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Using augmented reality to visualize underground utilities
Apr 10, 2018 4:43 AM
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twinrider1
Couple of cans of spray paint are a lot cheaper.
Johnkills
Cities skyline duh!!
dontlikeolives
Imagine the utilities.
HereCometheBeats
XeraKing
Nubasaur
as someone who works with utilities i find this fucking cute.. look how square everything is..
malix82
when the AR flips out
marchingFishes
This makes me happy
FromTheBeyond
Cool!
BoomDynOmite
Actually working on this right now. Hardware/positioning software is getting better. Now it’s all about optimization and ease of access. 1
BoomDynOmite
Think of GPS. You don’t travel to your destination and look at every road in the system, just your route. That’s what we’re building. 2
fredlllll
as someone who does AR im wondering how this is tracking the surroundings. gps is way to jumpy and inaccurate (at least consumer devices).
Contundo
Consumer GPS is intentionally inaccurate. GPS with signals from land and satellite is accurate to a couple of centimeters.
Fivemachinesinjapanese
It's like Sim City but in real city.
kuba913
Did he commit a genocide?
Theodrian
RealCity 2000
mkyner
So... City?
drgonzo180550
Perfect answer.
drgonzo180550
Still laughing.
2koopas1up
811 paint on the ground or GTFO
ithoughtitwasaboogerbutitsnot
Look there’s a pipe, And a car hit me and I dead.
MadMrWilson
Press and hold "A" to lay the green pipes. Hold "X" for blue.
IMadeThisSoICanSaveFavorites
Fuck now I want to play ss13
cuddlydingo
Screw utility workers only, this shit would be dope AF for regular civvies
Sephitian
If the system was hooked up to some hardware that sent some vibrations through the ground the readings may be more accurate.
LordDoa
This is flipping awesome! If I were a super rich dude I'd figure out a way to make this happen everywhere.
IdleNarrator
Do the pipes have some kinds of locators on them, or is this just a pretty animation?
NZSheeps
It's using the location data (from plans/GIS) to overlay a visualisation of the pipes.
IdleNarrator
I probably should have figured that one out myself, thanks :)
i336
It still needs to know where it is in space (high-accuracy GPS) and then get even more precise so it can actually _track_ you moving around
MrBenOG
real life sim city
Skizmo
That's the first thing I see that AR is good for.
quantumofjoshua
Aaaaaand struck by a car.
Flamesonthesideofmyface
I work in training for a natural gas company, and I'm on a team for AR/VR utilization. It's a great way to put employees in situations that
Flamesonthesideofmyface
Would be too dangerous to try to mimic otherwise. A+
nanyatenyaa
Ah yes they need this thing that costs thousands of dollars to replace a can of fucking paint that costs 2.
FrustratedBluffing
This lets you be sure you put the paint in the right place.
nanyatenyaa
With what point of reference? It doesnt magically know where things are, it's going to need to be told.
i336
I'm guessing high-accuracy GPS (expensive but exists). Practically speaking, you're right; perfect spatial tracking isn't there yet
Order66wasAninsideJob
GPS? I don't know about where you live but anywhere I've seen them mark out lines they have to survey for them. They don't have gps coords.
FrustratedBluffing
Water companies in the UK have dowsing rods in their vans sometimes....
VenDei
There are 2 reasons this isn't used more: accuracy of location and accuracy of documentation.
bah264
I think people just used to scribble on paper and hope for the best back in the day..
haunter64
It shouldnt be difficult to use a portable scanner to pinpoint everything from the start
TheMayo16
This is easy enough to do, just take scans with a drone before the trenches are filled in
bantambasher135
My friend is working on something like this and that's exactly what I told him. Human laziness will always win.
Yosser
But the screen said the gas main was 2feet away!
irishmexicanpride1
And then they get sued for whatever gets hit...
NZSheeps
^ This. People tend to believe what they see, even if it's not right.
i336
Very true! I read a story about this recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16757343 (the top comment nicely TL;DRs my point)
imjusthereforthepuppys
Creating a database of drawings is cheaper
irishmexicanpride1
Most do but old maps put to new systems = errors
BiliboyJenkins
Where I work has water lines put in in '64, and the maps are all wrong. Boss has to locate everything by witchin' it.
BiliboyJenkins
I'm sceptical but it seems to work for him /shrug.
gimking
He has the real plans at home.
khora
We’ll get there.
WilliamPicker
In montreal this will be a mess. We need to be better so people will be able to use the documentation to use this tool. So nice
SGSchlaghund
most lines have electronicLeeds or a wire running with them so you can use a electronic pulse and sensor, then spray paint out the line that
SGSchlaghund
you pick up on the transmit/receive device mark it out and before you dig / do operations around near the services you know where it is.
