder isn't exactly reassuring.)
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morninggloryshade777
Carry mace. And if the children r ever mentioned call 9-1-1 so the police can tell the school to lock down til the perp is apprehended.
Cats2cats
Most states are anti mace. The recommendation is wasp spray for a go around. The attacker will need to seek an ER.
n0n53n53
+this is 100% false
Cats2cats
Ok mace vs pepper spray, %of capsicum in spray content. However city/town/county & state laws vary. Bear spray may be permitted in hunting areas but not highly populated areas. At least 25 states have specific regulations.
n0n53n53
Having bear spray is stupid unless you're around a bear. It's not as potent as regular pepper spray, it just has a longer range. It's meant to scare a bear away not render it incapable of seeing and breathing like pepper spray is.
jridley
If it's legal. Some states don't allow it. Same with shock devices.
jridley
CORRECTION allowed in all 50 states though there are restrictions in some states. Shock devices are restricted - for instance here in Michigan I can't even buy one to be shipped to me.
morninggloryshade777
Pepper spray us allowed to be used in 50 states if ur -18 yrs of age or older-. I looked it up. It included a map & all were filled in, as well as the wordafe above.
morninggloryshade777
Red states?
MeestowKitty
Ironically, no. It's my biggest gripe that blue states aren't just anti-gun, they seem to be anti-self defense. You have to try running away, often a tactical blunder since it tires you and if they catch you you're now further from help and have less stamina. You can't escalate, so if they try to punch you and you beat them senseless, or grab a knife, they're now the victim. Meanwhile, a lot of them don't allow mace over a certain size, batons, tasers, knives, etc. It's messed up.
CorrectMostOfTheTime
First ive heard of something like this
iguessihaveto
When I was a security guard, one of the guys in the plant with access to the laser cutter made thick rectangular aluminum keychains with our names on them for me and the other girl who did solo nightshifts because he didn't like that there was a college girl working the truck checkpoints alone every night. He handed us each a pair of them and said if anyone ever forced their way in the shack, the corners are strong enough. Aim for the jugular. I still have them on my keys 15yrs later.
n0n53n53
what blue state doesn't allow pepper spray ?
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I'm done expecting the police to help. I think I'd put my bag down, take out the heaviest object and swing at him with it while screaming. Or dump my drink on him. If these people don't have anybody stand up to them, they'll keep doing this shit. (I don't blame you at all though, not everybody feels like they are physically big enough to do this. I'm 5'9", over 200lbs lady in sneakers.) Bullies don't stop until they're MADE to stop. He only stopped because your husband showed up.
Purresteddevelopment
I get where you are coming from but you roll the dice between this scaring the asshole off or them escalating the physical confrontation.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
You're risking the asshole escalating the situation either way. At least confronting them has a chance of stopping it. Horrible people don't stop their bad behavior because they succeeded in making someone scared of them-- that's a win for them! That's what they want. They stop when they are made to stop.
somechick
This. I've been through this situation many times and the police proved over and over how shitty they are by not doing anything. I had an officer laugh at me and say, "Ya know ma'am, we dont take these calls seriously." Fuck the police. Protect yourself. Carry a tazer and pepper spray.
Ilovehavingfreehealthcare
So you have the right to judge someone's crimes, sentence them and carry it out yourself? You dont get to just attack people because you dont like what they are doing all your plan is going to do is get you arrested for assault(probably unprovoked assault). OP should have called the police immediately, state her location and have an audible conversation with the police. He would likley leave and if not the police now have a face to the complaint so if he comes back harrassment can be pressed.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
LOL Your first sentence is such a wildly inaccurate take on this, that I didn't bother reading further.
Muffyns
Yeh good idea call the pilice infront of somebody who will likely stab and rape you in a bush before the pilice even know your location or thinks its worth theor time to even go there
Ilovehavingfreehealthcare
Well... I mean yeah that sounds like a very good idea. I'm also realizing I'm not in the USA and trust the local police in canada
kheftel
Lucky...
Spidermonkey969696
I'm pretty sure canada has laws against verbal assault/threats, verbal sexual harassment and stalking, all of which this guy did already, so hopefully it would lean more towards self defense than assault if she had protected herself with violence. There's also plenty of corruption in Candian police too, though not all are corrupt, the system has accountability issues just like American cops.
MagnorCriol
Absolutely, I agree that it's largely pointless to hope that they'll actually do anything. However. Reporting is still important, because it can create a paper trail. If this guy DID get caught later for something, having a written record of things that can be pointed to by the cops and/or prosecution in a trial could make the difference between outcomes.
AliceAndRabbit
Exactly this. Thank you.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
A paper trail is literally just someone writing things down. I can do that too, but I'm not holding my breath anything will change much.
MagnorCriol
Someone writing things down *and filing them in an official place*. You can write things down all you want but the point here is that a file gets made on the guy & it's stored in official records. Again, don't get me wrong, I 100% share your cynicism about how unlikely it is for anything to be done, but a paper trail makes it possible / easier for the right things to happen in the unlikely event anything IS done.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
Sure, get a paper trail! I just don't have any faith whatsoever in a cop believing me (I'm not a white male). File that paperwork all day long. But don't expect anything to come of it, because it won't.
SmilinSloth
Murderers, kidnappers and rapists love it when you put your bag down and try to fight. You grab your heaviest object and they use the shark pokey blade in the pocket or a gun. Just run, call police and hunker down somewhere safe preferably with trusted people of you could let the next Boston strangler walk around and attempt it again on someone
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I disagree completely with your first premise. No, they don't love it-- no one wants to get wrecked. They want to have power over you, or they want to take your $, that's it. They are high school bullies that just got older and didn't grow up. They are thinking about what they want from the other person, and the feeling of power they get from harassing them. All it would take is one person to stop them. I'm not saying everyone can do this, but if I can fight back, I'm going to.
SmilinSloth
Okay they may not love it but you ain't wrecking shit, you seem to think you will over powering them and screaming always works. Murderers don't care what you do and thieves if you drop your bag it's easier to snatch. If I was a murderer and you did that I would be like "this is gonna be easy". Not everybody is driving by bullying. If I'm high on crack and need money it has nothing to do with bullying
SmilinSloth
If I hate humanity and want to hurt them you think stopping will stop me from wanting to kill someone. I will give you rapists but this bully belief is so stupid. You're acting like they're serial killers and require a pattern.
SmilinSloth
Then the fact that size means nothing in this day and age. One well placed shot or stabbing them right will end the life quicker than you can retaliate. Like the mall fight video you can find he got in a fight, guy poked him in the neck and the guy bled out. No size matters
ThrowAwayAcct0000
AGAIN, I only advocate this for people that are physically able to. But they will not stop on their own. The must be forced to stop. I'm not giving a perfect solution that works 100% of the time, and to be honest, a solution doesn't have to work 100% of the time for it to be effective. How do you know how murderers think, anyway? You seem to be speaking for them a lot.