SGSchlaghund
this would make life extra easy though , i worked Horizontal drilling.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
I work in the industry, the worse is the utility don't want to pay to have accurate CAD/GIS info of their network
shadow351
Documentation is the biggest issue. Our neighbor called before digging in his field, he hit a fiber bundle, phone co was pissed 1/2
shadow351
2/2 until he pointed out their marking flags about 200 yards north of where he was digging.
jetah
wow and ouch.
articsunrise
and in Europe there's going to be a few hundred years worth of pipes, tunnels and ruins that no one knows about
Tissueaccount
Anyone who's ever asked installers for as-built markups knows it always goes in ass designed
Tissueaccount
As Designed... Either way.
akducks2
Of course as designed, then you look at photos of construction!
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Nubasaur
its not hard to locate within a foot tolerance
BiliboyJenkins
My boss can do it with two copper wires. I can only do it with metal pipes and an expensive locater.
nelsywoo
Im 100% accurate with a crowbar.
BiliboyJenkins
Unfortunately many of our lines are pvc and were put in with no documentation about 30 years ago.
Nubasaur
ive gone through plenty of unlocatable sewers. good times.
yesiamawizzard
More likely "what documentation"
agermanguy
Not here . we document everything, EVERYTHING I TELL YA! Http://i.imgur.com/XZHgsjt.png
TheBlueMuppet
Looking at the layout for our house, the land divisions look like they were made before the city was. Its weird.
Laaub
That's probably not too far from the truth depending on where you live.
TheBlueMuppet
Houston, and it was built in 1983, so no...but part of our land is on the neighbors driveway, but like an angled sliver.
OtterlyMagnificent
That is why at my job we have 3 sets of prints: As drafted, Fit to Site, and As-Built. None of them match. We use the As-built.
badmusicpuns
If they build from now on with some sort of pin point tech, you think that's possible?
JustDontCare
Pinpoint tech as in replacing most humans with computers and auto gps/mapped location tech? Sure.
badmusicpuns
No, i mean, while putting the pipes, also add some sort of antenna that transmits a signal to a device with this software
Lagunitas707
We had to stop calling them as-builts, and started calling them record drawings. because of shitty contractors and lying.
Itryedmybest
a company like Autodesk should be leading R&D on this and if their not they will be falling from the top, wish I had this for my job :/
aPokal
https://www.autodesk.com/search?sn=en_US&qt=AR&p=0
papacheetah
Autodesk is too busy doing annual cosmetic updates and charging through the ass for subscriptions to AutoCAD
Ryagon
Didn't ACAD 2018 just update some PDF stuff and minor bugs and that's it for the full subscription cost?
nicholasagream
Change log: updated logo, complicated a previously simple operation... New subscription price up 10%
ElectricFrancesca
Animator here; £210 a month for Maya, the piece of shit that just keeps on giving...
marchingFishes
Fucking right? Plus they're kneecapping MotionBuilder more and more with each release, the absolute bastards.
TheRealFlonsen
I actually Work in this field. I mostly Plan ventilation and this would be Great to See if there are any collisions with other piping
Contrafibularities
Same field. We've been seeing a vive up to work with navisworks, I'm excited to use it.
Laaub
There's a way to do something similar with Revit now as well.
Contrafibularities
They've been trying to get it to interface, but I.T. says that it currently cannot be done. Sounds like they havent looked enough into it
schleimkeim
Lol autodesk.
mkyner
I think the example here is from ESRI, the guys who make ArcGIS.
RepostFromLastWeek
If you're not sure, where'd you get the video from? As ESRI's own channel has this one : https://youtu.be/86UQ0i5MPOA
Hammertulski
RealWear should jump in on the concept - seems like a good fit.
FallicFever
Autodesk and ESRI recently started a strategic partnership :-)
Theodrian
Still uses Excel 97 for imported tables. I wonder what critical errors or bloatware they will hide in their AR.
Thepurpleelephant3
It was a NJ utility, https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/publications/wherenext/nj-utility-on-forefront-with-new-mixed-reality-application/
dullguava
Never heard of Autodesk in my life. I leave Imgur, boot up GTA V...and suddenly I see it written within seconds of booting up the game.
GoliathSkittles
Autodesk make a lot of different programs, the one that is credited in most games is probably Maya (a 3D modeling program) Itrymybest >
GoliathSkittles
< brought them up here because they also make programs like AutoCAD and Revit which are used for construction drawings and models.
GoliathSkittles
Also I think an AR/VR plugin for Revit would be fucking amazing, imagine making a model for a house and then being able to walk around it >
GoliathSkittles
< on site before it's built, seeing how all the rooms flow and such.
bdubs520
This is possible in Infraworks. They have an AR capability from the iOS app side of the product. I think that's what this is.
bdubs520
The biggest problem is you have to have accurate documentation of what's there before it goes I to a model, which is lacking in many cases.
theBannedBandit
I'm still amazed that AR and VR isn't more popular. I think people are just kind of dumb..
furriephillips
I think VR is gimmicky & a silly dream. I feel like AR has the ability to keep us grounded in our reality, while making it better...
furriephillips
Shit - I just described Augmented.
yzark01
its way too expensive and too much a hassle for what it is. bssides there arent really any good games for it so atm its more of a gimmick.
WoodyAllen69
NotGarrusVakarian
Exactly, its simply not affordable, and not very practical yet, not to mention there arent that many great games for it yet.
eggmuffin
Even high-end VR isn't really usable yet, and it costs more than it's worth at any tier.
Fatbird
Because they're both so unbelievably complicated that getting anything truly useful out of them is going to take much more R&D.
DocVolt
I have a lazy eye and I am photophobic. VR makes my nose bleed
Kargathia
They both still have a long way to go before they're practical. There's a massive gulf between "tech demo", and "works in RL"
fathernik
The problem is that most modern computers are unable to draw high enough frame rate for VR and that causes the motion sickness. 60fps min
ChlorideCull
60 isn't enough, most need 90 FPS, but it entirely depends on your physiology.
theBannedBandit
I rode a rollercoaster in a Brookstone. I didn't get sick. I'm lucky!
yzark01
great, now try playing something like fallout where youre not stood still and moving without moving irl. motion sickness city
imgurmage
There's just nothing that I've seen so far that interests me in VR/AR. I've tried it several times with several devices...meh.
GlitterInTheDarkNearTheTannhauserGate
Hololens is $3k, which is apparently a game changer cos it's 10x cheaper than what's out there so far
Lavie154
That’s top-end AR/VR, the Vive Pro Vr headset is only $1000 or so all included (you need a good PC though)
Lavie154
Oculus rift was like $400 for a while too
GlitterInTheDarkNearTheTannhauserGate
Yea I was only talking AR. Hololens can be used in VR mode but it's not great tbh.
Houseckat
VR causes motion sickness in a significant portion of the population, but I agree with you regarding enhanced reality systems
furriephillips
I get motion sickness when I use the treadmill.
mavi222
It causes motion sickness mostly because of the bad games(ones that move camera without your interaction)The room scale VR is another level
ChlorideCull
There's a lot more to it than that, refresh rates, processing delays, hell, even sex seem to affect it.
TheDrunkChicken
Yeah I find locomotion as opposed to teleporting causes a lot of MS, but you do get used to it. Just play it in short bursts.
theBannedBandit
Weaklings.
KanyeWesticularCancer
My view is we will never have mainstream VR until we develop the technology to integrate it into our brains directly.
LethalSalad
I feel like a lot of people won't trust something like that. What if the game crashes/the machine breaks and you can't log out, for example?
kuba913
SAO?
ChlorideCull
VR sickness isn't that investigated yet, but amusingly, it seems putting a static frame of reference like a virtual nose reduces it.
TheDrunkChicken
It's been pretty well researched as it's very similar to sea sickness. The disconnect between seeing and feeling causes the sickness.
ChlorideCull
That's what's usually parroted on the internet, but it isn't. If it was, we wouldn't have studies that show sensory conflict w/o sickness
ChlorideCull
Source: DOI 10.1037/0096-1523.18.3.624
CloseupCaptionReaction
Friend of mine bought move controllers to the psvr and ever since never had any MS. Maybe it's all about the hardware / software solutions.
TheDrunkChicken
I don't experience sickness, but the disconnect between what you're seeing and what you're feeling is trippy. For instance if you walk 1/
TheDrunkChicken
up a slope your legs go all wobbly because your brain is telling you that you're moving up a slope but your legs are like 'nuh uh'. 2/2
TheZompocalypse
That's good his multiple sclerosis cleared up...
TheDrunkChicken
Haha was gonna say, I have heard great things about VR and physical rehabilitation but MS?
CloseupCaptionReaction
Mentions sickness
Houseckat
It really comes down to the individual and their own particular wiring and tolerances. Motion controls make my motion sickness even worse.
CloseupCaptionReaction
I wouldn't sign that, die to your brain "seeing" hands which move as the brain would expect. Normally it's because movement being asynchron.